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Off topic / Re: What is LSD meant to taste like?
« on: July 19, 2013, 10:24 pm »
LSD and taste is a sometimes heated subject. Technically LSD is not supposed to taste like anything at all. However, sometimes the LSD will be in or on a material that has taste. I have had LSD blotters that ranged in taste from almost nothing to making me want to puke from how bitter and chemical it tasted. I had bitter LSD from mostly reputable sources, and this was years ago before anybody online had any clue about nbome drugs. The people selling the bitter acid, which was extremely popular in Europe, gave a few explanations for the taste. One explanation was that it was the ink used on the paper, I don't really buy this though because the US GDF blotter never had taste, even stuff that wasn't WoW. Another explanation was that they used non-chlorine based blotter paper to minimize degradation of product once put on the paper, this excuse makes sense to me because chlorine neutralizes LSD as soon as it comes in contact with it, but I have no idea if that paper has such a strong chemical taste to it or not. The effects I have gotten from bitter LSD certainly felt like they were induced by an ergoloid, although the effects were perceived by many as being slightly different enough that it could have been an analog of some sort. Some of the blotters were actually lab tested and confirmed to have analog ergoloids on them, although this was seen as highly controversial.

So in summary, LSD should have no taste to it, but if a blotter has a taste to it it may not certainly rule out it being LSD. I think that if liquid has a taste to it then it is more likely to not be LSD though, unless the taste is minty or the taste of alcohol or whatever.

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Philosophy, Economics and Justice / Re: Is Life Everlasting?
« on: July 19, 2013, 05:06 am »
Humans generally prefer a high range of prosody

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yes you are right if you look at it that way... bush, rumsfeld and chaney killed about 100 000 civilians in iraq... to secure oil fields and make sure their buddies in the defense industries can make some money. so yes, terrorists kill many people.

if you mean "Muslim terrorist", Id like to see a source... except 9/11, eg, there die only a couple of people, if that much, in the US from that kind of terrorism. And about 9/11, im not saying they blew up those houses themselves, but there is a lot of weird stuff to that if you dig into it. and it wouldn't have been the first "false flag" operation in history 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

I agree that the Islamic violent non-state actor threat is largely overblown, but it is still very real, and if we have no defense measures in place to try to detect and prevent such attacks they will only become more common. Wikipedia shows 8,969 deaths linked to Islamic terrorist attacks since 1970, so really a drop in the bucket compared to death by other means, and certainly not warranting the amount of money spent to combat it.

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piracy... well, from the standpoint of the old business model you are right. but its ... an old business model. didn't adapt to the internet and new forms of consumption. and... almost everybody that is pirated a lot still makes a lot of money.

Sure I agree, but piracy still costs billions of dollars in lost profits, so it really does hurt the finances of content producers and especially distributors.

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Investigations like this generally consist of three distinct phases.

Phase One: Traffic Analysis reveals the location of a suspect

This is usually because the suspect did not use any anonymity measures, so their IP address was logged by some LE fuckwad. The IP address by itself is not enough to get a conviction because results from traffic analysis can be misleading, but in most cases the results do point to the correct suspect. An example of when the results are misleading would be if the previously mentioned LE fuckwad logs an IP address of an open wireless access point that was used by the real target, or if they log the IP address of a proxy exit node that was used by the real target, etc. The results from traffic analysis are used to get an initial search warrant for the home of the owner of the identified IP address, as well as warrants to confiscate the computer equipment at the identified home so that they can be subjected to computer forensics. A counter measure against traffic analysis is the use of Tor. There are several techniques used though, some people use Tor, Freenet or I2P, others use http proxies, others use paid VPN services, others use Botnets, others use open WiFi access points, some people hack into the servers they access and actually delete log files, etc. Generally people consider Tor, Freenet and I2P to be the best measures for protecting from traffic analysis, VPN services are hit or miss but more often than not the VPN will only provide temporary and limited protection from an attacker, same for open proxies for the most part. Botnets are actually considered as one of the most secure ways of protecting from traffic analysis, I have even heard the Tor developers say that somebody with a botnet bigger than Tor can have protection greater than Tor can provide, so having a really big Botnet is probably your best bet for maintaining anonymity, with Tor, I2P, and Freenet coming in close second.

