Silk Road forums
Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Roky Erickson on January 25, 2013, 03:32 am
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Lately this place has been awash with members registered a month or two ago and who think it is their right to dictate how the forums should be run. Most of these people have no idea what DPR is about, or that he built SR and these forums on Libertarian/Agorist principles. Hell, most of these twits I have conversed with lately don't even know what Libertarianism or Agorism is.
Libertarianism - An extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.
There is no exact definition of Libertarianism but this one sums it up nicely, and I can assure you the minimal state intervention referred to here has nothing to do with intervening with an individual's right to speak freely. It has more to do with practical implications i.e. roads, hospitals, rubbish removal etc.
Agorism - a revolutionary libertarian political philosophy that advocates the goal of bringing about of a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics, thus engaging in a manner with aspects of peaceful revolution.
This does not have much to do with free speech but it is important to know that Samuel Edward Konkin III developed the Agorist philosophy with libertarian ideals in mind.
Recently there has been a lot of discussion about the censoring of these forums, a discussion I don't recall seeing when I first came here (mid to late 2011). It has always been a given that this place is completely free, no intervention from higher powers, unless, like in the case of roads and hospitals in the real world, it is practical (spam threads). That is what makes SR such a great place, truly unique in today's PC world. This is not just something I feel strongly about, I have no doubt my views were and I believe still are the majority held view.
One of the worst words ever coined in the English language is offense/offensive, as it's often used to deny people their use of language. However I must say I find it incredibly offensive when someone who has not even been here a few months wants to dictate to members and mods alike what we can and can't discuss here. These people obviously heard about a place they can 'score' and are treating SR as just that, another place they can score. (Am I the only person who can see a direct correlation between recent SR coverage on Fox News and a sudden influx of censorship loving lemmings?) They have no idea what members and DPR are talking about when they talk of a revolution, they most likely just pass it off as commies or hippies talking shit. However, when I see someone regged in dec2012 attempting to dictate the 'character' of these forums, I can laugh and move on. Yes, I find it offensive, but that does not mean I have to be angry about it (pity is much nicer than anger). I am in no way forced to read what they have said nor do I need to respond, if I do that's my choice.
Some more discussion of free speech can be found in this thread, which was unfortunately locked (oh the irony) by a moderator after they left me a weak backhanded jibe in it, classy stuff: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=110677.0
So my message, to anyone who is unhappy with some of the subjects discussed in these forums, or to the lack of censorship/moderation, is that these forums are not for you, and for you to come in here and try and change the community to one that denies free speech is rude and pathetic. I am an atheist, I don't go to church groups and confront them about their beliefs I don't agree with, or demand they renounce their faith, so why come to a forum founded on Libertarian principles/ideals and call for censorship? As I have said before people who advocate censorship or more state control in general are the reason why we have to buy/sell drugs anonymously in the first place, for shame.
I would very much like to hear from DPR regarding the recent 'censorship for the good of the community' mantra being employed by our mods lately, I don't believe the original DPR (many believe he sold SR to another entity, understandable if true) would approve.
To the mods, I have not been abusive nor have I broken any rules with this post. It is in the correct sub-forum, no need to be moved. I do not want this thread locked, ever, let the community decide when it is irrelevant and it will be buried accordingly. If it is derailed or if someone becomes abusive/breaks rules so be it, but don't deny the good guys their say because others broke rules.
tl;dr?
In short - Laissez-faire
Peace out homies
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It's funny how you mention newbies and DPR's ideals like you know them, seeing as how you have 70 posts ::)
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You just don't get it champ. Do you think the Mod's are just given that role and allowed to do as they please? DPR and the Admins have rules and principals which the Mod's must follow and enforce across this growing community. Instead of whinging relentlessly and trying to reinvent the wheel, why don't you move on a leave SR? Your time has come and your way passed your use-by date. Start up a forum of your own and put us out of our misery. :( ???
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It's funny how you mention newbies and DPR's ideals like you know them, seeing as how you have 70 posts ::)
I do know DPR's ideals quite well, perhaps not 100%, but he is a very open person on these forums and a delight to discuss ideas with. You might've been aware of this if you had not registered on Oct 31st 2012. Also, as stated in other threads, this is an anon account, I have chosen not to post from my vendor account due to the fact that this wonderful site is currently my only revenue source, so I don't want to risk ruffling the wrong feathers. If 70 posts don't impress you, how about top 10 percent of sellers? Over 1000 transactions?
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When you cut through the bloviating bullshit, it boils down to this:
unless, like in the case of roads and hospitals in the real world, it is practical (spam threads).
So we agree that SOME censorship is acceptable, the rest is a matter of degree and nuance.
I think it's practical to censor trolls. It promotes a healthy, vibrant community.
If you want to know what absolute free speech looks like, find an abandoned forum. They turn into shit really fast.
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When you cut through the bloviating bullshit, it boils down to this:
unless, like in the case of roads and hospitals in the real world, it is practical (spam threads).
So we agree that SOME censorship is acceptable, the rest is a matter of degree and nuance.
I think it's practical to censor trolls. It promotes a healthy, vibrant community.
If you want to know what absolute free speech looks like, find an abandoned forum. They turn into shit really fast.
No I don't agree, in fact, I disagreed in advance..Libertarianism - An extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.
There is no exact definition of Libertarianism but this one sums it up nicely, and I can assure you the minimal state intervention referred to here has nothing to do with intervening with an individual's right to speak freely. It has more to do with practical implications i.e. roads, hospitals, rubbish removal etc.
If you want to see what absolute free speech looks like, you should have been here a year ago. Please don't twist my message, it is incredibly disingenuous. If you would like a platform for your beliefs on the subject of censorship you are free to post your thoughts here in this thread, or even start your own thread, it's totally up to you, that is the beauty of free speech. Just don't tell me what I think/believe in, that's just shitty.
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It's funny how you mention newbies and DPR's ideals like you know them, seeing as how you have 70 posts ::)
I do know DPR's ideals quite well, perhaps not 100%, but he is a very open person on these forums and a delight to discuss ideas with. You might've been aware of this if you had not registered on Oct 31st 2012. Also, as stated in other threads, this is an anon account, I have chosen not to post from my vendor account due to the fact that this wonderful site is currently my only revenue source, so I don't want to risk ruffling the wrong feathers. If 70 posts don't impress you, how about top 10 percent of sellers? Over 1000 transactions?
Then post from your real account. Stop hiding behind a bullshit account, and stop trolling.
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I didn't twist your words. I quoted you directly. You said it was practical to censor spam threads, therefore you agree that some forms of censorship are permissible. Otherwise you should be arguing to allow the spam threads.
BTW, I was here a year ago, and there wasn't nearly the problem of spammer-scammers let alone trolls and people spreading FUD. Times change and the honeymoon is over. You can't compare a year ago to today.
During the November down time, there was an organized disinformation campaign, most likely by members of BMR, claiming the site was hacked, people were going to get doxxed, etc.
The forum has been getting increasingly shitty over time and proper moderation is the only way to combat it.
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I didn't twist your words. I quoted you directly. You said it was practical to censor spam threads, therefore you agree that some forms of censorship are permissible. Otherwise you should be arguing to allow the spam threads.
BTW, I was here a year ago, and there wasn't nearly the problem of spammer-scammers let alone trolls and people spreading FUD. Times change and the honeymoon is over. You can't compare a year ago to today.
During the November down time, there was an organized disinformation campaign, most likely by members of BMR, claiming the site was hacked, people were going to get doxxed, etc.
The forum has been getting increasingly shitty over time and proper moderation is the only way to combat it.
Responding to you is only dignifying your ramblings, so this will be my last one. When you delete a thread created by a robot you are not denying anyone free speech, kay? kay
As for scamming that is what the SR escrow system is for, and is what makes SR so great. So because you want to deal outside of SR with people you meet on the forums the rest of us who are not borderline retarded must suffer censorship? FUCK NO!! Silk road mods don't need to flush out scammers, that is what the resolution center is for, get it? good
During the November downtime I noticed a couple of withdrawing junkies talking shit but I don't recall a 'disinformation campaign', quit being a drama queen take that shit to facebook. Maybe you newbies got a little freaked, but the majority of people got on fine, shit happens. There was no such conspiracy talk in the roundtable, if you were stupid enough to believe any 'disinformation' you read that is on you bud, not the mods.
Then post from your real account. Stop hiding behind a bullshit account, and stop trolling.
Trolling? I put a lot of thought into the OP, if you don't like it or disagree with something I said that doesn't make it trolling kay? kay
Run along children
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Actually, the admins specifically instructed moderators to delete/lock spam threads and scammer threads. That comes directly from "the top" - from inigo, in fact. So, yes, as moderators we are asked to help weed & flush out scammers here on the forums. The admins themselves have deleted (and locked) many scammer threads in order to protect the community.
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When you delete a thread created by a robot you are not denying anyone free speech, kay? kay
This argument is so stupid, it hurts. Did a robot write those messages? They were written by a human who wants to steal money from people. The method of delivery is a technicality. When you censor the bot, you're censoring the scammer who wrote the bot.
