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Quote from: CaptainMal on November 15, 2012, 01:53 am

you should NOT give a signature!  no vendor that i know of would EVER send a package requiring signature (or not without at least stating so in advance ... and even then, i don't know of any who would do that).

DO NOT SIGN FOR IT.

I do it all the time! A lot of my customers request tracking. If you were in trouble it wouldn't be the postman at your door asking for a signature, it would be the cops. I wouldn't worry about it mate. Unless it's a massive package, customs are just going to bin it.

You are a shitty vendor then. You also have obviously never done any research about how controlled deliveries go down. Here is a hint, it is a cop dressed as a postman.

Here is a thought experiment for you. I would like you to tell me which of two groups (group A or group B) is more free. The two groups each consist of thirty people. They live in separate remote regions of the earth and are to determine the legality of the chemical substance DHMO.

Group A is told by armed men that if they do not vote to make DHMO a controlled substance, they will be killed. Some of them are beaten severely prior to the voting taking place, as a testament to the serious nature of the anti DHMO force. They are then allowed to vote on the status of DHMO, although the anti DHMO thugs stand guard at the polling stations and they wave pistols at those going to vote telling them that they had better make the correct choice.

Group B is not threatened physically, however leading up to the vote they are given the following pamphlets that I will quote for you soon. These pamphlets are distributed to them through their community schools, and their local television and radio stations are keen to discuss some of the mentioned points in a dramatic fashion. Some of their elected leaders, who they have always thought to trust, have also expressed their support of the ban on DHMO for the reasons given in the pamphlet. Even their religious leaders have expressed their dislike of DHMO. They are not threatened in the slightest and are free to vote as they please. Here is the pamphlet:

Should I be concerned about Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Yes, you should be concerned about DHMO! Although the U.S. Government and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) do not classify Dihydrogen Monoxide as a toxic or carcinogenic substance (as it does with better known chemicals such as hydrochloric acid and benzene), DHMO is a constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful.    

   Research conducted by award-winning U.S. scientist Nathan Zohner concluded that roughly 86 percent of the population supports a ban on dihydrogen monoxide. Although his results are preliminary, Zohner believes people need to pay closer attention to the information presented to them regarding Dihydrogen Monoxide. He adds that if more people knew the truth about DHMO then studies like the one he conducted would not be necessary.

A similar study conducted by U.S. researchers Patrick K. McCluskey and Matthew Kulick also found that nearly 90 percent of the citizens participating in their study were willing to sign a petition to support an outright ban on the use of Dihydrogen Monoxide in the United States.
Why haven't I heard about Dihydrogen Monoxide before?
Good question. Historically, the dangers of DHMO, for the most part, have been considered minor and manageable. While the more significant dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are currently addressed by a number of agencies including FDA, FEMA and CDC, public awareness of the real and daily dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide is lower than some think it should be.
Critics of government often cite the fact that many politicians and others in public office do not consider Dihydrogen Monoxide to be a "politically beneficial" cause to get behind, and so the public suffers from a lack of reliable information on just what DHMO is and why they should be concerned.       Part of the blame lies with the public and society at large. Many do not take the time to understand Dihydrogen Monoxide, and what it means to their lives and the lives of their families.

Unfortunately, the dangers of DHMO have increased as world population has increased, a fact that the raw numbers and careful research both bear out. Now more than ever, it is important to be aware of just what the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are and how we can all reduce the risks faced by ourselves and our families.
What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:
   

    Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
    Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
    Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
    DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
    Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
    Contributes to soil erosion.
    Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
    Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
    Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
    Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
    Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
    Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
    Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

