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Exactly my point. Some site members (kmfkewm im speakin' to you bro) believe that these LE agents shouldn't just be fired - they should be tried and executed as criminals themselves. But the thing is that what they are doing is totally legal within the definitions we allow ourselves right now. We could split hairs on how a constitution is interpreted but whatever the outcome of that debate, a case could be made for justifying what is happening.

How about this system. We have a vote for legalizing the killing of all remaining drug enforcement agents. As it approaches the magical 50.0000001 percent margin of passing, drug enforcement officials will quickly start to retire and we can solve the drug war problem with less than 50% of the vote! Hell even at 10% I think DEA agents will start to just think twice. Then when we have officially legalized killing drug law enforcement officials , those remaining will die. Perfectly legal!

it doesn't seem very just to me though. We cannot just excuse the crimes committed by those who abandoned their cause when they saw it would fail. They still ruined real peoples lives and for this they must be held accountable. How about in our new legal framework we pass a law saying that people who oppress others will not be protected by the law? Since being lawful or not seems to matter to you so much. What if a society exists where it is lawful to rape babies? I imagine you will be the first one defending the rapists and preaching the merits of law and order over justice and peace. 

My point is that our politicians are a reflection of us, more specifically, of who vote and demand to be heard.

You are blinded by an idealistic image. What happened first, did the average man dislike drug use or did the government create propaganda demonizing drug use? Our politicians are no reflection of us, we are a clay sculpture molded into whatever they want us to be.

Rothbard, huh?

His theories are all nice and fine, but I bet you shit on them when your house is on fire and not a firefighter in sight because you live in a not-so-profitable area no private fire department wants to serve...

Yes much better for us to hire some armed men to steal money from others for us (for a cut to them!) so that we can fund a million dollar fire department for buttfuck nowhere population ten people.

Being forced to go to AA or NA is pretty standard here if you get in trouble for anything even remotely related to drugs or alcohol.

seriously totally not the christian God. The 12 step prayer may be BASED on a prayer to Jesus but they totally modified it and now it is religion neutral (it can be any God after all ... well provided it is a single male God).

God, give us grace to accept with serenity
the things that cannot be changed,
courage to change the things
which should be changed,
and the wisdom to distinguish
the one from the other.
Living one day at a time,
Enjoying one moment at a time,
Accepting hardship as a pathway to peace,
Taking, as Jesus did,
This sinful world as it is,
Not as I would have it,
Trusting that You will make all things right,
If I surrender to Your will,
So that I may be reasonably happy in this life,
And supremely happy with You forever in the next.
Amen.

of course we also have the good old Lords prayer, another primary feature of 12 step meetings!

    "Our Father in heaven,
    hallowed be your name.
    Your kingdom come,
    your will be done,
    on earth as it is in heaven.
    Give us this day our daily bread,
    and forgive us our debts,
    as we also have forgiven our debtors.
    And lead us not into temptation,
    but deliver us from evil."

Some straight up scientifically proven anti addiction medicine right there. There is NO OTHER CURE to addiction (ie: having used drugs ever). Nothing works at all except turning your life over to JEBUS HALLELUJAH AMEN LAWDY LAWDY.  Of course there ARE competing ideas to cures for addiction, I have heard from reliable sources that turning your life over to THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY and paying them to audit away all of the frozen volcano alien souls implanted in you by LORD XENU (the one male alien supreme lord of the universe)  to cause your addictive ways can also work, but I am not sure how many steps NARCONON has.

They are not supposed to talk about religion in those meetings but a lot of dumb asses really ruin it by getting all obsessed with saving everyone and talking about Jesus and scaring new people off.

Not supposed to talk about religion in the meeting? Just save it until the end when they say

"God, grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
and wisdom to know the difference."

Of course this is not the Christian God but merely God as you understand Him so that makes it okay. Because there is one God. And it is a male God. But it is The one male God as you understand capital h im. Not the Christian God. 

Put dryer sheets at both ends of an empty toilet paper roll or another cylindrical object with holes on both sides and exhale your smoke through that. It'll both catch meth particles and refresh the bad smell into a new one. I prefer Downy Lavender Serenity sheets myself

Also works well for reducing the smell of smoked marijuana, although it is not perfect as some smoke still leaves from the pipe and isn't sanitized .

warning: rambling alert

The honest truth of the matter is that low latency anonymity networks are just not very good at providing anonymity, and they are even worse at providing anonymity for hidden services. Here is one thing worth mentioning that not many people realize: when accessing a hidden service it is theoretically possible for a single malicious node to deanonymize you. When accessing the clearnet, it is not possible for a single Tor node to deanonymize you. Allow me to elaborate:

this is what the path from the hidden services perspective looks like:

Hidden Service <-> HS Entry <-> HS Middle <-> HS Final

This is what the path from the clients perspective looks like:

Client <-> Client Entry <-> Client Middle <-> Client Final (rendezvous)

giving us this:

 Client <-> Client Entry <-> Client Middle <-> Client Final (rendezvous) <-> HS Final <-> HS Middle <-> HS Entry <-> Hidden Service

