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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: JezuzWazaMushroom on February 03, 2013, 10:04 am
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The first Silk Road conviction in the world says more about the lack of efficacy by the world's governments thank it does about SR users. :P
Yet here comes the World Police gloating about stealing candy from adults as if they're babies in a nursery. :-[
Reading this story there is little reason to doubt this guy would get caught, he makes Ryan West look like a genius, or a relative lol. ::)
Enjoy the shits and giggles folks... http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-02/01/silk-road-crackdown ;D
- JWM 8)
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"Criminals are attempting to exploit the international mail system through online networks, but the recent arrest demonstrates that we are one step ahead of them."
HAHAHA! I pissed myself when i read that part!
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"Criminals are attempting to exploit the international mail system through online networks, but the recent arrest demonstrates that we are one step ahead of them."
HAHAHA! I pissed myself when i read that part!
It's all funny as fuck!
The silly popo's don't understand the concept of making unjust laws and things that aren't a crime a crime, you still get real criminals. Eeven though we're just Joe Schmo's trying to get some weed or what have you, we must agree there are some disturbing people involved in the narcotics trade but none more so than governments since they're essentially two sides of the same coin.
Without governments, which are nothing more than a fictional construct with the monopoly of force within an arbitrary line drawn on a map, you wouldn't have deranged dangerous psychopaths vying for control in the same ways we see in Mexico or on the steppes of Afghanistan.
In a Libertarian world where you don't pervert commerce with governments, which is in essence two parties exchanging goods and services for a mutually desired outcome, you will have all the quality control in the world through free domain organizations with zero violence toward either parties who can't do business if they're both wishing negativity on the other and no governments poisoning the trading partnership.
Without government monopolies that keep businesses and governments employed and freedoms extinguished, we have no reason for police forces and jails to ruin the lives of people like this poor chap, no matter how mentally defunct he appears to be.
As Dr Martin Luther King said, we have a just obligation to disobey unjust laws!
This poor chap's just another victim of statism (and himself if we're honest) and his life and that of his family are now ruined forever simply for providing goods and services that a mythical government says he isn't allowed in a FREE ::) society that prides itself on tolerance and individual liberties.
I strongly believe psychedelics are illegal not because they can do harm in excessive doses, but because they deconstruct our cultural values and allow us to see through the government lie to a much more primal and sacred view of what is necessary for our world to work and a free society to function.
- JWM :)
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A drug dealer with $2300 in cash and in possession of modest amounts of coke and molly must have watched the movie "Scarface" too many times if he thinks he needs a machine to count his money. Then again, maybe he was just planning ahead!
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We have not gone to the link, but let us guess the rag that this story appears in... might it be the self-righteous, slightly-to-the-right-of-Hitler, mo'rons from the Daily Mail?
UPDATE:
Alas, tis The Age in Melbin! Same-same but different.
The snail Mail will probably run it sometime this week in the UK, or next, if they have no better diarrhea to pass off as newsprint.
Typical bait-n-switch sensationalism passed off as investigative journalism.
Headline: Police crack down on Silk Road following first drug dealer conviction
Scareprop from interplod: The AFP will continue to identify, investigate and prosecute individuals or groups importing narcotics into Australia, including via illicit ecommerce platforms such as Silk Road."
Murungu: Which basically, sounds threatening, but is another way of stating the bleeding obvious, duh, that's what LE do, correction, attempt to do....
Australian police aren't the only ones to crack down on the Silk Road.
Murungu: As we read it, you boys and girls in a clueless shade of blue 'cracked down' on a fuckwit amateur vendor, not the SR, but hey, that's too close to factual reporting!
The DEA in the United States is also on the warpath, targeting similar sites such as the Farmer's Market. In July 2012 the organisation told a US news station KXAN that it was investigating the Silk Road and in November 2012, DEA spokesperson Rusty Payne told The Verge when quizzed on the Silk Road: "Typically we're not really giving out investigative updates about what we're doing, but it's safe to say we are heavily involved in looking into that."
