debating with people like you is entirely pointless but its still fun, sort of like shooting fish in a barrel I guess. You are the one who said this: This quite clearly demonstrates that your mental process goes something like this: a. If something IS this way then it OUGHT to be that way b. The law says this IS immoral so I find it immoral because if it wasn't immoral the law wouldn't be that way I put no words into your mouth. You are the one who said this, only after I pointed out the complete mindlessness of the logic did you back peddle and say that it being illegal isn't the *only* reason you find it immoral. I never said all illegal things should be done or should be legal. I actually gave the example that I think stealing is bad, but I don't think stealing is bad because it is illegal. Thinking something is bad because it is illegal shows a complete lack of having your own opinion and a dangerous and blind adherence to authority. I don't think people should fuck little kids (but do think that the definition of little kid is not something to be defined by the government and followed blindly by its slaves). I think stealing is bad. I think smoking crack in the street should be legal of course. You strike me as surprisingly Statist for someone on such a forum My logic is actually this: Fucking little kids is bad because they are incapable of coming to informed consent (but by 15 most can) Stealing is bad because it violates the non-aggression principle Smoking crack in the street is not bad your logic is this Fucking little kids is bad because the government says so Stealing is bad because the government says so* Smoking crack in the street is bad because the government says so *Does not apply to stealing when done by the government, clearly showing that you completely lack principles