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Title: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: fjioowqijf on March 08, 2013, 11:46 pm
Can't take them more often.

I just got some cid from JC.  Been looking for it for so long and now SR has brought it to me.  I soooo want to drop one right now, but I'm exhausted from the week and so don't think I'm in the right mindset.

I got a stash of psychs now, 2CB, MDA... but I have to wait ><  And even then, I have to space my trips out due to tolerance.

Shit sux... what drugs are good to take on a regular basis (i'm a light user btw, I dont take heroic doses).  And not EtOH or THC, I'm sick of those.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: moonflower on March 08, 2013, 11:56 pm
you could smoke dmt daily without building up a tolerance, so long as you leave about half an hour between each session. i'd assume 5-meo-dmt works the same way as well. :)
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: fjioowqijf on March 09, 2013, 12:00 am
you could smoke dmt daily without building up a tolerance, so long as you leave about half an hour between each session. i'd assume 5-meo-dmt works the same way as well. :)

Interesting!  I'm actually expecting some from rogerpete in the next few days, I'm looking forward to trying it.  Also since its much shorter acting than the other psychs thats nice, you dont have to commit to a full day when you want to trip.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: Jediknight on March 09, 2013, 12:26 am
For a daily drug, it's not too easy.  All the good ones are addictive :-).

Jeese, I've been on speed for a week now.  Managing my tolerance well.  Got 50 pills for $175.  And using about one a day, sometime two.  The first three days were wild!  Better than coke, it was great until
Tolerance built up, but now it's a good daily thing which is my point .  For less than $10. /day I got pretty good stimulation and energy and euphoria.  It's a good deal and a lot of people take Ritalin and shit like than anyway from their doc so it's not that bad.  It can be addictive , but not in a physical way if you are smart.  Most ride
For a week and crash for a few days and off and on if yo go steady.  I just do it when I'm down and lazy like yourself .  Makes a fun few weeks and the price is right.  Look up arigolo speed pills, Canada vendor.  Good stealth.  Or check out Ritalin, dexadrine, concerts, etc m it can be fun for a few weeks to get you going.

DMT and 5meo dmt are crazy to do daily.  Pot is he best daily thing and when I get bored of it, I make some honey oil or killer hash.  The extra potent dope makes the difference.

Good luck.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: wretched on March 09, 2013, 03:03 am
the ONLY problem with psychedelics is that they eventually wear off and you have to return to normal work-a-day life
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: fjioowqijf on March 09, 2013, 03:21 am
For a daily drug, it's not too easy.  All the good ones are addictive :-).

Jeese, I've been on speed for a week now.  Managing my tolerance well.  Got 50 pills for $175.  And using about one a day, sometime two.  The first three days were wild!  Better than coke, it was great until
Tolerance built up, but now it's a good daily thing which is my point .  For less than $10. /day I got pretty good stimulation and energy and euphoria.  It's a good deal and a lot of people take Ritalin and shit like than anyway from their doc so it's not that bad.  It can be addictive , but not in a physical way if you are smart.  Most ride
For a week and crash for a few days and off and on if yo go steady.  I just do it when I'm down and lazy like yourself .  Makes a fun few weeks and the price is right.  Look up arigolo speed pills, Canada vendor.  Good stealth.  Or check out Ritalin, dexadrine, concerts, etc m it can be fun for a few weeks to get you going.

DMT and 5meo dmt are crazy to do daily.  Pot is he best daily thing and when I get bored of it, I make some honey oil or killer hash.  The extra potent dope makes the difference.

Good luck.

Yeah I actually got a script for vyvanse, i enjoy it.  It gives me a good feeling throughout the day.  It's probably one of the best daily drugs I've had, but I have been taking a break from it too.  It's pretty damn expensive even with insurance, mainly b/c my doctor charges a shitload and makes me come in every 3 months to get refills.  Maybe it would be better to get stuff from here lol. 

Ive actually been meaning to look into how being on that type of stimulant would interact with other shit, or maybe if there are cross tolerance issues b/w that and other amphetamine type drugs like MDMA.  I'm not sure what the pills are you are talking about but I'm going to look into them. 
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: moonflower on March 09, 2013, 03:23 am
the ONLY problem with psychedelics is that they eventually wear off and you have to return to normal work-a-day life
you said it, brother.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: fjioowqijf on March 09, 2013, 03:27 am
the ONLY problem with psychedelics is that they eventually wear off and you have to return to normal work-a-day life

Haha.  But isn't that part of what makes them special?  The fact that your reality is altered for a little while... if it was always on it would lose its appeal.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: Joey Terrifying on March 12, 2013, 05:39 pm
you could smoke dmt daily without building up a tolerance, so long as you leave about half an hour between each session. i'd assume 5-meo-dmt works the same way as well. :)

