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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: munkies on March 30, 2013, 04:38 pm
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I hope you are able to sleep at night knowing that you put innocent people that never did or meant any harm upon others in dirty cages. I bet you are really proud of yourself every morning when you look in the mirror, proud of being a tool for a government that will never give a shit about you. You are so brainwashed you actually think you are doing something truly great when you bust a dealer. You hate drugs, you are disgusted by drug users and sellers, yet you drown your brain and destroy your liver by drinking alcohol to escape all the horrors of your job.
When you were young, you joined the academy thinking you can change the world, bring justice, serve the people. You loved this job. Is this the same feeling you have now? Do you like being a cop? When's the last time anyone thanked you for your service?
Everyone hates you, you are a disgusting filth. Even your kids and spouse hates you, they don't tell you that, but how do you think they felt when you weren't there for their birthday/anniversary? Ahh you were doing something more important like busting a fuckface for scoring smack on a back alley. Ahh you are such a hero! Congratulations!
You see the war on drugs has done nothing. With the war on drugs you lost whatever little respect people had for you. What do you think a mother thinks about you, when you send her 19 year old kid to the cage just because he had a flower called marijuana in his pocket? I bet she loves you, she will thank you for it every time she will see you. You have become the disgusting filth that you wanted to fight. Of course you hate your job, of course you can barely sleep at night, you know something's not right but the brainwashing and propaganda have taken over. Now you are a slave, a machine, a tool and nothing more. Do you think your master, the government will ever shed a tear if you die on duty? They won't give a fuck about you. Never!
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Dude grow the fk up there just doing a job like the rest of us someone has to control our society or we would be in complete chaos.
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Dude grow the fk up there just doing a job like the rest of us someone has to control our society or we would be in complete chaos.
While I do not endorse his rant, you are completely wrong. Do you not see that things are getting WORSE with more cops every day? Common sense will tell you this is a lie. It's a lie they feed you to keep things as they are.
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Sigh. I agree with all 3 of you. Nothing is so black and white though. The majority of my experiences with LE while obviously not pleasant, turned out ok simply because the officers themselves were respectable people. I could have had my 3 strikes by now if it weren't for nice cops. They absolutely do good things for us. At least in most the countries we are from, look how safe we are day to day... There are areas where this isn't quite so true, but really the levels of random violence are pretty low in most places. This is because of our strong governments. Just look at the countries where the government does not have control, and vigilantes and gangs rule.
I also agree they are brainwashed about drugs, they see the worst of the worst day to day. Many more legal things ruin just as many peoples lives except those things aren't illegal. I think all governments will always be scared of drugs unfortunately. I do every god damn thing possible to avoid contact with LE because there is a small but substantial percentage of them that are not good people. These assholes are the ones ruining lives. I've seen my share of police brutality, and blatant lies on police reports and all that. I now realize that you NEED to have cameras. Hidden cameras in your home and vehicle. Then show up to court and flip them the bird as they toss the case out. But seriously, Fuck LE.
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Although this is kinda off topic.. but back in college once I was at a buddies place and we were all drinking. Now his older brother (few years older then us) was a cop. A rookie/newbie cop, but he was always chill and had gone to highschool with us. So we were all getting shitfaced, and there was some blow going out discreetly. To my surprise, the friends brother (reminder: was absolutely a cop) actually took a bump infront of me. He was fucking drunk as shit and just did it. I'm not sure if it was a lapse in judgement or if he routinely partied like that, but I thought that was cool. Odd, but cool. Dunno if he stayed a cop or what.. but I had always thought that even though cops will sometimes take peoples drugs and resell to friends/family, I had never heard of a cop casually USING. Especially coke.
I always thought they get piss tested all the time and even 1 strike they're fucked.
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and I hope they burn in hell! :p
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It's not LE I hate... they're just a bunch of tools who hate people and now need to beat them up for a living. They really have no fucking idea what they're doing and they don't think enough to realize that a lot of what they do is bullshit. They just like to exercise their power, the same way we like to exercise our power to order and use whatever drugs we like.
It's the politicians I hate. They created this "war on drugs," have completely backwards ideas on how to solve social problems, and keep pouring money into drug convictions and programs.
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Dude grow the fk up there just doing a job like the rest of us someone has to control our society or we would be in complete chaos.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. For 99.9% of human history there were no police, and at no time in history was there more murder, war, and CHAOS than now. Police are not here to prevent "chaos" as you put it, they are here to protect the property of the ruling class and their luxurious lifestyles. The idea is for poor and working people to live in a state of chaos due to police violence against them so they cannot organize for revolutionary struggle. The police serve as a well trained army that spans the earth and can be called upon at any time to carry out any task the ruling class desires. The claim that they are "just doing a job like the rest of us" is irrelevant. They are your enemy, unless you enjoy living life on this plantation.
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redfunguy, go buy yourself a history book. The Mongol Conquests (which later established the Silk Road) left 60 million people dead. The Holocaust left millions dead. And genocide in Rwanda has left hundreds of thousands dead.
Or just look around at the present day, take Mexico for example, where the police are para-military in cahoots with narcos. 120,000 dead in six years.
Cops have a place in society. Perhaps you disagree with some of the laws they enforce, but I believe they do more good than harm.
lelmeriodic
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It's the politicians I hate. They created this "war on drugs," have completely backwards ideas on how to solve social problems, and keep pouring money into drug convictions and programs.
Yeah, that's the source and the only place a solution can come from.
Dude grow the fk up there just doing a job like the rest of us someone has to control our society or we would be in complete chaos.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. For 99.9% of human history there were no police, and at no time in history was there more murder, war, and CHAOS than now. Police are not here to prevent "chaos" as you put it, they are here to protect the property of the ruling class and their luxurious lifestyles. The idea is for poor and working people to live in a state of chaos due to police violence against them so they cannot organize for revolutionary struggle. The police serve as a well trained army that spans the earth and can be called upon at any time to carry out any task the ruling class desires. The claim that they are "just doing a job like the rest of us" is irrelevant. They are your enemy, unless you enjoy living life on this plantation.
