Silk Road forums
Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: nanpa2001 on April 29, 2013, 01:53 pm
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I love the title of his post: "Recent FUD about Atlantis on Silk Road"
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=235.0
Hi all,
It has come to our attention that some users on Silk Road believe the following;
1. That I am a scammer and was involved in a Ponzi scam on Silk Road.
2. The moderators at Atlantis market are deleting user comments.
3. Our forums term of use policy is aimed to arrest people and record information.
4. That we are DDoS'ing Silk Road.
5. Our PGP system is crackable.
I'd like to take the time to address each point and if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reply to this thread. The staff members at Atlantis and I are happy to address your questions.
1) This belief has come into existence as 'Vladimir' was a scammer on Silk Road and thus people thought I was the same person as him. Unfortunately without knowing Vladimir's past history, this is my name and the one I have chosen to use. Hypothetically if I was Vladimir, why would I use a scammers alias at a market place which deals directly with user funds? It wouldn't help build trust in our market place and doesn't make any sense at all. Its the equivalent of pirateat40 creating a new Bitcoin Savings and Trust scheme and asking people to re-invest in it. We're proud to say that in our 7 weeks of operation, we have suffered no down time, no users have lost funds and security concerns have been addressed promptly (like increasing PGP key support up to 16Kbits).
2) We have deleted posts only related to spam, posts involving unfounded claims or accusations (FUD) and have deleted no posts in which people have given us criticism, bug reports or requests about improving security. You can check the relevant forum sections to find examples of this. We actively encourage this feedback as it helps us create a better market place. We are here to help users and are happy to reply to any security concerns or criticism you have. We have also created a sticky topic in the general forums for people to post whatever conspiracy theories they like. We will not be moderating this thread however the other forum rules still apply.
3) We used the default term of service which comes with the forum software. You can find an exact replica when you download and install the SMF software. This has now been updated.
4) We believe competition is healthy and believe that Dead Pirate Roberts is a great leader. We also need to shed the light that Silk Road has had technical issues in the past, even when we weren't around. Things like item listing image hijacking, denial of service attacks, site upgrades and switching hosting providers all caused down time. Although it would assist in us gaining more market share if our largest competitor is down, we have no desire to resort to dodgy tactics. We believe that what goes around comes around.
5) The auto-encryption service only works IF the user or vendors uploads their PGP public key (we support key sizes of 1024 - 16384 bits). However, Atlantis also supports manual encryption outside of Atlantis in which users can use a PGP client to encrypt their message. Atlantis administrators and law enforcement could not decipher the encrypted message without the users private key. With all this said, the security comes down to the end user. If they don't trust the auto-encryption service, they can STILL manually encrypt the message outside of Atlantis and thus there is absolutely no risk of anyone being able to decipher the message. To this day, PGP with large key sizes (>= 4096bits) is still uncrackable, you can find more information about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy#Security_quality. Noting: 'there is no known method which will allow a person or group to break PGP encryption by cryptographic or computational means.'
As stated earlier, if you have any concerns please don't hesitate to reply to this thread. Lastly, we'd like to thank all the people who have put their trust in Atlantis and believe in where we are heading. The ride is only just starting and we're glad to have you as part of Atlantis :)
So, what is the verdict?
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I'm not sure. I have an account on their site and forums but have done nothing but logged in and perused the selection to get an overall feel for the place. It seems new and new things generally turn people who are highly suspicious off. We live in a world where we have to break the law to self medicate and so chose to do that, and I think Atlantis simply needs to stick around and prove itself. Time will tell.
Also it's dRead Pirates Roberts. Not dead.
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The man runs a legitimate marketplace and we are having a bad case of cabin fever.
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People are dumb enough to elect a president with the name Hussein.
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I don't even care. I see 1000x more spam on here about speculation of atlantis than advertising. I actually never saw flat out advertising on here. I saw it mentioned. This speculation and FUD is way more annoying. That's my 2 satoshis on the subject.
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Always good to start with a lie ;)
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Dead Pirate Roberts
Is that a threat?
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Always good to start with a lie ;)
HAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT! The plot thickens!
It turns out that joolz got his arse banned because he made an unproven accusation against DPR and the SR admins on the Altantis forum.
