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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: TonyTheTiger on March 15, 2013, 02:53 am
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Void.
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i think the only physical harm is from the combustion during smoking. it would be healthier (and more economical) to vape or eat it. there are plenty of studies featured in the emperor wears no clothes by jack herer. he's got a chapter on legit studies and one called 'debunking gutter science' where he says how results from certain studies are biased bullshit basically. good read for the more switched on stoner. there's stuff all over the net though tbf it's just finding a somewhat trustworthy source amongst all the propaganda that's hard work.
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same as smoking tobacco. lung cancer.
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ahem, to quote aforementioned book "virtually all the carcinogens can be removed by using a water pipe system. our govt omitted this information and its significance to the results of such studies when speaking to the press. at the same time politicians outlawed the sale of water pipes, labeling them drug paraphernalia"
water pipe=bong=bowl yes??
let's see the lung cancer study then
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ahem, to quote aforementioned book "virtually all the carcinogens can be removed by using a water pipe system. our govt omitted this information and its significance to the results of such studies when speaking to the press. at the same time politicians outlawed the sale of water pipes, labeling them drug paraphernalia"
water pipe=bong=bowl yes??
let's see the lung cancer study then
I'm talking about smoking marijuana.
One study demonstrated a doubling in lung cancer for male marijuana smokers who also used tobacco.
Another study found that long-term use of marijuana increased the risk of lung cancer in young adults (55 and under), with the risk increasing in proportion to the amount of marijuana smoked.
Many of the carcinogens and co-carcinogens present in tobacco smoke are also present in smoke from marijuana.
Marijuana smoking does cause inflammation and cell damage, and it has been associated with pre-cancerous changes in lung tissue.
Marijuana has been shown to cause immune system dysfunction, possibly predisposing individuals to cancer.
(The above is taken from Wikipedia.)
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wikipedia! and you call yourself the scientist! haha jk but really without knowing the ins and outs of the studies (and who funded them) it's hard to take any statements like that as factual. like the famous study where they deprived monkeys of oxygen and pumped them full of carbon monoxide. sure the study claimed MARIJUANA CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE rather than carbon monoxide poisoning and asphyxiation cause brain damage/death.
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There is also a study that proves that the marijuana renew the cells in your body preventing cancer ...!
And since i stop using tobacco in my joints i don't have any problem with my lungs, in fact, i can run 1 hour non stop,
And i smoke marijuana everyday since 17 years now, never felt ill with it even with 20 joints/bong a day.
I have a life, a job a family, some friends and my beautiful girlfriend.
Cannabis is the less risky drug on the world (less dangerous than caffeine or sugar) for your body and for your brain (if no schyzophrenia for sure)
Propaganda is bullshitting on cannabis, because the governments don't like the drugs that keep open your eyes and consciousness, bob marley was right!
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cannabis smokers have a lower risk of developing alzheimers too. the benefits outweigh the risks imo.
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I don't know how all you guys are saying that you have been smoking for 5-10+ years and are having no ill effects from it. I am a long time smoker and I definitely feel the effects of it on my lungs/airways. Many times I will have to clear my throat and spit repeatedly just to get the feeling of phlegm out of the back of my throat. I am currently trying to ween myself off of smoking and just vaporize, but I am had to quit smoking for a week or so to get my tolerance low enough where vaporizing will get me to the same place that smoking would. Every heavy smoker could use a Tolerance break every once in a while.
Here is an article at the New York Times:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/11/marijuana-smoking-does-not-harm-lungs-study-finds/
"In the near term, smoking marijuana irritates the airways and can cause coughing, and public health advocates stress that it causes impairment that reduces attention, lowers motivation and heightens the risk of accidents. Over days or weeks, chronic use can lead to problems with learning and memory. But whether smoking marijuana sets off the type of pulmonary changes that lead to lasting damage like chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, a leading cause of death among Americans, was not entirely clear."
and then there is this:
"Dr. Kertesz noted that with heavier marijuana use, described as 10 joint-years of exposure or more, lung function did begin to decline. And for a person who smokes both marijuana and cigarettes, “the net effect is going to be continued loss of lung function.”
I think the jury is still out on just how harmful smoking MJ is to your body and I don't think we will get a definitive answer anytime soon because it is illegal and studies on it are severely limited.
