So I don't have the time right now (well I do but I am tripping and already spent a good hour replying to one half of your enormous reply) but here are replies to some of your 'points'. Also I see that I was likely incorrect about reefer madness being funded by the US government, although I can find sources that claim this (even reliable ones like ACLU sources) I can find other sources confirming that it was funded by a private church group. Well actually I can find about a dozen different claims of who funded it, but the most credible one appears to be a church group as you claimed. So I made a mistake on a specific piece of propaganda, there are government propaganda snippets I can find that are straight from the horses mouth that pretty much verbatim say all the points from reefer madness anyway. And it is strictly your opinion that a religious charity school will indoctrinate children, maybe God is real and they picked the right religion :rolls eyes: The difference is that in your society everyone is FORCED to pay for a public education system that instills ANY values into children, and in my world the people in society are FREE to pay for whatever schooling they want, and if they cannot afford to pay for the schooling they want they will very likely still be able to pick between a host of charity education providers. It is really so simple. Yes I am aware that you are a raging statist and proud of it; it is the reason why you think freely chosen religious charity schools indoctrinate children but also think that it is only my opinion that funded via force statist fascist schools indoctrinate children. The fact remains that in your society you are forced to fund a propaganda campaign that targets children ostensibly as 'health education' , and in my world I am free to give my money to the school that I want to, or no school at all. In my system education is reflective of the individuals desires; in your system the education system is funded via force, mandatory, and although it provides education its mixes it in with the propaganda of the government. Let the people who want to teach lies to children fund the DARE programs and leave my money to me, I will put it toward doing things like real drug research so that we can learn more about drugs and harm reduction. Indeed I would commend it and likely would voluntarily put funding into an anarcho-capitalist schooling system (I mean, I do like to learn things, I just don't like to learn bullshit, or be forced to pay for the government to indoctrinate more children to their agenda). If you would like to continue wasting your money on teaching kids propaganda, feel free to do so I will not stop you or make you fund what I want either . Of course everyone indoctrinates children to some extent, it is largely impossible to avoid. The difference is that in your system the propaganda is paid for via force and it is essentially forced onto everyone! I have no choice but to fund D.A.R.E, I have no choice but to fund the D.E.A, I don't like either of these establishments! I do not want to fund these establishments or programs! People with guns in the IRS demand that I do, if I do not they will throw me into a fucking prison. There is no analogy being made between the IRS and a band of gun waving extortionists, that is what the IRS is! Let the many people paying taxes who want to continue paying taxes continue paying them! I imagine when they are not threatened by men waving guns they will see no reason to throw their money away into programs and establishments that they don't support and that they are against! Let those who agree with me be free , and otherwise it is clear who the aggressor is and it is clear who wants to claim ownership of us. I say we own ourselves, in your world we are owned by the collective and it is bullshit. I will not accept that that is righteous as it clearly is not. Of course I know that it is better for us all if we are all educated. Perhaps I will donate charitably to a school that provides education freely. I will NOT fund such a school if they teach D.A.R.E , I will not fund such a school if they teach intelligent design either. Now I am EMPOWERED to support what I WANT instead of FORCED TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO WISH TO OPPRESS ME. See the difference? It is not that hard to understand, I am sure if you put a little bit of effort into it you can free yourself from your mental slavery. You are naive if you cannot see how the virtual world is changing the real world. Although I can appreciate the irony of the fact that we are on an internet that was originally created by the US government, and that even the Tor of today (The military made the concept not the implementation) has some level of connection to the US government (not that there are not privately funded solutions from libertarians and anarchists, like I2P and Freenet), it is naive to assume that similar solutions would not have arrived through the free market (and indeed there are plenty of anarcho-libertarian / cryptoanarchist created technologies and networks). The US government does still give large amounts of funding to Tor, this is of course our stolen tax dollars at work. I would continue to support Tor financially even if I were not obligated to do so by the government, because I believe in what Tor stands for and I recognize that it is one of the better low latency anonymity solutions. D.E.A I would not fund because I am very against them and I hope that their field agents are lined up and executed by firing squads. "We have been slaves and thus we shall remain slaves" . That is what you just said essentially, and unfortunately it is hard to argue against it but I see everyday that we are making progress. I see that we are protecting our people from oppressive agencies like the D.E.A. , and it gives me hope that someday we will do even better. They have trillions of dollars and paramilitary armies to enslave us, and still I have friends stacking up millions of dollars selling drugs to willing customers. Still I am using LSD even right now I am tripping balls . Unfortunately we still take our losses, Enelysion for example is a good friend of mine who got pinched by the department of homeland security for selling drugs online. He will probably spend most of his life in prison now, I guess joot too although I didn't know him as well. Nice to know that I am forced to pay for the agencies that are locking up my innocent friends huh? That is really freedom in your broken mind. But I know that we are just getting better and better and bigger and bigger and you know what not shit is going to stop the online drug scene. And we wont always be the victims either, someday those fuckers will see that they can be touched, and I feel no pity for them when that day comes, and there will be no excuses for them when that day comes. I live in a state that censors information and sends people who access censored information to die in prisons. I live in a state where I am forced to fund the imprisonment of my friends. I live in a state where I must hide from the police. I live in a state where my friends don't even know who they can trust because the person you thought was your best friend was an undercover DEA agent. I live in a totalitarian state, beyond any doubt in my mind. The details are all that differs when comparing my state with any other totalitarian state you can name. Thinking that we have constitutional rights is pie in the sky idealism. We are given the right to free speech and freedom of the press, and millions are in prisons for possessing the wrong pictures. We have the promise that religions will not be favored and religions are granted exceptions to the controlled substance act and can possess mescaline, dmt. We are told that we are free from slavery, what about the draft do you think the people who died in Vietnam were not mostly government slaves? Again I will say, your fear of anarchy appears to be that it will turn into government. Indeed a scary prospect, we should do our best to make sure this does not happen, while understanding that nothing in life is promised to anyone. A purely democratic system is synonymous with mob rule. I know that U.S.A is not a pure democracy, but it is close enough to democratic that it essentially is mob rule. But when mobs rule the real rulers are those who have mastered the art of mass manipulation. The outlaw DEA has not broken the government laws, any recourse against them will need to be provided by private industry. Please let me know when a D.E.A. offensive defense agency starts up, I would love to take the funding that I am currently forced to provide to the D.E.A. and instead provide it to them. I also am strongly in favor of death penalties to those who are guilty of armed home invasions leading to kidnappings and prolonged false imprisonments.