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=118.15
So it comes down to the rules against FUD. FUD isn't allowed, period. I don't allow it anywhere, I don't even allow it against competitor Silk Road. Take a look here -
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=134.msg852#msg852
I gave one warning, and deleted all further posts containing unproven accusations of fraud against Dread Pirate Roberts and his admins. Following that user 'edar', known as 'joolz' on the SR forum stated that he was banned from the Atlantis forums for 'asking questions'. This is an outright lie. After deleting the offending posts about SR administration and DPR, he then started to spam our forums, calling the admins here Nazis, writing 'seig heil' and so on.
Surely you can see why we don't permit FUD here. FUD inevitably lowers the tone of the forum, and the lowered tone leads to forum scamming. Open your eyes and your mind. Altantis is leading the vanguard in reliability, security, and usability. It has the potential to be the greatest free market out there.
What did joolz say? Lets see -
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=134.msg852#msg852
yeh just hope this isnt scam city like Sr :( & maybe just maybe every ones sick of the 2 forum mods and reporting vendors hundreds of times for scamming and nothign happens , all for the fee ofcourse
So dont be greedy like the sr fukers and let scam happen coz you get paid.
$8000 a day in fee,s and the cunt cant be nice to his customers just laighs and says so what
Arsehole
the scam starts at the very top on The Scam Road.
How did the Altantis mod respond to this? -
There is no proof that the administration of Silk Road is doing anything along those lines. You are right that they usually fail to end scams until it is too late and many victims appear. You can complain about the crappy service on SR - that is why most of us are here, but please do not make allegations of this sort unless you have solid proof. FUD isn't allowed here, no matter what it is about.
You are a lying piece of shit, joolz.
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Always good to start with a lie ;)
HAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT! The plot thickens!
It turns out that joolz got his arse banned because he made an unproven accusation against DPR and the SR admins on the Altantis forum.
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=118.15
So it comes down to the rules against FUD. FUD isn't allowed, period. I don't allow it anywhere, I don't even allow it against competitor Silk Road. Take a look here -
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=134.msg852#msg852
I gave one warning, and deleted all further posts containing unproven accusations of fraud against Dread Pirate Roberts and his admins. Following that user 'edar', known as 'joolz' on the SR forum stated that he was banned from the Atlantis forums for 'asking questions'. This is an outright lie. After deleting the offending posts about SR administration and DPR, he then started to spam our forums, calling the admins here Nazis, writing 'seig heil' and so on.
Surely you can see why we don't permit FUD here. FUD inevitably lowers the tone of the forum, and the lowered tone leads to forum scamming. Open your eyes and your mind. Altantis is leading the vanguard in reliability, security, and usability. It has the potential to be the greatest free market out there.
What did joolz say? Lets see -
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=134.msg852#msg852
yeh just hope this isnt scam city like Sr :( & maybe just maybe every ones sick of the 2 forum mods and reporting vendors hundreds of times for scamming and nothign happens , all for the fee ofcourse
So dont be greedy like the sr fukers and let scam happen coz you get paid.
$8000 a day in fee,s and the cunt cant be nice to his customers just laighs and says so what
Arsehole
the scam starts at the very top on The Scam Road.
How did the Altantis mod respond to this? -
There is no proof that the administration of Silk Road is doing anything along those lines. You are right that they usually fail to end scams until it is too late and many victims appear. You can complain about the crappy service on SR - that is why most of us are here, but please do not make allegations of this sort unless you have solid proof. FUD isn't allowed here, no matter what it is about.
You are a lying piece of shit, joolz.
LOL! I think joolz is just "challenged". At least that's how I perceive him.
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Nice Vlad. That is very professional of you. Really.
You could've used the situation to your advantage, but chose instead to come here and straighten a few things out face to face like a man. For that, I say thank you. Your comments were very fair and evenhanded.
Conspiracy theories everywhere, CIA, army, whats next? An Alien race is behind all this?
This makes a great story or movie. I sometimes wonder if all of this is made up in some reality show concept. Its starting to sound very hollywood like.
We need facts here badly.
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Just in point of fact, depending on how the automatic encryption is implemented, that may or may not actually be secure at this moment. In any event, it cannot be guaranteed to remain the same even if it is secure today. The site could change on the fly and nobody would notice until it was too late.
Or, depending on how it's done, it may not even make use of the public key it claims to. To say that it's as secure as manual PGP encryption is a lie, plain and simple. Saying it "is secure today," may not be... but I don't care enough to check, frankly. Maybe if Atlantis didn't seem to make such ridiculous claims even on the front page of the site, I'd feel differently, but hey -- I guess I'll never know.
If you think I'm being biased or unfair: at least one person over there is stretching truth so far that it snaps.
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how is using PGP outside of their system any different than using it outside Silk Road?
