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Wow Lib...you have only locked 1  thread??

1.http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=160934.msg1184236#msg1184236
2.http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=159966.75

So there is 2 threads...and if I spent more then 45 seconds I could find more. So I have NO IDEA why in the world you said you only locked 1 thread...maybe it was a typo and you left off a 2 in front of it. All I know is I was in no way talking to you specifically. In fact if you read the post I quote...and take into your reasoning in number 1 for your lock...this was a good target for it...and in fact since you made this post all that has happened is you and scout fighting with anther vendor...trying to defend something that you two have NOTHING to do with. But the great thing is if you use #2 reason for locking...this whole thread can go away if infinitdick would just ask you!!!

It was clear that I was talking about locking 'one thread' relating to the subject under discussion, RxKing. The second example you provided was locked at the OP's request, and funnily enough that very thread was the first regarding issues involving the OP of this thread, InfiniteSource.

I no longer lock threads on request, and stopped doing so directly after the example you provided, so no, this whole thread would not go away if InfiniteSource were to ask me to lock it.

It is laughable you ever locked 1 thread....and I have already told you this personally...And I have told you that YOU locking threads was a big mistake...and you can not chose to lock a thread because you and scout talked it over!!! As you have used that excuse before!!! Also you have locked a thread in the vendor forums for no reason...only to unlock it! I have also seen where you locked a thread then scout unlocks it and then you two keystone cops talk in the post bout how the other unlocked it for some reason!!!Comical...

My decision to lock a thread may be a mistake in your eyes, RxKing, and you are fully entitled to your opinion on the matter - I'm not here to be popular, I'm here to do my job. I can indeed choose to lock a thread if scout and I talk it over and come to the conclusion that the thread needs to be locked. I locked a thread in the vendor forum for the reason provided at the time, then unlocked it for the new reason provided. Don't try make me out to be a bad guy here.

And your response to farmer about locking a thread here----

Locking a thread that has run its course and devolved into personal attacks furthering one member's personal agenda - and leaving its discussion there for all to see - is not in any way comparable to limiting freedom of speech.

Thats CRAZY!!! Where in the world have you gone to where YOU decide to lock a thread? YOU NEVER NEED TO LOCK A THREAD. And you sound like the government when they inact that silly national security/911 bullshit when they want to fuck someone. You bring in personal attacks and personal safety! Are you fucking kidding?? Do I really need to break down ALL the threads YOU have not locked?? That are personal attacks and are 100% complete lies and you two KNOW IT?

Again, you are entitled to your opinion. My reason for locking the thread - provided in my post when locking it - stands. It is my own personal policy to leave threads open when there is no threat to a member's security. I made an exception to that policy regarding the "forum karma" thread.

My view as a member of the community is that threads should not be locked at all in a community like this. My view as a moderator with the interest of the future of this community in mind, however, are that threads that have devolved into 3+ pages of "us against them" where the members and moderators are set up to be pitted against each other are not at all beneficial to the community at large and serve only to further one particular forum member's personal agenda.

I do think that moderators should stay as neutral as possible and back out of such threads to allow them to run their course and eventually die off (not adding fuel to the fire, so to speak), but I also understand that the urge to defend oneself against personal attacks and outright lies can be quite strong indeed.

I have stayed away from all this talk about locking threads as I talked to you personally about it after I saw you lock that vendor forum thread...and I told you that is NUTS!! And as you have said many a time in here we can say what we want...and we are entitled to our opinion...well that's great. Now how about us adults are entitled to having all threads open to post!
falls into your reasoning of vendor safety person safety ect..then do not lock one. That reasoning is insane btw...it sounds like exactly what the government says when they wan to fuck someone...NATIONAL SECURITY/911 bullshit.

Your reasoning here to farmer ---


Locking a thread that has run its course and devolved into personal attacks furthering one member's personal agenda - and leaving its discussion there for all to see - is not in any way comparable to limiting freedom of speech.

is INSANE. Do I need to out the 100's of post you two know about and do not lock???  You are actually saying you loci threads that are personal attacks??? REALLY That is a total joke...

No, I am not locking threads that are personal attacks. I locked one thread that was brought entirely off topic as a result of people wishing to attack each other. The reason for locking and the reason why it was considered as being brought off topic are two completely different things.

And if you go by your reasoning for locking #2 up there...infinitecunt...you know the OP...he can just request this thread locked!!! LMAO....How insane is that reasoning??? Talk about something that is totally fucked....that reasoning takes the cake! Whats even worse...is this forum is OUR forum and the voices are CRYSTAL CLEAR....QUIT LOCKING THREADS!!!! HOW MANY TIMES YOU TWO NEED TO HEAR IT FROM THE MEMBERS BEFORE YOU DO IT???

Yet instead if saying "my bad...we should never lock a thread" you go to that government/911 "if for the personal safety or personal attacks" GIVE.ME.A.FUCKING .BREAK.

