Rational people take me seriously because I provide cites with my claims and explain things in detail, rational people don't take the other poster seriously because he said a bunch of bullshit that was quickly proven wrong, and then instead of show a single citation backing up his feelings he said he thinks papers from world professionals are wrong and his completely uneducated opinion should still be taken seriously. He also accused me of simply googling for papers and acted like he is an expert and I know nothing about what I talk of, and I don't have the patience to force myself to be nice to cocky retards. Be cocky all you want if you actually have anything intelligent to say but if you are going to make shit up and act like an expert when you don't know shit at all don't expect me to be nice to you. Rational people care about the substance of the message, the way the message is delivered may tell them a thing or two about the messenger but it doesn't influence the content of the message. Irrational people ignore the angry person who backs up his claims with citations and years of experience in favor of the somewhat more friendly sounding person who is spewing a bunch of bullshit from his mouth. As far as virtualization being used for isolation, no it doesn't matter who introduced it, but when someone is going to argue with me that I am giving a bad example when my example was of a technical solution for tracing tor hidden services, which the other poster claims do not exist and then they continue to explain that in addition to using a bad example, I am actually WRONG about the trace taking place And then they continue to give a technically incorrect explanation of the security benefits of virtualization, which they know about because I explained them in a technically correct way in the first place I may let them know that they are wasting their breath