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Well, that's something nice to say about ASKY I guess.
I think the whining about scammers is pretty funny though. The nature of any underground market online is that there WILL be scammers, both vendors and customers.
There is no way to verify the identity of vendors, no way to verify a package actually contains what a vendor says it does, and no way to verify that the customer did or didn't actually receive anything. That's why scammers run rampant for a few weeks, it takes that long to verify if they are scamming, if the customer is scamming, or if it's BS. Mail isn't delivered instantly, and "love letters" are not sent out to every recipient of seized mail.
SR does ban scammers when they become apparent, but they can't ban a scammer just because 5 people are saying they are a scammer, they could be puppet accounts of a competitor. So it takes time to properly sort it out, you have to wait until either enough people are crying scam or some of your "trusted members" are. ASKY will be no different, once scammers get to work there, the only thing they might do that SR won't is lock scam accounts early and wait until folks prove themselves as non-scammers(which is quite difficult).
That is why you HAVE to do your research when buying, regardless of where you do it.
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Just in point of fact, depending on how the automatic encryption is implemented, that may or may not actually be secure at this moment. In any event, it cannot be guaranteed to remain the same even if it is secure today. The site could change on the fly and nobody would notice until it was too late.
Or, depending on how it's done, it may not even make use of the public key it claims to. To say that it's as secure as manual PGP encryption is a lie, plain and simple. Saying it "is secure today," may not be... but I don't care enough to check, frankly. Maybe if Atlantis didn't seem to make such ridiculous claims even on the front page of the site, I'd feel differently, but hey -- I guess I'll never know.
If you think I'm being biased or unfair: at least one person over there is stretching truth so far that it snaps.
Hi SS,
We absolutely respect your opinion and you do great things for the community.
That said, we dont understand one aspect here, although it maybe just because your understanding of these aspects is far superior to ours.
@ Atlantis only our Public Key is inserted into the Profile.
That means the server only uses this key to encrypt messages.
We still have to copy & paste it into GPA to decrypt the message. So if somebody would alter it "on-the-fly" we could simply not decrypt the message.
If a User has NOT SAVED this Pub Key he will receive his message in Plaintext.
We already messaged the Atlantis Admin and suggested showing the use of Encryption by a Lock or something. Here we could see an aspect where a "Fake lock" would be feasible. But NOT with the simple upload of an GPG Public Key.
We hope our reasoning is formulated clear enough.
Care to elaborate ?
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5) The auto-encryption service only works IF the user or vendors uploads their PGP public key (we support key sizes of 1024 - 16384 bits). However, Atlantis also supports manual encryption outside of Atlantis in which users can use a PGP client to encrypt their message. Atlantis administrators and law enforcement could not decipher the encrypted message without the users private key. With all this said, the security comes down to the end user. If they don't trust the auto-encryption service, they can STILL manually encrypt the message outside of Atlantis and thus there is absolutely no risk of anyone being able to decipher the message. To this day, PGP with large key sizes (>= 4096bits) is still uncrackable, you can find more information about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy#Security_quality. Noting: 'there is no known method which will allow a person or group to break PGP encryption by cryptographic or computational means.'
They didn't even try to defend their in-browser encryption feature, implicitly admitting that it's insecure.
I still stay you're a fool if you use it.
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the lies the editing & the spamming :'( it all smells of desperation to me
why censored then unsensored ? desperate
good luck atlantis / A mods.
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oh Can you delete my superstar / sliver flyer accounts too nanapa (A.s. lacky) & Do me a favour :P
Thank god I didnt buy a vendors account.
Good luck Atlantis
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joolz do you have a disorder? What fucking country are you in? You type like you have dyslexic fingers and you're thought pattern is fucked up. You bash Silk Road on the atlantis forums then you bash atlantis on the Silk Road forums. You're crazier than a shithouse rat mate.
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Anyway, the damage has been done and major doubt has been instilled in the minds of too many of us, who won't be migrating before a long while. Online drug trade history has shown that LE has already set up fake sites to catch us DEVIANTS.
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Always good to start with a lie ;)
HAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT! The plot thickens!
It turns out that joolz got his arse banned because he made an unproven accusation against DPR and the SR admins on the Altantis forum.