As for scamming that is what the SR escrow system is for, and is what makes SR so great. So because you want to deal outside of SR with people you meet on the forums the rest of us who are not borderline retarded must suffer censorship? FUCK NO!! Silk road mods don't need to flush out scammers, that is what the resolution center is for, get it? good
As I've argued elsewhere, every bitcoin stolen by the scammer is a bitcoin that could have gone to a vendor, and part of that would have been SR profit through commission. So yes they have a vested *financial* interest in censoring the scammer who is literally stealing from them.
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Actually, the admins specifically instructed moderators to delete/lock spam threads and scammer threads. That comes directly from "the top" - from inigo, in fact. So, yes, as moderators we are asked to help weed & flush out scammers here on the forums. The admins themselves have deleted (and locked) many scammer threads in order to protect the community.
This is not american politics, let's not get bogged down with one mostly irrelevant sub-issue. Okay, delete all the scammer threads you fucken like, great, good to see SR looks after the users who need someone to hold their hand, I'm happy for them.
Now how about we discuss the issue I quite obviously set out to, censoring user's speech, I'm not a scammer and 99.9% of the people who have registered here aren't either, so let's not worry too much about the scammer's rights for now? kay?. let's discuss that one and leave the semantics for the politicians.
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As I've argued elsewhere, every bitcoin stolen by the scammer is a bitcoin that could have gone to a vendor, and part of that would have been SR profit through commission. So yes they have a vested *financial* interest in censoring the scammer who is literally stealing from them.
Breaking my promise!! wow, excellent point here.
Hey while we are at it, once when I was 14 I was mugged by a gang of hoodlums, they stole 20 dollars I had on me, cmon silk road lets band together and track down these hoodlums!! That money could have been converted into bitcoin and then perhaps used to buy from an SR vendor!! THIS SHITS PERSONAL!!!
astor it's quite clear you have no intention of discussing my OP, you merely seek to make this anonymous stranger feel stupid (a telltale sign that you must have an awesome life!) by disagreeing with one minute point I made. If you have anything else to say to me feel free to pm me, you dont want to turn this discussion into a back and forth apeshit toss do you? Let us let others chime in with their thoughts too, instead of airing our slight disagreements in public shall we? pm me
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Except, you know, when you were 14, you didn't give those hoodlums your $20 with the intent of transferring it to SR, while people on the forum are. That changes the whole culpability game.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if you don't understand that, intentionally or otherwise.
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For the record it should be noted that when people talk about "free speech" it's typically a reference to the legal concept that governments should not try to censor their subjects.
A website owner having posts deleted is more of a property rights issue than "free speech" issue. No one has a "right" to take up space unwanted space on someone's server.
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I am new here and I don't know of any examples of widespread censorship. This is a very open community. I haven't seen any topics that were forbidden. Is there a topic you wanted to discuss but were prevented from doing so. (besides the bit coin scam)
Like any forum there are people who go out of there way to help new people and other who get annoyed easily by new people but I haven't seen anyone forbidden to speek on a topic.
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Except, you know, when you were 14, you didn't give those hoodlums your $20 with the intent of transferring it to SR, while people on the forum are. That changes the whole culpability game.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if you don't understand that, intentionally or otherwise.
Ok cool, if you want to discuss the probability of each scenario indirectly affecting SR, and how probable a case has to be before SR should step in fine, pm me about it. I can't promise you will get a response though, I fail to see why it is relevant or a reason for censorship.
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For the record it should be noted that when people talk about "free speech" it's typically a reference to the legal concept that governments should not try to censor their subjects.
A website owner having posts deleted is more of a property rights issue than "free speech" issue. No one has a "right" to take up space unwanted space on someone's server.
For the record it should be noted that danconia is one of the ignorant newbies trying to dictate how this forum should be run, sep 2012 register date, still I would've thought that would be enough time to recognize the difference between darknet and clearnet. Property rights? lol I think he is serious, frightening.
I sure hope DPR doesn't take me to court :o I better lawyer up!!
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lol you troll you registered december 30th. If you want to have any credibility over newbies(cause you are a fucking noob), sign on to your supposed vendor account. Oh wait you don't have one, you're just a troll
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For the record it should be noted that when people talk about "free speech" it's typically a reference to the legal concept that governments should not try to censor their subjects.
I love hearing people scream about their rights. For instance, human rights. There is no such thing. Try walking naked through the jungle and see what the wild animals think about your human rights. The only rights you have are those bestowed upon you by your government. In return for those rights you agree to live in society under a set of guidelines or laws. In America we have freedom of speech. Which means that if we're good little worker bees they will let us complain about it up to a point.
The only rights we have here are those which DPR has granted. This is not a government. This is not a democracy. There is no right to free speech or right to anything else. This is a business. It is private property. It has rules. It has guidelines. Do you have rules in your household? No smoking, wipe your feet, whatever. Your kingdom, your rules. DPR can do whatever the fuck he wants.
The only right you have is the right to leave.
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lol you troll you registered december 30th. If you want to have any credibility over newbies(cause you are a fucking noob), sign on to your supposed vendor account. Oh wait you don't have one, you're just a troll
I have already proven myself to be a vendor, just because you have not read the thread that doesn't mean it didn't happen, you don't know everything, no matter what mummy told you.
If I wasn't a vendor then how would I know three thread titles on the front page of the roundtable..
1. Hedge Escrow or Expose, Vet Vendor opinion?
2. Why is it that there are barely any vendors who have been here 1 year ?
3. The BLACKLIST | List of all users who've been flagged | Check page one for list
^^ That's right buyers, look out!
Anyway I really have no desire to talk to you anymore, I find it amusing that you are calling other people a 'fucking noob' when you registered not even 3 months ago haha. Anyway you are on the ignore list now too.
I'll just sum you up with one of your own posts:
Oh for fucks sake with the flaming already. Reported again
^^ What are you 13? embarrassing
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For the record it should be noted that when people talk about "free speech" it's typically a reference to the legal concept that governments should not try to censor their subjects.
I love hearing people scream about their rights. For instance, human rights. There is no such thing. Try walking naked through the jungle and see what the wild animals think about your human rights. The only rights you have are those bestowed upon you by your government. In return for those rights you agree to live in society under a set of guidelines or laws. In America we have freedom of speech. Which means that if we're good little worker bees they will let us complain about it up to a point.
The only rights we have here are those which DPR has granted. This is not a government. This is not a democracy. There is no right to free speech or right to anything else. This is a business. It is private property. It has rules. It has guidelines. Do you have rules in your household? No smoking, wipe your feet, whatever. Your kingdom, your rules. DPR can do whatever the fuck he wants.
The only right you have is the right to leave.
DPR is not our boss. SR is not a business, don't expect to see them on the stock exchange anytime soon. All you people talking about laws, rights and businesses; you have no clue. SR has no mandate, how these forums are run IS totally up to DPR, and I'm fairly certain he is on my side here. If I could be fucked I would go through his posts and find you an example of DPR speaking against censorship and FOR free speech. I'm positive there is a beautiful quote in there somewhere, nevertheless he has spoken frequently about his agorist/libertarian ideals, it goes without saying, for most that is..
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Roky the serial pest, enough is enough. If your so versed in agorist/libertarian ideals as you proclaim to be, stop hiding behind this "fake" account, stand by your convictions and post from your vendor's account. Only a coward hides behind a mask to express their true feelings instead of taking a stance to passionately fight for your rights and beliefs. SR is a business. It has an owner/s, Administration staff who are in charge and Mod's and Support Staff, who all contribute to keeping the site up and operational. The object of any business worldwide is to MAKE MONEY!! That's the objective of everybody who starts a business! After all is said and done, a business has to make a profit for it to remain afloat and there is no doubt the profitability of SR is continuing to grow immeasurably. DPR is certainly reaping the fruits of his labor and considering what he has managed to achieve thus far, it's hard to have anything but admiration for his efforts and skill.
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*Raz looks doe-eyed about the room and coughs politely, and was on his way out the door when he thought, aw shucks, lets sit ↓ a minute b/c this thread is so pathetic*
Wow. What a difference. I noticed that Roky came out slinging abuse at everyone 2 days ago and now the posts seem to have toned down a tad. Perhaps it is b/c you think that people may take you seriously, but honestly I think it's too late to make a thread on "censorship" b/c frankly you stuffed ↑ with everybody and are now trying to redeem yourself by attempting a polite approach.
It's not going to work. Nobody buys this "censorship" thing. You were out of line. The fact you weren't booted is staggering. You sure as hell ain't popular around here. We have already argued this censorship thing yesterday....... nomad bloodbath covered this already and everyone responded to the thread and already concluded. You just realised you made an error and are trying to make ↑ for it.
I'm not going to start a shit-storm with you. You obviously have ≥ time on your hands than you know what to do with. If you really were a "top vendor" you would not be here. You have twisted people's words ç all day and then complain that astor muphed your words. You don't seem to have any friends here, and I'm still being polite, really I am, you seem to have run your course.
