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If you can't delete the thread starter posts, simply edit them to say nothing. Unfortunately you cannot change your username for the forum, no. Simply delete as much as you can, delete the account and assume a new identity here.

Libertas

Hi gumislav,

It is not possible to delete your Silk Road account. You simply have to empty it of BTC, log out of it and leave it inactive for a number of months and it will be archived. Once it is archived, it is no longer accessible without a message to admins requesting access to it.

You cannot delete a Tormail email account, to the best of my knowledge. Just delete everything in it and log out. As far as the forum goes, you can go into your "show posts" list and manually remove your posts (Profile -> Summary -> Show Posts), then delete your account in the Profile -> Summary -> Actions menu.

Please make sure to remove anything that you want gone before you delete your profile as we do not delete member's posts here.

Libertas

1. I've never seen these rules enforced until twice today.

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NOTICE: Do not create listings that instruct customers to pay outside of escrow, or are used for any purpose other than to list an item to be sold for the listed price using the site checkout system. If you instruct your buyers to pay you in any other way, or to contact you off-site, your seller privileges WILL be revoked. You may provide back up contact methods such as an email address in case of site failure, but may not link to other e-commerce websites.

2. I didn't ask for out of escrow. You deleted my "back up contact methods"
3. Maybe you should go after all those $0 listings. I should be last of your worries.
4. What's the point of creating a $0 listing, have him buy it, and then give him btc. I just saved 2 steps.
5. I'm making you look like the bad guy because you flaunt freedom yet restrict ours. Just because they are "rules" don't make them right. Maybe you are forgetting that DRUGS ARE AGAINST THE RULES.

1. The reason you have never seen these rules enforced until twice today - with you - is because other vendors know the rules and abide by them. If they do not, they are pulled up on it and rarely break them again because they know we look for such behaviour.

2. I did not say you asked for anything to be done out of escrow, I stated that you performed an out of escrow transaction. It doesn't matter how large or small that is; it is not permitted here.

3. The $0 listings on the main site are not my concern - I have been appointed to be a moderator on the forums. However, $0 listings are permitted for BTC exchange sales, but ALL sales must go through the Silk Road order system.

4. The point is that all transactions must go through the Silk Road ordering system, as noted in point 3.

5. I'm not restricting anyone's freedom, I am ensuring that all vendors are treated equally and all vendors abide by the rules that DPR has put in place. I agree with you fully that just because something is a rule doesn't always make it right - however, if you wish to do business on Silk Road, you must abide by the rules which you agreed to abide by. Drugs are not against the rules here, so that is a truly ridiculous comparison to attempt to make. Drugs are "against the rules" in many societies, whether we agreed to abide by the laws that enforce those rules or not. However, in this instance, you AGREED to abide by the rules set out in the Seller contract, and are blatantly refusing to do so.

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You can contact the admins here if you wish to complain that you have an issue with not being permitted to break the terms of the Seller contract:

Again, I didn't break any rules (in this thread). You can argue about breaking the rule with a trivial 0.1 transaction, but even cops have common sense to know when to enforce certain laws. My problem isn't with the rules. It's with your hypocritical farce. I only had 10 posts and you nit picked two of them.

You did indeed break the rules in this thread. You told potential buyers that they could contact you off-site for "more instant transactions", as is evident by the following post:

Moneypak is also available for more instant transactions.
My torchat is: [REDACTED] (best way to reach me, as I don't keep Tor Browser open all the time).

It doesn't matter how "trivial" a transaction may seem to you. The fact of the matter is that you cannot conduct such transactions. Your problem is indeed with those rules, as you don't seem ready or willing to follow them. As for your posts, I nitpicked two of them because you were breaking the rules governing your vending on Silk Road. Having to engage with you on problems in 2 of your 10 posts should, perhaps, give you an idea that you're doing something wrong.

Quote from: HEATFan on May 21, 2013, 04:01 am

I send you $490 in BTC. You will mail me $500 in cash? I don't need to FE and I send you the coin after I receive the cash?

Sort of, but with seller fees, it's a bit higher than $500.
I have an FE policy in my profile. Generally, most folks should start with $100 order.
You release escrow after you recieve the cash assuming you comply with my FE policy.
Basically, if you are an honest vendor looking to cash out consistently long term, I'm your guy. If I suspect scammer, I will request FE.

Again, you clearly have not read the rules. You are NOT permitted to ask buyers to FE until you have been a vendor for one month or more and have made 35+ transactions. You are in violation of both of the rules below:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Seller%27s_Guide#Listing

NOTICE: Do not create listings that instruct customers to pay outside of escrow, or are used for any purpose other than to list an item to be sold for the listed price using the site checkout system. If you instruct your buyers to pay you in any other way, or to contact you off-site, your seller privileges WILL be revoked. You may provide back up contact methods such as an email address in case of site failure, but may not link to other e-commerce websites.

NOTICE: If you are a new vendor, you may not ask your customers to finalize their orders and release payment to you before you ship, a practice known as "finalizing early". If you do this, you will lose your selling priviledges. Once you have completed 35 successful transactions and have been a seller for at least one month, you may ask your customers to finalize early without reprocussion. In no way do we support finalizing early in general and this rule should not be construed as support for finalizing early for more established vendors.