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=118.15
So it comes down to the rules against FUD. FUD isn't allowed, period. I don't allow it anywhere, I don't even allow it against competitor Silk Road. Take a look here -
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=134.msg852#msg852
I gave one warning, and deleted all further posts containing unproven accusations of fraud against Dread Pirate Roberts and his admins. Following that user 'edar', known as 'joolz' on the SR forum stated that he was banned from the Atlantis forums for 'asking questions'. This is an outright lie. After deleting the offending posts about SR administration and DPR, he then started to spam our forums, calling the admins here Nazis, writing 'seig heil' and so on.
Surely you can see why we don't permit FUD here. FUD inevitably lowers the tone of the forum, and the lowered tone leads to forum scamming. Open your eyes and your mind. Altantis is leading the vanguard in reliability, security, and usability. It has the potential to be the greatest free market out there.
What did joolz say? Lets see -
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=134.msg852#msg852
yeh just hope this isnt scam city like Sr :( & maybe just maybe every ones sick of the 2 forum mods and reporting vendors hundreds of times for scamming and nothign happens , all for the fee ofcourse
So dont be greedy like the sr fukers and let scam happen coz you get paid.
$8000 a day in fee,s and the cunt cant be nice to his customers just laighs and says so what
Arsehole
the scam starts at the very top on The Scam Road.
How did the Altantis mod respond to this? -
There is no proof that the administration of Silk Road is doing anything along those lines. You are right that they usually fail to end scams until it is too late and many victims appear. You can complain about the crappy service on SR - that is why most of us are here, but please do not make allegations of this sort unless you have solid proof. FUD isn't allowed here, no matter what it is about.
You are a lying piece of shit, joolz.
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This is some quotes from Cicero (a forum mod) on the thread you linked
"The rules on Atlantis are different. On SR forums trolling is tolerated. Here is isn't. On SR forums bitcoin scammers are allowed to pollute the forums, and are rarely banned. Here I will ban them instantly. On SR forums FUD and all kinds of garbage comments are accepted. Here the tone is more refined.
The rules have been posted. Follow them and you have no need to worry about being deleted."
"So it comes down to the rules against FUD. FUD isn't allowed, period. I don't allow it anywhere, I don't even allow it against competitor Silk Road. Take a look here -"
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WOW Looks like they treat there forum users/customers like children, HA, you cant say this you cant do that or we will delete your posts or ban you instantly..... Pfft Good thing about sr forums you are not made to feel you need to "refine" what you say or have some power hungry children dictating what you can and cant do.
It shows great integrity of DPR to leave every single post thats been made about "ATLANTIS" for all see on silkroad forums without feeling threatened by competition and feeling the need defend what he has created and not removing "FUD" As they call it over there at that prison where they got so many rules u might have watch where you step....
Please leave the forums just as they are, with the trolls well maybe not the btc scammers but definitely leave all the "FUD" And all the "GARBAGE" that is accepted here because its fine the ways it is.
My thoughts about Atlantis... Firstly i wont be going anywhere untill there is no silkroad.
They claim alot of shit, Yes silkroad has had some issues with downtime scammers blah blah but the operators of silkroad would have so much stuff to handle day in day out and they do the best they can from what i have seen in the year i have been walking the road, being "THE BIGGEST AND THE BEST" you can only imagine the kind of target they have on there heads from LE to Scammers and in between..... Good job SR Admin.
They claim alot of shit, they can do things much better blah blah.
Where is the proof of these claims? sounds to me they are trouble makers who speak from there arse without anything to back themselves up.
Have they previously had to deal with any of these issues they claim to be able to do so much better with?
Could there servers handle even a quarter of the traffic silkroad has running through it? if not then they will have downtime.
How would they deal with claims of scamming? from vendors/customers ect.... if its anything like the forums u better watch yrself.
How would they go dealing with a DDoS attack as we have seen here the last week? How about getting hacked if thats possible through tor?
How will they go with the temptation of millions of dollars worth of ltc/btc accessible on there servers? will the temptation become to great?
As DPR has said previously you cant just put servers anywhere or run the risk of being found so how will there handle growth?
The biggest question, how will they go with a big target on there heads from LE?
They seem like are very immature people and are more than likely here for a cash grab than to put sweat and tears into making what they create the best it can be, I will link you to a thread started by Admin
Loera Admin
Topic: Exciting news! DPR buys Atlantis
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=81.0
Exciting news!
We've got some exciting news guys. Earlier this week we were approached by Dread Pirate Roberts (the owner of Silk Road) himself, offering to buy Atlantis.
We have decided to accept his offer of over 9000 Bitcoins (totalling in at roughly $819,000 USD). DPR has many exciting plans for Atlantis, so stay tuned!