If you are only going to come here and cause trouble under the lame excuse of, um, um, "censorship", cough, and berated mods, admin, DPR and everyone here, why are you here? You said you are a 1st generation-er, um, how do you not know grahamgreen or anyone else here?
Again, I'm not trying to feed this thing, but q. still stands...... if you haven't contributed anything but trolling people..... and you hate it so much like you say you do....... why are you always on the forums?
I have gained around 8 negative karma point's since i posted this.
My only explanation is there must be a lot of bitter people out there :(
When I get my 100 mark, I am going to sell good karma for a 2 pennies each!!! 5 cent's for the jerks!! (kidding)
That was always gonna happen, the people who did it are not bitter, they just don't care about the karma points and gave you one for a giggle, I know I would if I had 100 posts, but all mine will be fired directly at razorspyne :)
.......oh that explains it. ::) I just remembered another post you made that said you were trying to get to 100 posts for the sole purpose of negging me. Safe to say..... you're not a coke vendor like you claim. You sound nothing like Lim or the others at all.
You quoted rosannebar, and I'd like to quote her too.... a different quote......
Think of it as a school, where most of the students are trying to learn, and there is that *one guy* who insists on cutting up and bullying others. It simply cannot be allowed.
This is not a platform to debate if you should post about other ethnic groups, or bash other members.
I would like any Newbie or Jr reading this to ask older members, or a mod, with q.s. A lot here are always :) to F1! But really, I would stay away from Roky as he will be on his own before too long. Come to us instead. :D (Scampony and purplelotus are fairly friendly with new q.s, I'm sure they can F1 but there are plenty of other friendly people here (among the dicks :-[ ) who will also answer your q.s, and with a lot ≥ authority. :) )
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
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A libertarian complaining about his lack of liberties on the forum for a website where you can buy and sell illegal goods with saturated risk...the fucking irony.
Having mods to keep a site user friendly and easy to browse is not censorship.
Everything in moderation even libertarianism. A drug person should know this.
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Well it seems my post between WadOzo and Razorspyne got completely removed from the database it feels good to know my suspicious' were true and for me finally through..
Adios gang, this cat is out of this house of mating season has begiun and I cant be bother'd to speak my mind without censorship so instead of rampaging I'LL JUST LEAVE.
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nomad
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Razor what the hell are you talking about, I am first fucking gen and you are right, I don't know grahamgreene, unless of course his real name is actually grahamgreene. This is an anonymous website, I only know his online handle and yes I have known it for a long time. Anyway, you are quite a dumb person, I don't wish to talk with you, so I will just post some of your quotes instead, your words speak more than mine ever could..
I must be missing something gathering from the posts above on BTC conversion rate from QC_M39_KING and Limetless. I was under the impression that higher USD to BTC (or GBP, AUD, etc.) meant less BTC can be bought at that rate, meaning yes that would definitely put off buyers from getting BTC until it came down a little. So while the ACTUAL value of drugs has not changed, it will still technically cost more to buy at this rate if you still need to buy BTC. What am I missing here?
The high rate is the whole reason I'm sitting here drinking Coke instead of sniffing coke (and playing with my poisons). Am I really bad at maths or something?
^^ doesnt think he is a newbie?!
For the people who read his post and had no idea what the fuck he was saying, don't worry, neither does he..
Yes it's not just thrifty geeks anymore in on Tor, there's a bloody good reason to use it. On that, criminals are can be very resourceful and underestimated allies to have.... the FBI and U.S. IC have managed to piss a lot of people off and now criminals and the IT community are collaborating albeit independently on fronting these guys. You think you're the only one whose bad side they've got on? I'd like to be a fly on the wall when tech-heads finally get round to hacking into FBI and police computers and shutting them all down just for shits-and-giggles the same way they've been doing the same thing to us for about 8 years now.
Oh, I have this problem. I feel something is happening to me mentally. I'm making grammar errors and I fear I'm slowly losing my marbles. Should I go back to taking speed or will that just make it worse. Is that a silly thing to say? Is that a clever thing to say? I used to write fairly well but the last 3,4 days I have been getting worse and my eyes playing tricks on me. So excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me if I happen to make an error here or there, you can still understand what I'm saying I imagine.
Would be funny if it wasn't so sad
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A libertarian complaining about his lack of liberties on the forum for a website where you can buy and sell illegal goods with saturated risk...the fucking irony.
Having mods to keep a site user friendly and easy to browse is not censorship.
Everything in moderation even libertarianism. A drug person should know this.
I don't think you understand irony, a libertarian complaining about his lack of liberties is not ironic. Mods deleting spam threads, posted by software bots, and moving threads to more appropriate sub-forums to make the site more user friendly is not censorship, and I never said it was.
Mods deleting posts they find offensive is censorship, would you not agree?
I would really like to hear from members who have been here longer than 6 months, pretty much every reply here is from some new member with a 1000 posts in a few weeks, obviously upset that I refer to them as newbies.
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Silk Road was founded on libertarian principles and continues to be operated on them. It is a great idea and a great practical system. Not everyone here is intelligent. It is not a utopia. It is regulated by market forces, not a central power (even I am subject to market forces by my competition. No one is forced to be here). The same principles that have allowed Silk Road to flourish can and do work anywhere human beings come together. The only difference is that the State is unable to get its thieving murderous mits on it.
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The way I see it, we are all players in something that has grown way beyond any one of us. Granted I play a unique role, but part of that role is continually earning the trust of the community to make the right choices going forward, and to serve each of you as best I can. Silk Road was built to serve you, your needs and desires are the wind that fills its sails. Without you, we are dead in the water. So sure, it's my job to steer and chart the course, and I am ultimately responsible for the outcome of this experiment, but never forget where the real power lies. It's where it always has been, in your hands.
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For me personally, I love people and seeing them empowered and free, so part of the profit I gain from this venture is that satisfaction. The difference is that a true agorist will never force a collectivist agenda on people who want no part in it. The ends DO NOT justify the means, so if people voluntarily form a collective and are free to leave at will, then I see no contradiction there with agorism. Forcing people to comply with your vision of what the collective should be...there we have problems!
So, in the case of Silk Road, people are free to participate or not. If there is anything they don't like about it, they can use any alternatives available to them. Therefore, we are a voluntary community.
I guess the point of my first post is that I don't operate in a vacuum. If I make bad decisions, people leave. If I make good ones, people stay and spread the word even. So yea, if we want to prosper, I need you and you need me. That relationship is the fiber that builds up to make something like Silk Road have a life of it's own. The collective part is just an observation of this. Instead of trying to control this development, a big part of my job is staying out of the way and letting the pattern emerge.
When you censor certain types of discussion because you disagree with them, you are forcing an agenda on people. Sure, DPR owns the site and has all the power, however, if he wants to continue to base SR and these forums on the principles of Agorism and Libertarianism, he will continue to allow free speech, otherwise this may as well be twitter.
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TY to The Drugstore Cowboy for putting things into perspective.
Well it seems my post between WadOzo and Razorspyne got completely removed from the database it feels good to know my suspicious' were true and for me finally through..
Adios gang, this cat is out of this house of mating season has begiun and I cant be bother'd to speak my mind without censorship so instead of rampaging I'LL JUST LEAVE.
X)
nomad
Once again I wasn't coming in and once again I found compelled to and you know why I can't just quit nomad until then. : (Don't know whether you'll read this before you go, my intenrt is juyst phucked tonight. I apologise on behalf of DPR for whover did thta. I did not see that post at all. I woll be dammned to see you turn into guru ans will rage on your behalf. Nobody fucks areound good workers. Nobody. Newbies out of line in Nebie section, just checked.
Listen. Don;t felll you are unappereciated b/c you are not at all. Just lonley on these foryums ronight, all the older SR vets gone for week. By rights they [edit.]. Just have a sleep. Hot Drink. And come back next week. We'll be here.
Um. You go DPR is gonan majek a huge fucking mistake. Piece out buddy. Hot drink. Sleep. Roll around with a woman for a day. Cruise out. Then come back refreshed. Tonnight thsus tforum is a godammn joke.
Take care of youtselg nomad. WE'll be here when you get back. :)
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Hey gang,
I read more than I post in the forum, and my posts are rarely of a personal nature. For some reason the mood struck me just now to put the revolution down for a minute and just express a few things. There is a curtain of anonymity and secrecy that covers everything that goes on behind the scenes here. It is often fast paced and stressful behind this curtain and I rarely lift my head long enough to take in just how amazing all of this is. But when I do I am filled with inspiration and hope for the future. Here's a little story about what inspires me:
For years I was frustrated and defeated by what seemed to be insurmountable barriers between the world today and the world I wanted. I searched long and hard for the truth about what is right and wrong and good for humanity. I argued with, learned from, and read the works of brilliant people in search of the truth. It's a damn hard thing to do too with all of the misinformation and distractions in the sea of opinion we live in. But eventually I found something I could agree with whole heartedly. Something that made sense, was simple, elegant and consistent in all cases. I'm talking about the Austrian Economic theory, voluntaryism, anarcho-capitalism, agorism etc. espoused by the likes of Mises and Rothbard before their deaths, and Salerno and Rockwell today.
