Silk Road forums
Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: nomad bloodbath on January 25, 2013, 07:26 pm
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Do you guys in the community think it's fair that one members opinions be force feed to the rest of the community with out being trolled for every differing opinion?
Apparently the new spam policy caused a member to go into a psychotic fit yesterday drawing the line at edeteing staff members posts.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=28456.msg761537#msg761537
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Just a pretty crazy place here fullstop
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I am not sure I follow, what happened Nomad?
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No. I donot think it is faire that one member's opineions be force fed to the reest of the community.
Unforrtunatesly I do not remmebr the sychotic fit even thought he last 3 days are cleer in my mind.
What I no is that you have put [/quote} at the end of the addy, bringing you up to the top of the page. If you cut this: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=28456.msg761537#msg761537 it scrolls to the post maide by NOTspacechik.
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If the mods are looking for direction then I think DPR needs to spell out what the policies / rules of the forum are. If DPR is okay with the status quo then keep doing what you're doing, nomad. I'm of the opinion that the forums are well and fairly moderated.
In my world, moderating internet forums does not constitute censorship. I do not expect DPR or anyone else to provide me with a platform from which to spout off. I would not be angry if the mods deleted, edited or moved any of my posts. On the contrary, I would probably be apologetic. I say that because in the time I have been here (since late summer) the mods have only taken action when action is called for IMO. If a member is out of line then the member deserves what s/he gets. This place is fair. I think the admins try to do the right thing by all of us. I love this community and I want to see it flourish and grow. Without mods & some basic rules, SR forums would turn into a shit sandwich, there would be no reason to even come here.
To answer your original question: I think ppl should be allowed to say whatever they want to say but I don't think they should be able to spam the boards with reckless, drug induced, hate filled rants. Those who continue to go on spam benders should be dealt with by the mods (IMO).
For me, the line should be drawn when the intent is to harm, hurt or intimidate. Whether the member is stoned or not, the rest of us should not be bombarded with the repeated slamming of blacks, gays and those of the jewish faith. We're talking basic human decency and basic manners. Note for clarification: I am only talking about situations where members get wound up & start spamming the boards with hate filled rants. I certainly do not mean to suggest that any words, thoughts or opinions should be banned or censored or anything of the sort. I refer instead to the rant threads and the intent behind those threads, they are worse than spam IMO.
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I'm going to agree with the above post about moderating posts intended to be intentionally malicious.
Never got my posts deleted however someone disliked my post about a specific event of my childhood, it was a joke of poor taste I realize that now that I'm sober however.... I don't want to redact it because I feel people shouldn't look away from this issue(not the censorship issue, its a different one)
Anyway I'm stopping here before another shit storm starts on the forums. Most of you would easily recognize what I'm talking about and realize why I won't take it further than this post.
I have a lot to say about the issue of moderating the forums vs. freedom of speech and censorship, but my god.... just read that post. Posting anymore than this is just going to start it all over again.
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No. I donot think it is faire that one member's opineions be force fed to the reest of the community.
Unforrtunatesly I do not remmebr the sychotic fit even thought he last 3 days are cleer in my mind.
What I no is that you have put [/quote} at the end of the addy, bringing you up to the top of the page. If you cut this: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=28456.msg761537#msg761537 it scrolls to the post maide by NOTspacechik.
Fixed error.
I see the post are exactly as I expected them to follow.
Please more speak up I want to have a non censored discussion on how members that constantly post offensive spamming is or isnt censorship in the forum.
kitkat you know where i am at all times, we can talk there.
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nomad
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Fixed error.
I see the post are exactly as I expected them to follow.
Please more speak up I want to have a non censored discussion on how members that constantly post offensive spamming is or isnt censorship in the forum.
kitkat you know where i am at all times, we can talk there.
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nomad
*Raz shyly enters the room and puts up puffy-dog eyes looking for food. Lol, no food, so has a cone....*
TY. Yeah, I figured it to lead to NOTspacecase's post. I will come to that bar you and kitkat are at later, (or meth lab lol :P) but for now, I will talk here. (Lost bus fare :P) Gee I wrote on the wrong thread answering this exact q., ::) on http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=111042.45 , but......
I am well versed in Agorism and Libertarianism. On one hand Agorists/Libertarians tend to be quite against the flow of information being restricted. Thus, a person who runs an Agorist communication channel is not likely to be in favor of censoring the communications, other than in cases of spam for example. On the other hand, Agorists/Libertarians do think that the final call for censorship is the right of the property owners. It would not be in violation of Agorist principles for DPR to censor the information on the forum that he runs, it is his to do as he pleases with as he is the person who runs it. That said, he is unlikely to personally desire the posts on this forum to be censored, as he is an Agorist.