Now I'm no history buff, but I'm pretty certain there have been some form of police since the first human civilization. Someone has to be in power, that's just how it is. Thieves and murderers are just a fact of life. They have always been around and most likely always will be. So that gives the police a job. Yeah you're right that they are just the ruling class's gang, doing their fucked up bidding, but we have it pretty good right now. If we didn't have this government then the next most powerful person with the biggest gang would take over immediately. Not ALL LE are pieces of shit, many of them really went into the field to try and help people. Most didn't stay that way though. I guess my point is some of them that spend their days dealing with real crime which is what they enjoy, will still have to bust some drug users regardless of whether they want to or not. Now the LE that are reading this, that is an entirely different matter, what OP said.
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The federal bureaucratic rules against drugs are the real problem. Still, individual cops piss me off too because they are indeed worthless tools enforcing unjust laws. It falls to the individual because there's plenty of cops who don't care about petty bullshit, and there's cops who love to power-trip and get a boner from fucking over some kid with weed.
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i started to type but i had to stop and erase everything!
it might have incriminated me later.....
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i started to type but i had to stop and erase everything!
it might have incriminated me later.....
Yeah, have done the same 20 times tonight.
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Now I'm no history buff, but I'm pretty certain there have been some form of police since the first human civilization.
Since when does human history start with civilization? Research before you type. And there is nothing civil about civilization these days. Every one of them is designed by rich people, for rich people to get richer on the suffering of the poor.
Dude grow the fk up there just doing a job like the rest of us someone has to control our society or we would be in complete chaos.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. For 99.9% of human history there were no police, and at no time in history was there more murder, war, and CHAOS than now. Police are not here to prevent "chaos" as you put it, they are here to protect the property of the ruling class and their luxurious lifestyles. The idea is for poor and working people to live in a state of chaos due to police violence against them so they cannot organize for revolutionary struggle. The police serve as a well trained army that spans the earth and can be called upon at any time to carry out any task the ruling class desires. The claim that they are "just doing a job like the rest of us" is irrelevant. They are your enemy, unless you enjoy living life on this plantation.
^ This.
The Australia Aboriginals were nomadic, they lived wherever there was fresh food. They managed to live peacefully and exist for over 50,000 years, no world-wars, no religious cults, of the 200 or so Aboriginal languages that are known, not one of them have words for 'civilization' or 'greed'.
We've been so called "civilized" for, lets say 5000 years? (feel free to argue this point), and have a look at the state of the world we live in. It's a fucking joke. Completely obsessed with money and power. Basically just pure greed. Wanting what you don't need.
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Now I'm no history buff, but I'm pretty certain there have been some form of police since the first human civilization.
Since when does human history start with civilization? Research before you type. And there is nothing civil about civilization these days. Every one of them is designed by rich people, for rich people to get richer on the suffering of the poor.
I didn't say human history started with civilization. But time before civilization is irrelevant, as that is what he have now. I just meant civilization like we could communicate with speaking, living in an organized manner. That's probably a little off the real definition but yeah. I'm poor, but I sure as shit ain't suffering any more than the rich. People need problems in their lives.
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People need problems in their lives like you don't need a bullet in the head.
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People need problems in their lives like you don't need a bullet in the head.
So either you're agreeing with me or saying I need a bullet in my head?
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Asphinctersayswhat.
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Asphinctersayswhat.
what
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Thought so.
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Fuck all that shit, Cops are the stinking lapdogs of the scum of the earth, Politicians.
May they all burn to death in a slow, horrible fashion.
After that miracle happens, we'll be at the beck and call of good old Mother Nature. Survival of the fittest, just as it should be ;)
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It's the politicians I hate. They created this "war on drugs," have completely backwards ideas on how to solve social problems, and keep pouring money into drug convictions and programs.
Yeah, that's the source and the only place a solution can come from.
Dude grow the fk up there just doing a job like the rest of us someone has to control our society or we would be in complete chaos.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. For 99.9% of human history there were no police, and at no time in history was there more murder, war, and CHAOS than now. Police are not here to prevent "chaos" as you put it, they are here to protect the property of the ruling class and their luxurious lifestyles. The idea is for poor and working people to live in a state of chaos due to police violence against them so they cannot organize for revolutionary struggle. The police serve as a well trained army that spans the earth and can be called upon at any time to carry out any task the ruling class desires. The claim that they are "just doing a job like the rest of us" is irrelevant. They are your enemy, unless you enjoy living life on this plantation.
Now I'm no history buff, but I'm pretty certain there have been some form of police since the first human civilization. Someone has to be in power, that's just how it is. Thieves and murderers are just a fact of life. They have always been around and most likely always will be. So that gives the police a job. Yeah you're right that they are just the ruling class's gang, doing their fucked up bidding, but we have it pretty good right now. If we didn't have this government then the next most powerful person with the biggest gang would take over immediately. Not ALL LE are pieces of shit, many of them really went into the field to try and help people. Most didn't stay that way though. I guess my point is some of them that spend their days dealing with real crime which is what they enjoy, will still have to bust some drug users regardless of whether they want to or not. Now the LE that are reading this, that is an entirely different matter, what OP said.
Thieves and murderers you say? Well that sounds awfully like our beloved governments. Sending kids to war, stealing our money, calling it taxes, and putting people in cages. All the institutions of the state are corrupt. You don't see them policing themselves that often, do you? Assaulting a police officer will land you in jail for a long time, but what happens when an officer assaults a person? 99% of the time nothing. Only if the media picks it up and turns it into a huge scandal. Governments hate responsibility, they run away from it. Can someone tell me how we can trust these people to protect us, people for which only greed and power matters. Cops will do whatever they are told. We're supposed to think we live in democracies, but if you are smart enough you realize this is plain fascism.
People are supposed to work to support the elites. Think about many of the jobs today - most of them are worthless. Millions of people working for bank, approving people for credits, which in essence is slavery. Think about it, most of us are just a few paychecks away from losing EVERYTHING. We have no real power and the only reason there is the police is to remind us constantly of our place.
Why are drugs illegal? Drugs interfere with the way society is set up, they do not serve the elites, they make you see the world as it really is, you stop giving a fuck about all the propaganda. Of course some are dangerous and addictive like heroin, but so is alcohol and that's legal. Also there is no danger with weed, lsd, magic mushrooms, ecstasy, khat, mescalin. They want you to think that your only goal in life is to work and make money. That's why they pay you more to work overtime, you have less time to think about shit. They want you to love money, they want you to think that you can become rich and happy by working, which of course never happens...