Interesting!  I'm actually expecting some from rogerpete in the next few days, I'm looking forward to trying it.  Also since its much shorter acting than the other psychs thats nice, you dont have to commit to a full day when you want to trip.

this is why DMT is my favorite psychedelic.  just go easy on it and don't blow your mind too hard.  or do.  but then you won't want to do it again for a long time
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: vcalderone on March 12, 2013, 08:34 pm
as other have said you can smoke DMT every day, even multiple times a day.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: jmoney113 on March 12, 2013, 08:45 pm
I suppose it can be an annoyance, but also a part of the inherent beauty of psychedelics. My belief is that the psychedelic experience is not over when the compound has been broken down and left our bloodstream. On the contrary; that is when the period of deep meditative reflection should begin. The conscious experience is only half of the experience to me. Understanding the rest within one's sub and unconscious minds is simply the next stage to the process.

Yes there are the psychedelics like DMT which do not have a noticeable tolerance, but constant use would seem mundane in my eyes, and one would get lost in the euphoric muddle of psychedelia without a real understanding of the experience and its lessons, if one is seeking learning. There's a reason why many of these drugs leave you more than just physically and mentally drained, it's simply the time to find out why. :)

But to answer your question, DMT sounds like what you're looking for. Although you're not taking heroic doses, be sure to expect a herculean experience. If you're not experienced, I'm sure you'll think twice before dosing again.

Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: Sensei on March 12, 2013, 08:59 pm
I think the fact that you can't do certain psychedelics so close together due to tolerance is actually a good thing for me, I feel like it teaches me patience and the importance of moderation which is something that I have always struggled with.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: RaFaeL5 on March 13, 2013, 12:26 am
I'm not sure,
is there a cross-tolerance between mescaline and LSD?
If not, that could be a nice way to go: lsd once every 2 weeks and mescaline once every 2 weeks (up to you if you take them together or not).
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: bull3gern on March 13, 2013, 05:18 am
Haven't tried DMT yet, although I have some pharmahuasca. You could smoke a bit of Salvia d. a couple of times a day - I actually had a 3-day weekend where I did this, but only with 5X. There didn't seem to be any need to wait nor was the next bowl less potent. For me, being stuck in phychedelia-land too long was a problem - it might be cool for a few hours, but if I had to go somewhere (like to get some food) I could not and would not drive, and depending on what I was tripping on, would I even want to be out in public? Try navigating around your own room on Salvia & you'll see what I mean. Acid isn't quite that way, but you can only trip every few days.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: wretched on March 13, 2013, 11:15 am
the ONLY problem with psychedelics is that they eventually wear off and you have to return to normal work-a-day life

Haha.  But isn't that part of what makes them special?  The fact that your reality is altered for a little while... if it was always on it would lose its appeal.

I see what you're saying there, and I counter by saying that I also wish that orgasms didn't ever wear off either....but nobody would get much work done in either case :)
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: oldtoby on March 14, 2013, 12:12 am
Oh hey, someone who shares my complaint.

Psychs, neurotoxicity of MDMA... can't seem to catch a break. Louts get drunk every other night and I'm waiting a month to candyflip. I do agree that the good things are worth waiting for, and that anticipation can make them sweeter but it does seem awfully unfair. :)
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: lucidmatrix on March 14, 2013, 03:38 am
The only problem with psychedelics is that not enough of the population has tried them and too many people are afraid of them.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: incogmagnito on March 14, 2013, 04:05 am
Great thread!

So, we have tolerance, having to come down to this so-called reality, too few people tried ...

Let me throw in my personal bugbear - trip duration!

Of my favourites - acid, mescaline and DMT - all of them are either very long or very short.

Acid with 8-12 hours does take me for an amazing ride, but also by the end leaves me wishing that it would just let me go to sleep and enjoy it! Mescaline is a little bit better, but still requires at least a day for all in.
But both are really great drugs that give me something of value on pretty much every trip!

DMT is the opposite - I feel like I live thru a Big Bang to today in a space of seconds... Nothing can be brought back though, which is disappointing.

I would love to be able to find a substance that will be like acid but would take an hour or two of this time (there I do not mind it to be an eternity)

Any ideas? I have read about shorter-acting substances like 2C-B, 4-ACO-DIPT/MIPT, but they seem to be a lot less involved than acid or DMT.

May be you, honourable part takers, can help me?
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: Purple_Hue000 on March 14, 2013, 08:30 am
Great thread!

So, we have tolerance, having to come down to this so-called reality, too few people tried ...

Let me throw in my personal bugbear - trip duration!

Of my favourites - acid, mescaline and DMT - all of them are either very long or very short.