I may not be your biggest fan kmf (and you know why) but I’m certainly not unappreciative for your contributions in the security section and I can say that you are wasting your time with this idiot as he is merely copy-pasting stuff to spam ↑ the forums, and now is obviously doing the same here and claiming it is own words on the subject. If you followed this guy’s posts, the ones that weren’t locked for his trolling, you will find he is pretending to be a veteran top vendor, but no one has heard of him and he has heard of no one here. You are ≥ valuable on other threads and I’d advise you to not even waste your intellect and time here with him, as you and Roky are not even on the same wavelength or planet even, and he will just waste your time. He has no friends here as his K will indicate, and unlike us will not last here.
I don’t know who the phuc you are kmf but I know enough to know he doesn’t deserve your time. It is possible to see from his time sig.s that he has no life, as he spends literally all his time here. I don’t know any “top vendor” that has this much free time, safe to say that myth is busted. He says nothing but trash with all his posts and has a cry whenerver someone points it out, at which stage he goes through the poster’s entire history starting from their very first post. Safe to say…. no life…. Thought you should know as your posts on sec. and phil. threads well thought out and it would be a pity to see you waste time over this moron who has merely copy-pasted something lol.
Not trolling. You need to know as it seemed from your post you were taking this idiot seriously. Not too sure why dick is still here, what I do know is…….
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……… is on first page of signing ↑ which means that admin [edit.] above as English [edit.] first language. Oh, further……
Think of it as a school, where most of the students are trying to learn, and there is that *one guy* who insists on cutting up and bullying others. It simply cannot be allowed.
This is not a platform to debate if you should post about other ethnic groups, or bash other members.
Well. I think that was pretty clear? Good. (See….? Some people have brains Roky….. Aw…. [Roky brain cell count: empty. {error. Page timed out.}])
Here's an observation that will no doubt earn me a a river of shit from ol mate Roky Erickson... but I am posting it without malicious intent and upon his very own principles of "freedom of speech and opinions".
Well none of that would be from me, in fact +K for having a spyne. I disagree that he has valid points though....... his posts are pathetic.
Now. As for samesame. Great response post to a rather crap post by a rather crap (and worthless) member of Silk Road and Silk Road forums. Hope you had fun today! (I got a tad pissed he he, but okay now thanks for asking). An once again Roky has twisted what people have said editing parts of it. Don’t worry, your meaning in posts is clear I think. But you’re dead wrong with him being clever with words btw. Lol, this guy hasn’t even graduated high school by the looks of things…… Um…..I think pine and cypher a litte more “clever” lol. And what about astor and NC in sec.? kfm sec. and phil. posts? Dude, you’re killing me here. I literally PLOTZED with that comment and thought Oz Day strted early. Ahh. TY for some good memories…. Raz loves a good chuckle so thank you. (Also…… things are not always as they seem until you talk to the person in question.)
Lol, this is a very depressing thread like any thread Roky is on, so feel free to check the others….ta ta. :)
Piece out. Drive safefly. Eat plenty. (Yaay) :)
Okay people I know I type quick but I can edit in time. If too long, not the end of the world, Raz can snip. (not vasectomy, Silk Road forum post) ::)
Taa.... :)
Piece out. Rave safely. Eat plenty.
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I'm just looking at nanpa2001 post (in other thread..... link above) and all the others above, and thinking this thread really did backfire a little for Roky. Epic. No one here think that mods censor things. Everyone, or most, is on board on this issue. I'm glad that people can differentiate the difference between stand-over modding and responding to a threat caused by a parasite. No mod has ever censored someone that I can recall. In fact, if you look at the stuff here, with the allowed swearing and so forth, I think it's pretty damn generous what we can say here. If some mod censors someone, you can bet they stuffed up pretty badly. I mean, if you find SR forums too tough when it comes to censorship, shit, you must have problems buddy. There IS no censorship. We are given a huge leash. Some trolls are can just never fit in no matter where they go. Oh well. Piss off Roky. :D
If someone thinks a mod has gone too far, or, I'll make it even easier..... has even censored in the first place, raise you hand......? seriously, who has even been censored? b/c it takes a fair bit.
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
So in a. to the OP q., see above. 8)
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What ever the mods think is correct us little people need to respect....
as long as its not totally ludicrous..
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I think that if somune is causing a nuisance then yes, get rid of them bi all meens. Someone's negative oipinions shoold not be forced on the communite without expecting to be trolled bak.
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Anarchism rules. I though DPR was a fan?