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It's the politicians I hate. They created this "war on drugs," have completely backwards ideas on how to solve social problems, and keep pouring money into drug convictions and programs.
Yeah, that's the source and the only place a solution can come from.
Dude grow the fk up there just doing a job like the rest of us someone has to control our society or we would be in complete chaos.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. For 99.9% of human history there were no police, and at no time in history was there more murder, war, and CHAOS than now. Police are not here to prevent "chaos" as you put it, they are here to protect the property of the ruling class and their luxurious lifestyles. The idea is for poor and working people to live in a state of chaos due to police violence against them so they cannot organize for revolutionary struggle. The police serve as a well trained army that spans the earth and can be called upon at any time to carry out any task the ruling class desires. The claim that they are "just doing a job like the rest of us" is irrelevant. They are your enemy, unless you enjoy living life on this plantation.
Now I'm no history buff, but I'm pretty certain there have been some form of police since the first human civilization. Someone has to be in power, that's just how it is. Thieves and murderers are just a fact of life. They have always been around and most likely always will be. So that gives the police a job. Yeah you're right that they are just the ruling class's gang, doing their fucked up bidding, but we have it pretty good right now. If we didn't have this government then the next most powerful person with the biggest gang would take over immediately. Not ALL LE are pieces of shit, many of them really went into the field to try and help people. Most didn't stay that way though. I guess my point is some of them that spend their days dealing with real crime which is what they enjoy, will still have to bust some drug users regardless of whether they want to or not. Now the LE that are reading this, that is an entirely different matter, what OP said.
Thieves and murderers you say? Well that sounds awfully like our beloved governments. Sending kids to war, stealing our money, calling it taxes, and putting people in cages. All the institutions of the state are corrupt. You don't see them policing themselves that often, do you? Assaulting a police officer will land you in jail for a long time, but what happens when an officer assaults a person? 99% of the time nothing. Only if the media picks it up and turns it into a huge scandal. Governments hate responsibility, they run away from it. Can someone tell me how we can trust these people to protect us, people for which only greed and power matters. Cops will do whatever they are told. We're supposed to think we live in democracies, but if you are smart enough you realize this is plain fascism.
People are supposed to work to support the elites. Think about many of the jobs today - most of them are worthless. Millions of people working for bank, approving people for credits, which in essence is slavery. Think about it, most of us are just a few paychecks away from losing EVERYTHING. We have no real power and the only reason there is the police is to remind us constantly of our place.
Why are drugs illegal? Drugs interfere with the way society is set up, they do not serve the elites, they make you see the world as it really is, you stop giving a fuck about all the propaganda. Of course some are dangerous and addictive like heroin, but so is alcohol and that's legal. Also there is no danger with weed, lsd, magic mushrooms, ecstasy, khat, mescalin. They want you to think that your only goal in life is to work and make money. That's why they pay you more to work overtime, you have less time to think about shit. They want you to love money, they want you to think that you can become rich and happy by working, which of course never happens...
Yeah, that's what I mentioned earlier about governments being scared of drugs. Thing is, we all are all responsible for are own lives. Is shit fucked up? yeah. That's how it's going to be. Like I said, I have first hand experience with police brutality, with absolutely no recourse available, because a pigs word is basically law. Most of us need to work in life to have what most of us call acceptable living conditions. This isn't hard to achieve. We are at a point in history where we are extremely productive, lots of people only work 8 hour days 5 days a week and live very comfortably. Humans historically worked much longer days just to survive. Survival isn't even on most of our minds day to day. We have much more trivial things to worry about as in how to improve our quality of life. Without the strong government this is not possible. I very recently had a government agency come in and help out me and others very professionally. In that instance I was pretty proud of them for how well they handled it. Happiness is all on you. People tend to enslave themselves, rack up bills for things they don't need and get stuck at a job they hate. People are inherently afraid of change and like to feel safe and comfortable. Fuck that, you aren't happy? Go do something else. Fuck LE though I agree.
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Yeah I missed the first half of your post, and I completely agree with you. We are very close to powerless and yes the government does absolutely steal peoples lives without any kind of just reasoning. I have no loyalty to them whatsoever, I have a healthy fear of them, that I am able to keep under control to do what little I can to fight back in my own way. As we all know, just have to do your thing and prepare for the day they try to fuck you. It won't surprise me one bit if I find myself in a fucking cell, and I absolutely no not commit any crimes that hurt others. I just have to everything in my power to try to avoid this when the shit hits the fan. Until then, I go about my day freely and live a good life.
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Dear LE,
Roses are red, your uniform blue.
Taking my parcels, makes me hate you.
The war on drugs is a bloody joke, So why not
say fuck it, and let us share a gram of coke.
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Can't agree more about the mother having a child incarcerated over herb. This is why non smokers are voting to legalize it. Non smokers are seeing family and friends who are knowingly good people being dismissed and labeled by the government and enforcement as high level criminals. Protect and serve is part of the job for police but I am willing to bet that at least half of their day consist of writing tickets and penalizing civilians that could have fed their families for a month with that money over some stupid citation. Or better yet, arresting a parent and making another welfare child. Good work officer. I don't see LE as an enemy or anything. I do know several of them see us as the enemy though. So stay safe people! Best to just avoid them.
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We are very close to powerless and yes the government does absolutely steal peoples lives without any kind of just reasoning. I have no loyalty to them whatsoever, I have a healthy fear of them, that I am able to keep under control to do what little I can to fight back in my own way
To function properly and fairly, a Government must fear its citizens, not the other way around. Fearing a Government gives them more power to abuse you with and it is not a healthy thing.
How does a Government end up fearing its citizens? Through a little thing called "Protesting". Protesting against whatever it is you don't like. Joining together with like-minded people to choke up city streets and get everyones attention to what you're protesting about. Why does this not happen on the scale that it used to in the 60's 70's and 80's ? Because the Governments have brainwashed everyone into thinking that work and money is the be-all and end-all of life itself. People do not protest any more because they are too busy looking out for themselves working their lives away for a dismal amount of money. 'Too tired to protest' is exactly what the governments want to read on your Twitter pages and your Facebook pages.
Slaves feared their masters because if they didn't work they would be whipped. Why do you fear your Government? You'll likely be whipped in a politically correct way: lose your job, your family, your lifestyle. Everything you hold so dear. We must be willing to sacrifice these things if any sort of change is to happen.
