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Discussion => Legal => Topic started by: Kiwikiikii on August 26, 2013, 12:19 am
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So they want to say that just cause u got drugs in the mail that u ordered them. Turn the tables on them and get them investigated for the crime of "someone sending u drugs". I dont see how they intend on winning this fight.
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Some russians already tried to do it with some security guy and it didn't work out well. If their mail isn't already screened, they will just deny it as an attack. Your efforts would probably be spent better doing something else.
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Now would Chuck Norris really do something like that?
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Some russians already tried to do it with some security guy and it didn't work out well. If their mail isn't already screened, they will just deny it as an attack. Your efforts would probably be spent better doing something else.
They did that to a very smart fellow, that's why it didn't work out.
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maybe this isn't the best idea, if they are super religious they may go on a vendetta. That could get messy.
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This will do nothing but enrage the politician and have him lobby towards tighter drug control in the mail system. No one will believe the polictian sent for a "loose ounce."
Before too long they will yank every drop box from the streets, and to enter the post office will be like a border checkpoint.
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This will do nothing but enrage the politician and have him lobby towards tighter drug control in the mail system. No one will believe the polictian sent for a "loose ounce."
Before too long they will yank every drop box from the streets, and to enter the post office will be like a border checkpoint.
that's why you don't send loose...
make it look completely real..
but pop a small hole or slit or two or twelve..
into the bags.
pewpew.
/thumbs
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Identify your target, find a way into their personal vehicle. Stash felony quantity of any powder inside. And
then tip off the police while they're driving. It's been done before ;)
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For those who aren't familiar with this tactic, be aware that having something that even appears to be a drug is illegal to carry if packaged like you're selling it. So bag some sugar/salt and by the time they figure out that it isn't a real drug, they'll know someone's fucking with them, and still got them in trouble because it appeared like a controlled substance that was packaged for sale.
Or, you could do this with a real drug, but why waste the product? If you're looking to freak them out, go with the fake stuff. If you really want them put away, then I can see justification for putting some heavy shit in their ride.
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Would be very productive being done to a crooked cop...
1. How do you find where he lives/parks his car? Aren't cops hard to trace?
2. How do you break into his car and leave the "drugs" without leaving finger prints or any obvious signs of a break in?
Tipping off LE is the easiest part, calling and making an anonymous tip off.
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You could pretend to be a hooker, then when the cop pulls over (either to send you on your way or to hire you), coax him out of the car (either with a seductive wink or a shriek of "you'll have to catch me first"), then have a small midget sneak in and do the deed.
It COULD work...
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So they want to say that just cause u got drugs in the mail that u ordered them. Turn the tables on them and get them investigated for the crime of "someone sending u drugs". I dont see how they intend on winning this fight.
I think I understand your point. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You see the potential risk from having illegal drugs sent to your home. You think that if a powerful politician got caught with drugs being shipped to his home -that would illuminate the problem for law enforcement. The problem is that anyone can ship drugs to anyone else in the mail.
I think that wouldn't work and here is why: Selective Enforcement
Clearnet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement
The police do not enforce the laws against people that can get away with breaking them. If you ever wonder why (a very popular and powerful politician) Ted Kennedy was never charged with Manslaughter (accidental death) or at least drunk driving for the Chappaquiddick incident -it's because the system only enforces the laws against people like you and me.
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Thanks to Bluto, I have another thought.
In order to have law enforcement, there must be separate laws to protect LEO than are used to protect citizens (i.e. assault on a person vs assault on a law enforcement officer are treated very differently), otherwise everyone's say is equal to everyone's. (A true democracy, if you will.)
In the scenario of a politician being found with drugs in their vehicle, you have a couple things going against you in terms of actually having criminal charges brought against them.
In the first, they are recognized as being targets for attacks, since that's what happens to anyone with a notable position in government or with significant popularity. That being said, it wouldn't be the most difficult thing to believe what they say when "I've been framed" comes out of their mouth. Of course this isn't where it ends, but it's certainly not as easy as planted the package on some nobody you've got beef with.
In the second, they have to have demonstrated a past criminal history or at least have some knock to their credibility when they claim framing, in order for any charge to really stick. If they are a stand-up model citizen in their community, it will be much more difficult for them to get picked up for it, especially if it's an amount that is deemed big enough for selling. (Remember, LE aren't idiots: they know how much is a buyer's stash and how much is a seller's moving inventory.) If a felony amount that's clearly for selling, wouldn't it make sense for them to have it if they were having financial issues, and they were unaccounted for at odd hours of the night? Or had unexplained sources of income?
If you really want to put someone away, you'd have to do a lot of research. If you're just looking to scare them or intimidate them, disregard what I've said and get down to business. :)
Would be very productive being done to a crooked cop...
1. How do you find where he lives/parks his car? Aren't cops hard to trace?
2. How do you break into his car and leave the "drugs" without leaving finger prints or any obvious signs of a break in?
Tipping off LE is the easiest part, calling and making an anonymous tip off.
1) Cops are not necessarily impossible to tail. They're probably trained to watch for people following them, especially to their home, but if you wanted to find where someone lives, all you need to do is rely on their daily/nightly routine to gather your intel. They are humans are too, with all their human flaws.
2) Gloves are the time-honored way of keeping prints from appearing. Nitrile or latex gloves are an option, baseball or driving gloves being a more nonchalant method.
As for access, this one's tricky but not impossible. Like I said, cops are humans too - so are politicians. Watch anyone for a day, and you'll see plenty of small windows opening to do bad things to their vehicle. I imagine politicians aren't as used to looking over their shoulder as law enforcement agents are, so they'll be even easier. It only takes a moment waiting in a parking garage, where the target has just left their vehicle to walk into their place of work, and you've already opened a door to their vehicle just before they lock it. People often take several steps away from their vehicle before locking it, and that's all it takes to get a door open.
