I mean, if somebody votes libertarian, holds libertarian beliefs in regards to drug legalization, taxation and access to weapons, and they blow up a federal building in protest of the federal government, what exactly do you think we should call them? McVeigh was obviously a libertarian, and he even claimed to be one himself. Sure, just because somebody says they are a libertarian does not mean that they are. Lots of people claim to be libertarians while holding beliefs that are totally incompatible with libertarianism! On the other hand, McVeigh voted libertarian, which is a strong indicator that he himself is a libertarian, and additionally he held libertarian beliefs on at least three key points, gun control, drug legalization and the federal government. I don't think that American military Nazis are libertarians! Obviously American military Nazis are Nazis, national socialists. On the other hand, American Military Libertarians are quite obviously libertarians. I mean, there are crips in the military and there are bloods in the military, it doesn't mean that the military is the crips or the bloods. The U.S. military is a diverse organization and it has members spanning the political spectrum, from crips and bloods to aryan nations members and neo Nazis, republicans and democrats and libertarians as well. In fact, I know several libertarians who have served in the US military or related organizations. Many of them were blinded into thinking of America in idealistic terms, and only later found out that the constitution they risked their lives to defend was not actually respected by the American government. Disillusioned libertarians with military backgrounds are a dime a dozen. In the intelligence agencies there are quite a lot of libertarians as well, and in fact I know several libertarians who have backgrounds in state intelligence services, although most of them would describe themselves as having seen the light after their service. Others see a difference between acting as police agents in order to do things such as bust people with drugs, and acting as intelligence analysts in order to do things such as try to prevent a terrorist attack on their home country, or to make sure that their home country stays competitive against foreign agencies. It is probably pretty easy for an NSA agent to take this point of view, considering the fact that their job is not to spy on American citizens looking for criminals who have committed crimes against the state, but rather their job is to prevent terrorism and espionage, as well as to engage in espionage against foreign agencies. I mean, if I knew that Dingledine was a former DEA agent I would have a much different opinion regarding him, but him having formerly worked for the NSA actually does not scare me so much. In fact, I don't lump the entire US government together as being Nazis, my primary beefs are with the police agencies and the politicians. I recognize that the US needs a military as well as intelligence agencies, in order to protect the interests of the US. Ideally these agencies would be privatized and not funded via taxation, but in the mean time it is important that they exist for the well being of the people who live in the US and allied countries. Certainly the military could start enforcing drug laws (although I suppose they already do some operations to combat drug traffickers in the USA, although Obama has limited this at least somewhat), and the NSA could start acting as a criminal intelligence agency (which there has been absolutely no proof of, and plenty of proof against), but so far I see DEA agents kicking in our doors and sending us to prison, not Marines, and so far I see DEA and ICE agents engaging in intelligence operations to intercept our shipments and arrest us, not NSA agents. Also, libertarians are not against the idea of a centralized military and intelligence apparatus, nor are they against taxes being used to fund such a thing, which is actually one of the key things that differentiates them from anarchists, who are against all forms of taxation and all government provided services. I am not involved with the US military, although I know several people who have been in the past, mostly in intelligence capacities. I don't think any of them are murderers though, most did technical work in signals intelligence or measurement and signature intelligence. Most of them had a vastly different idea of what the US government was like when they first joined, and viewed it as respecting its constitution and the ideals once considered as American. Most of them probably would not have actually helped the government if they had at the time recognized its true colors, although several recognize that it is important to have a strong national defense, and that intelligence operations are required to prevent terrorist attacks and similar things. Really there is nothing inherently non-libertarian about serving in a military, although some of the actions taken by the military are against libertarianism certainly. The US military consists of individuals spanning a very wide spectrum of political orientations. Although Republicans are probably over represented, libertarians are not lacking in the military. After all, they like guns and technology, and tend to be extremely intelligent .