Murungu: Oh shock and awe, there's that 'war' word again, don't let the Dubya rhetoric keep you from your GHB induced nap roadsters. It's safe to say all they are doing is lurking, and not much of fuck all else.
In the UK, the Serious Organised Crime Agency and the Metropolitan Police E-Crime unit have also been digging into the marketplace.
Murungu: Word on the Road has it that SOCA score an own-goal everyday when many of their officers under deep cover have been known to toke, first to 'blend in' and then because the job does their heads in. E-Crime unit sounds just slightly better than iplod, talk about flat-footed wannabees. We (users & vendors) are everywhere, we grow by the day, we are pilots, doctors, judges, billionaires, politicians, as well as all the millions of little guys like me and the tech who cables the copshop, we are also anonymous and we are legion, best you focus on murderers and blackmailers and racketeers instead of creating more of them in the name of drug law enforcement.
Actual Bottom Line (truth) Of The Article: "However, despite all of these investigations, the conviction rate isn't looking all that promising for law enforcement." As they used to say in the old war flicks: "For you, ze war iss ofer!"
A pound to a pinch of shit says the UK Daily Pail (of puke) won't print that last line, therefore removing any shred of veracity from it's story (not article, story -as in Jackanory)
Our opinion of global media is so low, we don't even bother anymore. Is Syria still a basket case? Frankly, my dear, we could not resist this polemic :)
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His packages were identified by customs. That's hardly a crack down on SR.
In the 8 months since he was busted, the number of items listed on SR has doubled. So once again, a life ruined by drug laws, while drugs are more available than ever.
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It still makes me nervous though. I wonder what local officials are doing to investigate SR matters? Piling up the charges like they did to this guy? Yikes! I don't want to think about all the orders I've made and being on the hook for all of them one day. Ouch.
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It still makes me nervous though. I wonder what local officials are doing to investigate SR matters? Piling up the charges like they did to this guy? Yikes! I don't want to think about all the orders I've made and being on the hook for all of them one day. Ouch.
Oh do be brief jediknight! It's propaganda, and they're playing you like a not-very-bright violin. We hope we're never in a foxhole with ya...
For your benefit old chap, here once again is THE ACTUAL LAST LINE Written In The Article: "However, despite all of these investigations, the conviction rate isn't looking all that promising for law enforcement." Their arrest rate is a joke! All the massed power of interplod have, in the entire world, arrested one, ONE stupid greedy wannabe dealr, who just happened to buy on SR (and BTW where he bought is immaterial, since he was intercepted at the border like most of the busts of any size worth busting always are.. This guy was buying in bulk from SR, mistake number one, traffickable amounts.
Don't read/listen/watch the 'news' its all propaganda, seriously. If you must, learn to jump to the last line, the 'truth' is almost always there, its like the 'small print' just so they don't get called on the utter crap that is the headline and the body copy dressed up as 'fact'. Every story that is pushing a 'thought meme' is always written this way, be it drugs, public health, elections, the 'war on whatever' and so forth... learn this one 'decoding' trick and free your mind!
If you can't face the time, don't do the crime, yes it's bullshit law, but it IS still the law. The more you belly up and order drugs, the faster the whole fucked up system will collapse under the weight of its own ridiculousness.
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This has hidden implications, and something I hadn't considered before. If I buy domestic, the risk is minimal, plus the speed. If I buy internationally I am actually commiting the offense of Importation
there's a helluva a difference between being concerned in the supply ( least charge ), and importation. Even though they cant link tie the parcel to me, ( if I don't record every tex message like this clown) I should be fine? you think?
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So AUSTRALIAN CUSTOMS busted a package, which they are the best in the world at doing and they got Silk Road ? lol
"A step ahead" ... 46g ... I mailed probably 10000x last year ... way to go Deputy Dipshit.
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The first Silk Road conviction in the world says more about the lack of efficacy by the world's governments thank it does about SR users. :P
Yet here comes the World Police gloating about stealing candy from adults as if they're babies in a nursery. :-[
Enjoy the shits and giggles folks... http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-02/01/silk-road-crackdown ;D
Sensationalist BS.