From their works, I understood the mechanics of liberty, and the effects of tyranny. But such vision was a curse. Everywhere I looked I saw the State, and the horrible withering effects it had on the human spirit. It was horribly depressing. Like waking from a restless dream to find yourself in a cage with no way out. But I also saw free spirits trying to break free of their chains, doing everything they could to serve their fellow man and provide for themselves and their loved ones. I saw the magical and powerful wealth creating effect of the market, the way it fostered cooperation, civility and tolerance. How it made trading partners out of strangers or even enemies. How it coordinates the actions of every person on the planet in ways too complex for any one mind to fathom to produce an overflowing abundance of wealth, where nothing is wasted and where power and responsibility are directed to those most deserving and able. I saw a better way, but knew of no way to get there.
I read everything I could to deepen my understanding of economics and liberty, but it was all intellectual, there was no call to action except to tell the people around me what I had learned and hopefully get them to see the light. That was until I read “Alongside night” and the works of Samuel Edward Konkin III. At last the missing puzzle piece! All of the sudden it was so clear: every action you take outside the scope of government control strengthens the market and weakens the state. I saw how the state lives parasitically off the productive people of the world, and how quickly it would crumble if it didn't have it's tax revenues. No soldiers if you can't pay them. No drug war without billions of dollars being siphoned off the very people you are oppressing.
For the first time I saw the drug cartels and the dealers, and every person in the whole damn supply chain in a different light. Some, especially the cartels, are basically a defacto violent power hungry state, and surely would love nothing more than to take control of a national government, but you average joe pot dealer, who wouldn't hurt a fly, that guy became my hero. By making his living outside the purview of the state, he was depriving it of his precious life force, the product of his efforts. He was free. People like him, little by little, weakened the state and strengthened the market.
It wasn't long, maybe a year or two after this realization that the pieces started coming together for the Silk Road, and what a ride it has been. No longer do I feel ANY frustration. In fact I am at peace in the knowledge that every day I have more I can do to breath life into a truly revolutionary and free market than I have hours in the day. I walk tall, proud and free, knowing that the actions I take eat away at the infrastructure that keeps oppression alive.
We are like a little seed in a big jungle that has just broken the surface of the forest floor. It's a big scary jungle with lots of dangerous creatures, each honed by evolution to survive in the hostile environment known as human society. All manner of corporation, government agency, small family businesses, anything that can gain a foothold and survive. But the environment is rapidly changing and the jungle has never seen a species quite like the Silk Road. You can see it, but you can't touch it. It is elusive, yet powerful, and we are evolving at a rapid clip, experimenting, trying to find sturdy ground we can put roots down in.
Will we and others like us someday grow to be tall hardwoods? Will we reshape the landscape of society as we know it? What if one day we had enough power to maintain a physical presence on the globe, where we shunned the parasites and upheld the rule of law, where the right to privacy and property was unquestioned and enshrined in the very structure of society. Where police are our servants and protectors beholden to their customers, the people. Where our leaders earn their power and responsibility in the harsh and unforgiving furnace of the free market and not from behind a gun, where the opportunities to create and enjoy wealth are as boundless as one's imagination.
Some day, we could be a shining beacon of hope for the oppressed people of the world just as so many oppressed and violated souls have found refuge here already. Will it happen overnight? No. Will it happen in a lifetime? I don't know. Is it worth fighting for until my last breath. Of course. Once you've seen what's possible, how can you do otherwise? How can you plug yourself into the tax eating, life sucking, violent, sadistic, war mongering, oppressive machine ever again? How can you kneel when you've felt the power of your own legs? Felt them stretch and flex as you learn to walk and think as a free person? I would rather live my life in rags now than in golden chains. And now we can have both! Now it is profitable to throw off one's chains, with amazing crypto technology reducing the risk of doing so dramatically. How many niches have yet to be filled in the world of anonymous online markets? The opportunity to prosper and take part in a revolution of epic proportions is at our fingertips!
I have no one to share my thoughts with in physical space. Security does not permit it, so thanks for listening. I hope my words can be an inspiration just as I am given so much by everyone here.
Dread Pirate Roberts
I'm talking about the Austrian Economic theory, voluntaryism, anarcho-capitalism, agorism etc. espoused by the likes of Mises and Rothbard before their deaths, and Salerno and Rockwell today.
From their works, I understood the mechanics of liberty, and the effects of tyranny. But such vision was a curse. Everywhere I looked I saw the State, and the horrible withering effects it had on the human spirit. It was horribly depressing. Like waking from a restless dream to find yourself in a cage with no way out. But I also saw free spirits trying to break free of their chains, doing everything they could to serve their fellow man and provide for themselves and their loved ones. I saw the magical and powerful wealth creating effect of the market, the way it fostered cooperation, civility and tolerance. How it made trading partners out of strangers or even enemies. How it coordinates the actions of every person on the planet in ways too complex for any one mind to fathom to produce an overflowing abundance of wealth, where nothing is wasted and where power and responsibility are directed to those most deserving and able.
Very well put I thought. I owe all my current success to the Austrian school of economics, so this part resonated with me strongly. He is not wrong though, the more you learn about the current global economic system, the more you notice the devastating effects it has on humankind, financially and more importantly morally, and it can be horribly depressing. I cant say I am completely void of frustration at the sad state of the world, but vending on silk road sure does help, and I only see it getting better.
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Lol how sad is this fuck? ??? He's going through whole history which will take him weeks, just to copy paste comments that he thinks will discredit me. Douche doesn't get it through his thick skull he can't do anything to my reputation, b/c no one listens to him. ::) And he says he is a well-known vendor? I think we can rule that out. If you don't know who anyone is on Silk Road, um, you probably don't vend. ::) Douuuuche ::) lol
I feel sorry for his mom. She must feel like calling it "quits" and try for the next life-time ::) :P Oh well, sucks to be Roky. :D
No one here has heard of him before, apart from being "that attention-seeking dick" who really needs to look for employment rather than crying every time he comes in here. :'( lol :)
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Hey Raz,
What do you make of post #26 by nomad. He said he has had a post deleted between yours and mine, confirming his suspicions about someone deleting his posts. He said goodbye and instead of rampaging, he will leave. ???
Is he fair dinkum or just blowing off some steam do you think? If nomad goes, that's very strange. Such a quick departure. :(
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I'm sorry for that...... they obviously do not deserve to be in their positions. I really hate the idea of Silk Road being pulled down by admin/mods. I have no idea who these stealth mods or admin are. I could cause a lot of shit for Silk Road but am not going to do that..... I hate turning sides, it's conflicting. I'd prefer to stay right here. (I promise I won't be a snitch, is not Raz's style, but not Raz's style to bend over and take it either. I can have a big fucking mouyth soemtimes hiint hinyt.)
To all the good fuckers our here, BlagTag, greengrahm, BruceCampbell and a shhitload more that I forget---- all the rest ----- there's lots, who stick uo and contribuyte to SR (forgot jnemonic, dopestjunky) and anonman88 with his postive contiributions, god everyone on this thread in particuallr, jesus, thanks for all your work and/or contributions here. Unlike DPR and a couple otheres I appreciate it. Cant tyoe properly tinonight.
I think it;s time I said that in lihght of recent developments. If Silk Road doesn't stop being a joke you won't be the only obn n[edit.]. I will too. Phuc that shit.
Last 3 pages that I can, +K. Priebe out. DRive safely. eat ojelty.
Look out DPR, you got yourself an enemy!! you wanna hope the bitcoin price doesn't fall to a point where he can afford to buy some and do some serious damage to your servers!!
Smoke more meth razor, I like your style
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A libertarian complaining about his lack of liberties on the forum for a website where you can buy and sell illegal goods with saturated risk...the fucking irony.
Having mods to keep a site user friendly and easy to browse is not censorship.
Everything in moderation even libertarianism. A drug person should know this.
I don't think you understand irony, a libertarian complaining about his lack of liberties is not ironic. Mods deleting spam threads, posted by software bots, and moving threads to more appropriate sub-forums to make the site more user friendly is not censorship, and I never said it was.
Mods deleting posts they find offensive is censorship, would you not agree?
I would really like to hear from members who have been here longer than 6 months, pretty much every reply here is from some new member with a 1000 posts in a few weeks, obviously upset that I refer to them as newbies.
Listen mate I've had just about enough of your flimsy attempts to twist something that happened two days ago into something utterly different, I've sat back for a day or so and watched you attempt to morph this into something it never was. For those who missed it this all started with you posting threads denigrating ethic groups, abusing other members, making jokes about rape and generally just trolling your arse off. Can you not see that no one who read any of that agrees with you? are you really that blind? and what makes it even more ironic as you spout forth about censorship and freedom of speech you then flame anyone with a dissenting view, surely from your libertarian agorist world view everyone's opinions are worthy of being considered as nothing is offensive and anything goes right?
