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If SR ever closes seller registration for good or for a prolonged period of time it is a huge flag to jump ship because if LE ever take over SR they may do the same thing to try to tilt the vendor/fed ratio to their favor. I don't say SR did this but just keep it in mind.

If you're curious about what you might be charged with for ordering drugs in the mail, I searched for news stories regarding this and came up with a few related cases.

  Snowmass Village man who 
received pot in mail pleads guilty
  http://preview.tinyurl.com/73gapgn

The post office workers noticed a suspicious smell coming from the torn package, that's why he was caught. He was charged with possession with the intent to distribute because he received several pounds of weed.

  Wilmington couple pleads in receipt of drugs through mail
  http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jz2dub

In this case, the couple was charged with distributing drugs because they sent a package to another location. It's important to disguise your address when possible.

  Over 25 pounds of pot found; 2 arrested
  http://preview.tinyurl.com/7pe6s6e

It seems that in this case somebody told the police that the package was going to be delivered. If you're going to order a mass amount of weed from a stranger, I would think twice. The two were charged with drug trafficking.

  Postal Service Delivery Lands Pitt County Man In Jail
  http://preview.tinyurl.com/8yrjp3h

This guy was charged with possession, possession of drug paraphernalia, and something to do with maintaining a drug den.

I also found out some strategies used to intercept packages, I don't know how useful this information is however.
 
  Party drugs popular with online shoppers
  http://preview.tinyurl.com/8x7tdgf

In Australia, the post office works with the police to find and intercept packages that are suspicious. They also monitor people as well.

International parcels with banned drugs caught at Delhi Post office
http://preview.tinyurl.com/8axhs32

In India they intercepted packages by observing writing patterns and looking for inconsistencies between the content of the packages and the destinations that they were going to.

This is why this forum needs an intelligence subforum, so we can search for stories like this as a community and pool our analytical skills together as well. Also for linking to technical papers on anonymity systems, law enforcement training documents and materials, etc. Not having an intelligence sub-forum is putting this community at a huge disadvantage. Why limit yourselves intentionally?

If you can point to some information online that cannot be picked to pieces by somebody else talking out their arsehole, than please point me in the right direction.

Sure I can point you to any number of things online that cannot be picked to pieces by somebody else talking out of their asshole. I mean, to an uninformed person these things could seem to be picked apart, but professionals regarding the subject would recognize bullshit for bullshit. See, there is such a thing as objectively true information, and it can usually be verified with citations to papers. There is also such aa thing as a disinformation campaign, and it is one of law enforcements inherent strategies, they want to keep targets using as shitty of techniques as possible. There are beyond any doubt what-so-ever at least a few law enforcement accounts here who are giving on purpose bad security suggestions and advice, and spreading general disinformation etc.

You dont know me and I dont know you. The whole anonymity thing all leads to talking out your areshole. He says she says LOL
but you won't get this in an exclusive advanced security sub forum? No no.. nobody will talk out their areshole there.

I don't know you but if you tell me 1 + 1 = 3 I can still verify that you are wrong. And if you say enough wrong things I can start to assume that you don't know what you are talking about. And if you say enough correct things, and prove they are correct by linking to papers or explaining your logic in an intelligent way, I will start to assume that other things you say are correct. I would like an advanced security forum for people who are consistently right, for one so that we can combat fed disinformation campaigns, for two so we can help secure everyone and for three so we can avoid people who think they know things but don't really (this sort of person is the most dangerous because even when they are corrected they rabidly defend themselves, even when evidence against them is presented). Also intelligence forum is for linking to law enforcement training materials, news stories about online drug trafficking (including busts so you can learn where others failed), etc. People on SR have a very limited perception of the scene, in reality there have been private drug forums using similar techniques for many years and there is a lot of history for new people to learn from and there have been operations against online vending operations to learn from and against participants to learn from. Also there is a true wealth of information to be learned by analysis of law enforcement training materials, case studies against cyber crime groups, etc. To not have a sub forum for the community to gather and analyze this information is just intentionally putting your community at a disadvantage. Private forums have had such sections for years now, SR kind of reminds me of a really old source forum with its layout and why are you going to let it evolve naturally when we already have found better ways ourselves? Learn where we were strong so you can be strong there also, SR has many advantages over the older forum model but don't just ignore all the good things about the private scene and OVDB learn from them.

Everybody talks out their arsehole. They key is to filter the shit to suit your needs.
There is perceived quality within this forum that suits my needs and none of your suggestions will make me feel any different.