I think the fact that Governments will throw you in prison for not letting them steal (tax) your hard-earned cash sums them up perfectly. Greedy, power hungry scum.
More on tax - If governments taxed the super-rich half of what they earn yearly, it would be ten times the amount of tax they are currently stealing off the poor. And those same super-rich people would still be super-rich.
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We are very close to powerless and yes the government does absolutely steal peoples lives without any kind of just reasoning. I have no loyalty to them whatsoever, I have a healthy fear of them, that I am able to keep under control to do what little I can to fight back in my own way
To function properly and fairly, a Government must fear its citizens, not the other way around. Fearing a Government gives them more power to abuse you with and it is not a healthy thing.
How does a Government end up fearing its citizens? Through a little thing called "Protesting". Protesting against whatever it is you don't like. Joining together with like-minded people to choke up city streets and get everyones attention to what you're protesting about. Why does this not happen on the scale that it used to in the 60's 70's and 80's ? Because the Governments have brainwashed everyone into thinking that work and money is the be-all and end-all of life itself. People do not protest any more because they are too busy looking out for themselves working their lives away for a dismal amount of money. 'Too tired to protest' is exactly what the governments want to read on your Twitter pages and your Facebook pages.
Slaves feared their masters because if they didn't work they would be whipped. Why do you fear your Government? You'll likely be whipped in a politically correct way: lose your job, your family, your lifestyle. Everything you hold so dear.
I think our government does fear us, thus the otherwise completely unreasonable crackdown on citizens who have done nothing to harm society. I fear them because they are vastly more powerful than I. Work isn't a concern, if I'm a free man I can find work guaranteed, the concern is prison.
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YOU cannot do shit against the government, you're right there. They currently have everybody by the balls and are squeezing little bundles of cash from them every day.
But WE can do something. Understand? Protesting? Camaraderie? It used to be a basic human urge to huddle together for security in numbers. Now, no-one gives a shit about the next bloke because "Police" provide all the security. LOL.
Fucken milk drinkers - The next 100 years should be very interesting indeed. Too bad I won't be here to see it.
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Asphinctersayswhat.
LOL
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Milk ???
geez i dont even drink milk from the shop anymore :)
it started to do things to my stomache that disturbed me ???
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Dude grow the fk up there just doing a job like the rest of us someone has to control our society or we would be in complete chaos.
If I hire someone to rape babies they will just be doing a job like the rest of us. Does that excuse them as well? People who argue "they are just doing a job" really absolutely must have some ulterior motive for being police apologists, because your logic falls apart as soon as I say I will hire someone to rape babies or murder innocent people. So either you are okay with ANY behavior so long as it is the result of a paid job, or else you are making an exception for the police that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they are "just" doing a job.
Also I imagine you excuse the Gestapo and Stasi as well, because after all "someone has to control society" and so if some group controls society therefor all of their crimes against humanity are excused? I think you are the one who needs to grow the fuck up, and open your eyes to the fucking retarded logic you use in apologizing for the atrocities committed by these vicious slave traders.
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Although this is kinda off topic.. but back in college once I was at a buddies place and we were all drinking. Now his older brother (few years older then us) was a cop. A rookie/newbie cop, but he was always chill and had gone to highschool with us. So we were all getting shitfaced, and there was some blow going out discreetly. To my surprise, the friends brother (reminder: was absolutely a cop) actually took a bump infront of me. He was fucking drunk as shit and just did it. I'm not sure if it was a lapse in judgement or if he routinely partied like that, but I thought that was cool. Odd, but cool. Dunno if he stayed a cop or what.. but I had always thought that even though cops will sometimes take peoples drugs and resell to friends/family, I had never heard of a cop casually USING. Especially coke.
I always thought they get piss tested all the time and even 1 strike they're fucked.
Wow that is so cool cops are just like us and they party and take drugs too , so that makes them totally cool and we should totally forgive them and embrace them. Except your friends fuckwad brother probably has arrested hundreds of people for doing the same shit he was doing, and that is the reason why he needs to have his back throw up against a wall and filled up with fucking bullets.
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redfunguy, go buy yourself a history book. The Mongol Conquests (which later established the Silk Road) left 60 million people dead. The Holocaust left millions dead. And genocide in Rwanda has left hundreds of thousands dead.
Or just look around at the present day, take Mexico for example, where the police are para-military in cahoots with narcos. 120,000 dead in six years.
Cops have a place in society. Perhaps you disagree with some of the laws they enforce, but I believe they do more good than harm.
lelmeriodic
I don't know much at all about the Mongol conquests, but the holocaust was perpetrated by....a government, included the police of the government. The genocide in Rwanda was perpetrated by....a government, including the police of the government. You seem to clearly admit that the police in Mexico work for the drug cartels. So really I don't understand your post. I mean, clearly redfunguy is wrong to think that there have not been people roughly equivalent to police for much of human history, but all of the examples you gave were examples of out of control government and police agencies (Heard of Gestapo? Heard of Stasi?) murdering their own citizens. So really I think you just gave some good examples that show "just doing a job" is not a fucking excuse for the behavior of the police, or are you a Nazi apologist ?
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Okay, without cops, society would fall apart. This was proven during the police strike in Toronto in the 1980's and no one can question the social check that LEOs have on the general public.
Having said that, the profession tends to attract far too many type-A, quarterback personalities who think they're god's gift to the badge. When I first started in LE, I thought it was just me being new, but no - a lot of cops are genuinely dicks. Why? See above. They have unmet personality needs, unmet ambition, unmet needs to please superiors, to get promoted, to get better cars, to get a look for the narc division, or the detective division, or the K-9 div, or whatever it is that they currently are not. They tend to be cliquish, and most don't give a damn (if they've been there awhile) about conviction rates. Then, there's the one or two who love the little notes that go in your box telling you your guy was convicted. But, most cops feel they've done their job if a traffic stop culminates in an arrest, without incident. Another notch in the belt. Another blue form with your name on it.
I had a different experience, which I would love to tell you about, but which might expose me. Suffice it to say that, while so many times you're stuck picking up the mess that other people made (murders, serious injuries), my position in the department made it possible for me to actually help victims of violence, and connect them with resources that could continue to help them long after I had gone. Meh. said too much already.