I have addressed all of this above (in this post). Regarding "QUIT LOCKING THREADS!!!!", threads will not be locked unless there is a clear reason to do so, nor are they locked for "personal safety or personal attacks". Again, I have explained this above.

But again...my post was not about locking a thread and it was not directed at you at all. In fact it was sarcasm.

And now you are arguing..or whatever it is called with farmer over why Infintefuckhead was removed from being a vendor.. The facts are that I AM THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THAT LOSER DOWN AND CALLED HIM OUT!! FACT!! Both mods that were in the thread "need advice" (the number 2 thread you locked) did not see how this guy was a liar and a thief and a scammer. I DID! And I brought it to attention of SR. This lying idiot broke every vendor rule by posting a PM where he changed all my words and made it look like I was the scammer... And he wrote 30 post that BOTH of you know were total lies and according to you LIBERTAS would go into the category as hurting another vendor/ giving uyp personal information...and even worse...he changes every word!!! THIS AGAIN IS A FACT. At this point this loser was still a vendor and he was in the Kings Web!! And just like MTLJohn and Perky before him...I called this loser out and I showed everyone that could read he was a lying scammer...So like you did last week scout..when yo threw my name out for the reason you are moving threads..why don't you be honest and tell farmer who the catalyst was of getting rod of this piece of shit!

I am not arguing with farmer1 over why InfiniteSource was stripped of their vending privileges, I was addressing the points they had raised. It is not up to forum moderators to determine whether or not a vendor is genuine - we moderate the forum, and you are well aware of this. If there are issues with a vendor, that is what the 'report this vendor' button is for. If a member feels it needs to be addressed more urgently, they are free to contact a forum moderator and we will send it up to the marketplace administrators who will address the issue.

Regarding InfiniteSource posting your PM's and changing your words, that is not against any rules. We cannot verify whether what was said has been edited or not, so there is nothing we can do. As long as they do not release information that may threaten your security, their posts will not be edited by us. You're asking me to ensure freedom of speech by keeping threads open whilst simultaneously asking me to change PM's that he posted.

Also farmer...whoever it was at SR that send him those messages...was being NICE!! That's what a piece of shit lying loser this guy is. WAS. he is DEAD. Like PERKY and MTLJohn.

So that is a fact. Just like it is a fact you both have locked threads that in NO WAY should have ever been locked and never were there so many locked threads in the history of SR forums!! And yea you can say this is my opinion...but as was my opinion that Infintfucker was a lying scammer that needs to be shut down right away...and I was the ONLY one with that opinion at the time....FACT....I believe this rain of locking threads is coming to an end.As everyone in here is against it but you two. In my year + here I have never seen a mod have to defend an action more then you have  about locking threads..and since these forums are OURS(all of ours)...if the majority is saying DO NOT LOCK THREADS.....THEN DO NOT DO IT!! Yet you continue to!!

The forums are growing larger by the day, with new users posting things that force us to lock threads (looking for local hook-ups, looking to sell to people without a vendor account etc.) hence the reason that there are more locked threads. It is a simple case of a larger volume of members here now than were here before.

Also.....

 I have read where you and scout are trying to defend the comments made by SR Staff to infintetcunt.And you guys should not be having to do that...as you two have nothing to do with SR  ! It is insane people try and blame you two for what go's on at SR...I am still shocked that vendors still do not realize you two have nothing...NOTHING...to do with Silk Road..you guys(especially scout!) have said it 10000 times. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SR!! It is crazy.They should stick to blaming you two for shit you are guilty of like locking threads you should not have in the forums

I hope you read over this thread and see where it has gone. And I wonder if Infinitidiot would ask you to lock it..if you would.

I appreciate you realising that we do not have to defend the comments made my the SR administrator that dealt with the InfiniteSource issue, and that the blame for Silk Road is often misplaced. However, we are on the front line of the community, so I do understand why they might get the wrong impression.

Regarding locking threads, and whether this would be locked if InfiniteSource asked me to do that, again, I refer you to what I have written above.

Harvard did a study where they interviewed people with open minds that had the rare a ability to argue and disagree and not hold a grudge. The people they interviewed were also able to totally be pissed about one thing someone did but they realized there overall body of work was great and they found that people like this were very rare. And the only fact they came away with about these people...is they have very big dicks.

I  want to say that other then locking threads lib...you have been an AWESOME mod. And scout you have been an awesome mod too. I come from the belief that I can totally disagree with you on something..but also support you and think you are awesome at your overall job.

LOL

Thank you for the kind words, and I understand where you're coming from on the issues you have brought up in your post. It is a fine line that we have to walk between chaos and order on a forum where libertarianism and freedom are the ultimate goals, and there will inevitably be decisions made by moderators who, by the very definition of the word, aren't exactly going to be the most popular people in a group or society that opposes moderation. It's not possible to please everyone here, and I do not wish to make people uncomfortable nor feel as though they have to "be careful what they post lest they offend someone and have their thread locked".

