Silk Road forums
Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: DownSouth on May 04, 2013, 03:23 pm
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I have been reading, along with experiencing, about the several issues with SR. Such as, difficulties logging on, long delays in receiving orders, and funds floating around in bitcoin land. I'm not sure what good this is doing anyone. Buyers or Sellers.
Maybe it's time to take SR down. Rebuild. And come back stronger than ever ???
I would really hate to see SR go out with a bad rep !!!
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I have been reading, along with experiencing, about the several issues with SR. Such as, difficulties logging on, long delays in receiving orders, and funds floating around in bitcoin land. I'm not sure what good this is doing anyone. Buyers or Sellers.
Maybe it's time to take SR down. Rebuild. And come back stronger than ever ???
I would really hate to see SR go out with a bad rep !!!
Silk Road is an onion site that boasts 97%+ uptime; I think the suggestion to take Silk Road down and rebuild it is, at this point, very premature.
Libertas
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plus....the DDOS attacks will go on
Lets hope there will be a good solution soon....we all need it bad but....it will take time.
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I have been reading, along with experiencing, about the several issues with SR. Such as, difficulties logging on, long delays in receiving orders, and funds floating around in bitcoin land. I'm not sure what good this is doing anyone. Buyers or Sellers.
Maybe it's time to take SR down. Rebuild. And come back stronger than ever ???
I would really hate to see SR go out with a bad rep !!!
Silk Road is an onion site that boasts 97%+ uptime; I think the suggestion to take Silk Road down and rebuild it is, at this point, very premature.
Libertas
I realize "uptime" does not equate to being able to log on. But I would like to see those stats for myself, especially over the last 30 days. This is what I was referring to, as quoted from DPR -
"UPDATE (04/30/2013 0035 UTC): We have come a long way in the battle, but still do not have the upper hand. It's looking more and more like a restructuring of the tor software or even the tor network will be required to mitigate the kind of attack we are under. "
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Goddamn. Every time the silk road has any problems people are like "THE SILK ROAD IS DEAD OMGWTFBBQ!"
Chill, dudes. Nothing new or out of the ordinary has been happening to the silk road.
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Goddamn. Every time the silk road has any problems people are like "THE SILK ROAD IS DEAD OMGWTFBBQ!"
Chill, dudes. Nothing new or out of the ordinary has been happening to the silk road.
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Really? What friggin planet are you on?
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Sr is not dead and will not die.
At the most it will change, but the myth and the community will live on.
I'm sure. ;)
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I too was worried for a while yesterday, at least, that I might have to kiss SR goodbye. But there is many things that can be done. http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=155667.0 is my thread attempting to raise awareness of the many things that SR users can get involved with to try and squeeze this pissant motherfucker's tolerance for continuing to attack one of the most effective and concerted efforts to destroy prohibition ever conceived and executed.
Part of the idea is in encouraging as many SR users as possible to run non-exit tor relays, widening the channel so the cost of the attack is raised, and another idea I have to do with http-keep-alive, to lock open legitimate user's access to the server such that the number of available connections remaining at any given time are diminished for this spamcunt's mischief. Oh, and another idea, a browser extension (for firefox, at least, since most SR users use torbrowser, most likely) that interfaces with SR's server to grab a JSON list of onion addresses. This list could be picked a few out of a pool, and might enable the user in question to be locked out, and to top that off, set up a 30 minute delay between creating an account (or longer) and being able to first log in. This is a relatively easy (maybe 1-2 weeks work) bit of coding to do, and if anyone reading this knows anyone who might be able to write the javascript code for the extension and maybe write a script to generate new onion addresses (it's just a matter of inserting lines into the torrc and sending a SIGHUP to the tor server) to shuffle around the onion addresses.
If we all work together we can kick these slimebags in the nuts and still get and send our drugs in the mail. The solution at the end of the last paragraph would stave off the attack, especially combined with as many SR users setting up non-exit tor relays, and extending the keepalive timeout so that more of the server's connections are tied up with legitimate (funny word to say, but i think it's appropriate) users of SR versus the attackers.
I am glad that at least some of the newbie population here is concerned with the situation. What is related by the OP was exactly in my head for about 4 hours yesterday, actually, until a few hours ago when I decided to start being active here on the forum instead of being just a silent vendor (take the 9 off my nick, that's me)
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Silk Road is an onion site that boasts 97%+ uptime; I think the suggestion to take Silk Road down and rebuild it is, at this point, very premature.