Generally speaking, cops are dicks, cogs in the wheel of government machinery designed to inhibit personal freedom and enforce the maximum level of control. They are the foot soldiers in the war on drugs. They have us outgunned, and so our only defense is the law. Because they don't know the law as well as they think they do, and run roughshod over it all the time. The 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th amendments are your friends. Get to know them very well.
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redfunguy, go buy yourself a history book. The Mongol Conquests (which later established the Silk Road) left 60 million people dead. The Holocaust left millions dead. And genocide in Rwanda has left hundreds of thousands dead.
Or just look around at the present day, take Mexico for example, where the police are para-military in cahoots with narcos. 120,000 dead in six years.
Cops have a place in society. Perhaps you disagree with some of the laws they enforce, but I believe they do more good than harm.
lelmeriodic
I think people are forgetting, or just don't know, that humans have been around for 200,000 years. So yes, I stand by my claim that for almost all of that time there has not been police. The nation state concept is only a few thousand years old itself, and the modern incarnation of the nations state only hundreds of years old. The vast majority of the death and war during the human race's time on earth has happened during this period, and has increased during the last portion of that period just as the idea and implementation of police has increased. As the world's ruling class grows more aggressive and violent, the utilization and expansion of the use of police has increased as well. Police serve to protect the assets of the ruling class and as that class creates more reasons for common people to rise up and crush it it increases its use of police. Watch the documentary The Farm to see what police are really here for. I also hold true that death does not just come from war, but from such things as sanctions and the withholding of food. People are starving today not because of a food production shortage, but because of a intentional lack of food distribution. Fertile land is used for corn production, not the corn you eat, but the corn you give yourself diabetes with by eating processed snack foods and drinking soda pop. If people in need of real food were to take part of that land and grow actual food on it they would be smashed by the police. The death from hunger around the world is a direct result of actions of the ruling class that are back by force by the police.
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oh fer fucks sake people...
so much negativity...
why?....
lest we forget....we're here to make money...get our fix.....take care of others...what more can we want??
for real...do yur thing...support your families..like some of us....or step on....
LE will always be here...no questions...BE SAFE!! fer fucks sake people...if ya aint smart enough to know how to tell then thats yur bad luck or what ever...period...just my opinion....
Peace,
ChemCat
8)
P.S.
if yur just here to make a dollar and not contribute to the Revolution.....then more power to you....if your here to help with our cause...
then kudos to you...
if yur here to be a fucking idiot...then fuck off....this is me the male ChemCat...
i've watched alot of us talk shit and then be great people...fuck it i dont know where i am goin with this but i will say...if ya get busted by your own mistakes...then dont come cryin to us when ya get outta the pokie!!
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Like everything else in life there are good ones and bad ones. yea the asshole who arrested me for having 3 valium pills was a dick, but I've seen my fair share of nice cops. I've been caught by cops before with 3 or 4 grams of bud and the cop just made me crush it up on the sidewalk and let me go when he couldve arrested me.
One time I was by a festival and I was selling molly and i saw this guy sittin off to the side and I'm like hey u need any mollz?
He goes nah I'm good I wish i could do molly but i get drug tested at work..
I'm like oh what do you do?
Oh I'm a police officer.
My jaw dropped
and he goes dont worry this out of my jurisdiction I cant do anything to you even if i wanted, I just came here to chill for the day with my girlfriend and to see Skrillex.
I'm like ok and i dipped as fast as I could lol
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One time I was by a festival and I was selling molly and i saw this guy sittin off to the side and I'm like hey u need any mollz?
He goes nah I'm good I wish i could do molly but i get drug tested at work..
I'm like oh what do you do?
Oh I'm a police officer.
My jaw dropped
and he goes dont worry this out of my jurisdiction I cant do anything to you even if i wanted, I just came here to chill for the day with my girlfriend and to see Skrillex.
I'm like ok and i dipped as fast as I could lol
That's a hell of a story!
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I wanna be a police officer when I grow up. .
Most of us grow up eventually and become something more realistic.
Who the hell would want to be a cop?
Manhandling dirty hep C infected crooks all day long , everyone hates yu. Divorced and relationship problems , no friends moving around all the time. . . Jeese . Really?
Being a cop is a good idea for an eight year old boy, next to fireman. Immature losers.
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Yea well some people want to be cops so they can be a "cool crooked cop" and sell drugs with their police cars or watever. One of the top cops in a city where I used to live couldnt make it to court to testify on the murder case he was working on because he was sitting in jail apparently they busted him he had been selling kilos of heroin straight out of the trunk of his police cruiser IN THE POLICE PARKING LOT.
True Story google it search police Daniel Redd heroin
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This Silk Road shows everyone that we don't need cops.
This place works great without cops. Cops don't need to be everywhere , just in places they are wanted :-)
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This Silk Road shows everyone that we don't need cops.
They're called moderators. Without them, there'd be kiddie porn, rampant scamming, and the forums would be filled to overflow with spam.
There is a mountain of evidence to show that when cops all take the day off, either by strike or "blue flu," the crime rate soars exponentially. Modern society needs cops. In fact, criminal activity would be a lot harder without them. It's easier to be the one guy breaking the rules out of a thousand than to be one of a thousand crooked people. Think about it, a minute.
I entered LE out of a desire to help people. I got to do some of that. But, I also had to abuse people's civil rights (not to a legal standard, but as I look back, that's what it was), and I facilitated the war on drugs. I never planted evidence, but I suspected the practice happened. I left law enforcement for good reasons, and I wish now that I'd never gone into that profession. My heart was in the right place, but the outworking of that profession ran counter to my intentions, most of the time.
It's hard for me to "show my love for LE" in this thread. It just sounds so cynical to me. I wish harm on none of them. I hope they all get to go home at night. At the same time, I wish none of them carried guns. I know, those two pie in the sky wishes can't happen in America. But, the war on drugs has killed more cops and citizens than any war in America's history. It's far past time to end it.
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This Silk Road shows everyone that we don't need cops.
They're called moderators. Without them, there'd be kiddie porn, rampant scamming, and the forums would be filled to overflow with spam.
There is a mountain of evidence to show that when cops all take the day off, either by strike or "blue flu," the crime rate soars exponentially. Modern society needs cops. In fact, criminal activity would be a lot harder without them. It's easier to be the one guy breaking the rules out of a thousand than to be one of a thousand crooked people. Think about it, a minute.