You are not being authentic, you are deliberately trying to make an issue out of something that never was. You trolled, you flamed, this a forum where that generally isn't considered ok but is still often left to resolve itself.
Either post from your vendor account and stand up for what you believe as who you are or give up this charade because it is clear most people here see right through it and you are fooling no one but yourself.
That's the last post I'm going to make on this issue and I'm adding you to my ignore list, I'm done.
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Hey Raz,
What do you make of post #26 by nomad. He said he has had a post deleted between yours and mine, confirming his suspicions about someone deleting his posts. He said goodbye and instead of rampaging, he will leave. ???
Is he fair dinkum or just blowing off some steam do you think? If nomad goes, that's very strange. Such a quick departure. :(
Sorry Wado, been in PM for 30 minutes, did not see your post.
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IDK Wado. I don't know whether my acc./ will be banned but I sure as shit was not gonna stand by after what happened to guru. Just posted a couple to say, keep chin up. It has been a long week for me. Perhaps it has been a long week for him. Not sure. Whatever the case, we'll see after the w/e. Stress can get to people Wado. Has been in Newbie forum answering q.s. From what I saw, there was little thanks. :-\
I'm sure he'll be fine after sleep, roll, and rock, and if he isn't, well, we'll know in due course. Whatever the case is, we'll know later rather than sooner.
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
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Listen mate I've had just about enough of your flimsy attempts to twist something that happened two days ago into something utterly different, I've sat back for a day or so and watched you attempt to morph this into something it never was. For those who missed it this all started with you posting threads denigrating ethic groups, abusing other members, making jokes about rape and generally just trolling your arse off. Can you not see that no one who read any of that agrees with you? are you really that blind? and what makes it even more ironic as you spout forth about censorship and freedom of speech you then flame anyone with a dissenting view, surely from your libertarian agorist world view everyone's opinions are worthy of being considered as nothing is offensive and anything goes right?
You are not being authentic, you are deliberately trying to make an issue out of something that never was. You trolled, you flamed, this a forum where that generally isn't considered ok but is still often left to resolve itself.
Either post from your vendor account and stand up for what you believe as who you are or give up this charade because it is clear most people here see right through it and you are fooling no one but yourself.
That's the last post I'm going to make on this issue and I'm adding you to my ignore list, I'm done.
I never made any jokes about rape, that is a sad lie and is easily disproved by checking my posts, but so what if I did? Are the mods allowed to tell us what topics we are allowed to joke about? I have been here a lot longer than you and contribute a lot more to this community too. Like I have said in another thread this forum is not for you, you believe you have the right to delete posts you feel are offensive, I and many other like-minded individuals don't want you as a moderator, we did fine without you, we will continue to do well if you leave.
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Listen mate I've had just about enough of your flimsy attempts to twist something that happened two days ago into something utterly different, I've sat back for a day or so and watched you attempt to morph this into something it never was. For those who missed it this all started with you posting threads denigrating ethic groups, abusing other members, making jokes about rape and generally just trolling your arse off. Can you not see that no one who read any of that agrees with you? are you really that blind? and what makes it even more ironic as you spout forth about censorship and freedom of speech you then flame anyone with a dissenting view, surely from your libertarian agorist world view everyone's opinions are worthy of being considered as nothing is offensive and anything goes right?
You are not being authentic, you are deliberately trying to make an issue out of something that never was. You trolled, you flamed, this a forum where that generally isn't considered ok but is still often left to resolve itself.
Either post from your vendor account and stand up for what you believe as who you are or give up this charade because it is clear most people here see right through it and you are fooling no one but yourself.
That's the last post I'm going to make on this issue and I'm adding you to my ignore list, I'm done.
I never made any jokes about rape, that is a sad lie and is easily disproved by checking my posts, but so what if I did? Are the mods allowed to tell us what topics we are allowed to joke about? I have been here a lot longer than you and contribute a lot more to this community too. Like I have said in another thread this forum is not for you, you believe you have the right to delete posts you feel are offensive, I and many other like-minded individuals don't want you as a moderator, we did fine without you, we will continue to do well if you leave.
You are clever with your words I will give you that, your use of generalizations to infer broad support for your opinions may fool some but not most as evidenced by the overwhelming number of posts in disagreement with you but as I said you are clearly blind to that fact. My privileges on here can be removed at any time should those who run this site consider it warranted, my time here is voluntary and my only intention is to help, nurture and support the community, I would invite you to reflect on whether you can truly say that is also true about you.
Your previous forum account had 174 posts and Roky had 20 before the new rules kicked in and you've been here for so long and contributed so much? In my few months here I have tried to support and help as many people as I can in an informed and balanced way, occasional flame aside but overall levelheaded and balanced. My role as a moderator is to try and keep a semblance of balance without stifling discussion and freedom of expression but occasionally there is a need to step in an moderate, its called the job.
I'm sure you will keep up your attempts to cause disharmony and unrest, thankfully we have you pegged as what you are, an annoyance who will fade away.
Good night.
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Listen mate I've had just about enough of your flimsy attempts to twist something that happened two days ago into something utterly different, I've sat back for a day or so and watched you attempt to morph this into something it never was. For those who missed it this all started with you posting threads denigrating ethic groups, abusing other members, making jokes about rape and generally just trolling your arse off. Can you not see that no one who read any of that agrees with you? are you really that blind? and what makes it even more ironic as you spout forth about censorship and freedom of speech you then flame anyone with a dissenting view, surely from your libertarian agorist world view everyone's opinions are worthy of being considered as nothing is offensive and anything goes right?
You are not being authentic, you are deliberately trying to make an issue out of something that never was. You trolled, you flamed, this a forum where that generally isn't considered ok but is still often left to resolve itself.
Either post from your vendor account and stand up for what you believe as who you are or give up this charade because it is clear most people here see right through it and you are fooling no one but yourself.
That's the last post I'm going to make on this issue and I'm adding you to my ignore list, I'm done.
I never made any jokes about rape, that is a sad lie and is easily disproved by checking my posts, but so what if I did? Are the mods allowed to tell us what topics we are allowed to joke about? I have been here a lot longer than you and contribute a lot more to this community too. Like I have said in another thread this forum is not for you, you believe you have the right to delete posts you feel are offensive, I and many other like-minded individuals don't want you as a moderator, we did fine without you, we will continue to do well if you leave.
SSBD is correct in saying you just don't get it! ??? Who cares what you want? Your opinion on who should be a Mod is totally irrelevant as you have no stake in this Forum and therefore, no say on who does what. DPR, the person you idolize and speak so highly of, is the one who appointed SSBD as a Mod. Are you willing to publicly criticize DPR for who he selected to be a Mod? One thing is for sure, you have no support on the Forum for the way you have conducted yourself. To be spending so much time on the Forum shows business for you seems a little quiet. ??? I can almost sense a little jealously in your posts towards SSBD, at you being overlooked as a Mod (God help us).
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You are clever with your words I will give you that, your use of generalizations to infer broad support for your opinions may fool some but not most as evidenced by the overwhelming number of posts in disagreement with you but as I said you are clearly blind to that fact. My privileges on here can be removed at any time should those who run this site consider it warranted, my time here is voluntary and my only intention is to help, nurture and support the community, I would invite you to reflect on whether you can truly say that is also true about you.
Your previous forum account had 174 posts and Roky had 20 before the new rules kicked in and you've been here for so long and contributed so much? In my few months here I have tried to support and help as many people as I can in an informed and balanced way, occasional flame aside but overall levelheaded and balanced. My role as a moderator is to try and keep a semblance of balance without stifling discussion and freedom of expression but occasionally there is a need to step in an moderate, its called the job.
I'm sure you will keep up your attempts to cause disharmony and unrest, thankfully we have you pegged as what you are, an annoyance who will fade away.
Good night.
What was my last account? where is 174 coming from? heh like I said to nomad feel free to publicly out me you guys are way off (spoiler alert Frank Abignail)
Anyway I have been doing some thinking, light meditation, some dark soul searching and then I got high as fuck, and it made me realise I am that bitter old guy whinging about how it used to be. Although I still stand by everything I said about censorship, the creation of this place and the evils of mods on powertrips (i.e. My role as a moderator is to try and keep a semblance of balance without stifling discussion), I am wrong to say the majority are with me on this one, as this thread so harshly points out (not one agreement..really? lol). Sure my kind were a dime a dozen in the early stages but I guess SR membership has probably quadrupled in the last year. Seeing how most of that increase has come from mainstream media coverage I guess it is only natural that the community's collective attitude would become more mainstream. Oh well that's just the way it is, an increase in customers is a nice consolation prize.
I won't bother 'protesting' from this account anymore, I doth protest too much it has been said, just a few more posts to reach 100. I apologize to all the people who were left butthurt from reading an anonymous stranger's rants.
