So let's see the logical constructs used by the people arguing against me so far: Let's start with contestant number one: if not X then not Y, therefor X == Y [if not life then not death, therefor life is death] next up we have nicknacks argument: if X OR Y then Z, therefor X == Y [if you drown in water or you burn to death then you die, therefor drowning is burning to death] would anybody else like to give it a shot?