The Gestapo enforced the law. The people who ran concentration camps in Nazi Germany enforced the law. Following orders has never been recognized as a valid excuse for committing crimes. This holds true for the Nazis who were tried with war crimes and it holds true for DEA agents. Following orders does not absolve them of responsibility. They choose to have the job they have. Nobody has forced them. Additionally, I do not recognize the laws of the state. You think as a statist if you think that there is any we involved with recognizing the law. I recognize right and wrong, not the law. If you think that following the law is all that matters then you must have been against the Nazis being tried for war crimes right? Should someone who is extorted for money by the mafia be tried for sponsoring criminals? No, the mafia should be tried for extortion. The IRS should be tried for extorting me, I should not be tried for sponsoring terrorism. Let us also remember that the Nazis were brainwashed into thinking that it was morally right to exterminate the Jews. Thinking that you are doing the right thing is not an excuse for your actions. People who commit crimes while thinking they are doing the right thing should not be excused of their crimes! So you wish that the Nazi war criminals were not tried for their crimes? The German society hated the Jews and their extermination was completely lawful. What about all of the other armies that have committed war crimes that were acceptable in the eyes of their societies? The list is enormous. Following your logic, people should not be held accountable for genocide if enough of their people supported the mass murder of innocents. You believe in moral relativism, I believe in moral absolutism. Morality does not change with the times. Following your logic it was not bad for people to own slaves because hey it was socially acceptable at that point in time. The people responsible for innocents being burned at the stake deserved to be burned at the stake themselves. It is so insane to think that the majority of a society at a point in time determines what is right and what is wrong. It is a form of defeatism to accept things the way they are merely because the majority of society accepts things the way they are. There will never be positive change if everyone thinks this way! Yes, secret police have put hundreds of thousands of people in jail for drug crimes. What do you think undercover agents are? What makes the snitch networks of today different from the Stasi snitch networks of Eastern Germany? Absolutely nothing. To think that there is a difference is an artifact of your social conditioning. Indeed, and those who put them in prison must be punished. Following your logic it is acceptable to punish them if the majority of society agrees that it is! Should the Jews have just been thankful that they were done being exterminated? Or should the Nazis have been punished for crimes against humanity? And the collateral damage is on the hands of those who began the aggression. Although we should take efforts to minimize it, we can not let the possibility of innocents being hurt get in the way of bringing justice to criminals. On the off chance that you were not aware, several Nazis were executed after WWII and even to this day Mossad agents hunt them down and assassinate them. Anyone who steps in to defend them has become an agent on their behalf and if they die it is nobodies fault but their own. Targeted assassinations seem to have worked pretty well for Mossad in their bringing justice to Nazi war criminals... And do you think that government agencies stand by idly while Silkroad is in operation? No of course they try to bring it down. You seem to see the government as some all powerful being. Well, in a war between an all powerful being that (paradoxically) is not all knowing, and an all knowing being that is not all powerful, I think that it is anyones fight. Who will win, an ultra powerful government or a bunch of anonymous attackers? If we take to the streets with guns and march as an army against them we will be wiped out. If they mysteriously are killed off one by one it is a different story. No, we are threatened with violence. We are threatened with our doors being kicked down by paramilitary troops with automatic weapons, having our property stolen from us and being imprisoned for decades. If that is not violence I do not know what you consider violence to be. They have initiated force against us and it is our duty to bring them to justice for their crimes. We will have won when we are free todo what we never should have been restricted from doing?We will have won when we have people released from prisons decades later? We will have won when they are retiring and getting a monthly government paycheck and we will have people with wasted lives? No , we have lost. Even if drugs are legalized entirely today and all of the prisoners are freed, we will have lost. It is not possible for us to win. The best we can hope to do is make sure that we have not lost alone. The only way to win the drug war is to never have played it, they decided to play it and now it is up to us to make sure that we both lose. No matter what we already have lost. So it was right for the Nazis to exterminate the Jews? It was right for blacks to be enslaved? According to your logic it will be right to kill the DEA agents as soon as I have convinced enough people. Moral subjectivism is absolutely fucking disgusting. Indeed the Nazis did not think they were bad. By your logic nobody who acts thinking their actions are good deserves to be punished. Are you really so fucking dumb as to believe this?