I entered LE out of a desire to help people. I got to do some of that. But, I also had to abuse people's civil rights (not to a legal standard, but as I look back, that's what it was), and I facilitated the war on drugs. I never planted evidence, but I suspected the practice happened. I left law enforcement for good reasons, and I wish now that I'd never gone into that profession. My heart was in the right place, but the outworking of that profession ran counter to my intentions, most of the time.
It's hard for me to "show my love for LE" in this thread. It just sounds so cynical to me. I wish harm on none of them. I hope they all get to go home at night. At the same time, I wish none of them carried guns. I know, those two pie in the sky wishes can't happen in America. But, the war on drugs has killed more cops and citizens than any war in America's history. It's far past time to end it.
Thank you I was trying to write a response to that but you nailed it.
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This place works great without cops. Cops don't need to be everywhere , just in places they are wanted :-)
Right, the War on Drugs is a massive misappropriation of LE resources. That being said, there's a lot of hate on LE, but not enough on the people who make the laws.
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Prosecutors are the most gleeful assholes when it comes to throwing sick people in cages instead of treatment, and ruining the lives of people who have harmed no one.
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+1 to sleepyeyes2k2
+1 to AllDayLong
+1 to astor
All spot on.
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Prosecutors are the most gleeful assholes when it comes to throwing sick people in cages instead of treatment, and ruining the lives of people who have harmed no one.
I can agree with that, and would like to add the DAs. Motherfuckers will spend the least amount of time possible on every case, only trying to get their numbers up or whatever.
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seriously, though cops just want to get their jobs done, get shiny police cars and cool uniforms and badges, what happened to helping the people? why do cops have guns?
only a small amount of cops are smart...
(oh, and how about decentralized governments where the power is spread out to ALL people and each one is equal power? i haven't thought about this idea enough for it to be useful, but.. yeah. central governments tend to become corrupt, at any time, no matter what.)
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(oh, and how about decentralized governments where the power is spread out to ALL people and each one is equal power? i haven't thought about this idea enough for it to be useful, but.. yeah. central governments tend to become corrupt, at any time, no matter what.)
Isn't that anarchy? Decentralization works well for online currencies (Bitcoin) an marketplaces (SR), but I'm not sure it's going to result in a very effective government.
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(oh, and how about decentralized governments where the power is spread out to ALL people and each one is equal power? i haven't thought about this idea enough for it to be useful, but.. yeah. central governments tend to become corrupt, at any time, no matter what.)
Isn't that anarchy? Decentralization works well for online currencies (Bitcoin) an marketplaces (SR), but I'm not sure it's going to result in a very effective government.
i haven't thought of the idea enough
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Anyone who says, "they are just doing their job" clearly hasn't been arrested before. Haahahaha!
Pepper sprayed, tazered and beaten all for a speeding ticket. Cop asked where my home town was, and I said, "jeese it's on the map". Cop freaked out and yanked me out through the window and pepper sprayed, tazered and beaten on the side of the road.
I got a speeding ticket and a chipped tooth. I never spoke like that to a cop ever again :-(
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i haven't thought of the idea enough
Keep thinking, maybe you can write a book or something.
Anyone who says, "they are just doing their job" clearly hasn't been arrested before. Haahahaha!
Pepper sprayed, tazered and beaten all for a speeding ticket. Cop asked where my home town was, and I said, "jeese it's on the map". Cop freaked out and yanked me out through the window and pepper sprayed, tazered and beaten on the side of the road.
I got a speeding ticket and a chipped tooth. I never spoke like that to a cop ever again :-(
I have no doubt that there's something up with a lot of people who become cops. There's something about the job and the power that attracts (at least slightly) messed up people. ::)
That being said there are plenty of good cops, I call them tools.
lelmeriodici
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Cops.... oh how we love to hate them!
I have a little story I want to tell. This is a true story. Information has been changed enough so that it no longer puts anyone in danger.
Once upon a time, there was a pothead. A harmless fellow, grew his own pot in his basement, did not other drugs, owned no weapons of any sort, very peace loving hippy sort of fella. Kept to himself, had never been in trouble with the law. One day, Mr. Hippy was smoking a joint, watching TV when suddenly there came a rapping, rapping at his chamber door. Actually more of a WHAM WHAM WHAM followed by "Open up this is the police we have a warrant". Mr. Hippy was stunned but ran over to the door and unlocked it right as the cops hit it for the first time with the battering ram. The door flew open, barely missing Mr. Hippy and slamming against the wall while 5 guns were stuck in Mr. Hippy's face. Mr. Hippy was put on the floor, handcuffed and led away. The execution of the search warrant preceded and Mr. Hippy's house was cleaned out of much paraphernalia, a little bit of herb, and 5 decent sized plants ready to harvest. Mr. Hippy did not resist. Did not struggle. Did not even say anything harsh (too stunned by events) and simply respectfully asked for a lawyer. At one point, he even spoke with the cops. At the end, one of the police officers actually apologized for everything that was going on, but that they were only doing their job. The police then provided Mr. Hippy (now in jail) with a receipt for the seizure totally much paraphernalia, growing shit, and 10 decent sized marijuana plants.
Mr. Hippy's memory of the events were incredibly odd, thinking he had been busted by the nicest bunch of cops on earth, and wasn't really sure what to think about it. 3 weeks later he was released from jail because the DA had chosen not to pursue the indictment. Reason? Because this peaceful hippy that was polite, didn't resist, and had nothing but pot and pot growing stuff for what was obviously a personal stash, had actually had FIVE plants and not TEN plants. The receipt said 10, and when push came to shove, only 5 were in evidence. This broke the whole chain of evidence and made the entire search inadmissible. So... could the cops really not count? were they really so bad at their job that they grossly miscounted plants when leaving a receipt, one of the most important parts of executing a search warrant? Or did they intentionally miscount once they realized this old hippy was harmless and actually a pretty decent guy?
No way to know. The fact is that police are in a position of authority, so when one of them is dirty or abusive or corrupt, it is plastered EVERYWHERE. When they are good, considerate, decent people, nothing is heard.
My guess is that there are lots of decent people who become police. I'd further gamble most of them remain decent people throughout their careers. Unfortunately there are also those piece of shit, arrogant, pig fucking ass wipes that think they are better than the common man, and insist on lording their power over those that have none. Sadly there is no way to differentiate.