Atlantis staff
My final thoughts
Anyone who wants to go by all means go i hope you are treated with respect and dignity... Pfft
The less people that use SR the faster it becomes for me :)
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it was all a big lie ;D
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joolz do you have a disorder? What fucking country are you in? You type like you have dyslexic fingers and you're thought pattern is fucked up. You bash Silk Road on the atlantis forums then you bash atlantis on the Silk Road forums. You're crazier than a shithouse rat mate.
& its all gone a bit machiavellian it doesnt take long for money to bring out the real characters of a person.
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Loera Admin
Topic: Exciting news! DPR buys Atlantis
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=81.0
Exciting news!
We've got some exciting news guys. Earlier this week we were approached by Dread Pirate Roberts (the owner of Silk Road) himself, offering to buy Atlantis.
We have decided to accept his offer of over 9000 Bitcoins (totalling in at roughly $819,000 USD). DPR has many exciting plans for Atlantis, so stay tuned!
Atlantis staff
I guess you missed the April first date and the next posts saying April fools....
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Has anyone actually received anything from Atlantis? I see lots of vendors there, some from here selling over there,. . what the fuck is the facts?
Are these Atlantis vendors LE or what? According to some people here, Atlantis is LE, so therefor any vendor there must be a confidential informant for them? Why would any reputable vendor sell there then? Something doesn't make sense.
Why doesn't anyone hold accountable,or critique those vendors selling there? Never mind Atlantis admins, Atlantis is just a landlord or hosting company in all of this. Aren't the vendors selling there really the bad guys who are luring innocent buyers into giving up the address and providing incriminating proof of drug purchase?
Dunno. If you had to blame someone for a security breech, who would you blame. Vendor or site admin?
Server provided security, or newbie users managing their own security software, or none at all?
Its a great debate, but we should be fair and stick to the known facts. PGP is safe. Use it. Done.
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Amen.
The road offers freedom of speech and freedom of choice "Vive la Revolution" ;)
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atlantis seems just a little sketchy to me... i made a small purchase and sent it to a drop... we will see if things go right and i get my shipment
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I love the title of his post: "Recent FUD about Atlantis on Silk Road"
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=235.0
Hi all,
It has come to our attention that some users on Silk Road believe the following;
1. That I am a scammer and was involved in a Ponzi scam on Silk Road.
2. The moderators at Atlantis market are deleting user comments.
3. Our forums term of use policy is aimed to arrest people and record information.
4. That we are DDoS'ing Silk Road.
5. Our PGP system is crackable.
I'd like to take the time to address each point and if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reply to this thread. The staff members at Atlantis and I are happy to address your questions.
1) This belief has come into existence as 'Vladimir' was a scammer on Silk Road and thus people thought I was the same person as him. Unfortunately without knowing Vladimir's past history, this is my name and the one I have chosen to use. Hypothetically if I was Vladimir, why would I use a scammers alias at a market place which deals directly with user funds? It wouldn't help build trust in our market place and doesn't make any sense at all. Its the equivalent of pirateat40 creating a new Bitcoin Savings and Trust scheme and asking people to re-invest in it. We're proud to say that in our 7 weeks of operation, we have suffered no down time, no users have lost funds and security concerns have been addressed promptly (like increasing PGP key support up to 16Kbits).
2) We have deleted posts only related to spam, posts involving unfounded claims or accusations (FUD) and have deleted no posts in which people have given us criticism, bug reports or requests about improving security. You can check the relevant forum sections to find examples of this. We actively encourage this feedback as it helps us create a better market place. We are here to help users and are happy to reply to any security concerns or criticism you have. We have also created a sticky topic in the general forums for people to post whatever conspiracy theories they like. We will not be moderating this thread however the other forum rules still apply.
3) We used the default term of service which comes with the forum software. You can find an exact replica when you download and install the SMF software. This has now been updated.
4) We believe competition is healthy and believe that Dead Pirate Roberts is a great leader. We also need to shed the light that Silk Road has had technical issues in the past, even when we weren't around. Things like item listing image hijacking, denial of service attacks, site upgrades and switching hosting providers all caused down time. Although it would assist in us gaining more market share if our largest competitor is down, we have no desire to resort to dodgy tactics. We believe that what goes around comes around.