Phase Two: Field agents raid the suspect and seize computers

After identifying a suspect IP address and determining the person it is associated with, the police get a warrant and carry out a raid of the suspect. This doesn't happen in all cases though due to the limited resources of the police, in fact only a small minority of IP addresses identified as engaging in illegal activity are ever followed up on, generally sorted by the severity of the crime (ie: the more they want you the more likely they are to spend their limited resources actually raiding you etc). One of the reasons that they want to force ISPs to store logs of which customer is assigned which IP address at what time is because sometimes by the time they work through their list of identified suspect IP addresses to a certain target, they can no longer associate the IP address with a subscribers account because the ISP no longer has logs. Anyway, the way a raid is carried out will differ based upon the skill level of the raiding police as well as their own analysis of the level of security they expect you to be utilizing. If the police raiding you are not skilled they will likely simply kick your door down or knock on your door, arrest you, unplug your computers and send them to a forensics lab. If the police raiding you are skilled enough, and they think that you are using encryption, they will very likely try to obtain your computers while they are still booted up and then try to obtain the encryption keys from RAM prior to sending them to a forensics lab. There are techniques you can use to protect yourself from field agents obtaining your encryption keys during a raid, some people have hotkeys that instantly wipe encryption keys and power off the machine after they are hit, some people even make deadman switches that will wipe encryption keys and power off the machine if they do not have pressure applied to them (ie: you sit on it, and if the police tackle you to the ground your encryption keys are instantly wiped and your system shuts down), I have heard of people monitoring entrance points to their homes with CCTV cameras, and there are also technical solutions that can be attempted such as using Tresor to store encryption keys in CPU registers instead of in RAM.

Phase Three: Forensic technicians analyze the seized computer attempting to gather evidence

Depending on the type of investigation this step may play a critical role. In the case of drug trafficking investigations a forensic analysis of the seized computer will likely not be crucial to obtaining a conviction, the drug trafficker will likely be caught with drugs during Phase Two, or following Phase One they will be put under surveillance during which they are observed obtaining and/or sending out drugs. In a drug trafficking investigation the forensic analysis will largely be in an attempt to find addresses or names or phone numbers of contacts/customers, possibly chat logs between the vendor and his customers/supplier, and perhaps evidence of ties to a ring or similar. On the other hand, in hacking or especially CP investigations, Phase Three is often critical to secure a conviction, unless Phase Two field agents utilize techniques such as hardware keyloggers (overall rare but not unheard of and more common in bigger cases), hidden cameras (also rare), TEMPEST surveillance (I have only heard of this being used in espionage and terrorism related cases), etc, prior to a raid. In these cases I would say Phase Two has Part A and Part B, with Part A consisting of surveillance and Part B consisting of a raid. In most cases there is not a Part A, even if it would be beneficial to the investigation and to securing a conviction.

Anyway, the forensics technicians will look for incriminating evidence (perhaps look for the ONLY incriminating evidence, in the case of CP investigations), they will try to build a timeline of criminal events, they will try to tie the illegal activity to a single user of the physical computer, etc. In most cases, forensics technicians are nearly completely incapable of doing analysis on a machine that has its entire persistent storage drive encrypted. They may be able to tie the MAC address of a networking card to a session used for illegal activity on a open access point, or things like this, but 99% of what they do requires an unencrypted drive to analyze. FDE almost completely removes the ability for Phase Three to be carried out, unless the encryption can be broken or the password guessed. Since many investigations entirely rely on Phase Three to secure a conviction, FDE is a major hinderance to the governments ability to prosecute certain crimes.


