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Cool, STILL not a Security issue. Since there is no science section, take it to Off topic. Quit bumping this shit to the top of this forum.

But it totally is a security issue! Not only does it provide us with the same security guarantees as the Chinese militaries quantum entanglement system, but it works across any distance!

Look at how much trouble the Chinese went to when all they needed to do was use molested children hooked up to systems that monitor for levels of stress hormone, and systems that quickly flash CP on monitors in patterns set by an observer watching the CP:

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/129246-chinese-physicists-achieve-quantum-teleportation-over-60-miles

Hold onto your seats: Chinese physicists are reporting that they’ve successfully teleported photonic qubits (quantum bits) over a distance of 97 kilometers (60mi). This means that quantum data has been transmitted from one point to another, without passing through the intervening space.

Now, before you get too excited, we’re still a long, long way off Willy-Wonka-Mike-Teevee-style teleportation. It’s important to note that the Chinese researchers haven’t actually made a photon disappear and reappear 100 kilometers away; rather, they’ve used quantum entanglement to recreate the same qubit in a new location, with the same subatomic properties as the original qubit. The previous record for transmitting entangled qubits was 16 kilometers, performed by another Chinese team back in 2010.

What’s the purpose of such pseudo-teleportation, then? As always with such things: cryptography, and secure communication links. Modern cryptography is virtually unbreakable, unless the encryption key is compromised — and it can be very hard to get that encryption key to the receiving partner without other people (other intelligence agencies) listening in. With quantum teleportation, you could teleport the encryption key, making man-in-the-middle attacks virtually impossible.

For quantum encryption to work, though, we need to be able to transmit entangled photons over a long distance — and therein lies the crux: According to the researchers, their system should be able to scale up to distances that will reach orbiting satellites. We’re talking years in the future — we’d need to put a quantum communications satellite in orbit first — but this would certainly be the first step towards building a global quantum network.

You see the underlying dynamics of my system are very similar. Since viewing CP causes the child depicted to be molested all over again, and since molestation causes an increase in stress hormone, we can teleport encryption keys over any distance simply by measuring stress hormone levels, over time , in a previously molested child, while loading the CP images of the molested child in a pattern that correlates with the data we want to transmit. It is really a ground breaking technological achievement, and I want to thank all of the scientists in the field of criminology for revealing the underlying mechanism for us to base this new technology on! Talk about an interdisciplinary achievement!

I call it Computerized Hormonal Oscillation : Molestation Oscillation Networking. Stress hormones increase during molestation and viewing CP causes molestation to take place again, across time and space. By time modulating the viewing of CP on one end and monitoring for fluctuating levels of stress hormone on the other, we can communicate securely with zero probability of intercept. Shit's real just ask the prosecutor quoted in the original article.

So let's see the logical constructs used by the people arguing against me so far:

Let's start with contestant number one: if not X then not Y, therefor X == Y

[if not life then not death, therefor life is death]

next up we have nicknacks argument: if X OR Y then Z, therefor X == Y

[if you drown in water or you burn to death then you die, therefor drowning is burning to death]

would anybody else like to give it a shot?

and as for your main argument, the birth analogy is fucking IDIOTIC..  it makes ZERO sense and once again, you are REALLY trying to defend people who both create and consume CP here.    jesus christ you're a fucking stupid douchebag, and a disgusting one at that..  please just die and get the fuck out of the way

I agree that the birth analogy is fucking idiotic. But it is your own logic.

and yes, i do equate [downloading and sharing CP] to [pimping out kids], because [if they hadn't been RAPED AND PHOTOGRAPHED in the first place], then [the images wouldn't even exist.]

and yes, i do equate [x] to [y], because if not [y], then not [x].

and yes, I do equate [giving birth] to [murder], because if somebody is [not given birth to], then it is [not possible to murder them].

