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If I FE'd after a vendor was banned, can I get a refund? I didn't mean to click FE, but their profile is gone.

Hi averageguy,

I'm afraid that you cannot get a refund after you have FE'd. Whether you FE'd by mistake or not, escrow is there for your protection. Please be more careful in future.

See the SR Wiki here for more information:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions#I.27ve_already_finalized_my_order.2C_but_am_having_problems.

Libertas

So whats the word on this? Did he pull his listings and delete his account or was it deactivated by moderators? I'm hoping the latter because I have a FE qp from him due soon.

Please see my post two posts above yours:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=158103.msg1122921#msg1122921

Quote from: Railgun on May 13, 2013, 01:18 pm

But how did he get away with all the great feedback that put him in the top 6%?  All of which are "FE waiting to clear" or overly trusting "Hey, I FE'd and I would order 10 kilos from this nigga" type comments. 

Does this mean feedback can be largely faked?

No one has ever recieved something from The Top Shelf. But you see reviews that they did.

Answer: Yes and it needs to be addressed.

You can see how feedback score is calculated here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Feedback_Score

It is impossible to address this in any other way than the way that is already being done due to the way the Tor works. If a vendor creates false accounts and makes false purchases then those ratings count for very, very little as they have no other buyer activity linked to them, thus they have a very low buyer weight.

Furthermore, there would be no need for a discussion on 'more being done to prevent this' if buyers stopped Finalising Early. There NEEDS to be a modicum of personal responsibility here!
It is recommended EVERYWHERE that buyers do NOT Finalise Early!

It's even on the 'About' page (accessible by clicking "a few word from the Dread Pirate Roberts in the top right corner) that buyer's should be reading when they first join Silk Road:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/about

Always use the escrow system! This can't be stressed enough. 99% of scams are from people who set up fake vendor accounts and ask buyers to pay them directly or release payment before their order arrives. This behavior should be reported immediately. If you do choose to do this, we will be completely unable to help you in the event of fraud.

The ONLY person at fault in a scam involving FE is the person that released their money from escrow before their product arrived. "Finalise" - by its very definition - infers finality.
To the Silk Road system, it means that you have received your order and are fully satisfied with its contents.

In short: STOP FINALISING EARLY!

Libertas

@Darktime other vendors would have a way of knowing where you live, and they know you sell from that location or near it.

The above is correct. It leaves vendors open to blackmail.

Sure, I have two accounts for buyer and for vendor ;-).

I am asking bcoz one order was finished by auto finalization and customer is complaining after long time and he want refund money.
I´d like to know, when I refund him only part of BTC and he will be disappointed can he give me bad rating?

Excellent, glad to hear it!

Regarding your situation, I would advise not refunding money unless it is a request that has been asked in the resolution center. If you believe the buyer did indeed receive the product, and have proof of this, provide it to the administrator presiding over the resolution.

You can read more about how resolutions are decided here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_are_resolutions_decided

However, if it is simply a case of the buyer messaging you AFTER the resolution process has already taken place, I would strongly advise telling them that the issue has already been resolved in the resolution center.

If you get a reputation as being soft on people who are trying to scam you then you will become an easy target for others. I'm not saying that that's what is happening here, but it has to mentioned.

Buyers can edit their feedback at any time within a 3 month period from the date they finalised the order. After this, the ability to remove feedback is gone as the item is removed from their 'view feedback' list.

Regarding how a 1/5 may affect your feedback score, you can read it here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Feedback_Score

Libertas

Quote from: Libertas on May 13, 2013, 05:12 pm

Quote from: MrNiceGuy007 on May 13, 2013, 09:46 am

Can anyone search  my vendor mane on the SR. lemme know if there is another MrNiceGuy007

You entered your login details and PIN into a phishing site. You cannot log in to your account as somebody else currently has control of it and changed your password and PIN.

BUYERS:
Please do NOT purchase anything from this vendor until the issues have been resolved. This is also the reason why ALL addresses NEED to be encrypted with PGP.

Libertas

Isn't this the same guy who fell for the investment scam today?  Damn, I can't believe you were a vendor!

Indeed - on both counts!

Libertas, how should I do that? Anyways, I'm thinking of making another portfolio and uploaded everything there.

Also, hit me up with your request. Would love to help this community out.

You can read a quick guide to it here, posted by the ever-helpful member community member 'pine':
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=158305.msg1116203#msg1116203

Libertas

whats your vendor profile i need BTC

In the interest of buyer safety I need to point out the following if anyone is considering buying their Bitcoin from a vendor on Silk Road:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Buyer%27s_Guide#Getting_Bitcoins

Please note that, while there are many vendors offering to sell Bitcoins directly from this site, we are not set up to facilitate this and it is very easy to get scammed this way. Until we are set up for it, we recommend you get Bitcoins from a third-party exchange. If you do get scammed we will have no way to help you.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions#I_need_help_with_a_bitcoin_transaction_from_a_Silk_Road_vendor.

I need help with a bitcoin transaction from a Silk Road vendor.

Unfortunately we do not offer support for these kinds of transactions because we cannot hold your payment in escrow. If there is an issue, you'll have to work it out directly with your vendor.

Libertas

Whoever came up with this idea of the 50 posts rule did not think things out. I am a long time buyer who has a problem with a vendor I need to voice so others dont fall into the trap and now I have to spam 50 messages. I would love to know who the brainiac who came up with this idea... I mean really...

The Newbie forum was introduced in order to stop the "bitswing" spam from being able to be posted on every forum. If that happened, discussion would be completely impossible. Forcing the spammers to reach 50 posts before leaking their spam onto the main forums gives us a chance to eradicate it before that happens. As we are all using Tor, there is no way to filter this in any other manner.
When you reach the main forums you will appreciate it more.

Would be cool if the time of registrations would count. I've been here on forums just reading for 18 months now but I cannot post elsewhere than newbies section after the 50 rule came out.
But anyhow I don't complain, 50 posts is just a little bit much for me to do in one subforum if I'm the type who posts once in a month or so.

Funny thing too is that I have 24 posts now but only 2 in newbie section. Yeah whatever, I feel a little bad for just spamming so instead I'll write posts here like this one.

Time of registration cannot count as the spammers could simply register X amount of accounts everyday, wait the necessary period of time and then post their spam everywhere, completely negating the point of having the Newbie forum.

Libertas