Not everybody protects themselves from all steps of a computer based criminal investigation. I would say actually that the majority of people do nothing to protect themselves from traffic analysis, surveillance raids or forensic analysis. Of the people who do protect themselves somewhat, not all of them protect themselves adequately or completely. Some people will use a single hop http proxy as their only defensive technique, others will use FDE but they will not make any attempt to protect themselves from traffic analysis (likely the case in the investigation mentioned in the OP). The most secure people protect themselves from all phases of an investigation, often redundantly (Tor + Open WiFi, Tresor + Memory Wipe Hotkey, FDE + Truecrypt Containers).

Since each phase relies on the success of the previous phase in order for it to even be initiated, it is obvious that the most important thing to protect yourself from is traffic analysis. If the attacker can not identify who you are, they can not place you under surveillance, they cannot seize your computer and they can not have forensic technicians analyze your seized computer. If you put all of your eggs in one basket, it should definitely be the anonymity basket. On the other hand, some people put all of their eggs in the encryption basket, and this has generally worked out okay for them, depending on the country they are in. Some people in the USA have had CP charges dismissed because no CP could be recovered from their encrypted drives, on the other hand we have cases where they are held in contempt of court for refusing to reveal passwords. In countries like the UK the government has made laws saying that people must give up their passwords if ordered to do so by the police, and this is so that phase three can be completed in order to secure a conviction, but phase three is never reached in cases where phase one is never completed. Also, refusing to give up your password generally results in a much lesser sentence than you would receive if you do give up your password, most people would rather be held in contempt of court and jailed for a year than convicted of possession of CP and sent to prison for some decades and labeled as a sex offender for life.

Note that in more advanced investigations it might make more sense to break things apart into five distinct phases, or even to avoid a cookie cutter model like this, but in the majority of cases these are the phases that the investigation consists of.

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Hopefully in the USA this makes it to the supreme court soon so that it can be ruled as unconstitutional. At least we would hope it is ruled unconstitutional, but the government has all kinds of arguments as to why it is perfectly fine to demand people incriminate themselves. The thing about the USA is that on paper it is completely different than it is in practice, but politicians talk about it like it is on paper and then disregard it in practice.

There are several possible technical countermeasures to this sort of attack. The first is deniable encryption, although I believe that operating system leaks and such can still give fornesic analysts the ability to determine that there is a hidden volume present. There is also the risk that they will simply demand you to decrypt a hidden volume as well, on the assumption that anybody who uses programs that support hidden volumes must have a hidden volume. Essentially a lot of people are worried that this is going to turn into "Incriminate yourself and go to prison or go to prison for not incriminating yourself", even in cases where people really don't have any incriminating files, because they don't have hidden volumes but are demanded to decrypt something into the illegal things the police claim that they have. Another option is to use offshore servers with encryption as well of course (never storing plaintext on the server), I am not positive but I think that maybe the police in UK or NL cannot demand you to decrypt a hard drive that is in a different country. The best option of all is to never get to the step where they demand you to decrypt your files, taking measures against traffic analysis should prevent them from ever determining who you are in the first place. Encryption of persistent storage has always been a back up plan in case measures against traffic analysis fail, if you protect from traffic analysis and hacking then your encrypted persistent storage will probably never be put to the test.

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drug prohibition, internet piracy, terrorism... problems that dont exists more or less... just excuses to take away personal liberties

First of all I agree with you about drug prohibition, it addresses a problem that doesn't really exist , but actually it causes a ton of problems to exist in doing so. Drug prohibition is evil and those who support it are no better than Nazis, and the most powerful supporters should be tried as war criminals and executed. Internet piracy is definitely a problem depending on your perspective. It probably costs companies billions of dollars a year, all together. Now I am not really anti piracy because I pirate shit all the time, and there are some good arguments both for and against intellectual property, and the people making digital content can fight piracy by changing their models but they are just ultra slow to adapt to change.....but internet piracy definitely has a massive economic impact. I have never once paid for music, movies, porn or games in my entire life. I have also pirated a large number of books as well as very expensive software that sometimes costs in the thousands of dollars for a single license. I imagine there are a lot of people like me, and I also imagine that we would all pay for at least music, movies, porn and games if we were not able to download them for free. I also disagree with you about terrorism. Now, terrorism doesn't seem to pose a very huge threat to us, but indeed many thousands of people are killed on a yearly basis by terrorists. The threat posed by terrorists is generally greatly exaggerated, but certainly there are terrorists (although I would prefer to call them violent non-state actors) and they do kill many people a year, although then again so do automobiles.

