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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: barney010278 on March 06, 2013, 08:59 am

Title: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: barney010278 on March 06, 2013, 08:59 am
Is it possible that someone stumbles across a new technology that can track and decipher everything that has already happened
on SR??

Can you imagine all the people that would go down?
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: White 0ut on March 06, 2013, 09:19 am
SR IS the new technology man...
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: MrAnonymous on March 06, 2013, 09:33 am
Is it possible that someone stumbles across a new technology that can track and decipher everything that has already happened
on SR??

Can you imagine all the people that would go down?

Very, very unlikely anyone would waste so much funding on this place. Do you have any idea what kind of cost it would be to make something like that?

I don't, either. But, I can imaging it would expensive. And like it's been stated in another thread, SilkRoad is only 0.007% of the worlds who drug trade.

Which seems minuscule when it is probably the same people behind 20%-30% and the money can go to catching them.

Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: samesamebutdifferent on March 06, 2013, 10:26 am
Is it possible that someone stumbles across a new technology that can track and decipher everything that has already happened
on SR??

Can you imagine all the people that would go down?

I don't see the point in this thread? speculating on a non existent technology that may or may not be invented  ???

Those in the know openly admit tor is unbeatable.
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: Opioid on March 06, 2013, 11:50 am
I think it's very very difficult to trace and prove what people spend their Bitcoins on....
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: AlteredConscious on March 06, 2013, 03:20 pm
Hopefully everything stays cool. I just wanna chill and think differently. Why do they want to put people in jail for that.
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: bateman on March 06, 2013, 03:44 pm
Let's hope so!
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: ByronLegosi on March 06, 2013, 03:55 pm
My job is a computing scientist, I specialise in cryptography and security systems (that's narrowed my identity down too much OH NO! lol)
and let me reassure some people. The current method of routing used by 'the internet' (techies I apologise for the use of that) renders it
impossible to look back more than say, a week tops at traceroutes before they are totally useless.

If you are going to get caught on this site it is through phishing and your own fault by giving up info about yourself freely (anyone makes a joke about my job above... just don't lol).

It IS possible of course, to shut down the SR, but it isn't through some uninvented technology. It's through human error.
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: NImrod4154 on March 06, 2013, 03:57 pm
I don't foresee SR going down anytime soon. Way too secure, especially if everyone uses PGPs like they should. If it does go down, you better believe another website will take it's place. Time will tell. Unfortunately journalism and news stations have brought Way to much public light to the website, which essentially ruins the underground aspect of all of it and could result in eventually the government or whoever being able to actually break into such a well made program.
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: ke80lp on March 06, 2013, 04:01 pm
We have more to worry about with the current bitcoin growth rate than SR getting busted. Seriously the last month has been insane
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: ByronLegosi on March 06, 2013, 05:18 pm
Why does my BUSTED help this new technology anyway? and who told you I call it that...?
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: ShadowCrewTheHive on March 06, 2013, 06:28 pm
I'd say much of the internet traffic in the USA is already being monitored.  This includes TOR.  I forget who, it was not Keith.  But, an analysis at the NSA once remarked, "With the right people, technology & money - There is nothing we can not do".  While quantum encryption is no where near yet.  The few labs who have such setups...  It has been cracked via man in the middle attacks.

Like any busts in the past: Hive, SC, Russian CC sites, RMJCC.....  All it takes is one person to make 3-4 mistakes or 3-4 people to make 1 mistake.  Whomever, there are thousands of examples.  We saw what Stuxnet did the work on that began in 2005.  Project Aurora too 0days were horded for years on both.  Though I do not think SR is a hot enough AO.  There are lots of relevant people fighting legalizing drugs.  Relevant to LE/IC there are much more important things going on in the world too.

However, with a few million... Or billion in some cases and the right people....   Privacy/Security is a myth.  Hell 1/1,000 or less of that budget folks at Grr, Def, Schmoo, CCC and other cons have clearly demonstrated this is true as well.

