Yeah of course the production of CP is wrong in the majority of cases (ignoring teenage self production blah blah blah). I even argue that paying for CP is wrong, because it funds child abuse, just like paying for a hitman is wrong because it funds a murder. Yes I separate people making CP from people viewing it. I think people should not make CP, and I don't care if people view CP. I look at the trees in the forest, you look at the entire forest as a whole, and this results in you burning the damn forest down when 51% of the trees are bad, but I just cut down the bad ones and let the good ones live. Nobody killed elephants just to give the ivory away so at best it is a weak analogy, it holds up best as an argument against the sale of CP for profit which I already said I am against. You see, the studios in Eastern Europe indeed produced CP because people paid them, but people also pirated the content. If nobody paid them and everybody pirated the content, only an idiot would think that they would continue to produce for the pirates. It was the payment for CP that motivated them not the people viewing the CP. And if it was the people viewing the CP that motivated them, so what anyway? If a serial killer kills because he likes to read about himself in the newspaper, does that mean we must ban newspapers from reporting on serial killers? By your logic it would mean that, you take the responsibility for the actions of people and you bounce it around as much as possible until everybody that has any connection at all to the person is called responsible for the actions of the person. But you do not do this consistently only in cases of CP, because you blame the people viewing CP for the children being raped, but you do not blame the people paying for drugs for the innocents being killed by the cartels nor do you blame the newspapers for the people being killed by the serial killers. And yeah, inherently the abuse in CP has happened in the past, or else pictures of it could not have been taken. I already said two ways in which there is a market for CP. The first is the Eastern European studios, and again they would not produce unless people paid them and I already said I am again people paying for child porn because it is similar to people paying for a hitman. The second case consists of people in the private membership groups where images are traded like baseball cards and other similar private trading group models. Yes I seriously suggest that the overwhelming majority of CP consumers in the real world are completely 100% divorced from the producers, 22 million people on public P2P networks seeding identified in two single operations, probably more like 100 million people trading CP on P2P networks including those not identified and those not seeding. That number greatly shadows the number of people on private forums, which generally top out at thousands of members max, and also greatly shadows the number of people on darknet imageboards which is limited to less than a million. People who trade on public P2P networks almost never are involved in social networking with other people involved with CP, so I think it is obvious that the vast majority of people involved with viewing CP are not networked socially with others who are. Do you really think there are these people out there, who are upstanding citizens who will never molest children, but then those damn bastards on P2P download CP, and this demand triggers some latent issue in the upstanding citizens mind, and he decides that to fill the demand for this CP he must go out and film himself fucking a bunch of kids? Does that really seem like a likely scenario to you, because to me it seems totally absurd.  Sure totally moral to view CP. Totally moral to obtain CP too, nobody runs out and fucks kids because some anonymous dude loaded an imageboard or downloaded some shit on P2P. If you think such strange people really do exist then I guess we must make a PIR type system for CP downloaders so it is impossible for anybody to know that they looked for and obtained CP, as this will totally protect from anyone being able to tell they had demand for it. But yeah is bad for them to pay for CP for sure. So you are okay with everybody who has CP as of when you posted this, but they just cannot get more in the future? That seems kind of strange, what happened at the point in time you posted this that made it immoral to get CP after that date but not prior to it.