Follow the ACLU's advice when dealing with ALL cops and you'll get the best deal possible.
Remain respectful
keep your mouth shut.
damn I'm high
Thanks SR! ;)
***this story, while true, has had many elements changed to protect the TRUE story if you know what i mean!
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This place works great without cops. Cops don't need to be everywhere , just in places they are wanted :-)
Right, the War on Drugs is a massive misappropriation of LE resources. That being said, there's a lot of hate on LE, but not enough on the people who make the laws.
Without LE laws would have no meaning. I think to a good proportion it's also the fault of the general population and even drug users. If everyone would sell and usedrugs openly, LE wouldn't be able to do shit. Imagine if 1000 people would gather in a square and light up a joint. What would the cops do? Arrest everyone? Pepper spray them all, use water cannons on them. They would most likely try to intimidate and threat everyone, but what if they would not let themselves be intimidated then what? Drug use had to be demonized and the dealers and users dehumanized for this to work. Most drug users never openly admit to using drugs for fear of being stigmatized. People stereotype and stigmatize drug users because of plain ignorance and propaganda.
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kinda like the annual weed march on 4/20 cops just stand around and sont do shit while everyones tokin up in public
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(oh, and how about decentralized governments where the power is spread out to ALL people and each one is equal power? i haven't thought about this idea enough for it to be useful, but.. yeah. central governments tend to become corrupt, at any time, no matter what.)
Isn't that anarchy? Decentralization works well for online currencies (Bitcoin) an marketplaces (SR), but I'm not sure it's going to result in a very effective government.
NO it would be The Venus Project
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Venus_Project
http://www.thevenusproject.com/
no law, no money, decentralized and amazing.
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The Venus project, from what I just read, seems to be much more of an economic philosophy than a political philosophy... and I only saw the word government mentioned once on the website.
Also, it would be oxymoronic for them to recommend a decentralized government since the goals of the project, like stabilizing the world’s population through education, redesigning cities, and requiring environmental impact studies, inherently require a hierarchical organization of empowered individuals. That is, a government (whether it be de jure or de facto).
Keeeeeeep dreamin,
lelmeriodici
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Politicians are scum but they are also tools.
We must reform campaign financing. Corporations are not bloody people (pun). They do not starve.
e.g Congressman Lamar Smith of Texas, house judiciary committee, for years he refuses to discuss why marijuana is a schedule 1 narcotic.
Why? because his campaign is financed, among others, by the beer, wine and liquor industry, his 3rd largest contributor. The largest? The content industry, a dear friend to a lot of us here.
If we can't change campaign financing, well... we all know that JFK quote about revolutions
P.S the alcohol lobby gave him roughly $60000 in the last few years, not a fortune and not directly to his pocket. It is sad to think how many innocent civilians' freedoms were "bought" by those $60k
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I'm wondering if the fucktards defending the cops in this thread aren't cops themselves. Or government employees.
And the fucktards who said that without cops society would fall apart, they deserve a special mention. Why do people feel compelled to vomit the first absurd thought that crosses their minds?
There people are either cops or a bunch of stupid druggies, buying their drugs in a black market, and sucking cop's dick. Irony is dead.
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The Venus project, from what I just read, seems to be much more of an economic philosophy than a political philosophy... and I only saw the word government mentioned once on the website.
Also, it would be oxymoronic for them to recommend a decentralized government since the goals of the project, like stabilizing the world’s population through education, redesigning cities, and requiring environmental impact studies, inherently require a hierarchical organization of empowered individuals. That is, a government (whether it be de jure or de facto).
Keeeeeeep dreamin,
lelmeriodici
its actually something that i am interested in and know a lot about. it has to do with A LOT more than you think. you would learn a lot from this video, eye opening shit, most is about how financial systems work, how the economy already collapsed, global banking network scam, fiat currency scam, false flags, and governmental corruption in general. its long but damn good. also if you dont want to click a link its on youtube more than once search "Zeitgeist Addendum" as long as its 2 hours it will have enough info. it has some info on the venus project but more importantly it explains why we dont need police, money, or government as it is today and how we suppress technology to keep the rich richer and poor poorer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
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So... could the cops really not count?
Probably. They are violent thughs who get high by attacking people.
Or did they intentionally miscount once they realized this old hippy was harmless and actually a pretty decent guy?
No. It was not intentional. Cops are psychos who get paid for robbing, kidnapping and killing people. Their 'job' is to cause as much damage as possible.
The fact is that police are in a position of authority,
Really? How did you arrive at such amazing insight?
My guess is that there are lots of decent people who become police.
Your guess is wrong
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This is the dumbest thing I have ever read.
That's MY line..... ???
You don't see them policing themselves that often, do you? Assaulting a police officer will land you in jail for a long time, but what happens when an officer assaults a person? 99% of the time nothing.
This ^^ . Also, I posted something on a [edit.] -- though not in strong words -- and funnily enough my reply was not posted. On the [edit.] before posting. Wonder why. I noticed the dumb comments about cops being the Messenger from Heaven got posted, but mine? Which was way more intelligent? Yeah, go figure.
Just annoyed me a little as I took about 3 minutes writing it. It didn't seem fair to just allow the fairy godmother shit to be posted, but my post -- a good one!! >:D -- was "lost".
Cops have been around a long time btw but just not in current fuckface form.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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I'm wondering if the fucktards defending the cops in this thread aren't cops themselves. Or government employees.
... Closed minded much?
and people that want equal rights for gay people are closet gays right?
and people that want equal rights for all races must have a black person in their family tree?
Just because someone disagrees with you is no reason to assume the worst and start accusing people of being this or that. Learn to have a civilized discussion and respect the opinions of others even if they happen to disagree! Some people have had different experiences with cops than you have, that doesn't mean they are automatically in league with them. Maybe they were just lucky with the cops the HAVE interacted with?
Peace! ;)
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+1 demosthenes420
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... Closed minded much?
What?!
and people that want equal rights for gay people are closet gays right?
and people that want equal rights for all races must have a black person in their family tree?
What?? Being black or gay has nothing to do with being a fucking criminal. Your 'analogy' is hopelessly wrong.
Learn to have a civilized discussion
You suggested I'm 'close minded' - then you presented a nonsensical and irrelevant analogy, and now you're lecturing me about manners?
Go back to square one and have a nice day.