Acid with 8-12 hours does take me for an amazing ride, but also by the end leaves me wishing that it would just let me go to sleep and enjoy it! Mescaline is a little bit better, but still requires at least a day for all in.
But both are really great drugs that give me something of value on pretty much every trip!

DMT is the opposite - I feel like I live thru a Big Bang to today in a space of seconds... Nothing can be brought back though, which is disappointing.

I would love to be able to find a substance that will be like acid but would take an hour or two of this time (there I do not mind it to be an eternity)

Any ideas? I have read about shorter-acting substances like 2C-B, 4-ACO-DIPT/MIPT, but they seem to be a lot less involved than acid or DMT.

May be you, honourable part takers, can help me?

It's hard to find a psychedelic like LSD except that it only last an hour or two. Though you can try out any of the 25x-NBOMe's. Also look into the DOx family. DOx chemicals are pretty wicked and have a lot to offer are and are beautiful substances.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: Joey Terrifying on March 14, 2013, 03:00 pm
ayahuasca is great and only lasts 3-4 hours.  you can get a lot out of it and then get to sleep when its done.

same with chewed salvia divinorum.  its a deep and quite intriguing experience that is over within a couple hours of your last quid.  its a totally different kind of psychedelia tho.....not as scary as when smoked, and easier on the gastrointestinal system than aya.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: someoneelse87 on March 15, 2013, 12:20 am
Great thread!

So, we have tolerance, having to come down to this so-called reality, too few people tried ...

Let me throw in my personal bugbear - trip duration!

Of my favourites - acid, mescaline and DMT - all of them are either very long or very short.

Acid with 8-12 hours does take me for an amazing ride, but also by the end leaves me wishing that it would just let me go to sleep and enjoy it! Mescaline is a little bit better, but still requires at least a day for all in.
But both are really great drugs that give me something of value on pretty much every trip!

DMT is the opposite - I feel like I live thru a Big Bang to today in a space of seconds... Nothing can be brought back though, which is disappointing.

I would love to be able to find a substance that will be like acid but would take an hour or two of this time (there I do not mind it to be an eternity)

Any ideas? I have read about shorter-acting substances like 2C-B, 4-ACO-DIPT/MIPT, but they seem to be a lot less involved than acid or DMT.

May be you, honourable part takers, can help me?

It's hard to find a psychedelic like LSD except that it only last an hour or two. Though you can try out any of the 25x-NBOMe's. Also look into the DOx family. DOx chemicals are pretty wicked and have a lot to offer are and are beautiful substances.

nbombe's are great fun the first few times but get very repetitive & wasn't introspective like LSD (not for me anyway)... DOx lasts for 12 hours anyway so you might as well just jump back on the LSD bike. DMT is where it's at but it's in a different league all together and may not be what your looking for.

I'd recommend looking into the 2C-x  range of chemicals as they are shorter acting & able to give close to LSD feelings... Though personally I ended up with mild HPPD after a couple weekends on 2C-E - didn't abuse it hard but was defo left with "flashbacks" (HPPD) for a few weeks, nothing bad, it was mostly pleasant but I gladly havn't noticed it for the past few weeks so nothing permanent.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: Edawg420 on March 15, 2013, 03:40 am
HAHAH this post is hilarious.....sorry to hear that OP...but yeah GET some DMT!!!! shit i would repack right when i got back and it was fine, fuck the 30 min rule...if you got the supply then fucking dose that shit soon as you get back!...but yes a good 1hr is suggested i think between trips.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: incogmagnito on March 15, 2013, 04:51 am
Great thread!


It's hard to find a psychedelic like LSD except that it only last an hour or two. Though you can try out any of the 25x-NBOMe's. Also look into the DOx family. DOx chemicals are pretty wicked and have a lot to offer are and are beautiful substances.

Thank you, Purple_Hue,

It is hard, indeed. Which of the NBOME's have you found most interesting in terms of Shulgins trip depth? I do like +++ of acid or mescaline. With DOx, I was always under impression that they are fairly long lasting with DOM being a champion - 16 hours according to Shulgin and Erowid. I also see somebody else here pointing it out too.

ayahuasca is great and only lasts 3-4 hours.  you can get a lot out of it and then get to sleep when its done.

same with chewed salvia divinorum.  its a deep and quite intriguing experience that is over within a couple hours of your last quid.  its a totally different kind of psychedelia tho.....not as scary as when smoked, and easier on the gastrointestinal system than aya.

Joey, thank you.

I have tried ayahuasca very recently - interesting experience. I could not get to the ok dose level because of nausea. What a bummer. I will try again may be as a pharmahuasca to reduce the issue with my stomach. Have you tried it? What amount of DMT should I go for in addition to 150mg of moclobemide or 3g of ground Syrian Rue seeds? Would 100mg be enough?