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nope i'm saying that the comparatively mild harm from consuming cannabis is a direct result of the combustion/smoking which can be avoided with a vape. tony's saying he feels ok but still asking out of concern for his health.
"cannabis smoke does not cause any changes in the small airways, the area where tobacco smoke causes long term and permanent damage."
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I guess I should have worded my response better. I was mainly replying to "mastic" If you smoke MJ chronically for 10 years straight and feel no ill effects than you are Superman. Your lungs are not meant to inhale ANY kind of smoke. Vaporizing or eating is definitely the way to go.
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Health effects of hookah pipe/water pipe smoking by the World Health Organization (WHO)
CLEARNET LINK WARNING:
http://www.who.int/tobacco/global_interaction/tobreg/Waterpipe%20recommendation_Final.pdf
wikipedia hookah pipe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hookah
Interesting reading. Water pipes are NOT a healthy choice. They don't anything in fact. No filtration at all, its just for show. It could add some humidity to the smoke, making is seem like its smoother or filtered in some way, but its not. It was originally used to make harsh stale tobacco smokable again.... it was never intended to be assumed that it filters anything out. . . .
Some people absolutely swear that the government is hiding the facts about water pipes and carcinegens are removed , yadda , yadda. .but the truth is out there. . it does squat!
We would all like to romantically think that pot isn't harmful, but just look at the inside of any clogged up pipe to see the truth of what it does to your lungs.. . .. that can be mitigated a bit by using a vaporizor to some degree. . or eating the stuff.. . but hey.
Try not to look at things you love with only rose-colored glasses on. I love pot more than anyone, but I also know what I scrape out of my pipes and that creosote and tar buildup is damn cancer-causing for sure. . . Taste that shit sometime. yuuuuk! You could waterproof the bottom of a ship with that stuff
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i can't stand bongs, i'm a thickshit european rolling spliffs with tobacco. can you tell how much i care about cancer? i personally use it for a combo of depression, arthritis and back pain. it works great for that, better than anything else i've tried. maybe it causes cancer. so does a lot of stuff. depression makes me want to die. cannabis makes me happy enough to be alive. that's good enough for me.
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same as smoking tobacco. lung cancer.
A study in January of 2012 I think it was proved this wrong.
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A large-scale study has been conducted. It's called 'Jamaica'
Findings are as follows:
Cannabis consumption: High
Life expectancy in 2012: 73.8
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We would all like to romantically think that pot isn't harmful, but just look at the inside of any clogged up pipe to see the truth of what it does to your lungs.. . .. that can be mitigated a bit by using a vaporizor to some degree. . or eating the stuff.. . but hey.
Try not to look at things you love with only rose-colored glasses on. I love pot more than anyone, but I also know what I scrape out of my pipes and that creosote and tar buildup is damn cancer-causing for sure. .
THIS!
Looking at my bong and seeing how mush resin and tar builds up on it after only about a weeks worth of use, really make me want to stop smoking and just vape. It is a hard transition though because smoking is just easier and it takes less weed to do.
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We would all like to romantically think that pot isn't harmful, but just look at the inside of any clogged up pipe to see the truth of what it does to your lungs.. . .. that can be mitigated a bit by using a vaporizor to some degree. . or eating the stuff.. . but hey.
Try not to look at things you love with only rose-colored glasses on. I love pot more than anyone, but I also know what I scrape out of my pipes and that creosote and tar buildup is damn cancer-causing for sure. .
THIS!
Looking at my bong and seeing how mush resin and tar builds up on it after only about a weeks worth of use, really make me want to stop smoking and just vape. It is a hard transition though because smoking is just easier and it takes less weed to do.
In my experience, vaping is usually the more economical option, though I do a bit of both.
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Of course, nobody wants live past 75 or so , as your body gets brittle and riddled with disease and forgetfulness. It's better to die high as a kite I think . Everything has to decay sooner or later . Might as well be high.
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In my experience, vaping is usually the more economical option, though I do a bit of both.
May I ask what kind of vape you have? I have to put around .3 in my vape in order to get where I want to be. If I grind up .3 and smoke it, depending on how good the bud is, there will be some left over in the grinder to smoke later.