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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: dbz4u on January 21, 2013, 07:25 am
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All hail our new overlord Tessellated! He has currently brought down the bitcointalks.com website, the infamous spammers. As soon as Tessellated posts his btc address please send all donations there. Until then, Please direct them to his username on the main site, using the transfer to username function.
Account>send funds to another member
EDIT: According to the wishes of the our star vendor tessellated, please direct donations to the avengers LSD fund. "Just donate to the Avengers, they are doing a great job keep real LSD around and FAKE away." - Tessellated
I however will still be donating personally to this vendor, and to anyone who appreciates what he has just done for this community, please either donate directly to tessellated or the avengers.
Thank you all
Edit 2: Because of my personal appreciation for the relief you have potentially granted this community, a gift of .1 btc is coming your way tessellated. Enjoy
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To quote what I said earlier:
If ya guys wants something like this ran 24/7 I would need a pre-paid credit card number to set up a remote server and I would need someone to help me with the phone-back verification. It would cost about $30 a month.
Since it is attacking through tor the server we are using is unlikely to ever get shut down.
Running it from my own tor connection, I can only run it for a little while as it is resource intensive.
I think I can get a remote server with bitcoins too. Money sent to: 1Fx73gWkLBS99YWmvbS6vYvfL7ykcbroSg will be used for the server costs needed to keep them offline.
If they are smart they can work around it, but I don't think they are smart.
This is the direct quote from Tess. If you doubt the validity of this bitcoin address, i encourage you to scroll down to Tess's post. I am not trying to profit from this man's good deeds
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dude's already getting mad e-head in his LSD review thread,
now his god status seems assured
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dude's already getting mad e-head in his LSD review thread,
now his god status seems assured
Agreed. I don't think killing the spammers website single handedly is anything to be taken lightly. I acknowledge him as the Drug deity that he his, and send my monetary appreciation on.
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To quote what I said earlier:
If ya guys wants something like this ran 24/7 I would need a pre-paid credit card number to set up a remote server and I would need someone to help me with the phone-back verification. It would cost about $30 a month.
Since it is attacking through tor the server we are using is unlikely to ever get shut down.
Running it from my own tor connection, I can only run it for a little while as it is resource intensive.
I think I can get a remote server with bitcoins too. Money sent to: 1Fx73gWkLBS99YWmvbS6vYvfL7ykcbroSg will be used for the server costs needed to keep them offline.
If they are smart they can work around it, but I don't think they are smart.
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To quote what I said earlier:
If ya guys wants something like this ran 24/7 I would need a pre-paid credit card number to set up a remote server and I would need someone to help me with the phone-back verification. It would cost about $30 a month.
Since it is attacking through tor the server we are using is unlikely to ever get shut down.
Running it from my own tor connection, I can only run it for a little while as it is resource intensive.
I think I can get a remote server with bitcoins too. Money sent to: 1Fx73gWkLBS99YWmvbS6vYvfL7ykcbroSg will be used for the server costs needed to keep them offline.
If they are smart they can work around it, but I don't think they are smart.
Can you message a mod to get this stickied across all the forums, ESPECIALLY the newbie forum? This will be a god send for both the community and your rep, not that i intended it as such. If you weren't an SR legend before, you're about to be
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The attack must be running continually or the site will come right back. I figure $30 a month would cover a dedicated attack server.
If you just want to say thanks send to the Avengers.
If you want to sponsor further disruption of the enemy then send the funds to me. I will put them to the proper use.
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The attack must be running continually or the site will come right back. I figure $30 a month would cover a dedicated attack server.
If you just want to say thanks send to the Avengers.
If you want to sponsor further disruption of the enemy then send the funds to me. I will put them to the proper use.
Thank you. I have messaged nomad, I am attempting to get this as a global sticky. You are seriously contributing to the community here, do not underestimate the importance of what you are doing for all of us Roaders. I for one am truly appreciative, I have been getting furious with this spam, i can't even imagine how annoyed the newbies are
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Ok but how can I be sure he did this and did so single handedly? I don't know if there's a way to prove that kind of thing besides bitcointalks.com's shit not being here but I'm interested in more info like how he did it or something. And don't even get on me about this cuz nobody would be here on SR if we didn't question things. No disrespect to anybody, especially not to tessellated as I know of your good rep from a background check on here when I almost bought from you.
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Hacking is so much fun, it is so nice to have a target that really deserves it.
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count me in for a sheckle! as long as this door nob is kept off the forum i will kick in.
nice work!
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Ok but how can I be sure he did this and did so single handedly? I don't know if there's a way to prove that kind of thing besides bitcointalks.com's shit not being here but I'm interested in more info like how he did it or something. And don't even get on me about this cuz nobody would be here on SR if we didn't question things. No disrespect to anybody, especially not to tessellated as I know of your good rep from a background check on here when I almost bought from you.
I can prove it is me by turning them back on for 10 minutes...
*Flick a switch* - They will be back online in a couple minutes.
I will take them back down in 10 minutes.
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And now they are back. I will shut them back down at :58 after the hour.
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And now they are back. I will shut them back down at :58 after the hour.
Too legit to quit 8)
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*Flick a switch* - Attack reinitiated, will be down in 2-3 minutes and stay down.
It won't stop them from spamming us, but it will defeat the point of the spam.
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And now they are back. I will shut them back down at :58 after the hour.
Wait. Tessellated. how do I see they are "on"?
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And now they are back. I will shut them back down at :58 after the hour.
Wait. Tessellated. how do I see they are "on"?
you just try to access the site through a normal web browser(not tor). I tested it, it was up when he said it would be. Like i said, too legit to quit :P
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And now they are back. I will shut them back down at :58 after the hour.