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While I don't know if various politicians believe the anti-drug propaganda, it's not hard to figure out why they promote it. It wins votes. I realize it's not a popular position to hold here, of all places, but the fact is that a substantial portion of society believes the BS about drugs. It's not like the politicians are forcing their own views on an unsuspecting public that can't do anything about it, the politicians are spouting off popular views that will help them get elected. The problem lies more with an uninformed electorate than with individual powerful people IMO.

Bullllllshit. The only reason these are popular views is because of government mandated propaganda programs and misinformation campaigns. Don't give the politicians such a huge massive benefit of the doubt, "Oh they are just doing what the people want!", that is exactly what they fucking want you to believe. When they made marijuana illegal it was most commonly known as cannabis and the average people knew about it by that name and didn't think it was a big deal, so out comes the government calling it marijuana but never cannabis and propaganda is released making it out to be some devil drug from Mexico poisoning their children, and suddenly the people who know that cannabis is not a bad drug are freaking out over this marijuana shit. That is the perfect illustration of how the government makes popular opinion, and then they make laws regarding popular opinion but they act like oh we are just doing what the people want, BULLSHIT they are making the people want what they want them to want! The politicians ARE forcing their own views on an unsuspecting population. Hold the people accountable who need to be held accountable, don't push the responsibility off onto the people who they brainwashed.

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Security / Re: Tor and state surveillance
« on: July 17, 2013, 07:07 am »
Libertarian positions on military:

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Military should defend against aggression; not world police
We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression. The United States should both abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world and avoid entangling alliances. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.
Source: National platform adopted at Denver L.P. convention , May 30, 2008

Reduce defense spending by half; just defend the US
Certainly America’s defense capability should be strong enough to defend the United States. However, the US now accounts for 37% of all the world’s military spending. Another 30% of world military spending is by countries in Western Europe along with Japan, South Korea, and Israel -- nations which pose no conceivable threat to the US.

Russia, our former Cold War adversary, certainly represents no military threat. Our military budget is $260 billion; Russia’s is less than $80 billion. China spends less than $7 billion on defense. The most commonly cited rogue states -- Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria, North Korea, and Cuba spend a combined $15 billion. Nowhere are American vital interests under attack or even seriously threatened.

If the US were to pursue a policy of defending its own borders while avoiding foreign intervention, we could realistically reduce our defense budget to as little as $125 billion over the next five years.
Source: Libertarian Solutions; Michael Tanner on LP Web site , Nov 7, 2000

Build missile defense privately, with federal “reward”
The Defense Department has spent $100 billion and 17 years trying to create one, with very little progress. We must realize that the Defense Department is just another bureaucratic government agency-the Post Office in fatigues. It is the least efficient place to turn for a missile defense. [A Libertarian president would] post a reward of, say, $25 billion-to go to the first private company that actually produces a missile defense and proves that it works. I think we could have one within 3 or 4 years.
Source: LP 2000 campaign on-line, by Harry Browne , Nov 7, 2000

Oppose any form of national service
We call for the abolition of the Selective Service. We oppose any form of national service. We oppose adding women to the pool of those eligible for the draft because we believe that this step enlarges the number of people subjected to government tyranny. We support the immediate exoneration of all who have been accused or convicted of draft evasion or desertion. We call for the end of the Defense Department practice of discharging armed forces personnel for homosexual conduct.
Source: National Platform of the Libertarian Party , Jul 2, 2000

Eliminate nuclear weapons & bring all U.S. troops home
The potential use of nuclear weapons is the greatest threat to America. We call on the U.S. government to continue negotiations to the end that all such weapons will ultimately be eliminated. If Europeans want nuclear weapons on their soil, they should take full responsibility for them and pay the cost. We call for the withdrawal of American military personnel stationed abroad, including the countries of NATO Europe, Japan, the Philippines, Central America and South Korea.
Source: National Platform of the Libertarian Party , Jul 2, 2000

Support resistance to the draft

    BE IT RESOLVED:
    That the Libertarian Party National Committee unconditionally supports his right to resist, and will continue to support his struggle against the state in whatever form it takes consistent with libertarian values; and
    That the Libertarian Party National Committee supports the right of all draft eligible youth to resist registration and the draft.