On Salvia Divinorum - for some reason I am scared of trying it :-)


nbombe's are great fun the first few times but get very repetitive & wasn't introspective like LSD (not for me anyway)... DOx lasts for 12 hours anyway so you might as well just jump back on the LSD bike. DMT is where it's at but it's in a different league all together and may not be what your looking for.

I'd recommend looking into the 2C-x  range of chemicals as they are shorter acting & able to give close to LSD feelings... Though personally I ended up with mild HPPD after a couple weekends on 2C-E - didn't abuse it hard but was defo left with "flashbacks" (HPPD) for a few weeks, nothing bad, it was mostly pleasant but I gladly havn't noticed it for the past few weeks so nothing permanent.

Someoneelse, thank you!
HPPD? really? Sounds quite scary ... How much of 2C-E did you take and how many times did you redose?
Did you find it more of a psychedelic than 2C-B, which I read is a lot mellower than most.
Have you tried it as a NBOME?

HAHAH this post is hilarious.....sorry to hear that OP...but yeah GET some DMT!!!! shit i would repack right when i got back and it was fine, fuck the 30 min rule...if you got the supply then fucking dose that shit soon as you get back!...but yes a good 1hr is suggested i think between trips.

Edawg420, I do know and sometimes use it.
I just find it frustrating that I can not bring anything back into this world ... It feels like this barrier between here and that hyperspace is impassable for the insight. Lack of DMT trip reports around seems to suggest that I am not alone :-(
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: Cynosure on March 15, 2013, 05:05 am
I've found myself having trouble taking them at all recently.

Psychedelia is my favourite genre of substances.  The journeys I have tend to last from 6-16 hours (depending upon the substance and dosage); on top of this, it usually takes me a while to recover (as I have to reintegrate, spend time in contemplation, scribe my experience, wait for myself to fall asleep, and then spend time sleeping). 

Being fused into the social constructs of university and working merged with living on my own while struggling to find time to visit my parents back home doesn't allow for me to immerse myself in such experiences as often as I'd like.

I had extracted DMT many months ago and finally got to try it for my first time last week.  I surely received intense visuals, which lasted 5 minutes, but I don't think I broke through.  It was too short, extremely whimsical/mystifying, and a tad confusing.  Though, the duration of this substance should allow me to visit psychedelic realms more regularly.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: MushMouth on March 15, 2013, 05:29 am
the ONLY problem with psychedelics is that they eventually wear off and you have to return to normal work-a-day life

Haha, THIS!! ^^^
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: oldtoby on March 15, 2013, 05:59 am
I just find it frustrating that I can not bring anything back into this world

Working on that. Reviewing my trip notes helps, because I remember some of these experiences. But I can't reach the mindset. The ideas are within reach, but the emotional resonance is gone, and that's what makes the experience, for me.

If you haven't tried writing, give it a shot. Like many people, I write little comforting notes while sober to anchor myself while tripping. Well, at some point I grabbed a pen and in altered state wrote something like: "Right, well here are some thoughts for YOU." And I've pretty much been having this sober/tripping conversation ever since.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: MushMouth on March 15, 2013, 06:22 am
I just find it frustrating that I can not bring anything back into this world

Working on that. Reviewing my trip notes helps, because I remember some of these experiences. But I can't reach the mindset. The ideas are within reach, but the emotional resonance is gone, and that's what makes the experience, for me.

If you haven't tried writing, give it a shot. Like many people, I write little comforting notes while sober to anchor myself while tripping. Well, at some point I grabbed a pen and in altered state wrote something like: "Right, well here are some thoughts for YOU." And I've pretty much been having this sober/tripping conversation ever since.

That's fucking awesome my friend, I always promise I'll write notes prior to every adventure but the concepts I dream up while tripping are usually indescribeable with words and I just end up venturing out without recording. Maybe video would help, but I'm not comfortable with that level of potential exposure.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: incogmagnito on March 15, 2013, 05:04 pm
I just find it frustrating that I can not bring anything back into this world

Working on that. Reviewing my trip notes helps, because I remember some of these experiences. But I can't reach the mindset. The ideas are within reach, but the emotional resonance is gone, and that's what makes the experience, for me.

If you haven't tried writing, give it a shot. Like many people, I write little comforting notes while sober to anchor myself while tripping. Well, at some point I grabbed a pen and in altered state wrote something like: "Right, well here are some thoughts for YOU." And I've pretty much been having this sober/tripping conversation ever since.

This is great that you can do this.

I always try to write things down ... Always ... But with DMT I can recall the beginning - onset of visuals and body rush and after that I am so far out that I do not have ANY recollection whatsoever of anything to anchor my writing to ... Really-really weird since I can bring almost every thought from my acid trips.