There's no crackdown on SR. Sounds like a mere coincident the guy bought the drugs here.
The "world's governments" would be more efficent if they would be actually investigating on SR. Maybe the US does investigate teenage 1g weed buyers mostly - quick, they are after YOU - but most countries couldn't care less.
There's no such thing (luckily) as a world police.
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This has hidden implications, and something I hadn't considered before. If I buy domestic, the risk is minimal, plus the speed. If I buy internationally I am actually commiting the offense of Importation
there's a helluva a difference between being concerned in the supply ( least charge ), and importation. Even though they cant link tie the parcel to me, ( if I don't record every tex message like this clown) I should be fine? you think?
Look, NorthernStar there are NO guarantees, the road allows you to order with minimal risk, not Zero risk. If you do what we have done, you should live free and bake your balls/tits off until a grand old age, domestic is always going to reduce your odds of a poor outcome even more. So it's wise, but sometimes, there are some juicy candybars across the pond.
As always, read the forums particularly the 'Shipping' one (it's way too boring, that title, it should be called the "How to stay out of jail" forum, that would get some of the dozy cunts on here to wake up their ideas) but we digress in our passion for plain common sense.
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I know this doesn't fit the mood of this topic, but it doesn't seem all that funny to me. Maybe it's easy to scoff at LE as too incompetent or at least too feeble to compromise this system. We've been getting away with this for a few years, and it seems like, if LE is only now getting their first conviction, then they must be unable to do anything about it. But they haven't given up, and I think it's a mistake to grow too complacent. Don't grow lax on security-- be cautious and don't underestimate them.
Yeah, I agree after reading the news story that this guy was careless and almost asking to get caught. I can understand snickering about it. We all know that going through customs is risky, but this isn't going to be the last arrest and conviction. He was just an easy target so he went down first. And each new conviction sets a precedent.
DEA spokesperson Rusty Payne told The Verge when quizzed on the Silk Road: "Typically we're not really giving out investigative updates about what we're doing, but it's safe to say we are heavily involved in looking into that."
The way this is worded makes them sound feeble, yes. But look at what he's actually saying-- that they are not going to disclose publicly how much they know about Silk Road, or us, or what they intend to do about this system, or when. We have no idea what they're up to. That's the reality of the situation. All we have is conjecture and the press. I'm not talking about conspiracy theories or paranoia, I'm just suggesting that their silence doesn't necessarily reflect inaction.
Personally I hope this place sticks around for years and years, and maybe it will.
Be careful, that's all. If the guy in this news story can make stupid mistakes and get caught, than it could happen to anyone.
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gotta wonder what is on this guys computer ....who was the seller
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Wasn't ddavid the first SR bust?
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Oh jeeze lol
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I know this doesn't fit the mood of this topic, but it doesn't seem all that funny to me. Maybe it's easy to scoff at LE as too incompetent or at least too feeble to compromise this system. We've been getting away with this for a few years, and it seems like, if LE is only now getting their first conviction, then they must be unable to do anything about it. But they haven't given up, and I think it's a mistake to grow too complacent. Don't grow lax on security-- be cautious and don't underestimate them.
Yeah, I agree after reading the news story that this guy was careless and almost asking to get caught. I can understand snickering about it. We all know that going through customs is risky, but this isn't going to be the last arrest and conviction. He was just an easy target so he went down first. And each new conviction sets a precedent.
DEA spokesperson Rusty Payne told The Verge when quizzed on the Silk Road: "Typically we're not really giving out investigative updates about what we're doing, but it's safe to say we are heavily involved in looking into that."
The way this is worded makes them sound feeble, yes. But look at what he's actually saying-- that they are not going to disclose publicly how much they know about Silk Road, or us, or what they intend to do about this system, or when. We have no idea what they're up to. That's the reality of the situation. All we have is conjecture and the press. I'm not talking about conspiracy theories or paranoia, I'm just suggesting that their silence doesn't necessarily reflect inaction.