Actually I think that the ideal situation would be if the military and intelligence agencies and politicians were dominated by libertarians. My primary issue with government surveillance is that the government has powerful sections of it that are essentially modern day Nazis (DEA, ATF, IRS, ICE, etc). I think that the government has extreme potential to combat victim causing crime, if the NSA actually targeted criminals we would be seeing child molesters sent to prison faster, we would be seeing cyber thieves sent to prison faster, etc. It is kind of a double edged sword, on one hand it is good that the police agencies are incompetent because it allows The Jews to escape from their gas chambers, but on the other hand it is bad that they are incompetent because it allows truly bad people to do bad things. I rather like the idea of a Libertarian Pseudo-Orwellian Utopia, where everything is legal that doesn't cause victims, even things that are extremely unpopular (like viewing and possessing CP), but where the police agencies are so powerful and skilled that they can bring victim causing crime (rape, theft, molestation, etc) to its knees.

Legalize everything that does not cause victims to directly be created, be extremely liberal and leaning towards freedom with all things like age of consent, privatize the shit out of everything, eliminate taxation (hell, I would voluntarily help to fund a libertarian policing agency), and have an extremely powerful defense agency (or network of defense agencies) that can blow True Crime away and protect us from those who wish to cause us harm. Sounds good to me!

Essentially, those who do not restrict the freedom of others should be left free themselves, and those who wish to restrict the freedom of others should be ruthlessly incapacitated or if need be eliminated. In an ideal libertarian world nobody would care very much about an agency doing large scale intelligence operations with the goal of combating crime, because the only criminal things would be things that all rational people recognize as bad and in need of being stopped. This is actually why I am very much in favor of militant libertarianism, the only people who can complain about totalitarian libertarianism are those who wish to oppress others. Being forced into freedom is hardly being forced at all.

Of course I do not think that the NSA is a defender of libertarian ideals. I merely think that the NSA doesn't give a fuck about criminals in 99.9999999% of cases, nor do I think they share intelligence with people who do. Terrorism / Espionage != regular crime.

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Security / Re: Tor and state surveillance
« on: July 17, 2013, 06:53 am »
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kfm, you don't have a fucking clue. Is your 'security' advice garbage like the political garbage you are posting here?

I mean, if somebody votes libertarian, holds libertarian beliefs in regards to drug legalization, taxation and access to weapons, and they blow up a federal building in protest of the federal government, what exactly do you think we should call them? McVeigh was obviously a libertarian, and he even claimed to be one himself.

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I can claim I'm a pink elephant but that doesn't make me a pink elephant.

Sure, just because somebody says they are a libertarian does not mean that they are. Lots of people claim to be libertarians while holding beliefs that are totally incompatible with libertarianism! On the other hand, McVeigh voted libertarian, which is a strong indicator that he himself is a libertarian, and additionally he held libertarian beliefs on at least three key points, gun control, drug legalization and the federal government.

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Likewise you can claim that your fucking american military nazis are 'libertarians' but that doesn't make them so.