Do you share your DMT trip reports?
Can I read them anywhere?
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: jmoney113 on March 15, 2013, 05:10 pm
I just find it frustrating that I can not bring anything back into this world

Working on that. Reviewing my trip notes helps, because I remember some of these experiences. But I can't reach the mindset. The ideas are within reach, but the emotional resonance is gone, and that's what makes the experience, for me.

If you haven't tried writing, give it a shot. Like many people, I write little comforting notes while sober to anchor myself while tripping. Well, at some point I grabbed a pen and in altered state wrote something like: "Right, well here are some thoughts for YOU." And I've pretty much been having this sober/tripping conversation ever since.

This is great that you can do this.

I always try to write things down ... Always ... But with DMT I can recall the beginning - onset of visuals and body rush and after that I am so far out that I do not have ANY recollection whatsoever of anything to anchor my writing to ... Really-really weird since I can bring almost every thought from my acid trips.

Do you share your DMT trip reports?
Can I read them anywhere?
Have you ever tried deep reflective meditation? You'd be surprised the vivid events you might recall, and levels you can reach through meditation alone, not to mention the countless wide-ranging benefits you gain from it as well. Give it a shot man.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: incogmagnito on March 15, 2013, 07:07 pm
I just find it frustrating that I can not bring anything back into this world

Working on that. Reviewing my trip notes helps, because I remember some of these experiences. But I can't reach the mindset. The ideas are within reach, but the emotional resonance is gone, and that's what makes the experience, for me.

If you haven't tried writing, give it a shot. Like many people, I write little comforting notes while sober to anchor myself while tripping. Well, at some point I grabbed a pen and in altered state wrote something like: "Right, well here are some thoughts for YOU." And I've pretty much been having this sober/tripping conversation ever since.

This is great that you can do this.

I always try to write things down ... Always ... But with DMT I can recall the beginning - onset of visuals and body rush and after that I am so far out that I do not have ANY recollection whatsoever of anything to anchor my writing to ... Really-really weird since I can bring almost every thought from my acid trips.

Do you share your DMT trip reports?
Can I read them anywhere?
Have you ever tried deep reflective meditation? You'd be surprised the vivid events you might recall, and levels you can reach through meditation alone, not to mention the countless wide-ranging benefits you gain from it as well. Give it a shot man.

I have tried meditating and always end up having tangents ... Years of constant overdrive do seem to make my mind virtually unable to accept shut-down even for a short periods of time. It ends up being a very frustrating exercise on most occasions ... The exception is a moment of near complete physical and emotional exhaustion.

I find it a bit easier these days after one particular acid trip where I ended up dying countless number of times and getting to a point of death becoming a total bore. But meditating on that is not the most positive of experiences as you can imagine :-)

I guess I need to dedicate more time to this and learn to shut the fucker down
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: moonflower on March 15, 2013, 07:35 pm
I just find it frustrating that I can not bring anything back into this world

Working on that. Reviewing my trip notes helps, because I remember some of these experiences. But I can't reach the mindset. The ideas are within reach, but the emotional resonance is gone, and that's what makes the experience, for me.

If you haven't tried writing, give it a shot. Like many people, I write little comforting notes while sober to anchor myself while tripping. Well, at some point I grabbed a pen and in altered state wrote something like: "Right, well here are some thoughts for YOU." And I've pretty much been having this sober/tripping conversation ever since.

This is great that you can do this.

I always try to write things down ... Always ... But with DMT I can recall the beginning - onset of visuals and body rush and after that I am so far out that I do not have ANY recollection whatsoever of anything to anchor my writing to ... Really-really weird since I can bring almost every thought from my acid trips.

Do you share your DMT trip reports?
Can I read them anywhere?
Have you ever tried deep reflective meditation? You'd be surprised the vivid events you might recall, and levels you can reach through meditation alone, not to mention the countless wide-ranging benefits you gain from it as well. Give it a shot man.
meditation is the key to the door of enlightenment. it can also be very similar to the psychedelic experience... they kind of go hand-in-hand, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: DMTisinME on March 15, 2013, 09:25 pm
meditation is the key to the door of enlightenment. it can also be very similar to the psychedelic experience... they kind of go hand-in-hand, in my opinion.

Yep. If you can meditate well it will greatly improve your trips, it makes your mind much more open to the experience and allows the ideas to come to you. I don't want to say it makes you better at tripping, but .... no that's exactly what I wanted to say. If you can control you mind, then you can control the trip. Meditation is key.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: jmoney113 on March 15, 2013, 09:57 pm
I just find it frustrating that I can not bring anything back into this world

Working on that. Reviewing my trip notes helps, because I remember some of these experiences. But I can't reach the mindset. The ideas are within reach, but the emotional resonance is gone, and that's what makes the experience, for me.