What are some uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Despite the known dangers of DHMO, it continues to be used daily by industry, government, and even in private homes across the U.S. and worldwide. Some of the well-known uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:

    as an industrial solvent and coolant,
    in nuclear power plants,
    by the U.S. Navy in the propulsion systems of some older vessels,
    by elite athletes to improve performance,
    in the production of Styrofoam,
    in biological and chemical weapons manufacture,
    in the development of genetically engineering crops and animals,
    as a spray-on fire suppressant and retardant,
    in so-called "family planning" or "reproductive health" clinics,
    as a major ingredient in many home-brewed bombs,
    as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion in furnaces and air conditioning compressor operation,
    in cult rituals,
    by the Church of Scientology on their members and their members' families (although surprisingly, many members recently have contacted DHMO.org to vehemently deny such use),
    by both the KKK and the NAACP during rallies and marches,
    by members of Congress who are under investigation for financial corruption and inappropriate IM behavior,
    by  kids who play Beyblades,
    by the clientele at a number of bath houses in New York City and San Francisco,
    historically, in Hitler's death camps in Nazi Germany, and in prisons in Turkey, Serbia, Croatia, Libya, Iraq and Iran,
    in World War II prison camps in Japan, and in prisons in China, for various forms of torture,
    during many recent religious and ethnic wars in the Middle East,
    by many terrorist organizations including al Qaeda,
    in community swimming pools to maintain chemical balance,
    in day care centers, purportedly for sanitary purposes,
    by software engineers, including those producing DICOM software and other DICOM software tools,
    by popular computer science professors,
    by the semi-divine King Bhumibol of Thailand and his many devoted young working girls in Bangkok,
    by the British Chiropractic Association and the purveyors of the bogus treatments that the BCA promotes,
    by commodities giant Trafigura in their well-publicized and widely-known toxic-waste dumping activities in Ivory Coast,
    in animal research laboratories, and
    in pesticide production and distribution.

What you may find surprising are some of the products and places where DHMO is used, but which for one reason or another, are not normally made part of public presentations on the dangers to the lives of our family members and friends. Among these startling uses are:

    as an additive to food products, including jarred baby food and baby formula, and even in many soups, carbonated beverages and supposedly "all-natural" fruit juices
    in cough medicines and other liquid pharmaceuticals,
    in spray-on oven cleaners,
    in shampoos, shaving creams, deodorants and numerous other bathroom products,
    in bathtub bubble products marketed to children,
    as a preservative in grocery store fresh produce sections,
    in the production of beer by all the major beer distributors,
    in the coffee available at major coffee houses in the US and abroad,
    in Formula One race cars, although its use is regulated by the Formula One Racing Commission, and
    as a target of ongoing NASA planetary and stellar research.

   

One of the most surprising facts recently revealed about Dihydrogen Monoxide contamination is in its use as a food and produce "decontaminant." Studies have shown that even after careful washing, food and produce that has been contaminated by DHMO remains tainted by DHMO.
What is the link between Dihydrogen Monoxide and school violence?
   A recent stunning revelation is that in every single instance of violence in our country's schools, including infamous shootings in high schools in Denver and Arkansas, Dihydrogen Monoxide was involved. In fact, DHMO is often very available to students of all ages within the assumed safe confines of school buildings. None of the school administrators with which we spoke could say for certain how much of the substance is in use within their very hallways.
How does Dihydrogen Monoxide toxicity affect kidney dialysis patients?
Unfortunately, DHMO overdose is not unheard of in patients undergoing dialysis treatments for kidney failure. Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose in these patients can result in congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema and hypertension. In spite of the danger of accidental overdose and the inherent toxicity of DHMO in large quantities for this group, there is a portion of the dialysis treated population that continues to use DHMO on a regular basis.
Are there groups that oppose a ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide?
In spite of overwhelming evidence, there is one group in California that opposes a ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide. The Friends of Hydrogen Hydroxide is a group that believes that the dangers of DHMO have been exaggerated. Members claim that Dihydrogen Monoxide, or the less emotionally charged and more chemically accurate term they advocate for it, "Hydrogen Hydroxide," is beneficial, environmentally safe, benign and naturally occurring. They argue that efforts to ban DHMO are misguided.

Friends of Hydrogen Hydroxide is supported by the Scorched Earth Party, a radical and loosely-organized California-based group. Sources close to the Scorched Earth Party deny any outside funding from government, industry or pro-industry PACs.
   
Has the press ignored this web site and the Dihydrogen Monoxide problem?
For the most part, the press has not reported on the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide as much as some would like. Although many private individuals have put up web sites in a major grassroots effort to spread the word, major publications have not.