I don't think that American military Nazis are libertarians! Obviously American military Nazis are Nazis, national socialists. On the other hand, American Military Libertarians are quite obviously libertarians. I mean, there are crips in the military and there are bloods in the military, it doesn't mean that the military is the crips or the bloods. The U.S. military is a diverse organization and it has members spanning the political spectrum, from crips and bloods to aryan nations members and neo Nazis, republicans and democrats and libertarians as well. In fact, I know several libertarians who have served in the US military or related organizations. Many of them were blinded into thinking of America in idealistic terms, and only later found out that the constitution they risked their lives to defend was not actually respected by the American government. Disillusioned libertarians with military backgrounds are a dime a dozen. In the intelligence agencies there are quite a lot of libertarians as well, and in fact I know several libertarians who have backgrounds in state intelligence services, although most of them would describe themselves as having seen the light after their service. Others see a difference between acting as police agents in order to do things such as bust people with drugs, and acting as intelligence analysts in order to do things such as try to prevent a terrorist attack on their home country, or to make sure that their home country stays competitive against foreign agencies. It is probably pretty easy for an NSA agent to take this point of view, considering the fact that their job is not to spy on American citizens looking for criminals who have committed crimes against the state, but rather their job is to prevent terrorism and espionage, as well as to engage in espionage against foreign agencies. I mean, if I knew that Dingledine was a former DEA agent I would have a much different opinion regarding him, but him having formerly worked for the NSA actually does not scare me so much. In fact, I don't lump the entire US government together as being Nazis, my primary beefs are with the police agencies and the politicians. I recognize that the US needs a military as well as intelligence agencies, in order to protect the interests of the US. Ideally these agencies would be privatized and not funded via taxation, but in the mean time it is important that they exist for the well being of the people who live in the US and allied countries. Certainly the military could start enforcing drug laws (although I suppose they already do some operations to combat drug traffickers in the USA, although Obama has limited this at least somewhat), and the NSA could start acting as a criminal intelligence agency (which there has been absolutely no proof of, and plenty of proof against), but so far I see DEA agents kicking in our doors and sending us to prison, not Marines, and so far I see DEA and ICE agents engaging in intelligence operations to intercept our shipments and arrest us, not NSA agents. Also, libertarians are not against the idea of a centralized military and intelligence apparatus, nor are they against taxes being used to fund such a thing, which is actually one of the key things that differentiates them from anarchists, who are against all forms of taxation and all government provided services.

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I take it you are involved with these right wingers. You may be some kind of lowly clerk in some american miltary shithole and so you feel the need to lie to yourself about how 'libertarian' the murderers in the US military are. Laughable.

I am not involved with the US military, although I know several people who have been in the past, mostly in intelligence capacities. I don't think any of them are murderers though, most did technical work in signals intelligence or measurement and signature intelligence. Most of them had a vastly different idea of what the US government was like when they first joined, and viewed it as respecting its constitution and the ideals once considered as American. Most of them probably would not have actually helped the government if they had at the time recognized its true colors, although several recognize that it is important to have a strong national defense, and that intelligence operations are required to prevent terrorist attacks and similar things. Really there is nothing inherently non-libertarian about serving in a military, although some of the actions taken by the military are against libertarianism certainly.


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Are you truly *that* fucking stupid? You can't be *that* fucking stupid.

The US military consists of individuals spanning a very wide spectrum of political orientations. Although Republicans are probably over represented, libertarians are not lacking in the military. After all, they like guns and technology, and tend to be extremely intelligent ;).

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Seems like a good technique is using a remote server in a country like Russia, with SSHFS over Tor, and a virtual machine. All of the files are stored remotely but you have access to them as if they were on your actual machine, plus they are encrypted on the remote server, plus you cannot be linked to the remote server. Persistence and nothing for the piggies to demand you decrypt, unless of course they trace your connection to the remote server and get the Russians to demand that you cooperate (which in this case they wouldn't do, since CP is totally legal to possess in Russia anyway). I wonder if the pigs in the UK think that they can demand you to decrypt a filesystem in Russia.

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16 weeks beats 10-20 years and lifetime registration as a sex offender.

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USPS alone handles billions of pieces a mail a year.

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Security / Re: Tor and state surveillance
« on: July 14, 2013, 02:30 am »
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Timoth McVeigh was in the US military and he is a prime example of an extremist militant libertarian

a : The US military is not a libertarian organization. Actually it's just the opposite of a libertarian organization. People working for the US military are either murderers or enablers of murder.