Wait. Tessellated. how do I see they are "on"?
Okay I have turned them on again. Go to: http://www.bitcointalks.com/
This is the scammers website.
Once you have confirmed it is up I can take it back down.
This should be proof enough it is me.
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ok. I'm already sick of looking at them. take those bastards down. lol. wow. its like youre playing god. youve done good work.
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ok. I'm already sick of looking at them. take those bastards down. lol. wow. its like youre playing god. youve done good work.
Firing all photon torpedos! Phasers to full! Fire at will!
and down it goes.
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ok. I'm already sick of looking at them. take those bastards down. lol. wow. its like youre playing god. youve done good work.
Firing all photon torpedos! Phasers to full! Fire at will!
and down it goes.
omg. i love you.
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ok. I'm already sick of looking at them. take those bastards down. lol. wow. its like youre playing god. youve done good work.
Firing all photon torpedos! Phasers to full! Fire at will!
and down it goes.
omg. i love you.
The whole community will when this is a global sticky. Especially the mods and newbies. If you are as appreciative as i am, donate to Tessallated's fund for setting up this server. This is the only way they will stay down. If they move to another web address, all he has to do is point it in the right direction. We are all behind you Tess, Continue the good work
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haha I have to admit it's pretty cool watching that site turn on and then back off..
I must have missed the big influx of spam that necessitated such a passionate reaction from some of the forum members here,
but it's still neato nonetheless Tess
8)
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Don't mess with the Tess or you will be DOS'd like the rest.
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haha I have to admit it's pretty cool watching that site turn on and then back off..
I must have missed the big influx of spam that necessitated such a passionate reaction from some of the forum members here,
but it's still neato nonetheless Tess
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Oh my god the spam wave has been here since i registered a few months ago. It's been getting progressively worse, so bad we established a newbie section just to limit the spam on the main board. Tess is providing a god damn service keeping these forums clean, and i am making damn sure he gets paid to do it
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these scammers kept sending us PMs, something like 20 posts = .5 BTC.
if i had to guess, i would say they just want to get you to post 20x for free, and ignore you after you send them all that info. if not, then we could just photoshop shit and collect $$$ from them.
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Happy days!! Thanks a million tessellated. The whole community owes you for this, you legend :)
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Thank you new members, i know you of all people can appreciate the value of what Tessellated is doing. If you are really appreciative please do 2 things.
1. PM the mods and ask that this thread be stickied. I consider this imperative, Tessellated is the only one to step up to the plate to defend our forums by taking the fight to them, and he should be acknowledged as such forum wide.
2. If you have the spare btc, please consider donating to him or the other wonderful vendors in the LSD avengers thread. These people are the true heroes of Silk Road(Tessellated of course included), and Tess himself has given his blessing to donating to that.
Make your voices heard members, show how grateful we can be as a community
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First of all, I think anybody who did this deserves a tip of my hat. And they get one, for that matter. But for the sake of argument, he doesn't have to be the person disrupting their site. The story fits perfectly if he actually runs the site, too. Just an observation.
Cracking isn't my thing, just software in general, but I'll say this (which should be taken with a grain of salt, because as I said, cracking is not my area of interest): I'm not really sure what attack you can be running via the Tor network that's disrupting their clearnet service, not stressing the network, and that can also be sustained over a period of time from a single server. I'm not saying one doesn't exist, but nothing comes to mind off hand, that's all. There's no need to flame me here, I'm just making observations based on my current knowledge, that's all -- I don't know everything, but what I've said is reasonable I feel. If it isn't, my apologies for my lack of expertise.
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First of all, I think anybody who did this deserves a tip of my hat. And they get one, for that matter. But for the sake of argument, he doesn't have to be the person disrupting their site. The story fits perfectly if he actually runs the site, too. Just an observation.
Cracking isn't my thing, just software in general, but I'll say this (which should be taken with a grain of salt, because as I said, cracking is not my area of interest): I'm not really sure what attack you can be running via the Tor network that's disrupting their clearnet service, not stressing the network, and that can also be sustained over a period of time from a single server. I'm not saying one doesn't exist, but nothing comes to mind off hand, that's all. There's no need to flame me here, I'm just making observations based on my current knowledge, that's all -- I don't know everything, but what I've said is reasonable I feel. If it isn't, my apologies for my lack of expertise.
He posted the method he is using in the DDOS thread i made. He is using slowloris.pl which is an attack designed for a single server/operator.
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Just for the sake of anybody who doesn't wade through the whole thread, DDoS is a Distributed Denial of Service (like a botnet paralyzing a website). One machine performing an attack is a classic DoS, not a distributed one. I'm not sure it even matters these days though, nobody seems to make a distinction lately. I'm amazed it's a Perl script though. That must be one ridiculously inept admin if Perl functions are crippling the entire machine all by themselves (which must be the case, if the clearnet site is effected)... I'll have to look at just what it actually does at some point, thanks for the info.
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Just for the sake of anybody who doesn't wade through the whole thread, DDoS is a Distributed Denial of Service (like a botnet paralyzing a website). One machine performing an attack is a classic DoS, not a distributed one. I'm not sure it even matters these days though, nobody seems to make a distinction lately. I'm amazed it's a Perl script though. That must be one ridiculously inept admin if Perl functions are crippling the entire machine all by themselves (which must be the case, if the clearnet site is effected)... I'll have to look at just what it actually does at some point, thanks for the info.
No problem. I contribute anyway I can, in this case being the inspiration for our attack on these fuckers. But the real hero here is this motherfucker Tessallated. He needs mad props and a new fucking title for this shit, something like Lord of the Interwebs
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Oh wow. This is actually working still? I'm as glad as the next guy to have them out of commission for the time being, but if he/they can't figure out how to prevent this within at most a couple of days, I'll be absolutely amazed...