It is a serious security risk.  However, for now it is a risk worth it to many.
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: Magic Man on March 06, 2013, 06:40 pm
OP smoked too much weed.  :P
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: maxieBB on March 06, 2013, 07:17 pm
Is it possible that someone stumbles across a new technology that can track and decipher everything that has already happened
on SR??

Can you imagine all the people that would go down?

I don't see the point in this thread? speculating on a non existent technology that may or may not be invented  ???

Those in the know openly admit tor is unbeatable.

The technology has existed for decades. It's called "Remote Viewing" The U.S. military and CIA used it for collecting intelligence (mid 70's to mid 90's). millions of tax dollars funded this protocol.  The Stargate Project was the most notable. Related projects included Sun Streak, Grill Flame, Center Lane by DIA and INSCOM, and SCANATE by CIA.

Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: guli420 on March 06, 2013, 08:02 pm
By the time they get SR, cartels kill 100 people and make 100 billion :o
...Then SR gets a new server ha
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: ShadowCrewTheHive on March 06, 2013, 08:09 pm
Is it possible that someone stumbles across a new technology that can track and decipher everything that has already happened
on SR??

Can you imagine all the people that would go down?

I don't see the point in this thread? speculating on a non existent technology that may or may not be invented  ???

Those in the know openly admit tor is unbeatable.

The technology has existed for decades. It's called "Remote Viewing" The U.S. military and CIA used it for collecting intelligence (mid 70's to mid 90's). millions of tax dollars funded this protocol.  The Stargate Project was the most notable. Related projects included Sun Streak, Grill Flame, Center Lane by DIA and INSCOM, and SCANATE by CIA.

You must be injecting heroin.  You must think 90% of DARPA/IARPA projects are successful too.  You are misunderstanding remote viewing.  FAS, Publicintelligence, Vetted Leaks and 1-2 whistle blowers have spoken in detail about all these.  They are not really separate projects either.  Anyhow, if they figured it out.  FOIA act data and NS attorneys have reported on this as recent as 2008....  They have not.  If they have arresting drug dealers, consumers or morons online is not the intent of any of these programs.

I answered the persons question.  He should lock the thread and thank me.
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: DobolinaFunk on March 06, 2013, 08:39 pm
Interesting to think about.. and definitely a possibility but not anytime in the near future  8).
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: anonom on March 06, 2013, 08:47 pm
A few things worth reminding :

1) If anybody tells you his server and it's content is 100% secured. They ARE lying. There is no such thing as "unbeatable" or "unhackable"

2) Tor is not THAT much secure. As far as i know, exit nodes are still a big risk. If you create a fake exit node and monitor it's whole traffic there is a high chance you will get some interesting data. I have no idea if there is some of these fake nodes, but they are dangerous. The content is not encrypted between the Tor exit node and the server. Well at least that's true for clearnet sites but I think it's also true for .onion sites (please correct me if I'm wrong on this).

3) It's insanely hard to keep confidential data secured, and it's even more true when this content is illegal. SR must have a small (but experienced) team and it must be very hard to keep an eye on recent 0 days or intrusion attempts. If one day someone ever gets some data from SR, it would most certainly be encrypted. Then the quality of the encryption will define how long and how expensive it will be to decode. No encryption mechanism is fail-proof either. A simple brute-force attack theoretically could let you decrypt anything you want (except maybe a weird homemade cypher).

We have seen in the past some truecrypt containers beat the FBI processing power for brute force. So it's achievable to make something very hard to decode as long as the key is long enough (and has good entropy) and as long as the cypher is known to be reliable.
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: ShadowCrewTheHive on March 07, 2013, 12:29 am
A few things worth reminding :

1) If anybody tells you his server and it's content is 100% secured. They ARE lying. There is no such thing as "unbeatable" or "unhackable"

2) Tor is not THAT much secure. As far as i know, exit nodes are still a big risk. If you create a fake exit node and monitor it's whole traffic there is a high chance you will get some interesting data. I have no idea if there is some of these fake nodes, but they are dangerous. The content is not encrypted between the Tor exit node and the server. Well at least that's true for clearnet sites but I think it's also true for .onion sites (please correct me if I'm wrong on this).

