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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: AgentLee on January 20, 2013, 03:31 pm
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Today more news of a Central American country calling for an end to the drug war.
What do we think of the likelihood of this happening?
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fuck the war on drugs. it makes no sense at all. thousands of people are killed alone by impure street cut drugs, let alone the fucking cartels.
my answer to your question, in the US, I don't think I'll see the end of the war on drugs in my lifetime. maybe weed, but nothing more.
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Today more news of a Central American country calling for an end to the drug war.
What do we think of the likelihood of this happening?
Only way this will happen is complete legalization which non of the current super powers will have the balls to do.
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If anyone missed it, Jarecki's 'The House I Live In' has been released. It's so-so as far as documentaries go - ponderous but a reasonable polemic.
It argues that the drug war is a class war, based on US incarceration stats.
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It is unlikely I admit, but I suspect that international announcements from countries destabilising due to narco money will have a lot more influence than user driven campaigns, for example.
I do know the absurdity of hoping for reason in politics. It's as if I'm...on drugs...
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I do not think a complete relaxing of drug laws will happen anytime soon. In the United States, the CIA has their hands balls deep into the drug trade so the US will take a very long time to comply with a loosening of the current drug laws.
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We all know that, as happened in the UK recently, scientific evidence is dismissed when inconvenient. Check this WHO report on cocaine, for ex -
http://transform-drugs.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/report-they-didnt-want-you-to-see.html
I just hope that pressure from Mexico, Bolivia and all the transit countries applies sufficient pressure to alter the law.
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It's not even a discussion point in Australia yet. Hopefully we will follow the US (as always....)
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It's war which is not lucky for governments due to drug dealers are always one step ahead.
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sigh, it will never end
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The drug war needs to end but it's unlikely it ever will as too many people make too much money from it.
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It seems we are stepping in the right direction.
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I really hope it does but I am hesitant to say it will end anytime soon.
The majority of the arguments being used by Cannabis advocates can be applied to multiple other substances. These advocates, however, do not wish to be lumped in with other substances. When they say the war on drugs is a failure, they mean stop prosecuting pot smokers.
I believe it was a post by DPR, in which he argued that if drugs were legal, it would be another aspect of our lives the government would be in control of. I think I agree. Is life really so bad now, especially with things like SR?
It would be nice if governments focused on education and health services rather than the drugs like in Portugal.
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Never ending
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America would never admit it was ever wrong in any actions it ever took. and since the war on drugs is a huge mistake i don't see how the US could outright end it entirely. i think the US would say it has won the war on drugs and will be reducing it's stronghold/presence around the globe, before they admit the trillions of wasted dollars. but, no, i don't think it will be ending anytime soon.
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The US war on drugs will not go away for a very long time... It's too simple of a message... if we stop this the world will be perfect... never mind logic (Considering weed is less deadly and damaging then nicotine, booze and even gambling... all LEGAL in US).
Though a trend is starting to emerge where weed may be removed from the war, though I suspect it will be another 10 years before it is official via Feds and majority of states. It has started though with Wash and Col.
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i have been smoking weed for 40 years i would like to see weed be legal everywhere in the united states before i die. would be very happy with that.
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One thing that is often absent from discussions like these (and IMO plays a HUGE part in various governments' decision NOT to legalize) is HOW do we legalize in a way that keeps the money out of the hands of the cartels and bad guys that kill and maim and destroy?
That's been an issue in California with cannabis - cartel influence hasn't been kept separate from the loosely enforced medical marijuana industry. This is partly why we've seen federal raids in California whereas we haven't (to my knowledge) seen any in Colorado or Washington, which have gone to great lengths to ensure that the new marijuana industry is quarantined from any cartel influence.
We want to legalize and help society, not simply rebrand black markets with all their negative externalities as "legal."
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America would never admit it was ever wrong in any actions it ever took. and since the war on drugs is a huge mistake i don't see how the US could outright end it entirely. i think the US would say it has won the war on drugs and will be reducing it's stronghold/presence around the globe, before they admit the trillions of wasted dollars. but, no, i don't think it will be ending anytime soon.
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We all know that, as happened in the UK recently, scientific evidence is dismissed when inconvenient. Check this WHO report on cocaine, for ex -
http://transform-drugs.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/report-they-didnt-want-you-to-see.html
I just hope that pressure from Mexico, Bolivia and all the transit countries applies sufficient pressure to alter the law.
love the blog ... now ... am i a 'low dosage user' or a "high dosage user"?!
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yeah definetly!
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I really hope it does but I am hesitant to say it will end anytime soon.
The majority of the arguments being used by Cannabis advocates can be applied to multiple other substances. These advocates, however, do not wish to be lumped in with other substances. When they say the war on drugs is a failure, they mean stop prosecuting pot smokers.
I believe it was a post by DPR, in which he argued that if drugs were legal, it would be another aspect of our lives the government would be in control of. I think I agree. Is life really so bad now, especially with things like SR?
It would be nice if governments focused on education and health services rather than the drugs like in Portugal.
I agree with you, and also with Mischke.