If you haven't tried writing, give it a shot. Like many people, I write little comforting notes while sober to anchor myself while tripping. Well, at some point I grabbed a pen and in altered state wrote something like: "Right, well here are some thoughts for YOU." And I've pretty much been having this sober/tripping conversation ever since.

This is great that you can do this.

I always try to write things down ... Always ... But with DMT I can recall the beginning - onset of visuals and body rush and after that I am so far out that I do not have ANY recollection whatsoever of anything to anchor my writing to ... Really-really weird since I can bring almost every thought from my acid trips.

Do you share your DMT trip reports?
Can I read them anywhere?
Have you ever tried deep reflective meditation? You'd be surprised the vivid events you might recall, and levels you can reach through meditation alone, not to mention the countless wide-ranging benefits you gain from it as well. Give it a shot man.

I have tried meditating and always end up having tangents ... Years of constant overdrive do seem to make my mind virtually unable to accept shut-down even for a short periods of time. It ends up being a very frustrating exercise on most occasions ... The exception is a moment of near complete physical and emotional exhaustion.

I find it a bit easier these days after one particular acid trip where I ended up dying countless number of times and getting to a point of death becoming a total bore. But meditating on that is not the most positive of experiences as you can imagine :-)

I guess I need to dedicate more time to this and learn to shut the fucker down
I can definitely sympathize. In this day and age nearly all of our minds are on overdrive, and it takes real discipline and dedication to achieve a real balance and control of one's mind.

The best advice I can give you is to observe your breath; don't focus on it, simply envision in your mind the Oxygen or life-force energy, whatever you wanna call it, and see your lungs in your minds eye expanding, and contracting, expanding, and contracting. Try it without meditation, just observe your breath as you're surfing the web or whatever, and it'll become a habit for you where it becomes 2nd nature and you do it naturally. Also, breath diaphragmatically. Meaning breath with your diaphragm so it inflates instead of just with your lungs.

Meditation is a beautiful experience, and I feel everyone should practice it one way or another.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: incogmagnito on March 15, 2013, 11:31 pm
@jmoney113 ... +1 ... Very simple and compelling!

@moonflower ... +1 ... How does it help with tripping?
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: fjioowqijf on March 16, 2013, 01:21 am
Man.  OK I took the advice on here and got ahold of some DMT.  It blew my mind.  I don't think I managed to take enough to break through but it was definitely the most intense experience I've had.  Wrote about it a little at http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90952.msg903483#msg903483

I've done it about 3 times in the past two days.  I was excited that I had something I could redose more often, but I find mysef not wanting to until the setting is right.  It's such a weird experience, like entering a netherworld or alien world, that I don't want to rush in foolishly and find myself in a very bad place.  But it's very cool.  Tastes like shit though.

I've been writing while I trip as well.  I enjoy going back and revisiting my writing, it's often very weird stuff.  Sometimes I will write over what I wrote before when I'm tripping again, it becomes sort of a meta exercise.  I also want to try meditation.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: jmoney113 on March 16, 2013, 01:27 am
Man.  OK I took the advice on here and got ahold of some DMT.  It blew my mind.  I don't think I managed to take enough to break through but it was definitely the most intense experience I've had.  Wrote about it a little at http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90952.msg903483#msg903483

I've done it about 3 times in the past two days.  I was excited that I had something I could redose more often, but I find mysef not wanting to until the setting is right.  It's such a weird experience, like entering a netherworld or alien world, that I don't want to rush in foolishly and find myself in a very bad place.  But it's very cool.  Tastes like shit though.

I've been writing while I trip as well.  I enjoy going back and revisiting my writing, it's often very weird stuff.  Sometimes I will write over what I wrote before when I'm tripping again, it becomes sort of a meta exercise.  I also want to try meditation.

I'm glad you were able to experience the wonderment of DMT, and I'm just as glad you're able to see that it deserves to be treated with the utmost respect. Everything happens for a reason my friend. I have always believed that DMT is a medium between realities. Not just the vessel between them, but actually present in two realities at the same time. When the time is right, you'll be able to experience the true glory of the spice. Just know that a breakthrough is so alien, so otherworldly, that nothing can prepare you for what you'll experience. The only advice I'd like to give you, is don't give into amazement. As profoundly incomprehensible as the entities you encounter in hyperspace are, they have messages for those who listen.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: oldtoby on March 16, 2013, 02:26 am
I just find it frustrating that I can not bring anything back into this world

Working on that. Reviewing my trip notes helps, because I remember some of these experiences. But I can't reach the mindset. The ideas are within reach, but the emotional resonance is gone, and that's what makes the experience, for me.

