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I ordered something and the vendor hasn't responded in a day. I know a day seems short but he also hasn't been on the forums for a week and another user complained 5 days about no response from the vendor in pm and ordering.

I know there are 3 days left till i can cancel it normally, but i would like to order as soon as possible, so i would like to cancel now and get the btc back to order from another vendor. Is this possible, or do i have to wait?

Thanks.

Hi 5CHIEKenQuish,

No, there is no way for you to cancel your order early.

Vendors have 4 days to process your order from the date you place it; allowing cancellations before this time would mean that the situation could arise where a vendor packages your order, sends it and comes back to mark it 'in transit' only to find that the order has been cancelled and he or she would not be getting paid for it.

As you know, the option to cancel becomes available after 4 days.

Libertas

I placed a 10G MDMA order with AfterHour, a German vendor, on early Tuesday morning.

BAD ASS MDMA -10G- http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/cadfb2d959

Emailed vendor with tx # and requested processing so I could FE and receive tracking info as required.  I have yet to receive any communication from this vendor, although I've notice that they have been active every day on SR since then.  The 10g MDMA listing I had initially ordered from, had been removed first.  Then, the remaining listings were further altered and later removed completely.  This vendor now has no active listings, I have not been able to communicate or finalize my order, and my money is stuck in SR escrow.  While browsing their review thread, I came across the post with possible related bust information.  Could be the reason for being unable to advance with this order. 

http://www.express.de/duesseldorf/duesseldorfer--22--in-u-haft--cybercrime--einheit-nimmt-online-drogenshop-hoch,2858,22701868.html

I need to get this order undone and have my funds returned asap, as I went out on a limb with my purchase in the first place and don't expect anything else to become of this deal with AfterHour.  Any help???  Please?

Vendor Profile: AfterHour - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/065073bbcb

Hi zer0her034,

First off I have to state that it is HIGHLY inadvisable to FE for any vendor, for any reason. Silk Road cannot protect you in cases where you willfully remove the protection offered of escrow by Finalising Early, and you have absolutely no comeback should something go wrong.

The option to cancel will become available 4 days after the order was placed, and you will be refunded your funds once you click that. If the order was hedged, please read the following from the Silk Road Wiki:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Buyer%27s_Guide#Escrow_hedge

Libertas

The idea of the hedge fee loss when an order is cancelled should be looked at case by case.  I placed an order with a vendor who cancelled the order because he claims I did not properly encrypt my address.  This is not correct as I have not had one problem with 17 previous transactions and I know what I did.  There is no reason that he couldn't have messaged me to re-send the address instead of cancelling it and now, since he did, I am out about $10.00.  Doesn't seem like a lot but it's the principle.  This policy needs to be looked at.

I understand what you're saying, Squirrel, and can see why you think it's a "Ripoff" and unfair but Silk Road assumes all of the risk when hedged orders are placed. It would be entirely impractical to assess cancelled orders on a case by case basis due to the amount of orders that are cancelled by both vendors AND buyers.

The vendor in question should really have messaged you to re-send the address, but vendors are free to do business with whomever they wish, and conduct themselves in any manner they wish as long as they do not violate the terms set out in the Seller Contract and Seller's Guide:

Seller Contract:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/register_seller

Seller's Guide:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Seller%27s_Guide

The hedging fee (at 4%) is very reasonable for the risk that Silk Road assumes over what can be - in Bitcoin terms - very long periods of time.

Libertas

I'm not a vendor myself but surely somebody whose made a significant commitment of investing in the site and paid to become a vendor should be able to skip the 50 posts rule? Seems fair to me.

In many ways I would agree with you, however it wouldn't be fair for some members to receive preferential treatment simply because they can afford to pay for a vendor account when others who have not done so are forced to get to 50 posts. I get what you're saying about having paid to become a vendor (which is a refundable bond, so they do get it back if they meet the conditions of the bond), but it just wouldn't be fair. That is how two-tier societies develop, from something as small as being able to pay for something and receiving extra privileges, and that's not something we want to encourage in the Silk Road forum community.

Just in case anybody's wondering, the 50 post rule was brought in to protect the main forums from the mass-spam that you sometimes might see in the Newbie forum. We delete that as soon as we see it but if we did not keep it confined to one place it would get out of hand and make discussion on all of the forums impossible.