5) The auto-encryption service only works IF the user or vendors uploads their PGP public key (we support key sizes of 1024 - 16384 bits). However, Atlantis also supports manual encryption outside of Atlantis in which users can use a PGP client to encrypt their message. Atlantis administrators and law enforcement could not decipher the encrypted message without the users private key. With all this said, the security comes down to the end user. If they don't trust the auto-encryption service, they can STILL manually encrypt the message outside of Atlantis and thus there is absolutely no risk of anyone being able to decipher the message. To this day, PGP with large key sizes (>= 4096bits) is still uncrackable, you can find more information about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy#Security_quality. Noting: 'there is no known method which will allow a person or group to break PGP encryption by cryptographic or computational means.'
As stated earlier, if you have any concerns please don't hesitate to reply to this thread. Lastly, we'd like to thank all the people who have put their trust in Atlantis and believe in where we are heading. The ride is only just starting and we're glad to have you as part of Atlantis :)
So, what is the verdict?
Well, I hope that this is vlad being honest. On the other hand if there is just one thing to learn from my time in tor it is that people are full of shit. It's not that hard to bullshit people on an anon network.
Part of why I trust dprs posts is because of their intelligence and brevity.
Vlads post is really nice and eloquent.... just saying.
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I have bought and received an item off Atlantis. There's actually a lot of deals going on because it is so new and a lot of people are apprehensive about using it.
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When people like edar/joolz bitch about known scammers being allowed to operate over SR, they are not talking about those vendors who pop up, scam people and then vanish within a month or two. They are talking about the big selective scammers that bring in a lot of profit for SR via fees. They are talking about SuperTrips and the like. Fact is, if SuperTrips was not generating so much money for the owners of SR then his selectively scamming ass would have been shown the door a long time ago. Everyone knows he selectively scams and that he/his org has done it to a LOT of people and stolen a LOT of money, yet he is still here.
That's the one thing that I kind of hold against DPR. He's obviously letting his love for money outweigh his concerns for fair and ethical business practices, at least when it comes to SuperTrips.
With all that being said, I still think that edar/joolz is a retard.
thats my point... retard ;)
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Dead Pirate Roberts
Is that a threat?
Yea, im pretty sure it was!!! I bet this was NOOOO mistake!!! This prooves that he hates the guy!!
Trying to make it obvious to DPR, but everyone else will overlook it...im smelling some funny sh*t
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how can you take anyone who goes by the name joolz seriously. JeWlz on the other hand...
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Who decides whether an accusation is unfounded? I said they were spamming and they deleted it right away. Because I had accused them, my accusation was automatically assumed to be "unfounded".
Looks like they decided that your accusation that they are spammers fell under their policy against FUD. Is it your standard practice to go onto random forums and accuse the admins of stuff?
Anyway, it looks like they tried to communicate with you. To me it seems like your main problem with them is that they are running their forum by their rules and not your rules.
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=217.msg996#msg996
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People are dumb enough to elect a president with the name Hussein.
first of all, it's just his middle name.
secondly, the name doesn't make the man. the man makes the man.
if Obama's name was 'Jerry Curl Hitler' he'd STILL be a better candidate than anyone the republicans have put on a national ticket in the last 20 years.
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fair enough.
I guess I should have said "a better candidate than ALMOST ANYONE the republicans have put on a national ticket"
;)
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I've seen a thousand times more spam from SR users than from any members of atlantis. When will it stop???
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I've seen a thousand times more spam from SR users than from any members of atlantis. When will it stop???
AMEN.
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I don't even care. I see 1000x more spam on here about speculation of atlantis than advertising. I actually never saw flat out advertising on here. I saw it mentioned. This speculation and FUD is way more annoying. That's my 2 satoshis on the subject.
thats the point of advertising, genius lol... you're supposed to realize the message without a billboard even being in front of you... its sentimental and it gets to people on a subconscious level... I am a doctor of Psychiatry and what you said just made me laugh. You proved that advertising works! hahaha
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I read the message by Vladamir (with his reasoning and claims) right after he posted it. After reading it, I am still left with the same belief.
Before he posted this message, he previously stated that SR was the driving force behind Bitcoin when it was introduced. He had also said that the primary motivation behind Atlantis was to be the driving force for Litecoin. That alone should tell you who is behind it. I personally believe that Vladamir is closely linked with the creators of Litecoin...he probably knows them firsthand (which might lead to his downfall). I don't believe Atlantis has the resources to affect the Bitcoin weighted average to the extent it has been manipulated, but I know who does...Litecoin. It has been far from coincidental that the market has dropped (over the past couple weeks) every time SR is up and running. It should have gone up almost every time. SR customers and vendors trade/buy/sell thousands of BCs every day. SR isn't the majority of the market anymore, but it's still a big chunk, and drives much of the demand.