If you haven't tried writing, give it a shot. Like many people, I write little comforting notes while sober to anchor myself while tripping. Well, at some point I grabbed a pen and in altered state wrote something like: "Right, well here are some thoughts for YOU." And I've pretty much been having this sober/tripping conversation ever since.

This is great that you can do this.

I always try to write things down ... Always ... But with DMT I can recall the beginning - onset of visuals and body rush and after that I am so far out that I do not have ANY recollection whatsoever of anything to anchor my writing to ... Really-really weird since I can bring almost every thought from my acid trips.

Do you share your DMT trip reports?
Can I read them anywhere?

Alas, not DMT - I have yet to have much success with it, and from description, I am doubtful of my ability to record anything other than video (which I wouldn't do) or maybe audio, which I suppose I could try. No, I've written trip reports on mj, LSD, shrooms, 4-AcO-DMT, and 25C-NBOMe. Not always with great success - I find trying to write on NBOMes viscerally unpleasant. But get me in front of a keyboard and I'm gold. I don't post much of this stuff, but recently reviewed a bunch of it and found very little that was unintelligible or outright crazy (though at times a little repetitious). I like the conversation I'm having - not that I necessarily *trust* what I have to say on every substance, but it's interesting. And I know I would have forgotten a bunch of it had I not taken it down, which lets me focus on slightly different things next time. It's also, incidentally, permitting me to take a very long view of doses, setting, and effects, which was the original purpose.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: bull3gern on March 16, 2013, 02:50 am
incogmagnito - Do not be afraid of S. divinorum. Granted, the first couple of times one smokes it it can be quite disturbing, but by the 3rd or 4th time one clearly sees her pattern - several different versions of reality which you can (mentally) explore (just DO NOT try to move out of your chair - you WILL bust your ass on the floor). Also, for first timers stick to 5X or 10 X, 20 X max until you're used to it & know what to expect. The good thing is that it lasts 3-5 minutes, and you feel great afterwards - sort of "yeah, I did it! - like riding a really big roller coaster - you feel "accomplished" afterward. The after-effects last 20-30 minutes, then completely stop.

I recommend this one a lot as the half-life of the metabolites are measured in minutes, so although there are drug tests with which the man can infringe on your rights with, If they don't get a piss or blood sample in an hour or two they won't find shit.

I have the same fear of DMT that you expressed for Salvia, so I can relate...
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: incogmagnito on March 16, 2013, 06:02 am
Man.  OK I took the advice on here and got ahold of some DMT.  It blew my mind.  I don't think I managed to take enough to break through but it was definitely the most intense experience I've had.  Wrote about it a little at http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90952.msg903483#msg903483

I've done it about 3 times in the past two days.  I was excited that I had something I could redose more often, but I find mysef not wanting to until the setting is right.  It's such a weird experience, like entering a netherworld or alien world, that I don't want to rush in foolishly and find myself in a very bad place.  But it's very cool.  Tastes like shit though.

I've been writing while I trip as well.  I enjoy going back and revisiting my writing, it's often very weird stuff.  Sometimes I will write over what I wrote before when I'm tripping again, it becomes sort of a meta exercise.  I also want to try meditation.

Congrats! I think you do it right - slowly slowly catchy monkey.
Having familiarised yourself with it you can more confidently go for breakthru.

Taste does not have to be bad - people swear by GVG, but it is 100 bucks and up. Most other good vaporisers are expensive too. I have opted for the machine, which with a little skill you can make yourself in 30 minutes. Search this forum or dmt-nexus forums for photos and how-to. Since I got one taste has never been a problem, also I can breakthru with one big, slow hit.

incogmagnito - Do not be afraid of S. divinorum. Granted, the first couple of times one smokes it it can be quite disturbing, but by the 3rd or 4th time one clearly sees her pattern - several different versions of reality which you can (mentally) explore (just DO NOT try to move out of your chair - you WILL bust your ass on the floor). Also, for first timers stick to 5X or 10 X, 20 X max until you're used to it & know what to expect. The good thing is that it lasts 3-5 minutes, and you feel great afterwards - sort of "yeah, I did it! - like riding a really big roller coaster - you feel "accomplished" afterward. The after-effects last 20-30 minutes, then completely stop.

I recommend this one a lot as the half-life of the metabolites are measured in minutes, so although there are drug tests with which the man can infringe on your rights with, If they don't get a piss or blood sample in an hour or two they won't find shit.

I have the same fear of DMT that you expressed for Salvia, so I can relate...