Threads will only be locked if we consider that there is a strong reason to lock them. We will continue to do our jobs whether we are criticised or applauded for it.

Every member of this community is free to say anything that they wish as long as it does not violate the policies of this privately owned forum, namely that personal information or other information that compromises a person's anonymity may not be posted under any circumstances. That is not a moderator policy, that is a forum owner policy.

Regarding locking threads, that will be kept to an absolute minimum. For that you can hold me to my word, and consider me personally responsible for it.

Libertas

Quote from: scout on June 01, 2013, 09:07 pm

Quote from: farmer1 on June 01, 2013, 08:53 pm

If the OP was thought to be being only investigated at the time of the first message then they should have been treated with the utmost respect. If a honest vendor has his shop closed while SR is investigating his activity then he is making a sacrifice for the good of the community.

At the time of the vendor being investigated, it was already known that they were threatening customers.  It was also known that said scammer had scammed under another username - coachella420 - and was simply using a new account to continue the scam and the threats. 

Why should scammers who threaten to send drugs to someone and then report it to LE - AND STEAL PEOPLE'S MONEY - be treated "with the utmost respect" ?

If you want to argue that point then you need to present the evidence. Since you can't you might as well stop bringing it up to support your point - it doesn't work. You are not beyond reproach.


The very fact that you can't present the evidence makes it extra important to remain professional. You have no defense to back up the rude way in which you are responding to those who message you.

The evidence to support scout's point is in the fact that InfiniteSource was stripped of their vending privileges for those reasons; the evidence of those was presented and investigated by an administrator before the ex-vendor in question was stripped of their vending privileges. A decision to do so is not taken lightly, and requires administrators to be 100% certain that the vendor has broken the rules.

scout is not the one that sent the "rude" Support messages to InfiniteSource, so you are addressing the wrong person in that regard.

Libertas

Quote from: Libertas on June 01, 2013, 08:09 pm

As I have stated multiple times, freedom of speech remains a pillar upon which this community was built.

Libertas

**WARNING**

When someone starts repeating things like this then they are full of shit.

If this place were really free to speak then you wouldn't have to be reminding us of it.

You are fully entitled to your opinion; however, perhaps I should have explained it better:

"As I have stated multiple times, both in response to requests to lock threads and delete posts and over the course of my posting history, freedom of speech remains a pillar upon which this community was built."

Again, you're fully entitled to your opinion, but I do not infringe on the rights of others to speak freely here - indeed any member is free to say what they wish as long as it does not threaten the security of vendors nor buyers, and as long as they do not reveal personal information about any member.

Locking a thread that has run its course and devolved into personal attacks furthering one member's personal agenda - and leaving its discussion there for all to see - is not in any way comparable to limiting freedom of speech.

That is all that I am going to be saying on the matter; the issue of the locked thread has been fully explained, along with the reasoning behind that explanation.

Libertas

Quote from: Jack N Hoff on June 01, 2013, 01:57 am

Quote from: Razorspyne on June 01, 2013, 01:53 am

Not sure, someone said that before but b/c it came from an unreliable source (samesame) I ignored it. I'll do a search now.

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.

Why was InfiniteSource banned?  I missed this.

Two users claimed I sent a PRIVNOTE to them saying I would contact LE if they did not FE. Was not true, but such is life. The first user claimed to have "never got the package" but when I produced tracking he said the post office "put it in the wrong box," this pissed him off so he told everyone I sent a privnot. Im guess another person saw this as a opportunity to jump in and get free drugs, and tried to pull the same.

You admitted threatening one of your customers with LE intervention because - and I'm paraphrasing here - you 'weren't going to give in to the demands of meth-heads'. If you played by the rules, you would still have a vendor account. You did not play by the rules, thus you no longer have a vendor account. It's that simple.

Libertas

Thank you.

You're very welcome. There are also numerous up to date guides in the Security forum which will help you out if you get stuck.

Libertas

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He paid my card

Releasing personal information of ANYBODY is NOT permitted here!

Libertas

By the time I finally reply the topic has changed. Well, at least my pets are no longer following me around after every post I make and then locking the thread, so thank god for small favours.

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.

Stop acting like an infant, Razorspyne. You're only succeeding in making yourself look foolish. You don't have to agree with moderator decisions, but they are what they are - there's no legitimate reason to troll other threads crying about it simply because other threads got locked for the reasons stated in them.

My reason for locking a thread you started was given in it.
That reason is available here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=160934.msg1184275#msg1184275

It devolved from a legitimate discussion into ongoing personal attacks on each other, thus I deemed it off topic - and detrimental enough to this community - to lock it.

Libertas

Got my funds, all is well, Thank You!

Awesome! Did you message Bitcoin Fog's support about it? Just so we know in case others have a similar issue in future.

Libertas