For the record, it wouldn't be the first time I was amazed or anything. But I'll still be amazed.
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Oh wow. This is actually working still? I'm as glad as the next guy to have them out of commission for the time being, but if he/they can't figure out how to prevent this within at most a couple of days, I'll be absolutely amazed...
For the record, it wouldn't be the first time I was amazed or anything. But I'll still be amazed.
Seriously what a fucking pro. It doesn't matter if they "fix it" its a DOS. if they add extra protection, frankly the only thing we need is a bigger server farm to run the attack. Theoretically this will work forever
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just sent a couple coins :D ;D:D ;D:D ;D:D ;D:D ;D:D ;D:D ;D:D ;D
will make it a regular thing if you keep them down!!
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LOL; I'm sorry if I made you feel that my comment was directed toward anyone but the site admins. I wasn't trying to be aggressive or belittle you, dbz. But the people apparently know enough to design a website. If they have any idea how a web server is designed and configured in order to handle the demands of thousands of parallel requests, they can prevent this attack from crippling them. I won't point out how explicitly, and I've never tested my theory, but I believe it's as simple as two configuration options even if their server is of the multithreaded or multiprocess sort.
It's an opinion, not a fact, and I left plenty of room for an error in my judgment. I didn't realize expressing my opinion on the longevity of this specific attack was unreasonable, but you're welcome to take it however you please.
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just sent a couple coins :D ;D:D ;D:D ;D:D ;D:D ;D:D ;D:D ;D:D ;D
will make it a regular thing if you keep them down!!
That is the goal. We should target Virwex next. When the next wave of spam sites comes, we will be ready. Let Tessellated be a shining example of what an outstanding member looks like. All should aspire to be as productive as him
LOL; I'm sorry if I made you feel that my comment was directed toward anyone but the site admins. I wasn't trying to be aggressive or belittle you, dbz. But the people apparently know enough to design a website. If they have any idea how a web server is designed and configured in order to handle the demands of thousands of parallel requests, they can prevent this attack from crippling them. I won't point out how explicitly, and I've never tested my theory, but I believe it's as simple as two configuration options even if their server is of the multithreaded or multiprocess sort.
It's an opinion, not a fact, and I left plenty of room for an error in my judgment. I didn't realize expressing my opinion on the longevity of this specific attack was unreasonable, but you're welcome to take it however you please.
I took no offense, i completely understand where you are coming from, from a practicality point of view. My opinion is as much of a theory as yours, lets just hope mine is the right one ;)
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Ruh roh, they are back up, albeit very slowly. We NEED more of you. I know you are out there, i know you are willing to help. Point your lasers into the sky and show these fucks that when you fuck with a bunch of crazy drug addicts that can wield massive powers of the internet, that we are not to be fucking trifled with.
Edit: for anyone looking for epic music to rock out to this hilarious/awesome turn of events, please go here for the EDC live sets of 2012. Remember CLEARNET, don't access it with TOR
http://www.dropbeatsnotbombs.com/2012/06/download-live-sets-electric-daisy-carnival-las-vegas-2012/
I especially recommend the bassjackers, if you don't know who they are, fucking learn
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AND ITS DOWN AGAIN. Whoever you are, you are an unsung hero. Keep up the good work friends
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this is awesome, i think it may be the signle most effective way to tell them to 'Fuck off' :D
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this is awesome, i think it may be the signle most effective way to tell them to 'Fuck off' :D
That was precisely my intention with initiating this raid. I want them to know that we want them to hurt. I want them to bleed money.
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Also guys, if possible we should be using more than one attack. The more vulnerabilities we target, the less likely they are to get off the ground. Any other simple to use strategies that you know of, please feel free to post them. The harder we hit them the better
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Guys, we all appreciate the effort and the zeal to get back at these spammers, but I'm not sure DDOS'ing them is going to bring the right kind of attention to SR, or a non-retaliatory reaction from the spammers. For that reason, I can't sticky the threads.
If the other mods or admins have a different opinion, they're free to sticky the threads if they so choose.
But in general, I don't think SR supports or encourages the community to attack other sites ... even if they are obnoxious spammers!
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Guys, we all appreciate the effort and the zeal to get back at these spammers, but I'm not sure DDOS'ing them is going to bring the right kind of attention to SR, or a non-retaliatory reaction from the spammers. For that reason, I can't sticky the threads.
If the other mods or admins have a different opinion, they're free to sticky the threads if they so choose.
But in general, I don't think SR supports or encourages the community to attack other sites ... even if they are obnoxious spammers!
Frankly this is the wrong attitude. These people are actually stealing peoples money through trickery over the internet. It is no better than the nigerian prince scam, they are just as bad as those scum. They are not a legal company, they have no legal recourse for whatever we do to them. What will they do and say in their police report? "Officers these bad men from the darknet drug forum we spam on has been targeting our illegitimate business, PLEASE G-MEN HELP US"
Doing nothing about the spammers is wrong morally, not just because they're annoying, but because people worked hard for their money, they don't deserve to see it stolen. We have a moral obligation and imperative to keep the younger, more inexperienced roaders safe.
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As I said, I appreciate the efforts and sympathize, of course -- believe me, I've spent hours - as have the other mods - deleting their threads -- all I'm saying is that it's up to the admins to sticky or not sticky the thread(s).
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As I said, I appreciate the efforts and sympathize, of course -- believe me, I've spent hours - as have the other mods - deleting their threads -- all I'm saying is that it's up to the admins to sticky or not sticky the thread(s).