The US military is largely an apolitical organization. It has members spanning the spectrum of political orientations, and many of its members are indeed libertarians. A lot of them become disillusioned about the U.S.A. at some point in their lives, like McVeigh did, and others differentiate between things like the police enforcing drug laws and soldiers in the military fighting enemy armies or terrorists. Of course innocents are killed by the US military, but that is largely an artifact of war. If the USA had no military force it is reasonable to assume that it would be stripped of much of its power and possibly invaded and taken over by foreign agencies. The US military has taken part in horrible actions certainly, but there are indeed many members who do not condone such things and who are indeed libertarians. On the other hand, there are no DEA agents who are libertarians, being a willing member of the DEA for the purpose of drug enforcement (as opposed to, for example, intelligence gathering as a mole) prohibits somebody from also being a libertarian.

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b: McVeigh never was a libertarian. Libertarians do not kill innocent people. While blowing up a government building may not be a crime by libertarian standards, blowing up people who happen to be in, or near a government building, is just crazy murder ant not libertarian at all.


McVeigh was extremely libertarian. He was against drug criminalization, he was against gun control and he was against the federal government. In addition to this, he had a history of voting libertarian, which pretty conclusively labels him as politically libertarian. He targeted the Murrah federal building because it was used by the DEA as well as the ATF. He did later regret his target choice due to the innocent deaths he caused, and said if he had to do it over again that he would have sniped government officials and other similar targets instead. Although I also disagree with his choice of target, I can understand why he selected it. When the murderers in the US military, as you have called them, attack foreign countries and specific targets, they often bring about the deaths of innocents, something that is called collateral damage. You see, after having served in the military McVeigh actually became opposed to the concept of collateral damage, and I believe that he wanted to show the American population that collateral damage was something they should see as unacceptable. He did this by causing the deaths of innocents in addition to the primary targets of his bombing, namely federal law enforcement agents. To quote him:

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Hypocrisy when it comes to the death of children? In Oklahoma City, it was family convenience that explained the presence of a day-care center placed between street level and the law enforcement agencies which occupied the upper floors of the building. Yet, when discussion shifts to Iraq, any day-care center in a government building instantly becomes “a shield.” Think about it.

(Actually, there is a difference here. The administration has admitted to knowledge of the presence of children in or near Iraqi government buildings, yet they still proceed with their plans to bomb —saying that they cannot be held responsible if children die. There is no such proof, however, that knowledge of the presence of children existed in relation to the Oklahoma City bombing.)

When considering morality and “mens rea” [criminal intent], in light of these facts, I ask: Who are the true barbarians? ...

I find it ironic, to say the least, that one of the aircraft used to drop such a bomb on Iraq is dubbed “The Spirit of Oklahoma.” This leads me to a final, and unspoken, moral hypocrisy regarding the use of weapons of mass destruction.

When a U.S. plane or cruise missile is used to bring destruction to a foreign people, this nation rewards the bombers with applause and praise. What a convenient way to absolve these killers of any responsibility for the destruction they leave in their wake.

Unfortunately, the morality of killing is not so superficial. The truth is, the use of a truck, a plane or a missile for the delivery of a weapon of mass destruction does not alter the nature of the act itself.

These are weapons of mass destruction — and the method of delivery matters little to those on the receiving end of such weapons.
Whether you wish to admit it or not, when you approve, morally, of the bombing of foreign targets by the U.S. military, you are approving of acts morally equivalent to the bombing in Oklahoma City ...

I agree that collateral damage should be minimized at all costs. I also agree that warring populations use things such as children as shields, and as a form of propaganda after they are attacked in such a way that the children die. I would also like to point out that the U.S. military in the past has fought in wars that most people accept as necessary and even as highly honorable, for example world war II. In the wars that received the least popular support, such as Vietnam, the government was forced to enslave people to fight for them via draft law. Of course, there were other organizations that opposed this, one that comes to mind being the Weather Underground Organization, which bombed several government buildings in protest of the slavery perpetuated onto the U.S. people by the government. Of course they are called terrorists for bombing government buildings, but the government is not a terrorist organization for forcing young men to die in a war that they did not want to fight.

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If they are international that isn't particularly concerning. International packages can take several weeks to arrive.

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slave traders deserve death

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