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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: j1m1th1ng on April 10, 2013, 10:18 am
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So I am an MDPV vendor (and some other goods). I have had the best MDPV on the road since I started vending here and I've always set it at the lowest price. Thats what I try to do when I enter an area of the market at is hard to loose with that combo. I get this message from the current kings of MDPV on SR today.
http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/qicpic/files/j6.png <-screenshot
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Lets establish price points for MDPV so we dont drive down costs
NO PRICE WARS!
with out SR commissions adjust prices no lower than the prices below
(NO LOWER HIGHER IS YOUR CHOICE)
10g mdpv $235.00
5g mdpv $131.50
3g mdpv $80.00
2g mdpv $54.00
1g mdpv $27.50
.500 mdpv $14.00
.250 mdpv $7.50
what do you think? I will let you know what others mdpc vendors on the site think
This thread is my response to them. No. I will continue to undercut your crappy quality MDPV with my high quality stuff, I will also continue to ship faster and work harder. I will treat my customers better, actually respond to their pm, even if not as quickly as I might like to at times... because that's how you win in a free market. I know your bleeding customers to me. But get better quality product and get it into peoples hands faster then three weeks, that will win back your customers faster then some crap like this. Price wars are good for the free market. I'll keep selling my MDPV at a cost where I am happy with the return. There is a reason your (89) and I'm (99). Just thought this would be the best way to respond to them.
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Price collusion is illegal!
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So I am an MDPV vendor (and some other goods). I have had the best MDPV on the road since I started vending here and I've always set it at the lowest price. Thats what I try to do when I enter an area of the market at is hard to loose with that combo. I get this message from the current kings of MDPV on SR today.
http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/qicpic/files/j6.png <-screenshot
Message
Lets establish price points for MDPV so we dont drive down costs
NO PRICE WARS!
with out SR commissions adjust prices no lower than the prices below
(NO LOWER HIGHER IS YOUR CHOICE)
10g mdpv $235.00
5g mdpv $131.50
3g mdpv $80.00
2g mdpv $54.00
1g mdpv $27.50
.500 mdpv $14.00
.250 mdpv $7.50
what do you think? I will let you know what others mdpc vendors on the site think
This thread is my response to them. No. I will continue to undercut your crappy quality MDPV with my high quality stuff, I will also continue to ship faster and work harder. I will treat my customers better, actually respond to their pm, even if not as quickly as I might like to at times... because that's how you win in a free market. I know your bleeding customers to me. But get better quality product and get it into peoples hands faster then three weeks, that will win back your customers faster then some crap like this. Price wars are good for the free market. I'll keep selling my MDPV at a cost where I am happy with the return. There is a reason your (89) and I'm (99). Just thought this would be the best way to respond to them.
-Thanks-
Dread Pirate Roberts has already addressed the issue of vendor collusion in fixing prices. As Silk Road is a free market, such arrangements are permitted here as long as the members participating do not violate any Silk Road rules.
You can read DPR's post on it here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=135769.msg922288#msg922288
I've been informed that some vendors are attempting to form a cartel. In such an arrangement, they would agree on what price to charge so they can charge more than they would be able to if they were competing with each other. Another vendor has re-posted their plans in order to warn the community at large of the plan. There are two things I'd like to say about this:
1) Up until now, it has been our policy to delete any reposts from the vendor roundtable in order to preserve the privacy of that forum. Because it is nearly impossible to prevent the reposter from creating new accounts and reposting over and over, we will no longer attempt to control this behavior. This will just be a limitation of the vendor roundtable and vendors should act accordingly.
2) Cartels are nearly impossible to maintain without the use of violence, especially in an environment as competitive as Silk Road. There is also nothing morally wrong with them. If a cartel were to form, I would not attempt to break it up unless its members were breaking other rules. If you want an explanation for why cartels are nearly impossible to maintain in a free market environment, please read "Man, Economy and State" chapter 10, part 2, section D.