I can understand that. You are not an admin, you cannot officially sanction an action like this. However i think if a poll was enacted so that the community could vote on the issue, i would be in full support of that
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Frankly, the major limiting factor as far as I can see is that any serious, very difficult to defend against attack can't be performed effectively over Tor. Even if the network handled the kind of bandwidth it would require flawlessly, the nature of Tor makes it trivial to completely negate the attack. Again, I don't want to explicitly tell them how to get back up immune to this ever working again, but it's public knowledge basically. As in they'll find it if they aren't retards and they really do make money this way (which apparently they make a fucking ton of it like this, because they just keep coming back time and time again...)
I do appreciate the caution you're showing, Scout, and I think that's very important for someone making decisions. But they're deliberately cheapening SR, the forums, and therefore by extension the users, proprietors, and name. Their spam has gone beyond simple spam and entered a level of repetition and constancy that makes it an attack in its own right. They seem to have no point at which "it's gone too far," they will ruin SR if it keeps them pulling in cash.
There is no one else to defend against this sort of thing, because it's Tor. There can't be anyone else, or we'd all be locked up along with the fucking spammers. It must be us, and it must be effective. Negotiating seems unlikely to work. For these reasons, I personally say crippling them is not only justified but a necessity -- they'll eventually bring SR's image down into the sewers, and undermine everything DPR and SR stand for. This is not an unprovoked retribution. This is a purely defensive strategy.
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I'm not really sure what attack you can be running via the Tor network that's disrupting their clearnet service, not stressing the network, and that can also be sustained over a period of time from a single server. I'm not saying one doesn't exist, but nothing comes to mind off hand, that's all.
The slowloris attack opens a connection to a web server and begins sending the request headers very slowly and forever. Because new headers keep coming in the server does not hang up, this allows a single connection to hold open one of their threads for up to 3 minutes. Do this once for each thread they are running and you have taken them down.
Low bandwidth attack and a vulnerability of a server. I am using less than 40kps.
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Okay, they have increased the number of open threads they are using. This means my one system can only make them slow it cannot shut them down anymore.
We need volunteers to run this command:
torify ./slowloris.pl -dns bitcointalks.com -port 80 -num 500
You can get the tool here: http://ha.ckers.org/slowloris/
Unless I start renting servers in the cloud I can't keep this up from my pathetice little laptop.
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Can you find out where they are located and/or who they are?
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I sent you my meager funds in my bitcoin wallet. More on its way soon.
I think retaliation against bitcointalks/virwex is the only way to prove to spammers that we mean business.
I am prepared to put money up for this. Others are also prepared.
I am asking for volunteers, right now, to send 0.5 bitcoins to 1Fx73gWkLBS99YWmvbS6vYvfL7ykcbroSg with the description DDOS. This goes to Tessellated, not to me.
6 users sending funds keeps this attack going on for more than one month. 60 users sending money annihilates the spammers for one year. Think about this - they have been laughing at us. Now we laugh at them.
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I put my money where my mouth is. 5 minutes ago, as Tessellated can confirm, I sent 0.5 bitcoins to 1Fx73gWkLBS99YWmvbS6vYvfL7ykcbroSg
If you have given money for starving African children, give now again for this very important cause. If we act now, we will represent user resistance against scamming and spamming. It will be a seminal moment on the internet. Don't let them fuck us. Lets fuck them.
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sorry i spaced it out last night but i just sent 1 bitcoin from sr account
hope it helps
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Guys, we all appreciate the effort and the zeal to get back at these spammers, but I'm not sure DDOS'ing them is going to bring the right kind of attention to SR, or a non-retaliatory reaction from the spammers. For that reason, I can't sticky the threads.
If the other mods or admins have a different opinion, they're free to sticky the threads if they so choose.
But in general, I don't think SR supports or encourages the community to attack other sites ... even if they are obnoxious spammers!
I admire your ❤ scout, you ᴐ² ethics. Don't feel too much for the spammer/s though. They are clearly doing the wrong thing. They certainly won't have ᴐ sympathy if their scam site crashes; they have brought it on themselves..... they ᴐ certainly gone out of their way to ruin our site....try not to feel too bad, to me they are just parasites.....
Frankly, the major limiting factor as far as I can see is that any serious, very difficult to defend against attack can't be performed effectively over Tor. Even if the network handled the kind of bandwidth it would require flawlessly, the nature of Tor makes it trivial to completely negate the attack. Again, I don't want to explicitly tell them how to get back up immune to this ever working again, but it's public knowledge basically. As in they'll find it if they aren't retards and they really do make money this way (which apparently they make a fucking ton of it like this, because they just keep coming back time and time again...)
I do appreciate the caution you're showing, Scout, and I think that's very important for someone making decisions. But they're deliberately cheapening SR, the forums, and therefore by extension the users, proprietors, and name. Their spam has gone beyond simple spam and entered a level of repetition and constancy that makes it an attack in its own right. They seem to have no point at which "it's gone too far," they will ruin SR if it keeps them pulling in cash.
There is no one else to defend against this sort of thing, because it's Tor. There can't be anyone else, or we'd all be locked up along with the fucking spammers. It must be us, and it must be effective. Negotiating seems unlikely to work. For these reasons, I personally say crippling them is not only justified but a necessity -- they'll eventually bring SR's image down into the sewers, and undermine everything DPR and SR stand for. This is not an unprovoked retribution. This is a purely defensive strategy.
Lol, makes ᴐ post sound stupid now doesn't it? GL with it guys, I'm not a tech-head by your standards and reading all of you guys' post on Security section makes me realise how stupid I actually am when it comes to REAL IT security. pine was right; a lot of companies have fancy names for this and that that don't actually do phuc all.... and after that have the gaul to think they know it all; ᴐ God, so totally clueless, all of them. You could take their job with triple pay without breaking a sweat. GL taking the site ↓. This asshole has got to learn what goes around comes around.
