It's not about giving up the fight, sildenafil, it's about having a place to congregate should the forums go down which could potentially happen at any time. If we have somewhere to congregate when that happens then at least we'll have a leg to stand on. If the forums go down and we have nowhere to go, that's it, we're done. I'm aware of the backup created by 'bitcoins' / 'RichieRich', but I will not be going there nor encouraging others to go there for reasons you are free to PM me to discuss. I don't think you realise the gravity of the situation, Happyman. We need a place to go to have any chance of rebuilding anything. I am attempting to put in place a backup system should these forums go down - if you disagree with that, that's fine. Libertas