Well although initially I was neutral in regard to Atlantis, I now am very sick of seeing people claiming to be them spamming the shit out of this forum. I don't jump to conclusions, it is quite possible that the feds are trying to turn us against each other by framing Atlantis, in an attempt to cause general discord. However, if this is the case, they have succeeded in my case, as I start to really think Atlantis is likely a scam, provided they are truly responsible for the DDoS and the massive spamming of their site here. It is really admirable that DPR even allowed them to post links to their site here a few times, he honestly does not strike me as a ruthlessly competitive person. Hell, he even gave OVDB an entire sub forum here for a while. But the Atlantis supporters are really wearing out their welcome imo, because we do not need to see in a hundred different threads information about their shit. That is spamming. People who spam tend to be scammers it seems to me. I wonder if they are going to run away with the escrow? As far as the code of SR, why don't you post some of it since you know it is so shitty? Oh, you cannot post it because PHP is fucking server side code you retard. Did you hack into the SR server and do a security audit on their code? All you can see is the HTML that it outputs. The same goes for Atlantis. You cannot see their code unless you have access to their server. Additionally, it doesn't really matter a whole whole lot how secure the rendezvous server between vendors and customers is. As always, security is up to those who want it, it can not possibly be outsourced in a secure fashion, especially not outsourced to anonymous characters doing illegal things on the onion net. Admittedly, Atlantis has a few innovative features, I like the idea of automatic GPG encryption of messages to the vendors key, provided the messages are not encrypted already. That is admittedly a bit more secure than what SR is doing, however it would be utterly foolish to rely on it, and as always, security should be managed by the people who need it, not outsourced to potentially malicious third parties. As far as DDoS being impossible over Tor, this has already been covered extensively in some of the other threads these idiots have been making. DDoS over Tor is possible. If you don't believe me you could ask the Tor developers, but OZfreelancer already did and posted their response saying that DDoS is possible. Not only is it possible in the specific way that they mentioned, which is HS specific, but they are also weak to an assortment of traditional DoS and DDoS attacks. So the people claiming that DDoS over Tor is not possible are talking out of their asses, most certainly. They have either penetrated SR and Atlantis to get copies of the code, or they are lying about having compared the quality. They are overstating the importance of having a secure server, as far as vendors and customers should be concerned. They are lying about the ability to carry out DDoS attacks over Tor. They are spamming this forum with Atlantis bullshit that everybody is sick of hearing, despite DPR being kind enough to allow them to do it ever at all So either they are affiliated with Atlantis, and Atlantis should never be trusted, or they are not affiliated with Atlantis and are trying to cause a problem between the established community and the emerging community, which is a technique that would indeed be utilized by the feds, or could even be bored trolls.