Also, the holocaust never happened that is a fact I don't care what anyone says.
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and ffs watch bill hicks!! stop your internal dialogue
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Well it seems my post between WadOzo and Razorspyne got completely removed from the database it feels good to know my suspicious' were true and for me finally through..
Adios gang, this cat is out of this house of mating season has begiun and I cant be bother'd to speak my mind without censorship so instead of rampaging I'LL JUST LEAVE.
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nomad
What happened?! What was your post? I didn't see it either, but I hope you don't leave - your opinions and comments are always appreciated!!! Don't go! :(
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Well it seems my post between WadOzo and Razorspyne got completely removed from the database it feels good to know my suspicious' were true and for me finally through..
Adios gang, this cat is out of this house of mating season has begiun and I cant be bother'd to speak my mind without censorship so instead of rampaging I'LL JUST LEAVE.
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nomad
What happened?! What was your post? I didn't see it either, but I hope you don't leave - your opinions and comments are always appreciated!!! Don't go! :(
Sadly I think he meant he was leaving for the day.
Digging my new avatar what's up with that?
Yeah, no idea what's going on with the images. Right now, I don't see avatars for anyone, but sometimes there will be about 6 avatars for each person! Happened around the time of the forum upgrade, so it must just be an issue they're still looking into.
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What's up with post not causing a disruption getting deleted now, that's not cool. Morals shouldn't be coming into play here.
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how do I add someone to my ignore list?
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Well it seems my post between WadOzo and Razorspyne got completely removed from the database it feels good to know my suspicious' were true and for me finally through..
Adios gang, this cat is out of this house of mating season has begiun and I cant be bother'd to speak my mind without censorship so instead of rampaging I'LL JUST LEAVE.
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nomad
What happened?! What was your post? I didn't see it either, but I hope you don't leave - your opinions and comments are always appreciated!!! Don't go! :(
So what's the story scout are we good or what.
On another topic, samesame, 'fess uo, are uo smoking pot lol? ::) What do you mean, "clever" with words? Raz plotzed at that comment! :D You're kidding right? This guy? THIS guy? Clever? If you think a dick who can't even speak Enldish clever, then Raz will rock your world! :D
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Well it seems my post between WadOzo and Razorspyne got completely removed from the database it feels good to know my suspicious' were true and for me finally through..
Adios gang, this cat is out of this house of mating season has begiun and I cant be bother'd to speak my mind without censorship so instead of rampaging I'LL JUST LEAVE.
X)
nomad
What happened?! What was your post? I didn't see it either, but I hope you don't leave - your opinions and comments are always appreciated!!! Don't go! :(
Sadly I think he meant he was leaving for the day.
Digging my new avatar what's up with that?
Yeah, no idea what's going on with the images. Right now, I don't see avatars for anyone, but sometimes there will be about 6 avatars for each person! Happened around the time of the forum upgrade, so it must just be an issue they're still looking into.
I can still see yours scout, and everyone else's for that matter, including my own. :)
NOTspacecase, you can still write a post on anything without being morally reprehensible. A post will be deleted if it upsets others, abuses people, is racist or spreads hatred, amongst a list of other possibilities. Lowering ones morals to write a post is a stupid idea. If you can't write a post encompassing a topic without using morals, then it probably shouldn't be posted at all. Maintaining a degree of morals, etiquette and decorum is essential to maintain a certain standard a post must reach in order for it to be posted on the Public SR Forum.
PS - Raz, morning has broken!! ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Well it seems my post between WadOzo and Razorspyne got completely removed from the database it feels good to know my suspicious' were true and for me finally through..
Adios gang, this cat is out of this house of mating season has begiun and I cant be bother'd to speak my mind without censorship so instead of rampaging I'LL JUST LEAVE.
X)
nomad
What happened?! What was your post? I didn't see it either, but I hope you don't leave - your opinions and comments are always appreciated!!! Don't go! :(
So what's the story scout are we good or what.
On another topic, samesame, 'fess uo, are uo smoking pot lol? ::) What do you mean, "clever" with words? Raz plotzed at that comment! :D You're kidding right? This guy? THIS guy? Clever? If you think a dick who can't even speak Enldish clever, then Raz will rock your world! :D
To be fair Enldish is my second language
Also..
I must be missing something gathering from the posts above on BTC conversion rate from QC_M39_KING and Limetless. I was under the impression that higher USD to BTC (or GBP, AUD, etc.) meant less BTC can be bought at that rate, meaning yes that would definitely put off buyers from getting BTC until it came down a little. So while the ACTUAL value of drugs has not changed, it will still technically cost more to buy at this rate if you still need to buy BTC. What am I missing here?
The high rate is the whole reason I'm sitting here drinking Coke instead of sniffing coke (and playing with my poisons). Am I really bad at maths or something?
Gets me everytime!
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PS - Raz, morning has broken!! ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Lol Wado, i/n d/c., but back now. I'll pop 1 now.
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Here's an observation that will no doubt earn me a a river of shit from ol mate Roky Erickson... but I am posting it without malicious intent and upon his very own principles of "freedom of speech and opinions".
Roky, you remind me of one of those dudes that rocks up to a nightclub but is too drunk (and angry) to get in... so you stand there abusing the bouncers, slinging shit at every one else that is walking in (or past) and generally stand around for way too long until you start to piss people off.
I am not going to argue whether are exercising a god given right to stand out the front of the nightclub and bang on about the injustice being served on you, but how long do you reckon you can do that for before the bouncers or the cops or the rest of the crowd who ARE having a good time, politely ask you to politely move on... because NO-ONE else in the vicinity really wants to hear your opinion.
So after reading a bunch of your (mostly) inflammatory posts, imo this is what is happening here ol mate... you have some strong opiniowhat you should be able to do and say on the forums, but quite simply, the vast majority of people clearly don't want to hear them. Your posts are generally angry in tone, hostile in content and delivery, and on the whole don't add a scrap of value to the threads you post them in. You generally come across as someone who is just itching for an argument mate.
So think of the mods as the bouncers, and all those -karma points you are getting as the 'other people in line' that ARE getting into the nightclub...they have all had a gut full so maybe call it a night mate. If you don't like the 'bouncers' decision, and you don't like the 'crowd', and you don't have any intention on changing your tune, then maybe just move on.
Perhaps go find a rowdy, stinking, shit hole-in-the-wall club that stinks like vomit and hate, and I am sure they will welcome you with open arms there... though you probably won't get heard above the other righteous defenders of freedom of speech who are all yelling at each other above the distorted tunes blaring from the two-dollar juke box
I don't think your opinions are invalid, I just think you are continually trying to drive them down the throats of people that aren't interested in them.
Good luck and happy travels Roky.
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Sekure, the Great Aussie Philosopher, once again posting an accurate description of the situation at hand. Ol mate, Roky needs to realize this Forum, despite what he may think, has rules, morals and principals which are the fundamentals in creating the tone of the Forum. Without rules, there would be mayhem and chaos across the board, making Moderating the Forum a lot harder than it should be. At some point Roky, you need to concede that based solely on public opinion, and from people who have read your posts, your views haven't been accepted in the threads you posted in. Why that is the case is irrelevant as the fact remains, your opinions are not shared by the majority of others. Knowing this, why not share your opinions with other like minded people on another Forum? :P There are plenty to pick from on The Cleaned Hidden Wiki - http://3suaolltfj2xjksb.onion/hiddenwiki/index.php/Main_Page
You will be much happier Roky, engaging like minded people to rant and rave about topics of your choice. Taking this same course of action here on the SR Forum, will only end badly for you champ and further jeopardize any future you may have here. ??? "YO ADRIAN"
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Lately this place has been awash with members registered a month or two ago and who think it is their right to dictate how the forums should be run. Most of these people have no idea what DPR is about, or that he built SR and these forums on Libertarian/Agorist principles. Hell, most of these twits I have conversed with lately don't even know what Libertarianism or Agorism is.
Libertarianism - An extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.
There is no exact definition of Libertarianism but this one sums it up nicely, and I can assure you the minimal state intervention referred to here has nothing to do with intervening with an individual's right to speak freely. It has more to do with practical implications i.e. roads, hospitals, rubbish removal etc.
Agorism - a revolutionary libertarian political philosophy that advocates the goal of bringing about of a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics, thus engaging in a manner with aspects of peaceful revolution.
This does not have much to do with free speech but it is important to know that Samuel Edward Konkin III developed the Agorist philosophy with libertarian ideals in mind.
Recently there has been a lot of discussion about the censoring of these forums, a discussion I don't recall seeing when I first came here (mid to late 2011). It has always been a given that this place is completely free, no intervention from higher powers, unless, like in the case of roads and hospitals in the real world, it is practical (spam threads). That is what makes SR such a great place, truly unique in today's PC world. This is not just something I feel strongly about, I have no doubt my views were and I believe still are the majority held view.