Libertas
I realize "uptime" does not equate to being able to log on. But I would like to see those stats for myself, especially over the last 30 days. This is what I was referring to, as quoted from DPR -
"UPDATE (04/30/2013 0035 UTC): We have come a long way in the battle, but still do not have the upper hand. It's looking more and more like a restructuring of the tor software or even the tor network will be required to mitigate the kind of attack we are under. "
The 97%+ is an estimate of the up-time between February 2011 when the site went live and today, May 4th, 2013. Silk Road has been online for 26 months. The 97% estimate translates to online time of 25.22 months, which I'm sure you'll agree is fairly accurate given the fact that the site has up a lot more than it has been down over the past 30 days, and previous outages lasted no longer than a couple of days in total.
I am unaware of a site that has measured Silk Road's up-time from the time it went live, but if you can find one I believe it would reflect my 97% estimation.
Referring to DPR's statement above, if it is indeed something that cannot be resolved unless the Tor software or the Tor network itself are restructured then there's not much that taking SR down and rebuilding will accomplish.
Libertas
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Goddamn. Every time the silk road has any problems people are like "THE SILK ROAD IS DEAD OMGWTFBBQ!"
Chill, dudes. Nothing new or out of the ordinary has been happening to the silk road.
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Really? What friggin planet are you on?
Which one of us has "newbie" under our name again?
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nope not me
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**We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender** ;)
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Nah, SR will survive. I remember when everyone though DPR ran off and stole everyone's Bitcoins, and then it came back up. The DDOS can only go on for so long.
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never let you down SR :-*
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Goddamn. Every time the silk road has any problems people are like "THE SILK ROAD IS DEAD OMGWTFBBQ!"
Chill, dudes. Nothing new or out of the ordinary has been happening to the silk road.
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Really? What friggin planet are you on?
Which one of us has "newbie" under our name again?
Just goes to show how really clueless you are! That is only in the forums!
With idiot posts like that, it should be obvious why I don't usually post!
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Silk Road is an onion site that boasts 97%+ uptime; I think the suggestion to take Silk Road down and rebuild it is, at this point, very premature.
Libertas
I realize "uptime" does not equate to being able to log on. But I would like to see those stats for myself, especially over the last 30 days. This is what I was referring to, as quoted from DPR -
"UPDATE (04/30/2013 0035 UTC): We have come a long way in the battle, but still do not have the upper hand. It's looking more and more like a restructuring of the tor software or even the tor network will be required to mitigate the kind of attack we are under. "
The 97%+ is an estimate of the up-time between February 2011 when the site went live and today, May 4th, 2013. Silk Road has been online for 26 months. The 97% estimate translates to online time of 25.22 months, which I'm sure you'll agree is fairly accurate given the fact that the site has up a lot more than it has been down over the past 30 days, and previous outages lasted no longer than a couple of days in total.
I am unaware of a site that has measured Silk Road's up-time from the time it went live, but if you can find one I believe it would reflect my 97% estimation.
Referring to DPR's statement above, if it is indeed something that cannot be resolved unless the Tor software or the Tor network itself are restructured then there's not much that taking SR down and rebuilding will accomplish.
Libertas
No. I have only been able to log on 1 time for 10 - 15 minutes in the last 3 days. So I cannot confirm if the site has been up 97% of the time or not.
However, the site being up 97% of the time does not matter if there are only 3 good working nodes for many people to connect with.
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I too was worried for a while yesterday, at least, that I might have to kiss SR goodbye. But there is many things that can be done. http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=155667.0 is my thread attempting to raise awareness of the many things that SR users can get involved with to try and squeeze this pissant motherfucker's tolerance for continuing to attack one of the most effective and concerted efforts to destroy prohibition ever conceived and executed.
Part of the idea is in encouraging as many SR users as possible to run non-exit tor relays, widening the channel so the cost of the attack is raised, and another idea I have to do with http-keep-alive, to lock open legitimate user's access to the server such that the number of available connections remaining at any given time are diminished for this spamcunt's mischief. Oh, and another idea, a browser extension (for firefox, at least, since most SR users use torbrowser, most likely) that interfaces with SR's server to grab a JSON list of onion addresses. This list could be picked a few out of a pool, and might enable the user in question to be locked out, and to top that off, set up a 30 minute delay between creating an account (or longer) and being able to first log in. This is a relatively easy (maybe 1-2 weeks work) bit of coding to do, and if anyone reading this knows anyone who might be able to write the javascript code for the extension and maybe write a script to generate new onion addresses (it's just a matter of inserting lines into the torrc and sending a SIGHUP to the tor server) to shuffle around the onion addresses.
If we all work together we can kick these slimebags in the nuts and still get and send our drugs in the mail. The solution at the end of the last paragraph would stave off the attack, especially combined with as many SR users setting up non-exit tor relays, and extending the keepalive timeout so that more of the server's connections are tied up with legitimate (funny word to say, but i think it's appropriate) users of SR versus the attackers.