People who talk out of their asshole should be restricted to a 'talk out of their asshole' security forum. Let's make a sub forum for people who actually know what they are talking about also, it will really be helpful. Maybe have some rules like if you can't back up what you say with a citation then don't say it unless you can demonstrate with clear logic that you are correct. Of course there is some level of subjectivity involved with anything, but I think we can still tell apart people who are clearly talking out of their assholes from people who are expert level but prefer different strategies or techniques than other experts. Argument of this sort is good for the community, argument about if you should use encryption at all or not is a waste of fucking time and it confuses noobs.

What... I am NOT part of some movement against the state and toward freedom??
Um freedom from what? You are free to do as you please already.

You are not but SR is and I am. I am sure others are as well. And if you are so free why do you need to use the same technology that is used by fucking Chinese dissidents to prevent yourself from being thrown into a fucking re-education center or prison if you are caught doing. You are not free, you only have the ability to resist your oppresion to the best of your abilities. My suggestion is to organize this group of people in such a way that we can more readily work as a community to further our abilities to resist our own oppression. SR has more potential than any other drug site has ever had but in many areas it is wasting its potential imo.

SR will evolve in its own time. As do all communities. Good luck pushing it into your little box of "quality"

What the fuck is OVDB?

Yes I have had a few beers.

edit spelt there arseholes instead of THEIR arseholes.. My bad
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SR will evolve on its own time, but it would be wise to learn from the online drug sourcing scene that came well before it and evolved for many years before it. I don't say that SR should be like the private scene or OVDB, I just STRONGLY URGE the powers that be here to consider learning from what we did and copying us where we found strength.

My number one suggestion is to add an intelligence forum where people can link to news stories regarding online drug trafficking, links to .pdf of law enforcement training manuals, shit like that. It comes in handy.

My second suggestion is to add an advanced security subforum and only let people who are not talking out of their assholes post in it, to help cut down on all of the pure misinformation that is present in many of the security threads.

My third suggestion is to start focusing on SR as a community and a network instead of SR as a commercial venture. Of course SR is a commercial venture and the admin should get paid, but if you want to be a customer of a website that organizes drug deals instead of part of a movement against the state and towards freedom then I really think you should have higher aspirations. This site has the potential to be so much more than a drug market place, it has the potential to get accurate security information in the hands of the people, it has the potential to be better than OVDB was in many areas IN ADDITION to being better than OVDB was at customer support etc. I think it is SR himself who needs to ask himself if he only see's SR as a commercial venture or if he wants to be part of something bigger and more powerful than that, because even though both can be done at the same time in some cases there will be conflicts of interest between what is best for the scene and what is best for the person who is running SR. I hope he can see that he is part of something bigger and make choices that aid the network, although I DO think him being paid for running the site is currently an aid to the scene because it makes the site self sustaining.

Pretty much what I am trying to say is, let's try to bring this forum up to the quality that OVDB was. No disrespect is meant towards this community when I say this, but I think it is apparent that the information regarding security and the network organization here is of a lower quality than was the case on OVDB. But SR has the potential to be even better because it CAN raise itself to that quality standard and it already has an audience of over a hundred thousand people. Don't waste the opportunity to help secure networks from the state on lining your pockets with bitcoins....do both simultaneously.

That ends my incoherent rambling for the day, just food for thought.

If you are in USA and have any schedule one other than weed intercepted the chances are very high that you will be doing at the minimum a few months locked up but much more likely you will get a few years. Don't fall into the cognitive trap of thinking that you are less of a target than you really are, your body fills a bed and your money will pay for court ordered rehabilitation classes etc just as much as the next guys. To a cop you are just another statistic to bump up their bust rating, fucking your life over is a game to them and they like to compete for the high score (of course imo we should start playing GTA )

Nobody thinks they are breaking serious laws until they are arrested it seems. People automatically minimize the extent of their crimes as compared to the exagerated version that the DEA will give. Don't be one of the idiots who only realizes that they are participating in a criminal network when camo and mask wearing paramilitary storm troopers smash their door down and sell them to the prison industrial complex. This is not hyperbole, I know several people who have been raided for getting drugs in the mail and in one case an order of LSD and ketamine for personal use resulted in a home being swarmed by feds with guns drawn. Remember that these are insane and evil people, you may realize that you are not a criminal but aas far as the law or LE cares you are the enemy you are a drug user a waste of life a sick person who needs to be forced into getting help so that your views line up with the states  (in China I think they call it re-education) , etc.