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
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pine was right; a lot of companies have fancy names for this and that that don't actually do phuc all.... and after that have the gaul to think they know it all; ᴐ God, so totally clueless, all of them. You could take their job with triple pay without breaking a sweat.
If you were referring to me as part of that statement, I actually enjoy this stuff and would be very happy indeed to take as many of these jobs you speak of for triple the rate as I can get my hands on... just throwing it out there in case anybody feels like their consultant doesn't meet expectations or something. Catch being, of course, I can't very well be sending out resumes and showing up at offices linked to the things I admit here, sooo... yeah. Doesn't bode well for the idea; oh well.
For what it's worth, I think DoS attacks will at best be an aggravation and intermittent disruption until someone decides they're comfortable coming out and fucking these guys over without Tor protecting them. That's not a good idea though, because technically, they could press pretty severe computer crime charges against you. And they'd win, too... somebody who actually makes this sort of thing their primary interest needs to gain access, disable theirs, and then make the hardware literally cook itself just to spite them. Provided they know of a good way to disable hardware protection against that sort of thing, obviously. Pretty hard to fuck with SR if somebody keeps coming along and setting fire to the computers you replace every other day.
This is very out of character for me, but it's gone too far. They've seriously asked for it.
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EDIT: According to the wishes of the our star vendor tessellated,
When did tessellated become a Star vendor?....
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EDIT: According to the wishes of the our star vendor tessellated,
When did tessellated become a Star vendor?....
I believe Tessellated is currently regarded as an OK vendor per the Avengers thread:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=45270.msg480596#msg480596
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EDIT: According to the wishes of the our star vendor tessellated,
When did tessellated become a Star vendor?....
I believe Tessellated is currently regarded as an OK vendor per the Avengers thread:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=45270.msg480596#msg480596
This is accurate.
Very interesting efforts Tess!!
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pine was right; a lot of companies have fancy names for this and that that don't actually do phuc all.... and after that have the gaul to think they know it all; ᴐ God, so totally clueless, all of them. You could take their job with triple pay without breaking a sweat.
If you were referring to me as part of that statement.... [I actually enjoy this stuff and would be very happy indeed to take as many of these jobs you speak of for triple the rate as I can get my hands on...]
... yup. And also the other tech-heads I have seen on this Security dept. of SR forums that, on a daily basis, put everyone else I have seen on so-called IT security tech-support forums to shame. (There's a lot of members here that I initially overlook and then I go through their posts and am quickly corrected on the breadth/depth (tick which applicable :) ) RE security.... something most IT jackasses have no idea or even INT in. I respect an IT degree but not quite as much if this person does not know what the average Tor nerd on Silk Road forums does about security. Good lord man, if they have completed a degree this should be their forte! Or at least, they should be a little more ↑ with today's increased challenges. This is partly not their fault. It seems IT degrees might neglect how to safely browse the internet on Tor, they might cover it, I am unaware of it, I am guessing professors don't load ↑ Silk Road slides in lectures and teach the class how to safely browse the black-market and buy drugs anonymously, what do you expect. ??? )
More than a couple new members have commented on the depth of knowledge by Silk Road members, and that this is taken as standard, not the exception. It would be curious to see what people currently working in the industry REALLY know about internet security/anonymity if put to the test..... in my view they are (least the ones I've seen) misplaced in their view, or even their phucking understanding, of Tor. Most advise us to stay away and then let slip they haven't even been there themselves.
That's wonderful.
God, there must be a way to let employers know of your expertise without mentioning SR or Tor; TBH I resent the fact that some IT support operators look their noses thinking they "know the shit, mahn!" and haven't even been on Tor. ??? Why are they even there. Anyway that's ᴐ 2 ฿ on the matter. But yes, IMAHO, you guys should have these jobs and be paid an amount to reflect that, not people who are content to allow customers to be left vulnerable b/c they don't see security as the priority it should be.
Was going to pick a quote from second paragraph but can't really choose b/c the whole bloody thing I soundly agree on; except I didn't follow the 1st sentence entirely which testifies my newness on Tor... I would have thought DoS to be carried out on Tor, not clearnet. But seriously, I'm not a big fan of bending over and taking it.... if SR did not do anything it'd become a bit of a joke. Rocket launchers and C4 need not be used (although good for a laugh :D )..... I don't see why we should not ↲ the favour to this Virwex or bitcointalks.com or whatever the phuc it is.
Anyway I'm tired. Anyone who knows me knows I'm ALWAYS tired. It's this bloody Tor thing. It's not quick enough and it strains my eyes and I get tired. Grr. >:(
Have no idea how to carry out a DoS so won't bother putting ᴐ hand ↑. Going to read what I missed on this thread to see if it has more info on this (read most of it). But yeah, good on you for having a spyne, so long as you don't get too high-profile, and GL to Tesselated and anyone else involved in this.
Piece out. Nuke safely. :D Eat plenty.
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EDIT: According to the wishes of the our star vendor tessellated,
When did tessellated become a Star vendor?....
He's a star in my book, he has personally crippled the spammers website.
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In an unofficial capacity, I say: SWEET!!!! AWESOME JOB!
In an official capacity, I say: Just be sure to be cautious and prudent!
Hopefully that makes my position a bit more clear. :)
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pine was right; a lot of companies have fancy names for this and that that don't actually do phuc all.... and after that have the gaul to think they know it all; ᴐ God, so totally clueless, all of them. You could take their job with triple pay without breaking a sweat.