Logically your statement is: if not Y then not X, therefor X == Y

We can fill it in with all kinds of absurd shit:

If not birth then not death, therefor birth is death
If not molestation then not CP, therefor CP is molestation
if not water then not life, therefor water is life

here is a hint: it sounds retarded and illogical in all cases.

But the thing is that my position is entirely sensitive! It is sensitive to the victims of the war on child pornography. The millions of people every year who are arrested, sent to prison for decades and branded as sex offenders for life simply because they looked at some pictures. People who want child pornography possession to be criminalized are the ones being insensitive to the victims of child pornography. Looking at pictures of somebody being abused actually DOESN'T cause them to be abused again. Some random fuck looking at a picture of an abused child causes approximately 0 measurable damage to the child in the picture. If it causes damage how about we show it in a scientific double blind study? No studies like this exist and if they did they would certainly, beyond any doubt at all, prove that someone viewing a picture of child molestation does not remotely cause measurable harm to the depicted child. Anybody who disagrees with this is arguing something about as believable as the Bible for fucks sake! They have faith that somebody viewing CP damages the depicted children, they will straight up ignore any science regarding the subject.

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You can make the same argument about drugs. LE infiltrates a drug ring and allows dealers to sell to buyers. Suppose one of them dies. Under the law, the vendor gets 20+ years for contributing to the death of a person, not LE.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's how liability works under the law. LE gets off for a lot of shit. They basically have no equivalent of a good Samaritan law.

If you couldn't tell I was being extremely sarcastic. Anyone who thinks this LE operation resulted in 12,000 child rapes is a fucking retard. Anyone who thinks that it didn't result in 12,000 child rapes but that the pedophiles viewing the images did is a fucking retard and brainwashed. The only logical conclusion is that neither the FBI nor the pedophiles viewing the images caused any child rape at all. The illogical conclusion is that the FBI caused 12,000 rapes, the illogical and hypocritical conclusion is that the FBI didn't but the people downloading the images did.

kmfkewm,
your sarcasm betrays your frustration with people's inability to understand your position. You're saying that the fbi is being hypocritical when they say that viewing CP hurts children, and yet the fbi used REAL CP to nab peds. Clearly the fbi's position is that viewing CP  is a victimless crime, otherwise they wouldn't have setup up this type of operation.

Unfortunately this kind of thread also attracts peds and the psychos who want to kill them as well as anyone that's trying to discuss libertarian principles and how they apply to this touchy subject. There's no way to have a rational, logical discussion about this topic. Maybe in a 100 years from now.

wat the FUCK are you talking about.. what is irrational or illogical about being disgusted by people who rape kids and people who get off to others doing it??  fuck your libertarian bullshit, shouldn't kids have the liberty to not get FUCKING RAPED  god seriously there is no rationalization for this kind of abuse or the behavior that encourages it (like viewing/sharing CP)... stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid

in 100 years i have a weird feeling that it will still probably NOT be okay to rape kids, but i guess we all have different visions of the future..  zero tolerance for this shit

A little over 100 years ago pedophilia was legal in most of the world. In 1880 no US state had an age of consent over 12. I am not arguing that this is a good thing though, I am simply showing you that 100 years can change a lot. I do hope that in 100 years people realize that photography is not magic though!

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“Distributing of child pornography – images and videos of real children experiencing the worst moments of their young lives – is not a ‘victimless’ crime, and the heinous nature of this offense should never be diminished by referring to it as ‘just pictures,’” Ellsworth told the court.  “The children portrayed … suffer real and permanent damage, for the rest of their lives, each and every time their exploitation is shared over the Internet.”

Let's do a double blind experiment. We can hook up one of these abused children to all kinds of medical devices that measure pain, their brainwaves, heart rate, fucking everything. Then we have someone in a different city load their CP images 20 times with random time intervals between them. If the best medical experts in the world can detect changes in the child that correlate with the images being loaded, then we can accept the claim this dumbshit is making. Otherwise it is conclusively and empirically disproved. Anyone want to bet on the odds?