One of the worst words ever coined in the English language is offense/offensive, as it's often used to deny people their use of language. However I must say I find it incredibly offensive when someone who has not even been here a few months wants to dictate to members and mods alike what we can and can't discuss here. These people obviously heard about a place they can 'score' and are treating SR as just that, another place they can score. (Am I the only person who can see a direct correlation between recent SR coverage on Fox News and a sudden influx of censorship loving lemmings?) They have no idea what members and DPR are talking about when they talk of a revolution, they most likely just pass it off as commies or hippies talking shit. However, when I see someone regged in dec2012 attempting to dictate the 'character' of these forums, I can laugh and move on. Yes, I find it offensive, but that does not mean I have to be angry about it (pity is much nicer than anger). I am in no way forced to read what they have said nor do I need to respond, if I do that's my choice.
Some more discussion of free speech can be found in this thread, which was unfortunately locked (oh the irony) by a moderator after they left me a weak backhanded jibe in it, classy stuff: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=110677.0
So my message, to anyone who is unhappy with some of the subjects discussed in these forums, or to the lack of censorship/moderation, is that these forums are not for you, and for you to come in here and try and change the community to one that denies free speech is rude and pathetic. I am an atheist, I don't go to church groups and confront them about their beliefs I don't agree with, or demand they renounce their faith, so why come to a forum founded on Libertarian principles/ideals and call for censorship? As I have said before people who advocate censorship or more state control in general are the reason why we have to buy/sell drugs anonymously in the first place, for shame.
I would very much like to hear from DPR regarding the recent 'censorship for the good of the community' mantra being employed by our mods lately, I don't believe the original DPR (many believe he sold SR to another entity, understandable if true) would approve.
To the mods, I have not been abusive nor have I broken any rules with this post. It is in the correct sub-forum, no need to be moved. I do not want this thread locked, ever, let the community decide when it is irrelevant and it will be buried accordingly. If it is derailed or if someone becomes abusive/breaks rules so be it, but don't deny the good guys their say because others broke rules.
tl;dr?
In short - Laissez-faire
Peace out homies
I have not had any posts censored despite having several controversial ones. That said I agree with this, censorship should be limited to spam not controversial topics. I hate censorship. DPR and admins and mods can do whatever the fuck they want of course, but I vote strongly against censorship.
edit: oh yeah limetless actually did delete several of my threads in one day :rolls eyes: . To be fair I was indeed trolling in several of the ones made in response to his censorship :P.
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Roky the serial pest, enough is enough. If your so versed in agorist/libertarian ideals as you proclaim to be, stop hiding behind this "fake" account, stand by your convictions and post from your vendor's account. Only a coward hides behind a mask to express their true feelings instead of taking a stance to passionately fight for your rights and beliefs. SR is a business. It has an owner/s, Administration staff who are in charge and Mod's and Support Staff, who all contribute to keeping the site up and operational. The object of any business worldwide is to MAKE MONEY!! That's the objective of everybody who starts a business! After all is said and done, a business has to make a profit for it to remain afloat and there is no doubt the profitability of SR is continuing to grow immeasurably. DPR is certainly reaping the fruits of his labor and considering what he has managed to achieve thus far, it's hard to have anything but admiration for his efforts and skill.
I am well versed in Agorism and Libertarianism. On one hand Agorists/Libertarians tend to be quite against the flow of information being restricted. Thus, a person who runs an Agorist communication channel is not likely to be in favor of censoring the communications, other than in cases of spam for example. On the other hand, Agorists/Libertarians do think that the final call for censorship is the right of the property owners. It would not be in violation of Agorist principles for DPR to censor the information on the forum that he runs, it is his to do as he pleases with as he is the person who runs it. That said, he is unlikely to personally desire the posts on this forum to be censored, as he is an Agorist.
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Well it seems my post between WadOzo and Razorspyne got completely removed from the database it feels good to know my suspicious' were true and for me finally through..
Adios gang, this cat is out of this house of mating season has begiun and I cant be bother'd to speak my mind without censorship so instead of rampaging I'LL JUST LEAVE.
X)
nomad
kmfkewm, as you can see by nomad's post above, someone has been deleting posts, effectively censoring the speech of some people on the Forum. Some of it has been warranted where racist comments have been made, jokes told on the topic of RAPE and the abuse of other members. As you have just posted , Agorists/Libertarians do think that the final call for censorship is the right of the property owners. As DPR is the property owner in this case, he sets the rules by which the Mod's must follow and enforce across the entire community. the member , Roky, wanted Moderator, SSBD removed as he was deleting his posts on numerous threads. What Roky can't get through his head is this. DPR has asked SSBD to moderate the Forums a certain way. SSBD has a job to do and DPR has asked him to do it a certain way. SSBD has removed these posts by Roky because they were not of a nature conducive to some spirited debate, but full of anger, hatred and resentment aimed at anyone who may be relatively new to the site.
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I am well versed in Agorism and Libertarianism. On one hand Agorists/Libertarians tend to be quite against the flow of information being restricted. Thus, a person who runs an Agorist communication channel is not likely to be in favor of censoring the communications, other than in cases of spam for example. On the other hand, Agorists/Libertarians do think that the final call for censorship is the right of the property owners. It would not be in violation of Agorist principles for DPR to censor the information on the forum that he runs, it is his to do as he pleases with as he is the person who runs it. That said, he is unlikely to personally desire the posts on this forum to be censored, as he is an Agorist.
I may not be your biggest fan kmf (and you know why) but I’m certainly not unappreciative for your contributions in the security section and I can say that you are wasting your time with this idiot as he is merely copy-pasting stuff to spam ↑ the forums, and now is obviously doing the same here and claiming it is own words on the subject. If you followed this guy’s posts, the ones that weren’t locked for his trolling, you will find he is pretending to be a veteran top vendor, but no one has heard of him and he has heard of no one here. You are ≥ valuable on other threads and I’d advise you to not even waste your intellect and time here with him, as you and Roky are not even on the same wavelength or planet even, and he will just waste your time. He has no friends here as his K will indicate, and unlike us will not last here.
I don’t know who the phuc you are kmf but I know enough to know he doesn’t deserve your time. It is possible to see from his time sig.s that he has no life, as he spends literally all his time here. I don’t know any “top vendor” that has this much free time, safe to say that myth is busted. He says nothing but trash with all his posts and has a cry whenerver someone points it out, at which stage he goes through the poster’s entire history starting from their very first post. Safe to say…. no life…. Thought you should know as your posts on sec. and phil. threads well thought out and it would be a pity to see you waste time over this moron who has merely copy-pasted something lol.
Not trolling. You need to know as it seemed from your post you were taking this idiot seriously. Not too sure why dick is still here, what I do know is…….
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……… is on first page of signing ↑ which means that admin [edit.] above as English [edit.] first language. Oh, further……
Think of it as a school, where most of the students are trying to learn, and there is that *one guy* who insists on cutting up and bullying others. It simply cannot be allowed.
This is not a platform to debate if you should post about other ethnic groups, or bash other members.
Well. I think that was pretty clear? Good. (See….? Some people have brains Roky….. Aw…. [Roky brain cell count: empty. {error. Page timed out.}])
Here's an observation that will no doubt earn me a a river of shit from ol mate Roky Erickson... but I am posting it without malicious intent and upon his very own principles of "freedom of speech and opinions".
Well none of that would be from me, in fact +K for having a spyne. I disagree that he has valid points though....... his posts are pathetic.
Now. As for samesame. Great response post to a rather crap post by a rather crap (and worthless) member of Silk Road and Silk Road forums. Hope you had fun today! (I got a tad pissed he he, but okay now thanks for asking). An once again Roky has twisted what people have said editing parts of it. Don’t worry, your meaning in posts is clear I think. But you’re dead wrong with him being clever with words btw. Lol, this guy hasn’t even graduated high school by the looks of things…… Um…..I think pine and cypher a litte more “clever” lol. And what about astor and NC in sec.? kfm sec. and phil. posts? Dude, you’re killing me here. I literally PLOTZED with that comment and thought Oz Day strted early. Ahh. TY for some good memories…. Raz loves a good chuckle so thank you. (Also…… things are not always as they seem until you talk to the person in question.)
Lol, this is a very depressing thread like any thread Roky is on, so feel free to check the others….ta ta. :)
Piece out. Drive safefly. Eat plenty. (Yaay) :)
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Roky Erickson,
Do you even know what you are talking about? There are no free speech issues at stake here.
Free speech applies when governments try to regulate the speech of individuals. If you come into my house, you don't have a right to free speech. I can regulate your speech by kicking your out of my house if I don't like what you are saying.
The same applies here. There is no governmental entity, but there are community standards, enforced by excluding those that refuse to take part in the covenant that we have here.
I noticed a couple of weeks ago what happened to one covenant violator. He was offering assassination services, and was censored. Another was offering services relating to theft/fraud, and was censored. Essentially they were people that refused to follow the covenant established here, and they were excluded. That aligns perfectly with libertarian/voluntarist principles.