Most interesting. Thank you. Given that it is legal in many countries, incl UK, do you find that it is best bought here on SR or there are better channels?
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: Joey Terrifying on March 16, 2013, 03:03 pm
Man.  OK I took the advice on here and got ahold of some DMT.  It blew my mind.  I don't think I managed to take enough to break through but it was definitely the most intense experience I've had.  Wrote about it a little at http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90952.msg903483#msg903483

I've done it about 3 times in the past two days.  I was excited that I had something I could redose more often, but I find mysef not wanting to until the setting is right.  It's such a weird experience, like entering a netherworld or alien world, that I don't want to rush in foolishly and find myself in a very bad place.  But it's very cool.  Tastes like shit though.

I've been writing while I trip as well.  I enjoy going back and revisiting my writing, it's often very weird stuff.  Sometimes I will write over what I wrote before when I'm tripping again, it becomes sort of a meta exercise.  I also want to try meditation.

nice dude!!!   DMT is an artist; you'll never experience anything so uniquely beautiful. 
it is an acquired taste, indeed....if the smoke was at all harsh, it means you burnt the drug.  I've got a glass vapor genie and it is indeed as great as everyone says it is.  if you're really getting into DMT, its totally worth the money.
glad you're taking it slow.  i rushed in full force my first time and wigged myself out so hard that i couldn't touch the stuff again for another 5 years.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: TwoHat on March 18, 2013, 06:02 pm
It is kind of a pain in the ass having to plan out the time, wait for free time, and stuff like that. I usually wait a minimum of a few days bewteen minor doses of shrooms when I grab like a half ounce. Psychedelics are definitely not good for every day use. Especially not if you are taking enough to have mind / personality altering effects.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: MrBing2012 on March 18, 2013, 11:52 pm
The good thing is that it lasts 3-5 minutes, and you feel great afterwards - sort of "yeah, I did it! - like riding a really big roller coaster - you feel "accomplished" afterward. The after-effects last 20-30 minutes, then completely stop.

The one and only time I've tried salvia I felt like total shit for the rest of the day.
The trip itself was like a fucking nightmare that I couldn't escape and the comedown made me sure I would never try it again.

I'm not sure if chewing them would be better but personally I think salvia is just too fucked up for me lol.
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: goblin on March 19, 2013, 12:27 am
I didn't know there was a problem!
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: cerebralrainbow on March 20, 2013, 04:37 pm
Can't take them more often.

I just got some cid from JC.  Been looking for it for so long and now SR has brought it to me.  I soooo want to drop one right now, but I'm exhausted from the week and so don't think I'm in the right mindset.

I got a stash of psychs now, 2CB, MDA... but I have to wait ><  And even then, I have to space my trips out due to tolerance.

Shit sux... what drugs are good to take on a regular basis (i'm a light user btw, I dont take heroic doses).  And not EtOH or THC, I'm sick of those.
I think I see the problem here...

For one, you obviously have an affinity for amphetamine-based drugs. Tolerance for amphet's builds much too rapidly for my taste. Other than that, I couldn't hardly consider MDA a psychedelic. 2C-B is in the same category. Extreme cross-tolerance with amphet's. And amphetamine tolerance, once significantly built up, can be permanent.

Try some tryptamines. Not only are the trips stronger and more fascinating (IMO) in many aspects, it seems as though tolerance is not gained as quickly. They are just more "natural" feeling, from my experience, and leave far less of a body load. Not to mention they have a shorter duration and you can sleep on them.

I'll admit, I had a hell of a trip on 2C-B (50mg) and 25-I (about 2-3, maybe even 4mg... crazy, I know) and some cannabis. I was seeing the most wild colors and tracers. My cieling was morphing into a tablet covered in crazy, alien writings that were constantly changing and bursting with color. DOC is toxic for me, but again, I've have had some of my most intense, otherworldly trips on it.

 I was able to take 4-ACO-DMT four times in a week once. Funny, I started at 40mg, then went to 20, then back to 40 and 40. Quality every time. Also my favorite all around psychedelic.
Maybe just pick up some DMT and you could lose your mind everyday.
But then again, abuse psych's of any kind and they will abuse you. They're not meant for the impatient. And that's from first hand experience, btw, no judgements.

Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: cyanspore on March 20, 2013, 08:53 pm
there's also different qualities of high with different species of psilocybe mushrooms. Most people have only had p. cubensis, but liberty caps - psilocybe semilanceata is usually described as much funnier. The hardest I've ever laughed was at a massive liberty cap tea party years ago, all night and the next day stomach so sore like you did 5000 sit ups and you can get liberty caps on SR

and then there's psilocybe cyanescens, some of the most potent shrooms on the planet, things get wavy, man. but that's out of stock on SR, but I got them on BMR, see sig. can't do it here till I make the bitcoin over there
Title: Re: The problem with psychedelics
Post by: ChiefMaster on March 20, 2013, 10:11 pm
the ONLY problem with psychedelics is that they eventually wear off and you have to return to normal work-a-day life

Oh so true :)