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I hope you are able to sleep at night knowing that you put innocent people that never did or meant any harm upon others in dirty cages. I bet you are really proud of yourself every morning when you look in the mirror, proud of being a tool for a government that will never give a shit about you. You are so brainwashed you actually think you are doing something truly great when you bust a dealer. You hate drugs, you are disgusted by drug users and sellers, yet you drown your brain and destroy your liver by drinking alcohol to escape all the horrors of your job.
When you were young, you joined the academy thinking you can change the world, bring justice, serve the people. You loved this job. Is this the same feeling you have now? Do you like being a cop? When's the last time anyone thanked you for your service?
Everyone hates you, you are a disgusting filth. Even your kids and spouse hates you, they don't tell you that, but how do you think they felt when you weren't there for their birthday/anniversary? Ahh you were doing something more important like busting a fuckface for scoring smack on a back alley. Ahh you are such a hero! Congratulations!
You see the war on drugs has done nothing. With the war on drugs you lost whatever little respect people had for you. What do you think a mother thinks about you, when you send her 19 year old kid to the cage just because he had a flower called marijuana in his pocket? I bet she loves you, she will thank you for it every time she will see you. You have become the disgusting filth that you wanted to fight. Of course you hate your job, of course you can barely sleep at night, you know something's not right but the brainwashing and propaganda have taken over. Now you are a slave, a machine, a tool and nothing more. Do you think your master, the government will ever shed a tear if you die on duty? They won't give a fuck about you. Never!
I loved this! Others have their opinions but i agree immensely FTP and the sooner
we realize that we are soldiers on the 'good-guy' side of this "drug war" and they are the enemy, the better. They are the soldiers for the other side
who are trying to remove my fellow soldiers (including you guys) anyway they can, whether by arrest or murder etc...
Just search 'asshole cop' on YouTube or Google and look at these actual videos of dash-cams or bystanders being harassed by the governments
bitch. Yes LE is the governments bitch, doing what they're told, when they're told, how they are told. LEO does not have a brain of his own, LEO is a robot
yeah, im sure theres good cops out there (Chris Dorner) but when these good cops try and fix the broken system they end up getting fired or dissapear or forced to desk duty.
I guess since all the murders, pedophiles, rapists, and corrupt bankers, cops, politicians, are off the streets we can afford to spend billions of dollars and
a countless amount of blood to get these drugs off our streets. Thank the government that i can have a few beers and get in my car and kill someone, or beat my wife and kids.
Almost every illicit drug is better for an individual and society than the so called legal ones.
MDMA/weed/LSD/Bombs/mushrooms/DMT > alcohol/Tobacco/prescription pills/caffeine etc
what is tobaccos medical use? how about alcohol?! c'mon!!!! even blow has a known medical use!!!!!
LIKE WTFFFFFF
Does LEO just not like to do their own research?! American states are even starting to legalize!
Seriously, id love to have a debate with any LEO any day about drugs.
Also, more innocents are killed by LEO's than LEO's killed by people...every year...probably every country too.
These are facts, and these are just the 'facts' that are public knowledge. Imagine what theyre not telling you!
Not to mention all the innocents who are still alive but rotting away in jail for crimes they didn't commit.
All because LE put the frame on or didn't follow due process or proper police procedure.
No, instead they work to get a conviction and not find the truth.
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+1 to jackofspades and bitfool
All Cops Are Bastards - ACAB
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Whatever cops do is for is for the greater good of the citizenry. That's why they get their orders from the Ministry of Love!
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Atleast not a lot of people die like in the times whenever there were no cops.
Cops have downsides, but they also have upsides.
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Atleast not a lot of people die like in the times whenever there were no cops.
WHAT?
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Think about what the money wasted in the "war on drugs" could have been used for.
It makes me sad. Really sad.
There needs to be a change. A big fucking change.
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Think about what the money wasted in the "war on drugs" could have been used for.
It makes me sad. Really sad.
There needs to be a change. A big fucking change.
Yeah... That's the dream. Keep on dreamin. Yeah I know that mindset doesn't help shit but this mofo is huge. Nothin I can do but try to hide and do my thing where I don't hurt anybody and hope I don't end up in a cell. Well shit that wasn't what I planned on saying but fuck...
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Sure police have downsides and upsides. On the upside they will allegedly help you if you are burglarized, raped, robbed, etc. They hunt down murderers and child molesters and all kinds of fine shit that is overall quite good for society. On the other hand, they ruin peoples lives over drug crimes, they enforce censorship laws ruining peoples lives over information, they protect the interests of a corrupt power elite that is only concerned with itself and not with what is best for everybody and morally acceptable, they do all kinds of nasty shit. The thing is that these behaviors can be separated! If Bob the plumber fixes my broken toilet then he did a good thing , and since I am not a plumber maybe he even does something that society requires to function at its current state of efficiency. On the other hand, if Bob the plumber fixes my toilet and then ass rapes me , I am not going to defend Bob the plumber on the grounds that he does something good for society as well. Rather, I am going to strongly suggest that we fucking kill Bob the plumber, and replace him with Joe the plumber who does not ass rape his customers. Law enforcement as a theoretical construct is fine and dandy, perhaps even indispensable for a good section of society. The law enforcement that we have in practice, in every single country in the world, is like Bob the rapist plumber. They do not need to be apologized for on the grounds that they offer services that society can not do with out, because these services could just as well be offered by people who are not vicious fucking slave traders. Nobody is really saying fuck law enforcement in general, we are saying fuck these plumbers who ass rape us after fixing our toilets, let's kill them all and replace them with some new plumbers who don't ass rape us after fixing our toilets.
At the end of the day we are far too passive. We are far morally superior to our enemies, they attack us mercilessly and unprovoked, and most of us are too afraid to even say that they are evil in doing so. Rather, many of us try to apologize for them, we make excuses for what they do, it is like saying Bob the plumber is a damn fine plumber so who cares if he rapes his customers? It is like saying Bob the plumber is just doing his job, who cares that in the process of doing his job he rapes his customers. I think the issue is that psychedelic users in particular tend to be pacified by the drugs they consume, it gives some people a more childlike mentality of naivety and always trying to see the good in things. Don't let that personality profile turn you into a fucking Nazi apologist.
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On the upside they will allegedly help you if you are burglarized, raped, robbed, etc.
False. Unless by "allegedly help" you mean "not help".