3) It's insanely hard to keep confidential data secured, and it's even more true when this content is illegal. SR must have a small (but experienced) team and it must be very hard to keep an eye on recent 0 days or intrusion attempts. If one day someone ever gets some data from SR, it would most certainly be encrypted. Then the quality of the encryption will define how long and how expensive it will be to decode. No encryption mechanism is fail-proof either. A simple brute-force attack theoretically could let you decrypt anything you want (except maybe a weird homemade cypher).

We have seen in the past some truecrypt containers beat the FBI processing power for brute force. So it's achievable to make something very hard to decode as long as the key is long enough (and has good entropy) and as long as the cypher is known to be reliable.

I'd like to give you 1billion karma.  Though I do not know how Karma works yet.  I also need my 50 posts.  I also agree with your comments +8
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: Jediknight on March 07, 2013, 01:02 am
It seems, all those image hosts and CP servers on the so called dark net and TOR have gotten busted somehow.  You got to wonder how anonymous TOR is for people/servers who are on constantly.  At some point they loose their secret location.

SR is waaaaay ahead of all that though.

This does only represent a small piece of he bigger picture of drug dealing out there.   Drugs have been sent through thesis for the past 20 years.   Gangs do it all the time and have their own strategies.z

I wish someone would list some diamonds from Africa so we can import them through the mail and resell them. 

The Internet bringsmproe together and new world wide contacts for drugs and contraband.  It's a great time to be alive right now. . 
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: schmuckboy on March 07, 2013, 03:10 am
Hopefully everything stays cool. I just wanna chill and think differently. Why do they want to put people in jail for that.

I wish that's how it was but you don't know how gay the DEA is
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: schmuckboy on March 07, 2013, 03:13 am
Even if it became possible to track IPs to people, SR has covered its tracks and isn't saving any info that it doesn't have to
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: MarloStanfield on March 07, 2013, 04:20 am
I don't think someone understands  conspiracy, they need dope on the table and someone to cooperate. A paper trail of names addresses and saying I want an ounce in a written style forum ain't enough.  I sell drugs I sell drugs! That's not enough. They need someone to back that up. This is the shit to me. Making money from anywhere in the world. 
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: NorthWestDirectRep on March 07, 2013, 04:28 am
yup with new technology who's to say what can happen, at any given time :?
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: kusurichoudai on March 07, 2013, 04:31 am
If you're SSL encrypted *before* you hit the network, the operators of the exit node *still* have that layer of encryption to deal with - they're
not seeing your traffic in cleartext in that case.
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: gipsey on March 07, 2013, 05:17 am
good read
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: anonom on March 07, 2013, 01:25 pm
If you're SSL encrypted *before* you hit the network, the operators of the exit node *still* have that layer of encryption to deal with - they're
not seeing your traffic in cleartext in that case.

Are you SSL encrypted on SR or its forum ? I wouldn't think so. HTTPS or something would indeed secure the connection from origin to destination. Unfortunately I don't know if you can do that with onion sites.
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: Trice on March 07, 2013, 02:57 pm
all traffic from the onion sites are bullet prof ,)
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Post by: letmelive1 on March 07, 2013, 03:35 pm
Run Tor off a USB and your good to go.
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: MrAnonymous on March 07, 2013, 03:52 pm
We have more to worry about with the current bitcoin growth rate than SR getting busted. Seriously the last month has been insane

That is not something to worry about.. Bitcoin is going main-stream, it could continue to rise for a long time.

In the last 3 months, I have seen two stories on the UK news about bitcoins. Nothing to do with SR, or illegal activity; just about bitcoins.
Title: Re: New technology and your BUSTED!!
Post by: PaperNGreen on March 14, 2013, 11:01 am
Just shut up.