The war on drugs is about control. Governance is about control. All that has happened in Portugal is the control has shifted, from people who use drugs being controlled through the criminal justice system to people being controlled through the health system. So now, in Portugal is you are caught with drugs repeatedly you are forced to go into 'treatment'. Drug use is still considered 'abnormal'; something to be fixed.
Yes, we need regulated markets, not just black market 'legalisation'. But then i also think its problematic that now all these neo-liberal economists are speaking out in favour of the legalisation of drugs, saying that there is money to be made, and hey were in a GFC and we need money.
Drugs, as with everything in society, will always be 'controlled'. All we can do is find ways to make the effects of that control less and less. It is naieve to think that there awaits some magic pot of gold at the end of the decriminalisation rainbow (such as portugal). But indeed, it is a start.
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The US won't ever relax their laws and neither will any country that follows them.
The USA started the war on drugs because its profitable for them -- or it used to be.
So many people now understand that with responsible use some of these drugs can not only be fun but therapeutic for you -- can;t prosecute everyone.
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I think the war is already over.
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keeping drugs illegal means money will still exist, loose the drug value and the economy will get fucked up
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We are all soldiers in this war.
Many will die before they are liberated .
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it's a ware just like any other i suppose :(
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fucjking hope so
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I do not think a complete relaxing of drug laws will happen anytime soon. In the United States, the CIA has their hands balls deep into the drug trade so the US will take a very long time to comply with a loosening of the current drug laws.
I'd like to know more about the CIA's involvement in drug trafficking. Most of the thing's I've read only accuse the CIA of distributing drugs. I suppose there's a reason that there's not a lot of information about that.
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While politicians & policy makers clearly didn't learn anything from alcohol prohibition in the 20s, it did eventually end.
So yes, drug prohibition too will eventually end. But it won't happen quickly. Or soon.
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Legalize EVERYTHING
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I don't think the war will ever end. I think they won't legalize everything for the same reason that they won't fully legalize weed and that my friends is taxes. They know if they legalize drugs that people will have so many ways to get the drugs then that the government won't be able to make nearly a small percentage of what they'd want to make on taxing it. It always comes down to the taxes. We're taxed on literally everything, even water the element that is essential to being alive. Take a good look and anything that they couldn't easily tax the shit out of people for are all illegal. For example there was a scientist who created a car that ran solely on steam that water created in the engine. What did the government do? They bought the patent for it and made it illegal because they knew they couldn't get nearly as much in taxes for water as they could with gas and oil.
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its not up to the Central American country, its up to the USA...itl never end
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I don't think the war will ever end. I think they won't legalize everything for the same reason that they won't fully legalize weed and that my friends is taxes. They know if they legalize drugs that people will have so many ways to get the drugs then that the government won't be able to make nearly a small percentage of what they'd want to make on taxing it. It always comes down to the taxes. We're taxed on literally everything, even water the element that is essential to being alive. Take a good look and anything that they couldn't easily tax the shit out of people for are all illegal. For example there was a scientist who created a car that ran solely on steam that water created in the engine. What did the government do? They bought the patent for it and made it illegal because they knew they couldn't get nearly as much in taxes for water as they could with gas and oil.
I disagree. It's far easier to collect taxes on something that's legal and regulated than something that sells only on the black market because of its illegality. Just look at cigarettes. You don't see anyone growing hydroponic tobacco in their basements do you? Also, that story about the "steam powered car" is apocryphal.
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Fucking prohibitionists! Legalization, regulation, and harm reduction is the only way to go!!
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I seriously doubt any existing form of government will ever suddenly gain an enlightened policy toward recreational drugs.
Yes, they should comprehend that responsible recreational drug use is a reality, and that prohibition is counter-intuitive, and not really the responsibility of any large-scale State to regulate, regardless of the individual's responsibility in his or her recreational use, but no existing national government is going to suddenly gain enlightenment.
This won't ever happen in our lifetime. The government is merely a tool of control and oppression by the elite. The elite are not enlightened, therefore the government which serves them (not you) is also unenlightened.
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Never should have started in the first place...declaring war on Drugs which is an inanimate object is ridiclous!!!
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i came here to shitpost
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they will only be legalized if they pigs can make some money off it in a controlled way....since drugs can never be controlled the war will never end :/
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I hope so. RON PAUL!!!
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Fucking prohibitionists! Legalization, regulation, and harm reduction is the only way to go!!
The only possible way drugs will be legalized is if they tax them heavily.
The government wants money. Offer them tax revenue, and we have a very small chance of talking them into legalizing it.
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If anyone missed it, Jarecki's 'The House I Live In' has been released. It's so-so as far as documentaries go - ponderous but a reasonable polemic.
It argues that the drug war is a class war, based on US incarceration stats.
I am unsurprised.
Although I would argue that it's less of a class war as it is a cultural war.
The elites of the industrialized nations will use any means to crush opposing cultures of which they personally disapprove.
The only method by which you can defeat them is by outwitting them.
Be smarter, faster, and more cunning.
Cunning and wit is the path to victory.
