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Quote from: kmfkewm on October 20, 2012, 10:09 pm

I can't believe people ever thought it was a better idea to get packages to their houses than to get packages to locations that can be dropped and can't be tied to them.

i have an issue with this i'd like to address, and i hope kmfkewm gives me his take on this.

if they intercept a package heading to a p.o box/similar service, i'd assume they could do a stakeout. if nailed, you'd then get charged with fraud and what kind of plausible deniability would you have against the alleged drug charges? assuming he is from the USA, he's innocent until proven guilty if that package just gets left on his doorstep and he makes no claims or actions to signify his acceptance or expectance of the contraband. how would using a p.o box be any safer?

If you would rather have your name and address on a list of felony drug importers and get threatening letters from the DEA than risk getting an additional mail fraud charge when you are busted for drug importation, be my guest.

Yep this is a very good point!! Also some PO box do not allow for mail that needs to be signed for...Obviously its best if you can use another location for your drop but like mentioned, believe it or not even if you get caught signing for illegal goods its not enough in court need to be busted reselling the drugs which is a huge operation and better be a large amount of product!! Also when using your own name and location depends where you live.. same mailman everyday, etc.. many factors but bottom line is.... Only you know what is the envelope so why sweat it??? I mean I do sweat it lol if packs don't show after super extended periods of time but like I said, in the long run not too worried cause I have a good lawyer and knowledge to lay low and clear house if case ever be!!

FALSE. As soon as you accept the package you will be arrested. They don't need to wait for you to resell anything. They probably don't even need to wait for you to accept the package, but they tend to try and get you to sign for it and open it.

you can use out of state ID to get a box, although it may make you somewhat more susceptible to intelligence gathering operations

I think I don't care if the feds run SR as long as they don't close registration for new vendors. If I were DPR I would want SR to be using Tor via Tor. I would also keep an almost entirely clean house and use a laptop without a hard drive, with my GPG keys and such stored on some remote servers so I can have remote persistence. Good luck getting him then. 

There are three things to take from this.

1. Encrypt your address with GPG. It is very possible that the people getting letters were identified because their addresses were sitting in plaintext on the TFM server, or plaintext on the computers of vendors.

2. Vendors, it is vitally important for you to wipe all traces of address information when you are done with it.

3. Get shit sent to boxes that are not connected to you. Fake ID and private mail box is one strategy. People have discussed abandoned buildings, homeless shelters. Less scrupulous people will do a bit of surveillance on a random house to see if the owners are home when the mail comes, get shit shipped to them and intercept the pack before they check their mail. There are a lot of techniques and all have advantages and disadvantages, but here we can see one of the biggest benefits: if shit hits the fan and the feds get an address it will not be your address. The only way they will get you at this point is doing surveillance on the box and watching you pick up. History has shown us time and time again that this doesn't always happen in the case of interceptions, sometimes you get a love letter, sometimes you get a warning letter like this, sometimes the pack just never arrives and a postal inspector knocks on your door a few weeks later, sometimes it says right on the tracking that the feds intercepted your shit! Having an anonymous shipping location is your last layer of defense and in this case we can clearly see that it worked to the advantage of the people doing it, and that not using anonymous shipping locations worked to the disadvantage of the people who didn't use them.

I can't believe people ever thought it was a better idea to get packages to their houses than to get packages to locations that can be dropped and can't be tied to them.

Just heard that at least some people who ordered drugs from the farmers market have gotten cease and desist letters from the DEA informing them that if they continue to order scheduled substances they will be arrested. In a way that is a good sign for them, it means they probably are not going to be arrested for having ordered substances from the farmers market. I bet they wish they used fake ID boxes, it is a safe bet that their mail is going to be watched if anyone has their mail watched. This clearly highlights one of the advantages of using fake ID boxes...none of them had DEA visit them but clearly the boxes they used are known to DEA and thus if they used real boxes they are now known to the DEA as illegal drug buyers.

Doxing bypasses your personal discretion and safety measures.

Doxing has shit all to do with this

it isn't possible to fix it