- grahamgreene
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This wasn't from the round table. And just because its allowed doesn't mean its a good thing to support and I don't for sure. What is against the rule is saving customers mail records and leaving false feedback. On they admit to, and the second they threaten in their response to me.
wow you needed to do that? I received that same type of letter when I started selling so i thought sine I was the leader of this category I would see what you thought. I was wrong to do that I guess. I never though it was price fixing goosh you are a mean one. I remember selling some MDPV to you and if i remember correctly you had all sorts of problems. So your pissed and this is how you deal with things? well Im glad you are so fresh in my memory banks I hope you have a good time selling in this category. your ratings are impressive but my product is far superior to yours. Sorry I will remain king of this category because of that reason. I may have slipped up a few time as will you. i care deeply about my customer base that's why nobody has ever completely lost out. I always make it right. As for you my mean person who just don't think things through.
You will have buyers claim nothing came in and you'll get 1 out of 5 but the biggest mistake you'll ever make on silk road you already made, never never attack another person when theres anonymity only on one side. SR clearly state this in the rules do not buy anything with your sellers account. you'll then lose your anonymity. That's really risky. Agian sorry for the suggestion on setting prices i don't think my customers cared to much. my sales are through the roof. Good Luck and sorry about karma shes a bitch! you could have just said NO Thanks. Ill consider a retraction of your post as a sign of good faith and I will be a happy person again. please lets not escallate this any more that it has gone.
http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/qicpic/files/z9.png <-screenshot
Real class act these guys are. So apparently they save at least six months worth of ordering records. I used one of my reshippers when obtaining their product to send off to my lab to see what we were up against so they don't have anything on me.. but I am alarmed for the other customer records they apparently keep. If pricefixing is allowed then I don't see whats so wrong about telling people that its being attempted. I don't mind if people post things I say on the forums because I don't say shady things that I wouldn't want tied to me.
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This wasn't from the round table. And just because its allowed doesn't mean its a good thing to support and I don't for sure. What is against the rule is saving customers mail records and leaving false feedback. On they admit to, and the second they threaten in their response to me.
wow you needed to do that? I received that same type of letter when I started selling so i thought sine I was the leader of this category I would see what you thought. I was wrong to do that I guess. I never though it was price fixing goosh you are a mean one. I remember selling some MDPV to you and if i remember correctly you had all sorts of problems. So your pissed and this is how you deal with things? well Im glad you are so fresh in my memory banks I hope you have a good time selling in this category. your ratings are impressive but my product is far superior to yours. Sorry I will remain king of this category because of that reason. I may have slipped up a few time as will you. i care deeply about my customer base that's why nobody has ever completely lost out. I always make it right. As for you my mean person who just don't think things through.
You will have buyers claim nothing came in and you'll get 1 out of 5 but the biggest mistake you'll ever make on silk road you already made, never never attack another person when theres anonymity only on one side. SR clearly state this in the rules do not buy anything with your sellers account. you'll then lose your anonymity. That's really risky. Agian sorry for the suggestion on setting prices i don't think my customers cared to much. my sales are through the roof. Good Luck and sorry about karma shes a bitch! you could have just said NO Thanks. Ill consider a retraction of your post as a sign of good faith and I will be a happy person again. please lets not escallate this any more that it has gone.
http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/qicpic/files/z9.png <-screenshot
Real class act these guys are. So apparently they save at least six months worth of ordering records. I used one of my reshippers when obtaining their product to send off to my lab to see what we were up against so they don't have anything on me.. but I am alarmed for the other customer records they apparently keep.
It doesn't matter whether it was said in the Round Table or in a PM; it is allowed on Silk Road. I did not say it was a good thing to support, I simply said that it is not against the rules. I do commend you for standing up against it though; if I were ever to purchase MDPV, I would certainly give strong consideration to purchasing it from you as a result of your stance against price fixing.
If they have threatened to release your information / you have proof that they keep six months of ordering records, you should report that to SR Support along with any evidence you may have to support your claim.