If you were referring to me as part of that statement, I actually enjoy this stuff and would be very happy indeed to take as many of these jobs you speak of for triple the rate as I can get my hands on... just throwing it out there in case anybody feels like their consultant doesn't meet expectations or something. Catch being, of course, I can't very well be sending out resumes and showing up at offices linked to the things I admit here, sooo... yeah. Doesn't bode well for the idea; oh well.
For what it's worth, I think DoS attacks will at best be an aggravation and intermittent disruption until someone decides they're comfortable coming out and fucking these guys over without Tor protecting them. That's not a good idea though, because technically, they could press pretty severe computer crime charges against you. And they'd win, too... somebody who actually makes this sort of thing their primary interest needs to gain access, disable theirs, and then make the hardware literally cook itself just to spite them. Provided they know of a good way to disable hardware protection against that sort of thing, obviously. Pretty hard to fuck with SR if somebody keeps coming along and setting fire to the computers you replace every other day.
This is very out of character for me, but it's gone too far. They've seriously asked for it.
Please post in the discussion forums asking for more people and attacks. Link back here SS, we need their expertise. Tess is right, they are currently back up. WE NEED MORE POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey folk.s The attack has become ineffective. There are a few different ways this attack can be blocked and I think they have figured one out.
Hold off on the donations for now, raw server power won't cut it. I don't really have time to come up with a second form of attack, I sort of did this attack out of kicks.
Regarding the donations, anyone can ask for them back and what is left in 2 weeks I will give to the Avengers.
This sort of "take the site down" thing is a game of cat and mouse and while my surprise attack worked they have caught onto it.
I encourage people to read about the different methods available out there and continue. At the very least we have hit them once.
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Hey folk.s The attack has become ineffective. There are a few different ways this attack can be blocked and I think they have figured one out.
Hold off on the donations for now, raw server power won't cut it. I don't really have time to come up with a second form of attack, I sort of did this attack out of kicks.
Regarding the donations, anyone can ask for them back and what is left in 2 weeks I will give to the Avengers.
This sort of "take the site down" thing is a game of cat and mouse and while my surprise attack worked they have caught onto it.
I encourage people to read about the different methods available out there and continue. At the very least we have hit them once.
If anyone is willing and able to take over Tessallated's attack or combine resources, please do. I'm not sure if the slowloris attack will become effective the more protection these people add. As for now Tess, set your Loris sights on Virwex. We hurt bitcointalks, and they have recovered, albeit for the moment. We can switch gears and take out the other guys while we formulate another plan
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yes this is hard to stop...I figure SR admins have tried and failed...All i do is add those names they use in my ignore list...when i get an email or when i see them post i add them...takes a few seconds.
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Hi
I think its not wise for a vendor to dos a site and openly comment about it here. What if you leave a trace?
I know nothing about hacking so pardon my ignorance..... but i thought keeping a low profile is top priority for vendors......
Im just paranoid but think about it...
Hope you really know what you are doing!
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yes this is hard to stop...I figure SR admins have tried and failed...All i do is add those names they use in my ignore list...when i get an email or when i see them post i add them...takes a few seconds.
how do you add names to the ignore list?
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yes this is hard to stop...I figure SR admins have tried and failed...All i do is add those names they use in my ignore list...when i get an email or when i see them post i add them...takes a few seconds.
how do you add names to the ignore list?
Once you open the profile look to your left you will see Buddies/ignore
Silk Road forums » Profile of XXXX » Buddies/Ignore List » Edit Ignore List
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Hey folk.s The attack has become ineffective. There are a few different ways this attack can be blocked and I think they have figured one out.
Hold off on the donations for now, raw server power won't cut it. I don't really have time to come up with a second form of attack, I sort of did this attack out of kicks.
Regarding the donations, anyone can ask for them back and what is left in 2 weeks I will give to the Avengers.
This sort of "take the site down" thing is a game of cat and mouse and while my surprise attack worked they have caught onto it.
I encourage people to read about the different methods available out there and continue. At the very least we have hit them once.
keep the silly 1 bitcoin - it was worth it just for the effort!
For what it's worth, I think DoS attacks will at best be an aggravation and intermittent disruption until someone decides they're comfortable coming out and fucking these guys over without Tor protecting them. That's not a good idea though, because technically, they could press pretty severe computer crime charges against you. And they'd win, too... somebody who actually makes this sort of thing their primary interest needs to gain access, disable theirs, and then make the hardware literally cook itself just to spite them. Provided they know of a good way to disable hardware protection against that sort of thing, obviously. Pretty hard to fuck with SR if somebody keeps coming along and setting fire to the computers you replace every other day.
This is very out of character for me, but it's gone too far. They've seriously asked for it.
jack the bios - pump up the voltage! boom boom boom!
:P
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Tess you should switch the loris attack towards Virwex, while we formulate another attack on Bitcointalks.com
We can take out the other group of spammers, they haven't been hit yet.
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Tess,
I am not a hacker myself but know a bit about it. Have you tried doxing them (either of them actually)? There are some people making serious money on this site, including DPR, some of which have "friends" that would happily pay them a visit or wherver their main operations are based out of. If they are making $ from spamming then they have to be traceable somehow I would assume. Anyways, making their real information, names, address, etc, publically available would definitely be a step in the right direction.
If DPR reads this, I am sure there are some people on here that could help you out in this arena for a price. At $22 million a year I don't think it's much to ask to take care of business, but then again it is just spam..
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As I said, I appreciate the efforts and sympathize, of course -- believe me, I've spent hours - as have the other mods - deleting their threads -- all I'm saying is that it's up to the admins to sticky or not sticky the thread(s).