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It's funny how you mention newbies and DPR's ideals like you know them, seeing as how you have 70 posts ::)
It's funny how you think post count relates to knowlage of SR. Ive been using SR and lurking the forum for more than a year and only posted 5 times until that stupid "newbies must have 50 posts to be able to post on the main forum" rule came in. In fact, I signed up months before you if you want to get like that. Not that it fucking matters.
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Awww..... Roky is quiet suddenly ::).... :P Sucks to be him lol. :'( :D Guy was begging for it to happen and look what happened..... Um. Want to say a big TY to 'Chi Guevara' for efforts on forum today. This is the shit, it really is..... And this is why Chi Guevara will always have friends on SR. Piece out.
I'm just looking at nanpa2001 post and all the others above, and thinking this thread really did backfire a little for Roky. Epic. No one here think that mods censor things. Everyone, or most, is on board on this issue. I'm glad that people can differentiate the difference between stand-over modding and responding to a threat caused by a parasite. No mod has ever censored someone that I can recall. In fact, if you look at the stuff here, with the allowed swearing and so forth, I think it's pretty damn generous what we can say here. If some mod censors someone, you can bet they stuffed up pretty badly (lol, the member not the mod ::) ). I mean, if you find SR forums too tough when it comes to censorship, shit, you must have problems buddy. There IS no censorship. We are given a huge leash. Some trolls are can just never fit in no matter where they go. Oh well. Piss off Roky. :D
If someone thinks a mod has gone too far, or, I'll make it even easier..... has even censored in the first place, raise you hand......? seriously, who has even been censored? b/c it takes a fair bit.
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
***shyly [edit.] in [edit.] might be [edit.] ***
Pmsl, I plotzed.... :D plotzed...... ::)
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You mean the guys that enable you to anonymously order the purest, widest selection of drugs to your door have been deleting your posts?
Omg are you fucking kidding me? Thats a travesty! I cant think what morally unscrupulous persons would do that and infact im going to go and anonymously order my selection of the widest, purest drugs in the world from somewhere else.
Oh wait... I remember... THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE! (Unless you want to risk it with the paedos and murderers at bmr ofcourse)
Moral of the story your buying drugs from some pretty extreme sources from around the world. If a couple of, (im sure insightful) posts are deleted maybe its not worth crying about?
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Lately this place has been awash with members registered a month or two ago and who think it is their right to dictate how the forums should be run.
Awash? Give me a fucking break. Awash? - where are all of these posts with all of these demands by newbies? LMFAO. Take a pill dude, sounds like you need something to calm your nerves
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Awash? Give me a fucking break. Awash? - where are all of these posts with all of these demands by newbies? LMFAO. Take a pill dude, sounds like you need something to calm your nerves
Really? Well this thread has over 60 replies in it and the majority are from members who have not been here 3 months but seem quite happy to tell people how the forum should be run (jokes about rape? oh my gosh!), so there's a good start for you.
Anyway as said earlier I'm over it, if you want to discuss the subject of censorship by all means go ahead, just don't include me in the convo because I won't be back until I need to post something that is not safe to post from my vendor account (see my very first post). Perhaps I was subconsciously testing the waters with this thread, but I was definitely wasn't expecting my anti-censorship mantra to be quashed so convincingly on forums created for the facilitation of drug sales. I'm not sure if I was naive but I'm certainly not walking away with my tail between my legs.
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Bump
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On the other hand, Agorists/Libertarians do think that the final call for censorship is the right of the property owners. It would not be in violation of Agorist principles for DPR to censor the information on the forum that he runs, it is his to do as he pleases with as he is the person who runs it.
That was my point.
The fact that there is universal agreement that the spam threads should be deleted demonstrates that there really are no free speech absolutists. Thus there is no qualitative difference between us on this matter, only a quantitative difference. As I said originally, it's a matter of degree and nuance, applying that censorship in specific ways that promote a healthy community rather than destroying it.
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Anyway as said earlier I'm over it, if you want to discuss the subject of censorship by all means go ahead, just don't include me in the convo because I won't be back until I need to post something that is not safe to post from my vendor account (see my very first post). Perhaps I was subconsciously testing the waters with this thread, but I was definitely wasn't expecting my anti-censorship mantra to be quashed so convincingly on forums created for the facilitation of drug sales. I'm not sure if I was naive but I'm certainly not walking away with my tail between my legs.
*Raz peeks his head in and can't believe some suckers fell for it. Oooooops ::) *
Lol, does anyone get the impression this guy needs to see a psychiatrist? "Mantra"? That's a big word for a dick like you Roky..... perhaps you should run back to the playground. Top vendor my ass lol ::) This guy couldn't even count to 21 without unzipping his fly.... ::) Douuuuuche ::) Lol, does anyone have any Agent VX or spare ricin left over Raz could borrow? lol-lah... ah-hem..
[Edit. Uh-ooohh..... oh dear..... Raz's hand accidentally on purpose pressed the -K button on Roky.... :-\ ] ...... you're welcome jack-ass..... :D
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Nah notice the title of the thread...(SRNEWBIES).
He's trying to get the attention of the new kids to control the way they think because the older members know that this is in no way the forum has been ran.
He's using censorship to censor and control the way members think.
JMO. :)
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Nah notice the title of the thread...(SRNEWBIES).
He's trying to get the attention of the new kids to control the way they think because the older members know that this is in no way the forum has been ran.
He's using censorship to censor and control the way members think.
JMO. :)
I don't want to post after Scampony b/c it will look like I'm following her around lol.... this is just a coincidence, lol, every time I go to post you're there lol. ???
I think that the fact he has found it too tough to stick it out is telling. When he first showed up he wasn't very popular with anyone due to his carrying on, so he tried to gain support of newbies b/c he couldn't cut it and failed in that respect..... god, is there anything this guy CAN achieve? Poor guy. :( And I notice he has tacked on <6months to look down his nose at anyone with an acc./ that;s not as old as Lim's or nomad's. But I wouldn't say he's "clever with word" or clever in ANY capacity. My god, you kidding? The only "intelligent" things he posted was where he copy-pasted someone else's quotes and passed them off as his own, which is pretty much equivalent to a child tracing a Mona Lisa and saying "Look mommy!" Lol.. ::)
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
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Bump
Even roky backed removal of this pointless post....deserves a -post.
DO NOT bump a thread unless you have something to say, simply posting bump makes you look like a complete moron what possibly could you be trying to convey?
Nothing or you would have simply conveyed your point.
I understand jedi genocide now.
X)
nomad
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Re: A message to SR forum newbies (< 6months)
« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2013, 07:08 am »
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Here's an observation that will no doubt earn me a a river of shit from ol mate Roky Erickson... but I am posting it without malicious intent and upon his very own principles of "freedom of speech and opinions".
Roky, you remind me of one of those dudes that rocks up to a nightclub but is too drunk (and angry) to get in... so you stand there abusing the bouncers, slinging shit at every one else that is walking in (or past) and generally stand around for way too long until you start to piss people off.
I am not going to argue whether are exercising a god given right to stand out the front of the nightclub and bang on about the injustice being served on you, but how long do you reckon you can do that for before the bouncers or the cops or the rest of the crowd who ARE having a good time, politely ask you to politely move on... because NO-ONE else in the vicinity really wants to hear your opinion.
So after reading a bunch of your (mostly) inflammatory posts, imo this is what is happening here ol mate... you have some strong opiniowhat you should be able to do and say on the forums, but quite simply, the vast majority of people clearly don't want to hear them. Your posts are generally angry in tone, hostile in content and delivery, and on the whole don't add a scrap of value to the threads you post them in. You generally come across as someone who is just itching for an argument mate.
So think of the mods as the bouncers, and all those -karma points you are getting as the 'other people in line' that ARE getting into the nightclub...they have all had a gut full so maybe call it a night mate. If you don't like the 'bouncers' decision, and you don't like the 'crowd', and you don't have any intention on changing your tune, then maybe just move on.
Perhaps go find a rowdy, stinking, shit hole-in-the-wall club that stinks like vomit and hate, and I am sure they will welcome you with open arms there... though you probably won't get heard above the other righteous defenders of freedom of speech who are all yelling at each other above the distorted tunes blaring from the two-dollar juke box
I don't think your opinions are invalid, I just think you are continually trying to drive them down the throats of people that aren't interested in them.
Good luck and happy travels Roky.
Sekure that is a wonderfully appropriate metaphor 8)... I wish I was a succinct and eloquent :P I have read a number of your posts and respect your (usually) very fair and balanced opinions, which you compose without the least bit of sarcasm or insults 8) 8)
I t hink you spoke for most of 'us' thanx again and +1 to you amigo
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Nice words motek... I appreciate it mate, thank you. I have been a bit quiet on here past couple of weeks, "life' was gettin busy. I do check in regularly though and always enjoy the updates from the 'locals'... and that be yourself included ;D
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I have been a bit quiet on here past couple of weeks, "life' was gettin busy.
Lol, you been quiet on here for the past 3 months.... ::)
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.