I don't think anyone needs to be censored.. . .. people have the tools such as ignoring members tool.
Let them speak.! Heck Im afraid to make this post for fear of being banned. . .
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Anarchism rules. I though DPR was a fan?
I don't think anyone needs to be censored.. . .. people have the tools such as ignoring members tool.
Let them speak.! Heck Im afraid to make this post for fear of being banned. . .
The terms of agreement are all the moderators were ever given to as a way to moderate the forums.
To not moderator according to the only description they were given is not censorship but the enforcement of Terms of Service.
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Anarchism rules. I though DPR was a fan?
I don't think anyone needs to be censored.. . .. people have the tools such as ignoring members tool.
Let them speak.! Heck Im afraid to make this post for fear of being banned. . .
I'd like to back Scampony in this, in fact it says it in the very first page when you sign up and I quoted that above. I'm not sure you know the particular posts that were causing the drama that eventually evolved in a mod actually feeling it necessary/desirable to kre-8 this thread....... obviously not...... you really think Raz loves censorship? Dude, all the info is above it's not that hard. As for Iggy, well, it can be used to a certain degree but in some situations it is not sufficient to merely say put someone on Iggy.
As for your joke about being banned, the fact you're joking about means it's not an issue, the fact it's not an issue means it's not happening to start with. If you get censored by a mod, you have to be pretty fucking retarded.......
{Note: Retard Roky was "censored".......oh dear oh dear} :D
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
[Edit. "Anarchism rules" yeah of course, but if I came over to your house and said your mother had herpes would you take it b/c of "free speech" or kick my ass lol? Yar, sometimes you have to draw the line.......whatever happened to using our brain lol :o ]
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Anarchism rules. I though DPR was a fan?
I don't think anyone needs to be censored.. . .. people have the tools such as ignoring members tool.
Let them speak.! Heck Im afraid to make this post for fear of being banned. . .
I'd like to back Scampony in this, in fact it says it in the very first page when you sign up and I quoted that above. I'm not sure you know the particular posts that were causing the drama that eventually evolved in a mod actually feeling it necessary/desirable to kre-8 this thread....... obviously not...... you really think Raz loves censorship? Dude, all the info is above it's not that hard. As for Iggy, well, it can be used to a certain degree but in some situations it is not sufficient to merely say put someone on Iggy.
As for your joke about being banned, the fact you're joking about means it's not an issue, the fact it's not an issue means it's not happening to start with. If you get censored by a mod, you have to be pretty fucking retarded.......
{Note: Retard Roky was "censored".......oh dear oh dear} :D
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
I agree here
[Edit. "Anarchism rules" yeah of course, but if I came over to your house and said your mother had herpes would you take it b/c of "free speech" or kick my ass lol? Yar, sometimes you have to draw the line.......whatever happened to using our brain lol :o ]
but here I just wanted to critique your metaphor: Silk Road isn't anyone's house - therefore nobody has an INHERENT right to tell someone they CANT say something.
However - we have all put that right into the hands of the mods by being here.
so it's their call
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just my .02 BTC
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[Edit. "Anarchism rules" yeah of course, but if I came over to your house and said your mother had herpes would you take it b/c of "free speech" or kick my ass lol? Yar, sometimes you have to draw the line.......whatever happened to using our brain lol :o ]
but here I just wanted to critique your metaphor: Silk Road isn't anyone's house - therefore nobody has an INHERENT right to tell someone they CANT say something.
However - we have all put that right into the hands of the mods by being here.
so it's their call
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just my .02 BTC
I respectively (and I can't stress this enough, I have 0 intention of starting any sort of pissing contest or bashing anyone who puts out a non-troll post) disagree with your disagreement/critique. I don't believe that it would be unfair to say that both SR and the official SR forums ARE, metaphorically speaking, DPR's house (office building would work better, but it makes no functional difference). DPR built and manages both spaces, has at no point renounced ownership of either, and thus both the forums and the main site are his property.
Part of DPR's strategy for managing the forums is assigning a group of moderators to watch over the boards. But what are they watching for? Well, DPR put in something known as a "Terms of Service" and creating an account on his forum is CONTINGENT (I'll return to the significance of this in a moment) upon accepting the Terms of Service and thus necessarily contingent upon accepting the work of the mods so long as they do no deviate from their prescribed duties (mentioned above).
As I noted earlier, one who has made an account has explicitly accepted (by checking the box) the prescribed work of the mods. If one does check the box indicating that they have read and agree to the Terms of Service and subsequently violate the Terms of Service flagrantly and repeatedly, then that account deserves to be banned plain and simple.