84 million LCs going from $.01 to over $4 tells me they have the money to manipulate the BC market. Litecoin jumped almost $2 since the drama started. After following this so closely, I place blame on Litecoin, and not Atlantis (directly), for a trade war. Now, if only Bitcoin/Mtgox would adjust their formula (algorithm) so that we don't have such fluctuation. 200,000 coins traded shouldn't affect the market this much, especially when the vast majority of the coins sold during the slide are over what the weighted average will bottom out at. Conversely, it shouldn't go up $20 when there's only 60,000 coins traded.
Makes me wish the Bitcoin developers would attack Litecoin to see how they like it.
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We still have to copy & paste it into GPA to decrypt the message. So if somebody would alter it "on-the-fly" we could simply not decrypt the message.
Suppose all messages encrypted via their system were encrypted not only with your public key but with an LE's PGP key as well. You'd never know the difference. Every address could be auto-copied to LE.
Not saying it is, but it's plausible.
Now, using PGP in the same fashion as it's used on Silk Road would be safe on any market, even one owned and operated by LE.
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I'm still staying on SR. But Atlantis has some nice forum and site design though :)
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atlantis is still pretty small, but at least they are constantly updating their site. I dont think SR will ever be updated again.
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obvious scam/honeypot is obvious
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obvious scam/honeypot is obvious
Proof?
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obvious scam/honeypot is obvious
Proof?
Air Jordan is obviously one of those people that know everything. lolz
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Just in point of fact, depending on how the automatic encryption is implemented, that may or may not actually be secure at this moment. In any event, it cannot be guaranteed to remain the same even if it is secure today. The site could change on the fly and nobody would notice until it was too late.
Or, depending on how it's done, it may not even make use of the public key it claims to. To say that it's as secure as manual PGP encryption is a lie, plain and simple. Saying it "is secure today," may not be... but I don't care enough to check, frankly. Maybe if Atlantis didn't seem to make such ridiculous claims even on the front page of the site, I'd feel differently, but hey -- I guess I'll never know.
If you think I'm being biased or unfair: at least one person over there is stretching truth so far that it snaps.
Hi SS,
We absolutely respect your opinion and you do great things for the community.
That said, we dont understand one aspect here, although it maybe just because your understanding of these aspects is far superior to ours.
@ Atlantis only our Public Key is inserted into the Profile.
That means the server only uses this key to encrypt messages.
We still have to copy & paste it into GPA to decrypt the message. So if somebody would alter it "on-the-fly" we could simply not decrypt the message.
If a User has NOT SAVED this Pub Key he will receive his message in Plaintext.
We already messaged the Atlantis Admin and suggested showing the use of Encryption by a Lock or something. Here we could see an aspect where a "Fake lock" would be feasible. But NOT with the simple upload of an GPG Public Key.
We hope our reasoning is formulated clear enough.
Care to elaborate ?
Now I've got to make it clear that my PGP knowledge is slim, but I can read Wikipedia articles about it. When a message is encrypted, a random key is generated, then the message is encrypted with the random key. Then the random key is encrypted with the public key, and the encrypted random key is sent with the encrypted message.
When the message is being decrypted, the random key is decrypted with the private key, and in turn the random key decrypts the message.
If the encrypting is being done on the server, then there must be opportunity for the random keys to be stored. Any PGP message could then be decrypted without the private key, provided one has the appropriate random key.
But besides this, the original message could simply be stored on the server before it is encrypted, or not securely deleted afterwards.
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I doubt users address is worth much. Once they start doing it, it will be all over the forums from the first bust onward. They would t get past three in a row. Then the site is trashed and all that money wasted. There is lot invest there. In time anyway. . Tough to throw that all away for a few user busts. Vendors don't post addresses.
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I personally don't care what the Atlantis admin has to say here. The fewer posts and discussions we have about Atlantis and the other market sites, the better. The other market sites are not significant. If you disagree with me, you must not be a member. Sign up and browse them. It is what it is. Talking about them implies and suggests that they have significance. I like the lack of moderation in these forums in some ways and in others I don't. I realize there is far too much to moderate. There's a much looser tone, lower intelligence requirement, and lowered inhibitions because of this.
Wow, (place insult here) nice insult from Twohat, what a dick..I would be more intelligent but my inhibitions have been lowered with all the good dope off SR.. ;) lmfao
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Now I've got to make it clear that my PGP knowledge is slim, but I can read Wikipedia articles about it. When a message is encrypted, a random key is generated, then the message is encrypted with the random key. Then the random key is encrypted with the public key, and the encrypted random key is sent with the encrypted message.