I am glad that at least some of the newbie population here is concerned with the situation. What is related by the OP was exactly in my head for about 4 hours yesterday, actually, until a few hours ago when I decided to start being active here on the forum instead of being just a silent vendor (take the 9 off my nick, that's me)
I'm don't technically agree 100% with you, but this is the kind of forward thinking we need. I'm a newb by name only and trying to get my count up with my new identity.
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say it isn't so! SR has been a perfect avenue verses meeting people in the grocery store parking lot
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;)
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The 97%+ is an estimate of the up-time between February 2011 when the site went live and today, May 4th, 2013. Silk Road has been online for 26 months. The 97% estimate translates to online time of 25.22 months, which I'm sure you'll agree is fairly accurate given the fact that the site has up a lot more than it has been down over the past 30 days, and previous outages lasted no longer than a couple of days in total.
I am unaware of a site that has measured Silk Road's up-time from the time it went live, but if you can find one I believe it would reflect my 97% estimation.
Referring to DPR's statement above, if it is indeed something that cannot be resolved unless the Tor software or the Tor network itself are restructured then there's not much that taking SR down and rebuilding will accomplish.
Libertas
No. I have only been able to log on 1 time for 10 - 15 minutes in the last 3 days. So I cannot confirm if the site has been up 97% of the time or not.
However, the site being up 97% of the time does not matter if there are only 3 good working nodes for many people to connect with.
The 3% downtime includes the past 3 days. I agree that if there are connectivity issues then site up-time is irrelevant, however I was simply stating that it is premature to suggest an onion site with 97% up-time needs a re-build to resolve those connectivity issues.
I do see where you're coming from though.
Libertas
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I have been reading, along with experiencing, about the several issues with SR. Such as, difficulties logging on, long delays in receiving orders, and funds floating around in bitcoin land. I'm not sure what good this is doing anyone. Buyers or Sellers.
Maybe it's time to take SR down. Rebuild. And come back stronger than ever ???
I would really hate to see SR go out with a bad rep !!!
Silk Road is an onion site that boasts 97%+ uptime; I think the suggestion to take Silk Road down and rebuild it is, at this point, very premature.
Libertas
THIS ^
What a dumb fucking idea OP, it's been down for what 4 days total, and there are already contingency plans in the event that DPR can't get the site working.
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I have been reading, along with experiencing, about the several issues with SR. Such as, difficulties logging on, long delays in receiving orders, and funds floating around in bitcoin land. I'm not sure what good this is doing anyone. Buyers or Sellers.
Maybe it's time to take SR down. Rebuild. And come back stronger than ever ???
I would really hate to see SR go out with a bad rep !!!
This post, combined with your post cunt, was so sus I was forced to look at your profile before responding. How could you take SR m down and 'rebuild' without losing base and momentum? That would be a definite step back.
And no I'm not explaining it b/c it is just too obvious to elaborate.
Piece, Love, and uck Haters.
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Spam ;) Dont bump thread.
goodbye mate and good luck whatever you do. ;)
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Hey everyone,
Not long ago, the attacker took down these forums as well as the main site, cutting off all communication between us. If this happens again, we need a way to stay connected. Listed below are backup .onion URLs that we will try to host the forum at if it is unreachable from the usual url (dkn255hz262ypmii.onion). Consider these official Silk Road URLs from now on.
If you cannot connect via these URLs as well, we'll use reddit.com/r/silkroad as a last resort. Please spread this message far and wide so as many people that want to stay connected as we go through this dark time are able to.
Yours always,
DPR
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I have been reading, along with experiencing, about the several issues with SR. Such as, difficulties logging on, long delays in receiving orders, and funds floating around in bitcoin land. I'm not sure what good this is doing anyone. Buyers or Sellers.
Maybe it's time to take SR down. Rebuild. And come back stronger than ever ???
I would really hate to see SR go out with a bad rep !!!
This post, combined with your post cunt, was so sus I was forced to look at your profile before responding. How could you take SR m down and 'rebuild' without losing base and momentum? That would be a definite step back.
And no I'm not explaining it b/c it is just too obvious to elaborate.
Piece, Love, and uck Haters.
It's very obvious that you are not an Information Technology person! Stick to what your good at, doing nothing but flapping your lips!
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Hey everyone,
Not long ago, the attacker took down these forums as well as the main site, cutting off all communication between us. If this happens again, we need a way to stay connected. Listed below are backup .onion URLs that we will try to host the forum at if it is unreachable from the usual url (dkn255hz262ypmii.onion). Consider these official Silk Road URLs from now on.
If you cannot connect via these URLs as well, we'll use reddit.com/r/silkroad as a last resort. Please spread this message far and wide so as many people that want to stay connected as we go through this dark time are able to.
Yours always,
DPR
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BULL SHIT >:( 0 posts ?
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I have been reading, along with experiencing, about the several issues with SR. Such as, difficulties logging on, long delays in receiving orders, and funds floating around in bitcoin land. I'm not sure what good this is doing anyone. Buyers or Sellers.