I can understand that. You are not an admin, you cannot officially sanction an action like this. However i think if a poll was enacted so that the community could vote on the issue, i would be in full support of that
Yes I and scout are on the same page and on this specific topic I'd appreciate a hold on what has become spam to my PM box is the topic of a sticky in every section for this topic, which I'll be leaving up to the admins to make the call on to sticky or not sticking of the topic.
It's very much appreciated and a true sign of leadership on this topic and plague to the community but I believe this is a topic that the judgement call falls on those further up the chain of command than I or any specific moderator.
X)
nomad
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Someone with that kind of talents could be hired to do all kinds of dirty deeds. Such as takedown a business competitors website. Put your talents to good use man! Things that make money.
Congratulations on taking down that spammer. I work in IT So I know how much work and effort you put into it. He probably spent a couple hours on the task.
I shall bow down to the overlord.
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Tess,
I am not a hacker myself but know a bit about it. Have you tried doxing them (either of them actually)? There are some people making serious money on this site, including DPR, some of which have "friends" that would happily pay them a visit or wherver their main operations are based out of. If they are making $ from spamming then they have to be traceable somehow I would assume. Anyways, making their real information, names, address, etc, publically available would definitely be a step in the right direction.
If DPR reads this, I am sure there are some people on here that could help you out in this arena for a price. At $22 million a year I don't think it's much to ask to take care of business, but then again it is just spam..
That is a ridiculous proposition. 'Doxing', regardless of the actions of the person causing the problem, goes against everything that Silk Road, DPR, and this community stand for.
Outrageous.
- grahamgreene
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Tess,
I am not a hacker myself but know a bit about it. Have you tried doxing them (either of them actually)? There are some people making serious money on this site, including DPR, some of which have "friends" that would happily pay them a visit or wherver their main operations are based out of. If they are making $ from spamming then they have to be traceable somehow I would assume. Anyways, making their real information, names, address, etc, publically available would definitely be a step in the right direction.
If DPR reads this, I am sure there are some people on here that could help you out in this arena for a price. At $22 million a year I don't think it's much to ask to take care of business, but then again it is just spam..
That is a ridiculous proposition. 'Doxing', regardless of the actions of the person causing the problem, goes against everything that Silk Road, DPR, and this community stand for.
Outrageous.
- grahamgreene
+1 GG
X)
nomad
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Tess,
I am not a hacker myself but know a bit about it. Have you tried doxing them (either of them actually)? There are some people making serious money on this site, including DPR, some of which have "friends" that would happily pay them a visit or wherver their main operations are based out of. If they are making $ from spamming then they have to be traceable somehow I would assume. Anyways, making their real information, names, address, etc, publically available would definitely be a step in the right direction.
If DPR reads this, I am sure there are some people on here that could help you out in this arena for a price. At $22 million a year I don't think it's much to ask to take care of business, but then again it is just spam..
That is a ridiculous proposition. 'Doxing', regardless of the actions of the person causing the problem, goes against everything that Silk Road, DPR, and this community stand for.
Outrageous.
- grahamgreene
I'm not really sure why doxing itself does, but given that I sort of said something about paralyzing them up there, I feel compelled to point out that I didn't mean anything like this suggestion and I agree completely -- actually killing them or something is just way, way, way too far. This is a drug site, and I do believe drugs should be legal, but let's face it: there are probably some pretty cold, heartless people in the nooks and crannies, and giving them an address and a reason to hold a grudge may not be the best idea ever, ya know.
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Tess,
I am not a hacker myself but know a bit about it. Have you tried doxing them (either of them actually)? There are some people making serious money on this site, including DPR, some of which have "friends" that would happily pay them a visit or wherver their main operations are based out of. If they are making $ from spamming then they have to be traceable somehow I would assume. Anyways, making their real information, names, address, etc, publically available would definitely be a step in the right direction.
If DPR reads this, I am sure there are some people on here that could help you out in this arena for a price. At $22 million a year I don't think it's much to ask to take care of business, but then again it is just spam..
That is a ridiculous proposition. 'Doxing', regardless of the actions of the person causing the problem, goes against everything that Silk Road, DPR, and this community stand for.
Outrageous.
- grahamgreene
Well said :)
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Tess,
I am not a hacker myself but know a bit about it. Have you tried doxing them (either of them actually)? There are some people making serious money on this site, including DPR, some of which have "friends" that would happily pay them a visit or wherver their main operations are based out of. If they are making $ from spamming then they have to be traceable somehow I would assume. Anyways, making their real information, names, address, etc, publically available would definitely be a step in the right direction.
If DPR reads this, I am sure there are some people on here that could help you out in this arena for a price. At $22 million a year I don't think it's much to ask to take care of business, but then again it is just spam..
That is a ridiculous proposition. 'Doxing', regardless of the actions of the person causing the problem, goes against everything that Silk Road, DPR, and this community stand for.
Outrageous.
- grahamgreene
I'm not really sure why doxing itself does, but given that I sort of said something about paralyzing them up there, I feel compelled to point out that I didn't mean anything like this suggestion and I agree completely -- actually killing them or something is just way, way, way too far. This is a drug site, and I do believe drugs should be legal, but let's face it: there are probably some pretty cold, heartless people in the nooks and crannies, and giving them an address and a reason to hold a grudge may not be the best idea ever, ya know.
I was going to ask if "doxing" was a worm or virus? Glad somebody told me. (Also SS 3 of your posts have been deleted since last night(Edit. Sorry, may have been astor. oops). Weird. Or maybe not. A lot of threads were locked/phucked around last night.) Why did he say doxing not killing? I thought we were still on the slow loris thing? (Not a tech-head. Well.... only around amateurs like IT consultants ::) ) Also, dbz4u, that Roky Erickson is an idiot; ignore his comments. Doesn't say a lot for [edit. okay I was a little out of line here, your job is not my business] (no offense fellers) that he isn't banned.