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One of those children – a girl whose father shared images of her being abused that has since become widely shared online – put it more bluntly in a statement to the court filed last year.

“I wish I could feel completely safe, but as long as these images are out there, I never will,” she said in a victim impact statement.

“Every time they are downloaded, I am exploited again, my privacy is breached, and my life feels less and less safe,” she continued. “I will never be able to have control over who sees me raped as a child. It’s all out there for the world to see and it can never be removed from the internet.”

Maybe she should opt out of the program she is in where she is notified every single time when someone is busted with one of her CP files, if it is really causing her so much damage. Of course then she wouldn't be able to demand restitution from all of the people caught with her images, which is currently making her a small fortune. I mean it sucks that she was molested, but maybe they should find somebody who isn't the poster child for making money off their past abuse to be their poster child for 'people downloading CP with me in it causes me horrible pain every single time'. Just a thought!

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The Seattle-area man targeted in the investigation is alleged to have accessed a “jailbait” girls section of “Website A” 10 days after investigators took control of it. Specifically, he’s alleged to have accessed photos showing two men raping a 10 to 12 year old girl.

Well that is a huge indication that it is a Tor hidden service. Clearnet jailbait = 14+ , Tor jailbait = 9+ .

jesus christ, victim blaming much??  dude i'm pretty sure you ARE a pedophile at this point, you're seriously defending these fucks.  you also seem to know quite a lot about CP and pedophilia in general, which is not something that most people just casually research for fun???  everything that you typed fucking oozes creep and i'm honestly disgusted that anyone here is actually making an argument FOR this (of course you won't openly admit to doing this, even though its obvious).  fucking gross dude, fucking insanely gross.

there used to be a guy in my old projects that pimped out children.  USED TO BE.  somehow he got shot 4 times in broad daylight during a 4th of July barbeque and nobody saw a thing.  weird huh??  you'd think SOMEONE would've seen SOMETHING...    and yes, i do equate downloading and sharing CP to pimping out kids, because if they hadn't been RAPED AND PHOTOGRAPHED in the first place, then the images wouldn't even exist.  fucking sick fuck, i have spent a huge chunk of my life helping people heal from this exact same shit, you have no idea what victims of abuse go through, you could never comprehend it or even imagine it.  have you ever had to hold a young girl's hands behind her back while she screamed and begged and cried and pleaded with you to let her tear open the stitches that closed a 2-inch deep self-inflicted gash in each of her forearms, just because the word "daddy" came up in a conversation??  have you ever had to sit and console a frightened, zombified 14yr old that had just spent the past five days locked in a bedroom getting raped on film by their aunt and uncle while getting meth shoved in her ass??  do you want to guess how many days it took before she finally stopped freaking out and fell asleep??   excuse me while i go fucking puke, fuck you

Why do you equate people watching child pornography with people who molested children? Your inability to differentiate is largely responsible for you coming across as a fucking retard. Do you think that video footage of bank robberies should be illegal? How about the Boston Marathon bombing? Tons of people saw video footage of that, I am sure a lot of the radical Islamic people even greatly enjoyed it. Do you think every time someone views footage of the Boston Bombing, that the victims are bombed all over again? See to me it appears that you have, in a select area of cognition, a developmental delay. I would be less surprised to hear that a very young child thinks that looking at an image causes what happened in the image to happen again. When I hear ostensible adults with this mentality I am left scratching my head. It is so obviously untrue that I simply don't understand how anybody could actually think that it is true, unless they have a mental disability.

