You are supporting rape for profit.
How is it supporting rape for profit to look at a picture for free without paying for it? Where is the profit?
We might never win a war on pedophilia and child abuse but it is like the war on murder, just because it can't be won doesn't mean that murdering people or raping kids should ever be OK.
Nice strawman, I never said that raping kids should be okay. I don't know why everybody always tries to change the subject to raping kids, who is even talking about raping kids? I am talking about looking at pictures.
Your 50% statistics are bullshit. You are telling me that if you randomly pick 2 people from anywhere on this planet at least one of them would support your right to view child-abuse material?
My 50% statistics have had two citations given for them already, and I was talking about number of countries in the world where it is legal to view CP try to work on your reading comprehension a little.
Bullshit, it wouldn't even be 1% and if anything the number of people who are OK with child abuse is decreasing with the increase around the world in women's education and children's rights in developing countries. Just because certain third-world and developing nations haven't specifically criminalized child porn yet doesn't mean they are OK with it. I guarantee in 99% of these places no law has ever been created, it is not a case of it becoming legalized and legislated.
I never claimed to be okay with child abuse, I understand that you have a mental disorder that makes you incapable of telling different things apart, but let me try to explain this very clearly. Child abuse is bad, looking at pictures of abused children is not child abuse. Holocaust is bad, looking at pictures of the holocaust is not genocide. Almost all of south America has little to no laws regarding child porn possession, it is nice to know you think that they are all third world. Same with Russia, same with Japan. Japan is one of the most developed countries in the world dumbass, and they have specifically rejected proposals to make child porn illegal to possess even after being under international pressure to do so.
This isn't like taking drugs where the harm comes almost entirely from it's criminalization, you are talking about a market that revolves around non-consensual abuse of minors. You can tell yourself in your head as much as you like that you aren't the one harming children so you aren't doing the wrong thing if that makes you feel better, but you are viewing material in which children are systematically abused for your benefit, it is because of people like you that this filth is being created. I don't necessarily think you should be locked up for the rest of your life, but you definitely need some psychological treatment.
There is no harm created by viewing child porn. The harm was already created to produce the child porn. If I look at a picture it has no effect on anybody other than me. Nobody other than me even has to know that I looked at a picture. You think that there is some magical process involved, something that nobody can identify but just is. You are no different from a religious person, you have faith that viewing child porn causes children to be abused but you cannot give any evidence for this, you cannot explain a mechanism of action that I cannot immediately shoot down. You believe in child pornography viewing causing damage to children much how Christians believe that Jesus rose from the dead. No amount of research and science is going to convince you otherwise, just as no Christian is likely to be convinced against their faith.
Your argument is just like saying that if I find an unconscious girl and rape her with a condom and don't leave any marks and she doesn't find out then I haven't done anything wrong because she hasn't been harmed.
That argument is essentially saying that when a photograph of a person is taken they exist in the photograph. Dude, Harry Potter is fiction, I hope you know that. If you find an unconscious girl and take her pants off and take pictures of her, then yeah you did something bad and should be punished. If I look at the pictures you took, I don't think I did anything bad. I had no effect on that girl, you caused something to happen to her.
You obviously need some psychological treatment, I think you are right that most pedophiles are less than average intelligence because you are missing the essential point of the argument: JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T RAPE THE CHILD YOURSELF DOESN'T MEAN YOU AREN'T DOING THE WRONG THING BY PARTICIPATING IN A MARKET IN WHICH CHILDREN ARE SYSTEMATICALLY RAPED FOR PROFIT.
Well first off I am not a pedophile I am more like a non-exclusive ephebephile I would say. Second off, I never said it should be legal to buy child pornography. You are delusional if you think there is a big child porn market, all of those got shut down years ago. Almost all child porn is freely traded on P2P networks and in various forum communities. Nobody pays for shit, nobody profits off of shit. Sure there are some small non-organized cases where individuals may make some profit, but to think of child porn as primarily a for profit market phenomenon is just deluding yourself. When people download music and videos off of P2P networks are they supporting the for profit market for music and videos? Pretty sure they are certainly not supporting it at best, and hurting it at worst.
My view is that society says that it's wrong to abuse kids and the argument that sacrificing a few to the abusers may stop more being abused doesn't wash. As for viewing it, if there wasn't a market for this it wouldn't be so readily available and therefore a lot of the for profit vids would never be made. I'm not in the hang-em-high camp and am pretty cool with most consensual perversions with consenting adults but the key here is consent. Just because a child has been groomed to think abuse is natural and welcome is not consent and the damage done, and the damage those children go on to do (apparently there's a large proportion of abusers who were abused as a child), is unacceptable in any civillised country.
There isn't much of a market for it. Do you think there is a "market" for freely downloaded videos and music from P2P networks? Anyway I never said it should be legal to pay for CP, only to view it and possess it. Also you seem to , like most others here, incorrectly think that I am saying it should be legal to abuse kids. No, I didn't say that, I said it should be legal to look at and possess any information.
But then you contradict your own argument by saying "I'm not saying CREATING should be legal, just VIEWING" ... Again, we get it... Censorship violates our right to 'Freedom' ...
How does that contradict my own argument?
Legalizing the view of CP would be only be funding the people CREATING IT. Stop being so narrow-minded.
Legalizing the purchase of CP would fund the people creating it for profit (all 15 of them), but in reality 99.999% of people busted with CP have never paid for it. This is another reason why in more modern times the laws against CP make less and less sense. When CP was first made illegal, 99.999% of people who had it paid for it from studios that existed for the entire purpose of creating CP. People were like WTF we must make this illegal, the Supreme Court agreed blah blah blah. Fast forward about 50 years and the situation is almost exactly the opposite. The last big production studios doing the for profit model got shut down in the early 2000's, the last known large scale commercial CP distributor got busted several years ago. Today 99.9999% of CP offenders do not pay for CP, they download it mostly from P2P programs, they don't communicate with other offenders or network. All they do is go to a P2P network , download some pictures and view them in the privacy of their home. Nobody knows they downloaded these pictures, the child doesn't know they downloaded these pictures, the person who molested the child doesn't know they downloaded these pictures, they did not support any market for CP and they did not create a demand that is even identified by anybody in most cases. They are very close to looking at a picture in a vacuum, and yet you want still to say that this should be illegal.
It was YOU who compared the Legalization of Drugs to Legalization of CP. But when they 'legalize' drugs, they also 'regulate' them. I have not seen one argument or position stating the plan, or effectiveness of any 'regulation' of CHILD porn. Because why? BECAUSE YOU CANNOT REGULATE CHILD MOLESTATION AND RAPE.
For the I don't know how many-th time , I do not support or think child molestation or rape should be legal. I think it should be legal to look at pictures. I don't think it needs to be regulated. I don't think drugs need to be regulated. I don't feel the need to have a bunch of government thugs tell me what I can do.
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