It is an example of a technical solution for tracing a hidden service isn't it? Application layer exploits are one of the main technical solutions for tracing Tor hidden services. Also, if you remember, I also gave links to three papers, one of which explains traffic analysis based attacks for deanonymizing Tor hidden services, two of which explain measurement and signals intelligence attacks for deanonymizing Tor hidden services, and I also gave a link to freehaven which has over a dozen papers discussing technical solutions for tracing hidden services from a variety of security disciplines. So I think my *abundance* of cited examples showing that there are various methods from various fields which can be used for tracing Tor hidden services is adequate. Seriously what the fuck else do you want to be convinced, I never could understand people that ignore abundances of evidence dumped in front of them or how I can convince them to change their mind about subjects if not by an abundance of documented research from world experts. No in this case the hidden services were not being run isolated in virtual machines, the servers were fully deanonymized and located in the united states. This is not the freedom hosting case, isolation protected them from deanonymization when they had virtual machines rooted. Anyway being in a VM in itself offers zero additional protection from application layer traces, you need to have network facing applications isolated in virtual machines away from external IP address and away from Tor. Also I was the first person to introduce this technique to the scene so please spare your breath trying to explain things to me that you indirectly learned from me anyway. Maybe. I certainly have issues with people spouting off a bunch of bullshit acting like they are experts about things they know nothing about. I also have serious issues when these same people ignore all evidence. These are dangerous people who will lull noobs into a false sense of security, people like this put others lives in serious danger and it pisses me off.