I 100% agree with your sentiments heavyreader. +1 for you. I have always respected kmfkewm and his in depth knowledge on Security and Libertarian related subjects

Legalizing child pornography possession is one of the goals of the Libertarian party. Child pornography possession being a crime is extremely against the goals of Libertarianism.

however, I can't believe what I've just read here. It's obvious to me from what you've posted here, that you have no idea in real life terms of the magnitude of a child's pain and suffering, mental anguish, re-occurring nightmares, etc, which they will carry with them to the day they die. These sick creatures, cunts of the worst kind imaginable, deserve whatever punishment they receive and then some. These depraved, evil, cold-hearted bastards should be shot dead AND NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE ANOTHER BREATH OF AIR. To take away a child's innocence forever and scar them for life is just an unimaginable act IMO and could NEVER be justified or defended under any circumstance whatsoever, PERIOD. Picking apart statements using sentences made by either a victim or a prosecutor is stooping to a level beyond my comprehension and that of any compassionate human being.

To me it appears that you think I am defending child molesters. This is not the case, of course child molestation should be a crime. However, it is very likely that you are creating a false equivalency between child molestation and child porn consumers. Don't feel too bad I suppose, it is not your fault that you are surrounded with propaganda that causes this phenomenon to occur in susceptible people. Hopefully over time you can heal yourself and achieve an appropriate level of cognitive development, allowing you to differentiate between these very different things.

First of all I don't have any problem with picking apart what that prosecutor said, because it is clearly bullshit and voodoo and totally illogical. If molested children were actually measurably revictimized every single time one of their CP images was loaded off the internet, then they would be used by intelligence agencies as covert quantum encryption hubs. You see, when a person is violently raped certain neurological and other biological phenomenon manifest. Levels of stress hormones will increase, neurons in the brain associated with pain will fire, etc. Now this prosecutor is arguing that something similar to quantum entanglement takes place when a child is photographed being violently raped, essentially his argument is that the child is permanently entangled with the images of the molestation such that every time the images are observed a corresponding state is in reality created in the child. Therefor molested children are the perfect channels for covert communications!

Simply recruit these molested children as human intelligence agents and plant them in the target organization as undercover agents. Instead of having to use imperfect systems such as Tor and GPG to securely and covertly communicate with the agent, their case officers can send communications to them by viewing their child pornography images in time modulated patterns! Since there is no tapable physical connection between the case officer and the field agent, there is no need to encrypt the communications; this achieves a state of security similar to quantum entanglement based cryptography. Additionally, the lack of a scientifically measurable link between the case officer and the field agent results in total resistance to all forms of traffic analysis! The communicated information can be retrieved by the field agent simply by using a device that measures the levels of stress hormone in the body over time; since loading the CP images causes the field agent to live through the abuse again, their body will release stress hormones in a time modulated pattern that correlates with the time modulated pattern in which the CP images are viewed.

As far as the girl goes, I agree that it sucks she was molested. But she has a good reason to lobby for child pornography to remain illegal to possess, she makes a fortune off of court ordered restitution from the people who are caught with images of her being abused as a child. Of course she claims that it causes her enormous damage blah blah blah, she has made a career out of getting restitution from people viewing her CP images. Her quote about how much it hurts her when people view her CP images, was probably given to a judge at a restitution hearing when he was deciding how much money somebody owes her. I am just saying that this is hardly a neutral party. If knowing that people view her images really upsets her so much, doesn't it stand to reason that she would opt out of being notified every single time someone is arrested with CP that features her? To me it seems apparent that she values the income she makes more than she values not knowing that people view images of her.

Seriously mate, I respect your right to have an opinion but there's certain things in life which require a person to show a little bit of decorum with the less said on the topic, the better. There is NOTHING in this world which could change my way of thinking about these sick bastards and like heavyreader has already pointed out, you make me want to vomit as well! It's one thing to stand up for what you believe in but not at the expense of a poor, innocent child having their childhood stolen from beneath them with total disregard for anything but their own personal gratification. God help one of these sick bastards if they ever cross my path in life!! Let's hope you all rot in hell for the crimes you committed against innocent children because that's exactly where you belong for eternity.

We should not all shut up and accept these ludicrous and absolutely impossible claims made by the government and people with financial interest. Being silent while people are spewing out bullshit goes against my personality entirely. By the time somebody looks at CP the poor innocent child has already had their childhood stolen from them.