Recently, attention has been paid to the subject thanks to an incident in Aliso Viejo, California.  This so-called Aliso Viejo Incident was widely reported in the media, although the director of DHMO.org, Dr. Tom Way, was called a "prankster."  Once the Associated Press started circulating the story, it became fact, and the valuable information being provided by the DHMO.org website was deemed to be "rubbish" rather than an honest and unbiased recounting of facts about a dangerous, life-endangering chemical compound.

If you are a member of the press, you may access our online Press Kit.  See the main page for access information.  This resource is for members of the press only.

 
Is it true that using DHMO improves athletic performance?
Absolutely! With the numerous allegations of amateur and professional athletes using anabolic steroids and/or blood doping to enhance performance, virtually no attention has been paid to the performance enhancing properties of Dihydrogen Monoxide. It is perhaps the sporting world's dirtiest of dirty little secrets that athletes regularly ingest large quantities of DHMO in an effort to gain a competitive edge over an opponent.

One technique commonly used by endurance athletes in sports such as distance running and cycling is to take a large amount of DHMO immediately prior to a race. This is known within racing circles to dramatically improve performance.

Sports-medicine physicians warn that ingesting too much Dihydrogen Monoxide can lead to complications and unwanted side-effects, but do acknowledge the link to improved performance. DHMO is not currently considered a banned substance, so post-race urine tests do not detect elevated or abnormal levels of DHMO.
Can using DHMO improve my marriage?
   This is a popular myth, but one which is also actually supported by a number of scientific facts. Dihydrogen Monoxide plays an instrumental role in the centers of the brain associated with feelings of emotional attachment and love. Married couples have found that regular ingestion of DHMO can improve their marriage-related activities, while couples that never ingest DHMO often find that their marriage suffers as well.
What are the symptoms of accidental Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose?
You may not always recognize that you have been a victim of accidental DHMO overdose, so here are some signs and symptoms to look for. If you suspect Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose, or if you exhibit any of these symptoms, you should consult with your physician or medical practitioner. The data presented here is provided for informational purposes only, and should in no way be construed as medical advice of any sort.
   
Watch for these symptoms:

    Excessive sweating
    Excessive urination
    Bloated feeling
    Nausea
    Vomiting
    Electrolyte imbalance
    Hyponatremia (serum hypotonicity)
    Dangerously imbalanced levels of ECF and ICF in the blood
    Degeneration of sodium homeostasis

A recently noted medical phenomenon involves small amounts of DHMO leaking or oozing from the corners of the eyes as a direct result of causes such as foreign particulate irritation, allergic reactions including anaphylactic shock, and sometimes severe chemical depression.
What is a chemical analysis of Dihydrogen Monoxide
Recently, German analytical chemist Christoph von Bueltzingsloewen at the Universitaet Regensburg identified what may be key reasons why the dangers of DHMO are ever present. According to von Bueltzingsloewen, the chemical separation of dihydrogenoxide from the hazardous oxygendihydride is extremely difficult. The two similar compounds curiously occur in nearly equimolar distribution wherever they are found. It is not clear how the two contribute directly to the dangers inherent in Dihydrogen Monoxide, although von Bueltzingsloewen believes that a synergetic mechanism, catalyzed by traces of hydrogenhydroxide, plays a major role.    
What can I do to minimize the risks?
Fortunately, there is much you can do to minimize your dangers due to Dihydrogen Monoxide exposure. First, use common sense. Whenever you are dealing with any product or food that you feel may be contaminated with DHMO, evaluate the relative danger to you and your family, and act accordingly. Keep in mind that in many instances, low-levels of Dihydrogen Monoxide contamination are not dangerous, and in fact, are virtually unavoidable. Remember, the responsibility for your safety and the safety of your family lies with you.

Second, exercise caution when there is the potential for accidental inhalation or ingestion of DHMO. If you feel uncomfortable, remove yourself from a dangerous situation. Better safe than sorry.

Third, don't panic. Although the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are very real, by exercising caution and common sense, you can rest assured knowing that you are doing everything possible to keep you and your family safe.
How can I find out more about Dihydrogen Monoxide?
We would be happy to tell you more about DHMO! Send us email at director_at_dhmo_dot_org, and we'll gladly attempt to keep you up-to-date on current developments in the study of Dihydrogen Monoxide, its uses and misuses.