Personally I hope this place sticks around for years and years, and maybe it will.
Be careful, that's all. If the guy in this news story can make stupid mistakes and get caught, than it could happen to anyone.
While I understand your concern, you have to think about the motivation behind LE's statement.
Since that US senator ran his mouth off, and was promptly shut down by (insert LE department here) regarding shutting down SR, its become something of an embarrassment for LE that this site continues to operate in blatant disregard to any laws. Obviously they are going to be scratching their heads thinking of ways to take us down(although I think they are focusing more on the site itself than individual vendors) but honestly, that's all they can do.
Common sense indicates that the server is located somewhere outside of America. I'd say it's in a country with somewhat lax LE, and likely no relations to nations with a vested interest in taking down SR... Isle of Man comes to mind.Given this, the only way they can access it is remotely.
It's public knowledge that files on the server are encrypted, and regardless of what any conspiracy theorists say, a decent encryption algorithm, lets say RSA, would take a millennium to crack, leaving open only one remaining security exploit, that being, the owner.
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Any update on what the actual sentence was?
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IMHO the more SR hits the Media the better for all..
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lol people are really careless he probably , never seen a news about a bust from Silkroad thanks a lot for the heads up :)
I would just like to mark the lovely fallacy ...
"researchers at Carnegie Mellon University revealed that the Silk Road trades items worth £1.22 million every month."
"However, despite all of these investigations, the conviction rate isn't looking all that promising for law enforcement."
And then out of a sudden a wild comment appears "but the recent arrest demonstrates that we are one step ahead of them. "
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big trouble
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omnibuy2: thank you. my thoughts pretty much exactly. Yeah, LE thinks they're hot shit and haven't begun to almost make a dent on SR. However, one bust is too many for my liking. People seem really judgmental of this guy who got busted. Maybe we don't have enough details to call him an idiot and say that's the only reason he got caught. For all we know, LE could be making busts without even telling anybody. Now I highly doubt that but it is, technically, possible. Let's just all stay as safe as possible and remember there's always a risk.
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MoveItNice was also busted before this guy..
SHADH1 wasnt the first... and wont be the last
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"...Then laugh"
I see nothing funny about this. Regardless of if this guy is an idiot or not. Another person is going away because of this global "War" on drugs. It's bullshit.
I cant imagine being in his shoes right now.
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"...Then laugh"
I see nothing funny about this. Regardless of if this guy is an idiot or not. Another person is going away because of this global "War" on drugs. It's bullshit.
I cant imagine being in his shoes right now.
+1 mate, not only is it a victimless crime but the real drugs that kill more people than anything else (alcohol and tobacco) are legal only because of the money they bring into the government.
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"...Then laugh"
I see nothing funny about this. Regardless of if this guy is an idiot or not. Another person is going away because of this global "War" on drugs. It's bullshit.
I cant imagine being in his shoes right now.
I couldn't agree more, the guy was incredibly stupid about he he went about things but I would not wish his fate on anyone, he is looking down the barrel of a 25yr sentence, his life is over and all for selling what we are all here to buy, laughing at his expense is fucking low.
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"...Then laugh"
I see nothing funny about this. Regardless of if this guy is an idiot or not. Another person is going away because of this global "War" on drugs. It's bullshit.
I cant imagine being in his shoes right now.
I couldn't agree more, the guy was incredibly stupid about he he went about things but I would not wish his fate on anyone, he is looking down the barrel of a 25yr sentence, his life is over and all for selling what we are all here to buy, laughing at his expense is fucking low.
He's not. Prosecution asked for 2-4 years. Sentencing tomorrow.
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But I totally agree. Yeah, he was dumb, but if that were a crime, there would be hardly anyone left on the street. I sat in on that case and there was no evidence whatsoever that he harmed any person. The text messages made it clear that people were seeking out him for their weekend party drugs. It is an insane and scurrilous waste of taxpayers money to lock up someone like him.