Stop thinking that your enemy is at all rational or logical (They wont send me to prison if I have packages intercepted they will just tell me to stop!), your enemy is dangerous and mentally ill and completely out of touch with reality.

SR cut the shit imo it is pretty obvious you are just looking for more money. Which is perfectly fine, running a site like SR is a full time job and it isn't worth it to do it for free. But you are going to do damage to the site by implementing this method of getting money. Because nobody is going to do bulk deals through the escrow system. I have seen deals for 10 grams of crystal LSD, hundreds of thousands of tablets, kilos of MDMA etc from legit vendors online, even on fairly well known drug forums. There is no way in fucking hell the people doing deals like that are going to risk losing to a reverse scammer. The risk has historically been on the customer and even though escrow is fine for small deals and really a good model, it ensures that there will never be bulk sellers. And many sellers with bulk don't want to be bothered changing to small orders either.

I suggest you tax big vendors on their orders, but don't make them risk losing out to reverse scammers.

BTW there is an open source bitcoin mix software being developed that is pretty cool, it decentralizes trust by requiring multiple nodes to sign off on the block chain (this is a little known feature built into the bitcoin spec, but that hasn't afaik been taken advantage of yet). This will allow for decentralized bitcoin mixes where no single mix operator can steal bitcoins from a client who uses it. It also uses blind signature mixing so protects from evil mix operators colluding together to deanonymize coin flows. It allows for mix nodes to charge a price for their services too. I think it will quickly turn into a commercial network of mixes when it is done and really be a great way to get truly anonymized bitcoins. But anyway the reason I bring this up is that apparently escrow can be decentralized and still in line with the bitcoin spec, because this software (Open Transactions...look it up) decentralizes trust with bitcoins in a mixing context. Soon I think people will automatically store their coins constantly mixing through a distributed trust network of mix nodes / addresses.

You know what you really should work on though, SR? Implementing more systems to protect from the feds doing name flooding attacks. They already have the software to aid in name flooding attacks, where small teams of agents aim to control many personas online to maximize human inteligence 'surface area' in pseudonymous networked environments. This is scary. The feds could easily mass register accounts and I am sure that they are doing this. Charging for seller accounts at least puts a price tag on the attack instead of making it essentially free to engage in. However, the feds have a lot of money to spend on intelligence sources so this isn't perfect protection by any means.

I think you should go with somewhat of a vendor recruitment strategy. You don't need a trust rank system like OVDB although a decentralized web of trust would be nice. But what I have been thinking of recently is using a blind signature system to verify the presence of people on a public drug discussion forum prior to some date in time. The logic with this is that public drug discussion forums have very large amounts of registered users with many years of history, and I think that the feds only recently started fucking with persona management software and name flooding attacks. The chances that the DEA has a lot of registered nyms on bluelight that registered in 2011 is a lot higher than the probability that they have a lot of bluelight accounts from 2009, although they probably do have some I don't think they mass registered that early. Some sort of system that can verify a persons account on bluelight while giving them anonymous credentials would be nice.

The verification can be done automatically by having the user submit the hash of a message they havn't made yet to the verification server and then giving the verification server the message hash and link it to the thread it will be put into. Since only the person with the account will know what they are going to post before they post it, the verification server can verify that they own the account in question.

Then the server can issue them a blind signature certificate that can be redeemed for a 'verified' credential on SR. Only allow people who were on public drug forums from some point in time a prior to get verified status. Now a verified user can prove that they were a member on a public drug discussion forum at some point in time, but they will still have a large crowd size to blend into, particularly if enough people use the system. This means their verified name wont be linkable to their name on the public drug discussion forum. The main reason you want to use blind signatures like this to create unlinkability and a large crowd size is to protect from having IP address records from public forums used to deanonymize users. If this were done, verified users would be in the crowd of everyone who obtained a blind signature (to the verification server) or the crowd of all public drug forum users (to any other potential attacker).

Of course being verified status would narrow you down to someone on one of the forums that can get verified status in this way, but people on those forums are already probably targets already, talking about illegal drug use openly I hope they all use Tor but I doubt it. If they all used Tor all the time when using bluelight it would be much easier to recruit and give them verified status lol. Not just bluelight though but also forums like drugs-forum uk etc. Really you could even verify people had nyms on other popular forums in the same way, to increase potential crowd size substantially and probably protect even more from nym flooding attacks (after all I bet DEA has more nyms on bluelight than they do on some random popular forum, on the other hand I bet more silk road users have accounts on bluelight than any other forum too so it goes both ways).