If pricefixing is allowed then I don't see whats so wrong about telling people that its being attempted. I don't mind if people post things I say on the forums because I don't say shady things that I wouldn't want tied to me.
Nothing is wrong about you telling people that it is being attempted; many, including myself, will be very glad that you did. I was simply pointing out that the practice is allowed on Silk Road as there has been quite a few threads recently with sensationalist "price fixing" claims in order to discredit vendors. I should point out that I am not implying that that is what is happening here.
- grahamgreene
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LOL, reading a grahamgreene post is like listening to a Mitt Romney speech! (Yes, that's a negative thing although I'm sure you see it different)
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Fair enough. Its also nice to see the chembro's stopped in to comment with one of their accounts. Well my product gets better reviews then yours on a regular basis and however low you drop the price I beat you. I also vac seal and use heat foil. You still hanging tough with the 1 ziplock bag hidden oh so cleverly in a folded sheet of paper uber cloak stealth method? While you find sneaky was to get extra cents out of your customers, I treat mine how I would wish to be treated if I where the customer. I give them the lowest price for the best quality product on the market. Your product didn't get even one vote in a recent poll of best quality MDPV on the road. You hear the foot steps you sense the end is coming.
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LOL, reading a grahamgreene post is like listening to a Mitt Romney speech! (Yes, that's a negative thing although I'm sure you see it different)
Spacecase that is quite possibly one of the most insulting things anyone has ever said to me. :P
Mitt Romney is an ignoramus; I am not an ign-... Oh. Oh I see what you did there. I have to ask though: how are my posts like "Mitt-Romney-drivel"?! ;D
- grahamgreene
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LOL, reading a grahamgreene post is like listening to a Mitt Romney speech! (Yes, that's a negative thing although I'm sure you see it different)
Spacecase that is quite possibly one of the most insulting things anyone has ever said to me. :P
Mitt Romney is an ignoramus; I am not an ign-... Oh. Oh I see what you did there. I have to ask though: how are my posts like "Mitt-Romney-drivel"?! ;D
- grahamgreene
It's the way you use logic, it sometimes comes across in the same manner as right wing rhetoric, but, I was mainly just poking fun at you. No need to get offended. ;)
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LOL, reading a grahamgreene post is like listening to a Mitt Romney speech! (Yes, that's a negative thing although I'm sure you see it different)
Spacecase that is quite possibly one of the most insulting things anyone has ever said to me. :P
Mitt Romney is an ignoramus; I am not an ign-... Oh. Oh I see what you did there. I have to ask though: how are my posts like "Mitt-Romney-drivel"?! ;D
- grahamgreene
It's the way you use logic, it sometimes comes across in the same manner as right wing rhetoric, but, I was mainly just poking fun at you. No need to get offended. ;)
I guess you were just busting his balls?
I read it that you don't like what he said, but he is correct. That may might you the right winger;)
grahamgreene, I had to read your post a few times. You are correct.
According to DPR, because we are free to make choices the market will correct itself.
OP, right on!
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2500 for a key eh? I would sell you keys all day long son. Heck I'm a nice guy I'll give to you for 2k and still make a nice lick.
I would love the chembro's fan boy to let me know how my vac sealed, heat foil sealed, clever stealth could be putting people at risk for getting busted. Most people wish their hard core drug vendors who do ship stuff dogs hit on would package in the manner I seal my MDPV. Its really overkill for it.
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Okay if you say so. I'm sure you know better then me. I'm just the guy with the really good cheap MDPV.
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For what its worth any RC I offer comes from a lab. Directly. The free market wants what it wants. If no one wanted MDPV I wouldn't move any and I would have to go back to having a 9-5. Its one of list of things I offer. I have a 99 with over 300 transactions. I must be doing something right. Its cool you don't like it. But I can't see why your attacking me. Because I didn't take part in a sleezy thing like pricefixing? Because I work extra hard to keep my customers happy? Because I just try to treat my customers the way I would like to be treated?