Maybe it's time to take SR down. Rebuild. And come back stronger than ever ???
I would really hate to see SR go out with a bad rep !!!
Silk Road is an onion site that boasts 97%+ uptime; I think the suggestion to take Silk Road down and rebuild it is, at this point, very premature.
Libertas
THIS ^
What a dumb fucking idea OP, it's been down for what 4 days total, and there are already contingency plans in the event that DPR can't get the site working.
What was a dumb fucking idea is giving a retard like yourself a keyboard !!!!!!
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Spam ;) Dont bump thread.
goodbye mate and good luck whatever you do. ;)
Idiot !!! Added to ignore list !!!
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BULL SHIT >:( 0 posts ?
That poster was quoting DPR's post from his Sticky in the main forum, albeit without the appropriate quote tags. You'll find the original post here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=155554.0
Libertas
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it's sweet, and all, to give so much credit to DPR and her team. but there is things we all can do. i have started a thread about it here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=155667.0
i am not meaning to second guess DPR, but i would think that she is not in a position or motivated to get mass action going from users. me, on the other hand, i am a vendor. my sales are being fucked over by this. i am 1 transaction away from getting a 38 bitcoin security deposit back. i am very motivated to motivate others to fuck this attacker's shit up. i will literally be homeless in a month if this is not sorted out, and starving in 2 weeks (on the outside) if this doesn't get sorted out.
yes, slack of me to not participate in the forums sooner. i apologise. i know a lot about cryptography and network security, as well as military tactics in general. i too thought that DPR and co had this one sorted, but a week of mostly downtime tells me she needs help.
if you like what SR does, then think through what i'm saying, on that post, and make your decision as to what and whether you can do anything about this. i personally think that enough SR users getting active and helping could be the margin that makes this all work out for the better.
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I have been reading, along with experiencing, about the several issues with SR. Such as, difficulties logging on, long delays in receiving orders, and funds floating around in bitcoin land. I'm not sure what good this is doing anyone. Buyers or Sellers.
Maybe it's time to take SR down. Rebuild. And come back stronger than ever ???
I would really hate to see SR go out with a bad rep !!!
This post, combined with your post cunt, was so sus I was forced to look at your profile before responding. How could you take SR m down and 'rebuild' without losing base and momentum? That would be a definite step back.
And no I'm not explaining it b/c it is just too obvious to elaborate.
Piece, Love, and uck Haters.
It's very obvious that you are not an Information Technology person! Stick to what your good at, doing nothing but flapping your lips!
It's very obvious you're a more than a bit challenged. You have not contributed anything from your meagre posts except to whinge about the fact you can't log in to SR m, and now you are suggesting we take it offline and rebuild.... genius, aren't you.... perhaps you should find another forum b/c we don't need teens from reddit coming here, if you don't know what you are talking about, my advice is to refrain from posting until you actually learn something.
***Straight to Ignore***
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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BULL SHIT >:( 0 posts ?
That poster was quoting DPR's post from his Sticky in the main forum, albeit without the appropriate quote tags. You'll find the original post here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=155554.0
Libertas
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damn, whats with all the fighting?
you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Yall starting to sound like politicians trying to discredit the other person rather than prove your own point.
arguments can be waged without cursing and being mean haha.
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just remember it's only noobs in here. not all of them are not trolls (reason for the 50 post limit, so they can be weeded out), but a lot of the ppl posting in here are not long-time crypto people, the number of orders that i as a vendor field that people just put plaintext addresses in their orders, too many, about 2/3rds. not even using privnote, which is pretty secure as long as both sides use tor.
anyway, i am a 10 year veteran of online forums and irc chatrooms. the troll content here in the noob jail is about typical. i am pretty confident that the whole point of the 50 post limit is to decrease the amount of outright trolls that get onto the main forum.
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If someone wants to leave, leave. Just stop the fear-mongering nonsense.
And if you do decide to leave, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. ::)
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I cannot believe how many a''holes and bigots are on this site! If I ever leave, it will be because of the people, not the site.
All I was trying to say on this topic was:
First, If SR is down for a little while, maybe the attacker will lose interest and go somewhere else since there is nothing to attack.
Second, I have over 25 years IT experience and I support many large financial companies, so I know what it is like to be able to take the system down for a little while, regroup, re-evaluate, and trying some things...without any stress.
Not to mention...Don't you think it would be nice to let DPR and people work on system without any stress. Or maybe even take a couple days off from this and return with a new perspective???
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Silkroad is working, awesome
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no keep supporting the road, dont give up
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Deff not, SR back up and working here! Now lets get back to business .
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Let's hope not. I'm not worried yet.
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420 browse silk road errday
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Yep. SR is back in business baby! ;D ;D ;D