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Drug war, what a scam that is. Governments selectively criminalize certain substances thereby creating more revenue for their LE and prison system. They also create their own black markets too. If shit were legal alot of people in the le industry would be unemployed. Free countries? yeah right, thats why they can tell you what to put in your own body, and if they catch you disobeying them they punish you? Thats not freedom, thats control. Thats what its all about these days. There is no drug war really, its a facade designed to deceive the general public that think that government is always good and never bad. Those are the sheep. Time to wake up.
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The "war on drugs' cow has been fattened and is soon to be slaughtered. As for the new cow. Its status has not yet been decided. Whether it will be decriminalizing, legalization or a hybrid solution will be decided on who wins the fight amongst us billionaires.
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that's my opinion crap after all
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The War on Drugs won't end until the socialist billionaires and corporate welfare billionaires decide to end it.
I swear, if I was a multi-billionaire, things would be different. I would ensure it.
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while i don't see it ever coming to a complete stop... i do see it slowly calming down.
there are studies that are getting the publics attention now and the obvious state level marijuana legalizations as well as medical uproar in the last 10 years.
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Sadly yes, it is drawing to a close in the within the next 25 years in the west.
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Yes it's over.
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They may be waging their war against drugs, but we're not. Really, if you think about it, this so called war has already been won. Can't we get nearly any drug we want? How easy is it to get shit? See, we win, they lose. We just have to be careful because they are sore losers and they still try to make trouble. They may try to stop shit from coming in, but its like they're standing on the beach trying to stop the tide from coming in, ain't happening. Just another ha, ha on le
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the war will end when we want it to end.
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(clearnet warning) http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/bill-unveiled-to-legalize-medical-pot-88031.html
Who knows? Why are they allowing the herb to be quasi-legalized, legitimized in the public.. the Establishment/Elites now feigning defeat, that they were wrong? What about Big Pharma, etc? Cui bono?
Is it because of insurance costs, drug costs for painkillers? Was just reading someplace about this.. anyway, now my head hurts!
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All they're doing is letting us market it for them.
The vast majority of big deals are done by those that have always done big deals.
Would YOU give up a global monopoly if you had one?
think about guns, drugs, humans as traffic.
there you have it - the power pyramid or whatever u wanna call it.
The war will never end until we hang the last royals by the intestines of the last lawyers.
and then we'll be back to square 1...
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It's sadly and very disappointing to even have a "War on drugs". It fixes and individualizes a single person and attempts to prevent them from experiencing it. It is BECAUSE of "The War on Drugs" the fucking crimes of selling cut drugs on the street happen and how these people get hooked on other drugs without knowing how fucked they are. I would LOVE to see America actually gain back it's reputation as a true free country. It is within OUR FREEDOMS that WE THE PEOPLE choose OUR OWN DESTINY.
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As a couple people have already stated; I think Weed will be legal in the next decade but the rest of it will take much longer.
America isn't number 1 at much anymore except incarcerations ::shrug::
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Long as that feeling of greed is still in peoples hearts and the demand it will never end.. It's a endless war that will never be won or lost.
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If anyone missed it, Jarecki's 'The House I Live In' has been released. It's so-so as far as documentaries go - ponderous but a reasonable polemic.
It argues that the drug war is a class war, based on US incarceration stats.
I had no idea the incarceration rate was so high in the US before I watched it. I mean I knew it was high, but not THAT high. The US has the highest per capita jail rate and a quarter of the worlds prisoners. Absolutely ridiculous and such a waste!
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Well the past has continually shown that policy has failed to decrease the supply and distribution. Also it seems apparent that there is a global reshaping of social consensus on most recreational drugs.
It seems to me that the repression of non-pharmaceutical drugs is on a trajectory to end, or at least decrease significantly, but who knows what events may occur that could change this trajectory.
Really, I think the time must come soon where all the other problems we have created for ourselves as a species become so clearly paramount that our global society will have no choice but to take bake control of their own lives and redefine the principles of government; either that or undergo widespread social disintegration and numerous regional collapses.
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http://www.release.org.uk/publications/drug-decriminalisation-policies-in-practice-across-the-globe
If you wanted to get an idea of the drugs laws on possession / trafficking by country. I still don't like the idea of decriminalisation, I think it's a bad compromise, but really anything is better than what we have now.
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It's not even a discussion point in Australia yet. Hopefully we will follow the US (as always....)
Australia is always behind the rest of the world with things like this.
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It's not even a discussion point in Australia yet. Hopefully we will follow the US (as always....)
Australia is always behind the rest of the world with things like this.
Definitely cannot see it happening in Oz for a long time. The LE here at festivals is intense, it makes me so angry to see people being carted away with a "My life is over" look on their face when they get done. Still if you look at the stats for the number of festival-goers arrested for possession, it's a drop in the ocean You have got to pretty god damn unlucky to be picked up, Then when you get inside most peoples pupils are dilated to fuck. What a farce.
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Hopefully we can see an end to the drug war soon. Its cost thousands of lives, put millions of undeserving people in jail, and cost billions in tax money. When are politicians gonna wake the fuck up and she the damage they're causing.