I have given you ample opportunity here to acknowledge that perhaps that had been a mistake and you hadn't fully understood the Seller's Guide. I have also advised you on what you are doing wrong, but you still insist that you do not need to follow the rules.
As a result, I have passed this up to Silk Road administrators as it would seem that if you refuse to read the Seller's Guide and refuse to follow two of the most basic rules here, you will likely be inclined to break a lot more of them as you progress.

Libertas

well Libertas, thank you for your help, but I'm out of here now since reaching the magical number. Perhaps I'll see you elsewhere.....

Haha, good luck out there! And kudos for contributing to actual discussion in this forum, it's not something everybody does. +1

Libertas

You are absolutely correct.

Maybe I haven't been on SR in a long time, but seems like things have changed. Apparently now we have this jokester calling himself "Libertas" signing each post with "Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor" and then going around telling people - don't communicate beyond channels we control.

Are you serious? I'm quoting directly from the rules you agreed to abide buy upon purchasing vending privileges.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Seller%27s_Guide#Listing

NOTICE: Do not create listings that instruct customers to pay outside of escrow, or are used for any purpose other than to list an item to be sold for the listed price using the site checkout system. If you instruct your buyers to pay you in any other way, or to contact you off-site, your seller privileges WILL be revoked. You may provide back up contact methods such as an email address in case of site failure, but may not link to other e-commerce websites.

Perhaps you should re-read them, as breaking the terms of the Seller contract (http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/register_seller), which includes all the terms set out in the [EDIT: Seller's] Guide, will lead to you having your account suspended.

In fact, the other post I've seen of this guy is him pulling the same rule on me earlier FOR GIVING SOMEONE 0.1 BTC TO SPAM TO 50 FOR ME. Is this guy seriously insisting some average user to create a vendor account so he can sell me 10 minutes of his spare time for 0.1 btc?
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=161217.msg1147381#msg1147381

Yes, I did. If you break the rules, expect to be pulled up on it. That 'average user' was not expected to create a vendor account to sell you 10 minutes of his spare time for 0.1 BTC, but you were expected to create a listing on YOUR vendor account so as he could purchase 0.1 BTC from you in exchange for 10 minutes of his spare time.

Why are you attempting to make me look like the bad guy here when you're the one breaking the rules that you agreed to abide by?

Why would he even differentiate torchat and PMs here? I suppose that only means that PMs are monitored. Thankfully I use PGP and I hope to cater to those who also know it. ATTN: Customers, all sensitive communication should be encrypted from now on. Please provide me with your encryption keys.

Now that my rant is over, here's what I came to post. Our prices versus our competitors in chart form.
http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/qicpic/files/y7.png

TorChat is different than PMs here not because I differentiate between the two, but because DPR differentiates between the two and has stated as part of the Seller contract that you are not to instruct buyers to contact you off-site. If you have an issue with this, feel free to take it up the chain to them.

Encryption is certainly advised, and I commend you for encouraging its use.

Libertas

Quote from: Hendrix99 on May 21, 2013, 02:51 am

Ok I know when a Buyer places an order into resolution it gives 5 days till Silk Road staff get involved, but Ive only entered resolution 1 or 2 days before order was to auto finalize

If you Place an order into Resolution when there is 7 days left. will it jump to 5 days left until Silk Road staff get involved or will it add 5  to the existing expiry date so 12 days in this case untill they intervene?

Thanks in advance

When you place it in Resolution, I believe it automatically adds 5 days to the finalization date so it will finalize 17 days after the order was placed.

I think scout meant 22 days after the order was placed rather than 17. the 5 day extension is added to the original 17 day period.

Libertas

I could be mistaken, but I think they just meant to use torchat for communication, so that buyers could have the vendor carry out the transaction asap via the SR listing, rather than waiting for the vendor to check their outstanding orders on SR. Sort of like, "Hey vendor, I have BTC, I want a MP right now, this second, get on SR and service me!"

Maybe I'm too trusting?

I understand where you're coming from but in this case, it is irrelevant; as a result of the service that the vendor is providing here, it means that all business could be completed via TorChat if he provides a means by which buyers can contact him and engage in instant transactions. That is strictly not permitted. Backup communication means may be provided as a backup in case of a long term site outage - they may not be used so as customers can contact a vendor to arrange a transaction. All of that MUST be done through the Silk Road messaging system or the Shopping Cart.

Libertas

9 days, 7 messages later, Nothing. Priority shipping, marked transit the 13th. Before the past 2 weeks, all feedback was 5/5 from everyone (which is why I chose to FE) Noticed that since, others have posted feedback about no communication/bad shipping but they at least received what they bought. Also removed all listings. Bitcoins down the drain. Watch out if he springs up anywhere else.

Hi onetwothreeabc,

Unfortunately as you FE'd there is nothing we can do to help you in this instance. Please use the 'report this vendor' button on the vendor's page and explain what has happened.

Silk Road cannot protect you if you willfully leave the protection of the escrow system. Never, ever FE.
Please read the following SR Wiki entries:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Buyer%27s_Guide#Escrow

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions#I.27ve_already_finalized_my_order.2C_but_am_having_problems.

Thread locked as resolved.

Libertas