Of course they'll notice when the car doesn't honk (if they usually hit the remote locker enough times to make their vehicle honk when locking), so your window is very small. But again, they're not expecting to have drugs planted on them. So they return to the vehicle, find a door left partially open, think it strange and do a quick sweep for any changes and close it, going to work with a serious suspicion on their mind - which they never find out until it's too late if you are good at hiding things in cars quickly.
Just a few thoughts on the subject. Great questions. :)
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I don't know if you guys realize, but despite popular opinion and code of law, Politicians and Celebrities ARE above the law, for the most part. Yes there are some exceptions but very rich people and politicians can get out of almost anything.
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LOL Madagascar, I' tired and about to go to bed, wasn't gonna post more, but your depiction of politicians as easy targets to follow and victimize just got me thinking about the android game "Crime City" where you tap your target a few times while he keeps on his way with his head in the clouds, and you intimidate, coerce, or kick the shit out of them 6 more times while they non-chlanatly walk around the block like they're in a high security bunker that is void of any threat lol. Thanks for that I'm gonna have mroe fun with that game now.
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even better hack their WiFi and upload tons of CP to public porn sites from it
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Even better send them a malware infected .pdf and get them to open it, then after taking control of their PC download a bunch of CP then upload a bunch of it to public websites then clean any forensic trace of the virus :).
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LOL Madagascar, I' tired and about to go to bed, wasn't gonna post more, but your depiction of politicians as easy targets to follow and victimize just got me thinking about the android game "Crime City" where you tap your target a few times while he keeps on his way with his head in the clouds, and you intimidate, coerce, or kick the shit out of them 6 more times while they non-chlanatly walk around the block like they're in a high security bunker that is void of any threat lol. Thanks for that I'm gonna have mroe fun with that game now.
You're welcome. I'm not sure if I should assume sarcasm or not, so I'll assume I just made you smile that night. :)
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This would probably not work, ie he might receive the weed, usps delivers tons of stanky packages all the time
And then I bet hed get interveiwed for some anti SR, anti Drugs in mail article
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How would they know it was SR related? ;)
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Don't plant anything on the main guy you're trying to get nailed.
Plant stuff on their aides/close associates etc and get THEM tipped off. They won't be well connected enough to be warranted preventative measures/mail screening, but if three of your favorite politicians aides get caught with distribution quantities of a Schedule I narcotic attention is going to be called to the person who links them all, ie the main target. Busts like that will cast enough of a shadow on the person that even if it's total bullshit and there's nothing directly relating them to illicit activity, enough damage has been done to make sure his/her career is over.
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this whole thread is stupid
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It'd have to be more believable than that. You'd have to somehow get the politicians DNA, and plant it all over some drugs or a piece, and then leave some kind of evidence that someone would be able to look at and guess it was a politician, and then plant it in some random spot and hope some person turns it in or law enforcement runs across it.
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There has to be a certain amount of man hours spent by LE/internal affairs even when this happens to LEO's or Politicians.
So even if it just costs a few thousand dollars or a few hundread man hours looking into it each and every time a LEO or politician had a loose package mailed to them then it would still be worth it. The smallest amount of drugs would trigger an investigation and no matter how small or how little press attention it gets, it is a small cost and would fuck LE a lot more than it would cost.
i.e. cost-benefit analysis says it pays off IMO.
This would make the DEA and LE and people in govt look bad too.
tl,dr It will cost LE time and money to look into these cases and if this loose package operation is done on a large enough scale it has a few different ways to benefit, while at the same time time costing very little.
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You could pretend to be a hooker, then when the cop pulls over (either to send you on your way or to hire you), coax him out of the car (either with a seductive wink or a shriek of "you'll have to catch me first"), then have a small midget sneak in and do the deed.
It COULD work...
This is a brilliant idea, I'm not sure I can be seductive enough.... only one way to find out ;)
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Hahaha let's say, in an effort to incriminate a powerful politician or public figure, a random individual is motivated to ship something illegal to said powerful individual's mailbox or plant something in their car and then anonymously tip the authorities off. Whose doorstep do you think the coppers are more likely to darken:
a) the powerful individual's
b) the anonymous tipster's
Call me a cynic, but my money's on b. If someone's worth taking out, they're also likely to be able to martial an insane amount of resources to counter a perceived threat. Mess with the bull...
This war will be won by slow, incremental attrition that sways public opinion over time - not a few stunning strikes that decapitate the enemy.
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Hahaha let's say, in an effort to incriminate a powerful politician or public figure, a random individual is motivated to ship something illegal to said powerful individual's mailbox or plant something in their car and then anonymously tip the authorities off. Whose doorstep do you think the coppers are more likely to darken:
a) the powerful individual's
b) the anonymous tipster's
Call me a cynic, but my money's on b. If someone's worth taking out, they're also likely to be able to martial an insane amount of resources to counter a perceived threat. Shit we wouldn't have even thought about pre-Snowden. Mess with the bull...
This war will be won by slow, incremental attrition that sways public opinion over time - not a few stunning strikes that decapitate the enemy.
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they have to have demonstrated a past criminal history or at least have some knock to their credibility when they claim framing, in order for any charge to really stick. If they are a stand-up model citizen in their community, it will be much more difficult for them to get picked up for it
CLEARNET
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_substance_abuse_controversy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022260708
CLEARNET
I don't know if you guys realize, but despite popular opinion and code of law, Politicians and Celebrities ARE above the law.
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