The myth of the drug 'pusher' is alive and well, but those who supply party drugs rarely have to 'push' their wares on anyone. Compare with the far more harmful and insidious alcohol and tobacco, where millions is spent figuring out how to make those products as attractive as possible to teenagers.
Lock up people who engage in anti-social (harmful) behaviours. Stop wasting our money.
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I must had read that re maximum sentencing for the charges or something for importation. Even so 2 - 4 years incarceration for importing such a small quantity of drugs is fucking disgusting but not unexpected in Australia with its draconian drug laws.
I have hope that one day the government will serve the will of the people and drop it's war on people, lives, jobs and relationships and concentrates its efforts on more beneficial endeavors like education and health care.
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It's fucking stupid. Another person who has to spend years in prison. Another person who has to deal with drug convictions for the rest of his life, while SR has twice as many drug listings as when he got busted, twice as many vendors and customers. Drugs are proliferating through the site more than ever. His arrest and prosecution have accomplished nothing.
The war on drugs was over a long time ago. Now it's just masochism by governments against their own people.
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glad I don't live in Australia.... they seem like assholes over there, even more than the USA
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glad I don't live in Australia.... they seem like assholes over there, even more than the USA
I dont really think this is true.
this guy was just stupid. Thats it. MoveItNice got screwed over by the police and he is Canadian.
USA seems to have much harsher sentencings
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very funny! SR darwin award candidate?
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I don't know if anyone saw this article (posted by OzFreelancer, I assume):
http://allthingsvice.com/2013/02/06/shadh1-penalised-for-not-propping-up-aussie-organised-crime/#more-356
But this caught my eye:
"He created a vendor account on the most famous online black market in the world, choosing an unusual username – the only other place it could be found was on his BMW’s numberplate."
Wow. Just.. wow.
BRB guys, I'm going to go change my license plate to my SR username!! /sarcasm
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Low hanging fruit indeed but not good for all of us, unwanted attention in the media, the guy cooperated with LE so probably compromised buyers and now his life (and potentially others) lives are well and truly fucked for an unjust law we all choose to break.
I am an adult, I can make informed decisions regarding what substances I choose to ingest, I do not need some faceless bureaucrat legislating what I do in this regard.
Governments should be afraid of the people not the other way around.
Fuck the system and long live SR :)
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Normally I would have sympathy for someone hocking shit, fuck knows I've done it, but when you do the sum total amount of retarded things this guy did it puts Ryan West to shame. Personally I can't stand idiots like that guy and it's people like him who give normal drug users a bad reputation for being brainless morons.
If you play this game you've got to do it certain ways, but 20,000+ msgs alone talking about explicit shit, let alone the rego number and the rest of it, makes me hope he comes out of prison a wiser clown.
I know my mates who have been in lock up though would have nothing to do with someone like him and personally I only despair for the people who bought from this idiot, both off SR and IRL.
Yes the drug war is fucked up but until such time as it's over the law is the law as much as we all hate it. When I used to deal though I never wanted the law to change because it would put me out of a job, and I had the same view that Joey Diaz echoed on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast about how it's a business and you make money off it and they make money off it. You do it smart and cover your tracks and you'll make a fortune, and if you get caught for X amount you have to serve them with a year or two so they can make their money.
It's the way it always has been, and hopefully not the way it always will be, but this guy's an idiot plain and simple and chemically castrating this guy would be doing he rest of humanities gene pool a favour (did I go to far? lol)!
Just take a lesson from this vendors, buyers and would be Silk Road adventurers yet to take the walk down the Road, the law is a violent,insidious and overall dangerous assfuck of an entity but if you play it smart it can work to your advantage too because if it were legal and the profit margins were gone, it wouldn't be the same golden goose it can currently be for those with true grit.
JWM 8)
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This article tells you what to do if you WANT to get busted. Its quite simple though, always keep a small sense of paranoia and never get too comfortable to start sending 20,000 text, all from the same phone, about drugs you have. Also if youre selling on SR its probably best to leave the street dealing alone, too many variables that could essentially lead back to you and your SR attachments. BE SAFE!