I think protecting from human intelligence name flooding attacks in as many ways as possible is the most important thing that needs to be focused on right now, we are on the verge of making huge progess in the communications / computer security / product transfer - interception detection / financial anonymity etc departments but the one place we are always going to be weak is human intelligence. And human intelligence has a lot of potential to do a lot of damage because once an infiltration or compromise takes place ALL of the nodes networked to the malicious one via the postal system that get packages from it are at serious risk of being compromised, and in the mid-distant future this is going to be the only way the feds have to keep intelligence flows on the scene going (especially once undetected interceptions are a thing of the past).

Quote from: kmfkewm on January 07, 2012, 08:25 pm

Quinone who the fuck elected you as the representative of the SR community?

I did, and i'm also the king of Candy Mountain.  Don'f fuck with us our you face a nuclear incursion of the Atomic Fireball sort

Quote from: kmfkewm on January 07, 2012, 08:25 pm

Why do you try to give more strength to your argument by acting like you speak for any number of people other than yourself? And if you
don't give a fuck what I say why do you waste the time to make a reply.

I waste my time to shut up fools and try and contribute my knowledge about drugs and drug distribution onto this forum that is here for drug knowledge and distribution.
I speak for the forum, not myself, foolish child.
Even a forum administrator told you to stop your trolling and yet you persist !

See how annoying this reply is to read?  That's what you do in all your posts.

Maybe you're purposefully trying to get people riled up cuz it makes you feel good or something.  That's ok, replying to your abysmally unintelligent comment's has given me an ego boost that not even Aakoven's MDMA can replicate (props to Aakoven btw, brought me back to the 90's for a few hours )

If my comments are so unintelligent why don't you argue against them instead of just talk shit? Is it because you have no ability to intelligently argue what-so-ever? Are my statements so inherently wrong that you can't be bothered to waste your time to argue against them (this is my favorite excuse from stupid people who 'feel' that I am wrong but have zero intelligent arguement against what I say). One admin somehow mistakenly saw my post as trolling when in reality it is my real view, and the owner of the entire SR is also an Agorist so I imagine he has somewhat similar views to mine.

Your mind has been poisoned by the state into such a state that you think they have any legitimacy. Which of my comments was so stupid, calling the DEA terrorists? Well, what is a terrorist? Is it someone who kills innocent people for political objectives? Well, that would include the DEA, they kill innocents all the time. The DEA and other agents of drug enforcement are directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths and enslavement of millions of people, and these deaths are caused by biological and chemical agents in many cases. In objective reality the DEA is engaging in a form of irregular warfare against large percentages of US citizens, they are utilizing novel payload delivery mechanisms to maliciously spread deadly chemical and biological materials. They are doing this purely for reasons of money, politics and religion. The victims of their vicious attacks are in many cases innocent of any objective crime.  Only your obscured view of a reality seen through the propaganda lenses government has sewn onto your eyes makes it seem like anything else is the case.

I really hate statists. I especially hate statists who are so fucking stupid that even though they themselves are criminals in the eyes of the government, people to be hunted down and imprisoned for causing no harm to others, simply to justify the violent redistribution of wealth and power from the people to the prison industrial industry and the elite class, and yet they still worship the state. I don't understand how you can have any degree of respect for the state or any of its agents, around the entire world they have caused enormous amounts of pain and suffering and yet people are still addicted to the concept. There is absolutely no requirement for government, and government is inherently banditry and those who violently enforce the supremacy of government over the inherent rights of the individual are in every sense equal to terrorists.

Since your youngest years you have been indoctrinated into thinking that government is as required for and inherent to humanity as the air you breathe, you have had so many pro-government cognitive traps conditioned into your mind by the mass media, religious, education etc systems (not to mention simple culture conditioning, which spreads from generation to generation like a genetic virus) that as soon as you even hear the idea of government (especially your special government) being anything other than the holy saviors of the people (who they are imprisoning, killing, sending to die and stealing from) your mind literally shuts itself down and triggers the conditioned responses. It is truly a fucking pathetic sight to see humans who have been reduced to salvating dogs, but I don't particularly hold it against you, and I hope that one day you can also open your eyes to the human cancer that is government and try to help other enlightened beings struggle against them. After all, that is more or less the Agorist manifesto, and last I checked SR was an Agorist community.