There are a number of sites on the world wide web that contain more information on DHMO and related topics. It should be noted that we do not endorse these sites, nor do we control their content or political bias.

Please tell me which of these two groups is free ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netwar

I still vote in favor of gunning him down with a remote controlled helicopter.

No, the Nazi's knew what they were doing was wrong. That's why they kept it secret from their own population. Killing people is fundamentally wrong, we all know that.

So it was fundamentally wrong for the USA to kill Nazis in order to free the Jews from concentration camps? See, the fact that your logic boils down to "It was wrong to go to war with the Nazis" is what makes me equate you with a Nazi apologist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Holocaust

Debate also continues on how much average Germans knew about the Holocaust. Recent historical work suggests that the majority of Germans knew that Jews were being indiscriminately killed and persecuted but they did not know about the Final Solution and the specifics of the death camps. Robert Gellately, a historian at Oxford University, conducted a widely respected survey of the German media before and during the war, concluding that there was "substantial consent and active participation of large numbers of ordinary Germans" in aspects of the Holocaust, and documenting that the sight of columns of slave laborers were common, and that the basics of the concentration camps, if not the extermination camps, were widely known.[8] The German scholar, Peter Longerich, in a study looking at what Germans knew about the mass murders concluded that: "General information concerning the mass murder of Jews was widespread in the German population."[9]

Second of all, it is a lie to claim that the German population was not aware of the Holocaust and indeed it is a disgraceful thing to claim. It shows your ignorance quite nicely though. Do you think that the German population was not aware of Kristallnacht? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

Do you think that the average Germans did not realize that Jewish people were disappearing? What do you think they thought happened to them?! Cities near extermination camps were filled with the stench of burning and decaying human flesh for fucks sake, it was obvious the people going to work camps were being exterminated.

Third of all the Nazis DID NOT think that what they were doing was wrong. Why the fuck would they even do it if they thought it was wrong? People do not freely carry out actions that they believe to be wrong. The Nazis did not even consider the Jewish population to be humans, they literally thought that Jews had evolved from cockroaches! They thought that the Jews were evil and polluting their race and culture and that the extermination of the Jews was not only righteous but was required for the continued existence of the Aryans. They most certainly , beyond any doubt at all, thought that they were doing the morally correct thing by exterminating the Jews. A large percentage of the German population supported Hitler, he got 30.1% of the democratic vote, in the second period of voting he obtained 36.8 percent of the vote losing to Hindenburg and his 49.6 percent of the vote. http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0403a.asp
Hitler was legally made a dictator under German law. He was appointed chancellor by the democratically elected leader of Germany, he had the support of well over a quarter of the population of Germany.   

Furthermore, The German citizens were aware of abuses against the Jews, they were aware that the Jews were being taken to work camps, and they could smell the burning and decaying human flesh from the work camps! You are just entirely and totally wrong and you show the above quote from you shows your total ignorance.

That's what makes Nazi's killing Jews absolutely incomparable to the DEA's war on drugs. I feel I have to add moderation to your radical views:
The Nazi's pretty much did whatever they wanted. There weren't any checks and balances to their tyranny, they ruled through fear and their decisions were absolute.

The Nazis came to power through democratic and legal means, although Hitler came in second place with only 30.1% of the population voting for him he was made chancellor by the democratically elected leader of Germany and had significant support from German society.