Libertas

Good to be here - just letting you guys know I'm listing a very small amount of my own lovely W33D!

I'm just a passionate small scale organic farmer and have a little left over so think that people here might enjoy it...in fact I know they will I might do more but it's strictly for friends + not some huge operation!

No big deal, but any tips on getting it out there and for a beginner would be gratefully received

Thanks guys

Hi DrCol,

Do you have a vendor account?

Libertas

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So a week ago I bought a small about of BTC, transferred it to my BitStamp wallet (where I've previously transferred to SR from 3-4 times), and attempted to send to SR. The money didn't show up and didn't show up, but with all the downtime and deposit problems in the last week I thought eh, let's give it a couple of days.

(Please note: I did not use the 'get new address' button at any point in this transfer, which several people have suggested might have caused the problem. I also did not make a mistake with the address. Trust me, I've double and triple and octuple-checked.)

Started a forum thread (http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=155255.0), they said be patient and message support if nothing happened. Messaged support, they said be patient, eventually decided I'd been patient enough and badgered them a bit, finally got a terse message with a link to my SR wallet blockchain saying:

'As you can see there have been no deposits in your account for a month, that's why we haven't credited to you. The money was never sent to us.'

But the blockchain of my BitStamp wallet where I sent from shows the BTC leaving about an hour after I requested, just like normal, and going to another address I don't know as a small part of a much larger transfer. The SR forum guys assured me that this was 'the SR tumbler in action' and nothing to worry about. So the transfer definitely happened, it appeared to go into the SR tumbler, and from there it never reached my wallet and no one seems to care.

So what do I do? Do I get in touch with BitStamp support? I sent them a message several days ago, and they responded asking for the address I was transferring to, and which Bitcoin wallet software I was using. I've yet to respond to this because BitStamp have my real name and bank details from when it was still possible to purchase BTC from them in the UK, and I'm not comfortable telling them I was transferring to SR.

tl;dr - Transfer leaves BitStamp wallet, goes into the SR system, never arrives at destination wallet address, SR support basically don't care.

edit: P.S. I guess I kind of come across as an asshole, but it's been a long time of waiting and being asked if I did anything stupid only to be told something I already know, with no real attempt to help ('well, seems like your deposit didn't turn up. Too bad.')

Hi TTa803,

My advice in the previous thread was made around the time of the site-wide deposit issue if I'm not mistaken. I assumed that you were experiencing the same issue as others at the time, but it seems I was wrong. My apologies for that.

However, regarding the above:

The blockchain does not and cannot 'lie', so to speak; if a transaction does not appear at the address in question then it was never received at that address, and if it was never received then it either was never sent or was sent incorrectly by the sender (a large transaction sent but not paying transaction fees, for example, may never get processed or may get processed days or weeks after it is sent.)

Feel free to PM me the BitStamp wallet address that you sent from and the SR wallet address that you deposited to (along with the date, time and amount of the transfer) and I'll see if I can figure out what's going on with it using blockchain.info.

But the blockchain of my BitStamp wallet where I sent from shows the BTC leaving about an hour after I requested, just like normal, and going to another address I don't know as a small part of a much larger transfer. The SR forum guys assured me that this was 'the SR tumbler in action' and nothing to worry about. So the transfer definitely happened, it appeared to go into the SR tumbler, and from there it never reached my wallet and no one seems to care.

The above gives me cause for concern and leads me to believe that the problem is on BitStamp's end. If you checked your BitStamp address and it shows the BTC leaving that address, never reaching your SR address, and going to one you don't know as part of a larger transaction then that was not the SR tumbler and is something that BitStamp will have to address.

I believe this is why SR Support cannot help you in this instance, as it would seem that the transfer did not actually hit Silk Road at all for some reason on BitStamp's end. On re-reading your previous thread it seems that I overlooked you stating "the destination address isn't mine"; we were answering the same questions regarding deposits from so many people that everything with "deposit issue" looked the same at first glance.

Again, feel free to PM me your BitStamp wallet address and SR wallet address and I'll take a look at it for you.

Libertas

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