HS entry is capable of determining if it is an entry node for the hidden service simply by sending the hidden services  a specifically modulated stream through Tor and looking to see if it relays a stream with this modulation after sending it. Additionally, there is nothing preventing HS Entry and Client Entry from being the same exact node. If they are, then the node operator can link the client and hidden service with an end to end timing attack. When a client accesses the clearnet this is not possible

Client <-> Client Entry <-> Client Middle <-> Client Exit <-> Website

as the client selects the entire path it will avoid using the same node for entry and exit. Additionally, it will entirely avoid using nodes from the same family. Thus, clients connecting to hidden services can theoretically be deanonymized by an active attacker with a single node, but clients accessing the clearnet cannot be deanonymized by an active attacker with less than two nodes (traffic fingerprinting attacks aside).

This is not to say that clients are better off accessing clearnet websites though. Accessing hidden services gives a big advantage in that it makes it more difficult for an arbitrary attacker to position themselves so that they can eavesdrop on traffic to the hidden service. This probably makes doing end to end timing attacks more difficult in the end, even though it does open up the possibility of a single node carrying out an end point timing attack the probability of this being possible to carry out against a large number of clients is small (although it is very likely that some of the clients connecting to such a popular site as SR, are indeed using at least one of the same entry guards as SR is, making them vulnerable to the single node attack I mentioned)

I feel like I have strayed from the point I originally set out to make, but only to illustrate a point about hidden service connections that I think many people do not realize (that they are weak to single active node attacks, unlike connections to the regular internet). Back to the point though, using low latency anonymity techniques only can afford so much anonymity. The goal of an anonymity network is to prevent an attacker who can see Alice from determining who Alice communicates with. Likewise, the anonymity network attempts to prevent an attacker who can communicate with Bob from determining who Bob actually is. There are a variety of techniques used to accomplish this goal. Networks like Tor rely on an attacker having only being able to view a small portion of traffic on the network. They protect anonymity entirely by preventing an attacker from watching the traffic leaving from Alice AND the traffic arriving to the person Alice is communicating with, or the traffic arriving at Bob if they are the people communicating with Bob. Tor attempts to do this by having a very large geographically diverse network of volunteer operated nodes.   

Once the attacker can see the traffic at both ends of a connection, the communicating parties are deanonymized. Unfortunately for Tor and similar networks, tracing communicating parties to their entry guards has proven to be a somewhat trivial task, particularly (although not exclusively) in the case of hidden services. Once a target is traced to its entry guards, deanonymizing it is simply a matter of obtaining logs from the entry guard (either actively or passively) . The situation is equally grim in the case of Alice who uses Tor to visit a website, with the trace starting at Alice rather than the website (in some situations the trace starts at one end, in other situations it starts at the other). If Alice visits honeypot.com which is run by the FBI, they will immediately be able to deanonymize her if they are already monitoring the traffic from her (traffic confirmation). Tor prevents traffic analysis, it does not and cannot prevent traffic confirmation. Even if Alice is visiting notahoneypot.com and the FBI gets logs from it, they can immediately determine that Alice is visiting notahoneypot.com if they are already monitoring her traffic. Tor is really meant for the specific situation in which the feds gather logs from (nota)honeypot.com  and they have not yet been able to determine that Alice is someone they are interested in (traffic analysis). Unfortunately even when it comes to traffic analysis Tor leaves a lot to be desired, as mentioned earlier the feds could very well just run several entry nodes and wait until a client that visits (nota)honeypot.com uses them.

I don't mean to sound like I am fear mongering, really I do like Tor and I recognize that it provides a lot of anonymity working in the low latency framework that it does. I just also recognize that it is somewhat of a toy compared to high latency anonymity solutions. In a high latency mix network, an attacker can watch Alice send traffic and they can watch that traffic arrive at its destination. Still they are incapable of linking the traffic. In fact in some high latency designs the attacker is capable of watching Alice send a message, passively AND largely (but only partially) actively watching Alice's message on its path all the way to it arriving at her correspondents IP address, and still they cannot link Alice to her correspondent. In some high latency systems, the attacker can send a message to Bob, follow the message all the way to the point that it is delivered to Bob's IP address, and still they cannot determine that Bob's IP address is linked to Bob the pseudonym they communicate with. Comparing high and low latency networks is somewhat apples and oranges, but the difference in the anonymity guarantees between them is extremely massive. I do not believe that low latency networks, including Tor, will continue to hold up to focused attacks. I do believe that a lot of the success of these networks is due to a lack of technical competence on the part of those who wish to attack them. I believe that Tor will continue to provide some degree of anonymity, particularly to people who use it for a very brief period of time before discontinuing its use. It will also continue to provide anonymity to people who desire anonymity but who do not have significant attackers (ie: abusive boy friends, not federal police). But I also strongly believe that it is not the appropriate tool to be using for things upon which your freedom depends. I do believe that currently it will work for these purposes, but I do not think it is the strength of Tor protecting you but rather the weakness of your enemies.