The current government rules through fear as well. Have you never heard of refeer madness? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_Madness . This is merely one example of propaganda, and today the propaganda STILL EXISTS it has only morphed with the times as the old propaganda is now entirely obvious to the current generation of people. Now we get lies like "Even though refeer madness was bullshit (implied, never said), the marijuana of today is over twice as potent as the marijuana of old times, so now it is really actually totally bad!!!" (this study of course compared marijuana that had been confiscated and put into storage DECADES ago with freshly produced marijuana, and it also ignores any possibility that consumption habits have changed as well!). What about their blatantly made up propaganda showing brainwaves of a user under the influence of marijuana going flat, oh yeah that was proven to be completely made up and the monitor was not even real! What about their studies of MDMA on the brain when they 'accidentally' used meth at large doses instead of MDMA? The list goes on and on and on! Do you think that refeer madness was intended as a joke?! No, this was the information that was made available to the people! It was presented as truth! How is it not ruling by fear, to use your power to lie to the people and convince them that marijuana leads to insanity and the rape of white females? Do you think that any of their other misinformation campaigns actually intend to deliver the truth to the people, so that the people can make informed decisions?! No, they lie to and manipulate the people and their foolish and naive inherent trust of government. There is no democracy without an informed population, and there is not an informed population when the ELITIST RULERS first BRAINWASH the population with LIES AND PROPAGANDA that STRONGLY INFLUENCE the population towards doing things that support the ELITIST AGENDA. This is RULING WITH FEAR just as much as having Nazi storm troopers walking around beating opponents is ruling through fear! The details of the implementation are the only things which have changed!

The DEA has to answer to a government overlord that is comprised of elected people. As societal values change, laws will change (a shout out to anyone living in Washington or Colorado - You guys go man!)

Go to the base of the problem. You are stuck at "The government is comprised of elected people". You cannot go lower, to the fact that the elected people are put into power by BRAINWASHED PEOPLE. These people have been BRAINWASHED BY THE GOVERNMENT. You are stuck looking at a facade as if it is real, I encourage you to look deeper and see the truth. Societal values are extraordinarily largely influenced by government and religious propaganda! There is no separation of these things, it is entirely dishonest for you to claim that the governments actions reflect the will of the people, the will of the people reflects the propaganda and demonstrable lies of the government! Laws and propaganda came PRIOR to drugs being made illegal, look at fucking history for proof that what I am saying is correct.

The Nazi's made laws to suit themselves
The DEA must adhere to laws not made by themselves

For starters, the DEA has the ability to arbitrarily make substances illegal, and indeed they regularly use this power. Second of all, there are never votes on making drugs illegal.

When Nazi's killed people it was systematic, organized, efficient and secret
When the DEA kills people (and I'm not denying that that has happened), it is open to investigation, an open court system and a free press. The fact that you even know about botched DEA raids where innocent people have died is testament to an open society

The DEA systematically imprisons people, systematically robs people and occasionally murders people. Investigation against law enforcement is a fucking joke, are you trying to be funny? Also, the holocaust was openly known about to the German population, as I showed before, so this point is nullified.

Finally, no one person or organization could rein in the Nazi's. It took all of the western world along with the Soviet Union and every fuckin tank, airplane and soldier they had to stop those guys
The DEA can be disbanded by an act of congress.

The DEA and congress are good friends, the people are brainwashed by both into thinking that they need both. As I said before, the details of the implementation of totalitarianism have changed, not the facts.

Are you mad at one cop or are you mad at the institution which he represents? Although I cannot blame you for wanting to kill a cop, I encourage you to think about being as effective as possible at doing damage to those who oppress you.

Quote from: kmfkewm on November 11, 2012, 05:04 am

Quote from: UltimateSolution on November 10, 2012, 02:26 pm

Why not focus on compensating the victims rather than punishing people just doing their jobs?

Should humanity have focused on compensating the living Jews rather than punishing the Nazi war criminals who were just doing their jobs? A job is not an excuse for any crime! How brainwashed you must be to think any other way! If I give a person the job of killing DEA agents, will you support him as much as you support the DEA agents? They are both only doing their jobs. Clearly just doing a job is not the real excuse you have for them, I ask you to give some thought to the real reason you have for excusing the crimes of this terrorist organization.

They genuinely believe that what they are doing is right. Nobody should be punished, ever. It's counterproductive. If we all keep trying to punish each other the cycle will never stop. Seriously, you remind me of the US government: "We are going to travel half way across the world to another country and invade them, it's for their own good, it's for their own freedom" If everyone involved in war just refused to fight, there would never be another war, ever. It's simpler than you think.

When one side of a war doesn't fight they will be eternally victimized. That is the reality of the world, not your peace and love idealism.