Free speech is wonderful, and I doubt that anyone on this forum would seriously contest that. It is imperative to note, however, that in exercising our natural right of free speech we have the responsibility to make sure that we are not infringing upon the rights of others. For instance, in your own house you should be able to say whatever you want, you can curse jews, blacks, women, children, plumbers, that bitch Staci from work, etc. In another's house first make sure that what you have to say is acceptable to the owner, if it is not, you have no reasonable right to be offended when he kicks you out of his house.
This is all from an Anarcho-capitalist perspective which respects the concept of private property.
tl:dr
If in DPR's house then follow DPR's rules;
DPR'S rules = Terms of Service;
.:. If in DPR's house then follow Terms of Service
EDIT for grammar
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TY for that treebeard. :) I get the fact that you can't tell someone what they can and can't say, but you have to draw a line in extreme circumstances I think. Like above, on page of joining Silk Road you agree not to do certain things and it is generous in the extreme. You can do pretty much anything, but bullying, spamming and basically being a dick is forbidden (doesn't actually say "I agree to not be a dick" but I forget exact words) and Roky Erikson was going out of his way to provoke SR forums management and others on forum. Obviously this is against the rules, it;s there in black and white. If you go to nay other forum or chat room I think you'll agree it's more than generous how far we can go.
Yeah, Silk Road is not my house. I know. And no one here has a right to tell me what I can and can't say. True. But you agree to the terms before you sign up not to go out of your way to target or vilify people. Don't forget people, you might report something to a mod, but admin ultimately make decisions on policy..... when it's time for a member to go and so forth. Same with any forum or chatroom. Mods are there (in other chatrooms, not here) usually monitor rooms and see if anything needs to be deleted, or a user booted (not banned) but the decision to "handle" someone is not the mod's job description, it ultimately is up to admin and mgm to make that decision. I have no reason to expect it to be different on Silk Rod forums.
If you saw the posts you might have a little sympathy for just what the mods had to put up with and how much of a total wanker this guy was. It must be embarrassing to get "censored" on SR forums, b/c that's a bit of a challenge quite frankly.
Hope this helps. :)
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
[Edit. Lol, I posted this at same time as MagicMan. Okay so he's put me to shame a little b/c he's said it better than I have..... but I'd like to bang this (agree with) as it was what I was trying to say, but just a little more polite lol, and without using "dick" or "wanker" once like I did :P]
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I hope this +1 will make up for the shame I have caused you Raz. You've had some very good posts with respect to this whole issue in several threads.
EDIT: not sure if I was able to +1 you just now, I may have done it recently when I read your posts in the other thread(s)
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I feel y'all, it's all good - I'm glad when this community comes together and discusses things.
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No. I donot think it is faire that one member's opineions be force fed to the reest of the community.
Unforrtunatesly I do not remmebr the sychotic fit even thought he last 3 days are cleer in my mind.
What I no is that you have put [/quote} at the end of the addy, bringing you up to the top of the page. If you cut this: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=28456.msg761537#msg761537 it scrolls to the post maide by NOTspacechik.
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WTF is going on, the patients running the insane asylum again? Have mods not been given any guidance on what is ok to delete and what isn't?
Ask DPR how to handle it.
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WTF is going on, the patients running the insane asylum again? Have mods not been given any guidance on what is ok to delete and what isn't?
Ask DPR how to handle it.
DPR doesnt like to answer questions.
Comprende?
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nomad
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I hope this +1 will make up for the shame I have caused you Raz. You've had some very good posts with respect to this whole issue in several threads.
EDIT: not sure if I was able to +1 you just now, I may have done it recently when I read your posts in the other thread(s)
Yeah I got it, TY :) And TY for reading my posts..... I notice a lot of people don't comprehend things too well (no offense, I said a lot not all lol) despite the fact I try and make it easy for them to let me say something, without technically saying anything lol :-\ Anyway, whatever. (Frustrating.) So TY. :)
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No. I donot think it is faire that one member's opineions be force fed to the reest of the community.
Unforrtunatesly I do not remmebr the sychotic fit even thought he last 3 days are cleer in my mind.
What I no is that you have put [/quote} at the end of the addy, bringing you up to the top of the page. If you cut this: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=28456.msg761537#msg761537 it scrolls to the post maide by NOTspacechik.
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As for....
WTF is going on, the patients running the insane asylum again? Have mods not been given any guidance on what is ok to delete and what isn't?
Ask DPR how to handle it.
See above. Booting (and final say) on other forums is usually handled by admin, I assume that as a forum there would be some similarities here. Mods usually don't make policy, they F1 regulate it and keep site ticking over, sometimes thanklessly. Hope this clears it up.