When the message is being decrypted, the random key is decrypted with the private key, and in turn the random key decrypts the message.
If the encrypting is being done on the server, then there must be opportunity for the random keys to be stored. Any PGP message could then be decrypted without the private key, provided one has the appropriate random key.
But besides this, the original message could simply be stored on the server before it is encrypted, or not securely deleted afterwards.
They are having a very substantial debate about the very thing you are talking about right now on Atlantis. I learned a lot reading it.
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=235.0
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Just in point of fact, depending on how the automatic encryption is implemented, that may or may not actually be secure at this moment. In any event, it cannot be guaranteed to remain the same even if it is secure today. The site could change on the fly and nobody would notice until it was too late.
Or, depending on how it's done, it may not even make use of the public key it claims to. To say that it's as secure as manual PGP encryption is a lie, plain and simple. Saying it "is secure today," may not be... but I don't care enough to check, frankly. Maybe if Atlantis didn't seem to make such ridiculous claims even on the front page of the site, I'd feel differently, but hey -- I guess I'll never know.
If you think I'm being biased or unfair: at least one person over there is stretching truth so far that it snaps.
This.
They can prove themselves, sure. But they can do it with someone else. I like this cabin. :)
Plus the name Vladimir seems poserish. DPR is much more likeable. :P
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People are dumb enough to elect a president with the name Hussein.
if Obama's name was 'Jerry Curl Hitler' he'd STILL be a better candidate than anyone the republicans have put on a national ticket in the last 20 years.
I'd like to think most SR users are smarter than this.
Shills, one and all. Anyone who can't be bought out is taken out. Anyone who can be bought out is not worth their salt and shouldn't be our Commander-in-Chief. Seriously! He's our Commander-in-Chief!!!!
THE FUCK.
Lesser of two evils is NOT good enough. I don't understand why anyone thinks it is.
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hmmm, the whole deal seems sly as fuck, who uses words like '' we would never resort to dodgy tactics' that sentence in its self is dodgy lol.
Dont buy it and neither should any one, if you read between the lines where he mentions about SR having past issues and the site going down he is clearly having a dig.
By all means go to Atlantis if you really need to but Im staying put, got a bad feeling, real bad, trust me on this one.
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dont say i didnt warn you lol
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damn, a lot of these sr users are paranoid fucks haha.
*forest gump voice*
"and thats all i have to say...., about that."
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damn, a lot of these sr users are paranoid fucks haha.
*forest gump voice*
"and thats all i have to say...., about that."
What do you expect from a bunch of potheads? ;D
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Why use atlantis when you have SR?...Even if SR is down is much good than atlantis. Why? Because DPR proved being a right person and not LE.
You must be crazy to open a vendor account on Atlantis and admit you are vendor on SR too...
Stay stick with SR and you'll be safe!
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I'll never use another site as long as SR IS UP AND RUNNING.. But i will have back ups just in case..
As far as the PGP they have on their site, if i ever use it , i will be usong my own PGP encryption not there's AT ALL..
I dont trust that.. But Iv been here not long after they started and will continue to be here as long as we stand, but i admit i like knowing we have other alternatives in case the worst were to happen, Iv gotton to where i dont even use SR as much as i use to, but i love just coming to the forums and chit chating with our great community..
SR IS LIKE NO OTHER, SITE AND FORUMS, I LOVE IT !! DPR ALWAYS HAS AA'S SUPPORT AND BUSINESS BEFORE ANY OTHER.
I am excited to see this new site launch soon also though, BMR has been the only competition so far, and they r not even on the same level, I hate the layout of BMR SR and atlantis are the best way to set it up IMO..
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Im still not sure about atlantis, but i can guarantee that im staying loyal to SR. not for some mad sense of loyalty but because it is tried tested and true.
props to vladimir for not ragging on anybody but DPR has earned his reputation and in my opinion vlad has not.
They make some outlandish claims over on atlantis that haven't been proven yet either such as their security measures are "the best around" etc and i wonder how they could know this if they stated in a seperate post that they haven't been attacked in the what, 7 weeks they have been around?
It all seems a bit dodgy over there and i dont see any reason to spend money on something and put personal info into the site even through PGP, when i dont need to as i already have an account on SR. Less accounts less problems is the way i see it.
It's gotta be SR for me anyway for too many reasons i cant be bothered writing as there is too many.