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
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That is a ridiculous proposition. 'Doxing', regardless of the actions of the person causing the problem, goes against everything that Silk Road, DPR, and this community stand for.
Outrageous.
- grahamgreene
I suspect you could get quite the philosophical debate going over what exactly SR et. all "stands for." Regardless, I'm suddenly reminded of early William Gibson novels wherein nation states have largely crumbled, but corporations have taken over behaving in exactly the same way. If you think of SR as an embryonic post-governmental entity, then GrahamGreene is completely right: by launching an attack, we emulate the behavior of modern day nation states that we deplore so much.
We walk a fine line.
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I'm not really sure why doxing itself does, but given that I sort of said something about paralyzing them up there, I feel compelled to point out that I didn't mean anything like this suggestion and I agree completely -- actually killing them or something is just way, way, way too far. This is a drug site, and I do believe drugs should be legal, but let's face it: there are probably some pretty cold, heartless people in the nooks and crannies, and giving them an address and a reason to hold a grudge may not be the best idea ever, ya know.
I was going to ask if "doxing" was a worm or virus? Glad somebody told me. (Also SS 3 of your posts have been deleted since last night(Edit. Sorry, may have been astor. oops). Weird. Or maybe not. A lot of threads were locked/phucked around last night.) Why did he say doxing not killing? I thought we were still on the slow loris thing? (Not a tech-head. Well.... only around amateurs like IT consultants ::) ) Also, dbz4u, that Roky Erickson is an idiot; ignore his comments. Doesn't say a lot for Silk Road mods (no offense fellers) that he isn't banned.
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
The whole idea behind Silk Road - and behind these forums - is that we can remain completely anonymous as we go about our business, and freely discuss topics which could otherwise draw attention to us in a personal manner. The idea behind 'doxing' someone is releasing their personal information - an action, which results in the polar opposite of everything that this forum and community stands for.
That is a ridiculous proposition. 'Doxing', regardless of the actions of the person causing the problem, goes against everything that Silk Road, DPR, and this community stand for.
Outrageous.
- grahamgreene
I suspect you could get quite the philosophical debate going over what exactly SR et. all "stands for." Regardless, I'm suddenly reminded of early William Gibson novels wherein nation states have largely crumbled, but corporations have taken over behaving in exactly the same way. If you think of SR as an embryonic post-governmental entity, then GrahamGreene is completely right: by launching an attack, we emulate the behavior of modern day nation states that we deplore so much.
We walk a fine line.
We've engaged in such debates on numerous occasions over the past 12 months or so, but exactly what SR et. al stand for is clearly expressed in DPR's posts from the days he/she was known as 'Silk Road' on the forums, and before.
Though the size of our community has exploded since then, its core values remain the same, spurred on by the strong foundations that DPR has laid down.
As a community, we must not become that which we are fighting so hard to gain freedom from. A fine line we walk indeed.
- grahamgreene
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Graham your right and wrong. If they were legit members turned bad, fine. However they aren't part of the community, their parasites
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I'm not really sure why doxing itself does, but given that I sort of said something about paralyzing them up there, I feel compelled to point out that I didn't mean anything like this suggestion and I agree completely -- actually killing them or something is just way, way, way too far. This is a drug site, and I do believe drugs should be legal, but let's face it: there are probably some pretty cold, heartless people in the nooks and crannies, and giving them an address and a reason to hold a grudge may not be the best idea ever, ya know.
I was going to ask if "doxing" was a worm or virus? Glad somebody told me. (Also SS 3 of your posts have been deleted since last night(Edit. Sorry, may have been astor. oops). Weird. Or maybe not. A lot of threads were locked/phucked around last night.) Why did he say doxing not killing? I thought we were still on the slow loris thing? (Not a tech-head. Well.... only around amateurs like IT consultants ::) ) Also, dbz4u, that Roky Erickson is an idiot; ignore his comments. Doesn't say a lot for Silk Road mods (no offense fellers) that he isn't banned.
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
The whole idea behind Silk Road - and behind these forums - is that we can remain completely anonymous as we go about our business, and freely discuss topics which could otherwise draw attention to us in a personal manner. The idea behind 'doxing' someone is releasing their personal information - an action, which results in the polar opposite of everything that this forum and community stands for.
That is a ridiculous proposition. 'Doxing', regardless of the actions of the person causing the problem, goes against everything that Silk Road, DPR, and this community stand for.
Outrageous.
- grahamgreene
I suspect you could get quite the philosophical debate going over what exactly SR et. all "stands for." Regardless, I'm suddenly reminded of early William Gibson novels wherein nation states have largely crumbled, but corporations have taken over behaving in exactly the same way. If you think of SR as an embryonic post-governmental entity, then GrahamGreene is completely right: by launching an attack, we emulate the behavior of modern day nation states that we deplore so much.
We walk a fine line.
We've engaged in such debates on numerous occasions over the past 12 months or so, but exactly what SR et. al stand for is clearly expressed in DPR's posts from the days he/she was known as 'Silk Road' on the forums, and before.
Though the size of our community has exploded since then, its core values remain the same, spurred on by the strong foundations that DPR has laid down.
As a community, we must not become that which we are fighting so hard to gain freedom from. A fine line we walk indeed.
- grahamgreene
Very true! we as a community are not to judge, or make harm or do anything oppressive...This is a forum to freely share your ideas and thoughts. If they want to spam so what..I really don't care, its like commercials on TV you deal with it. Some would argue, even trying to stop them, is in itself a form oppression... We are not here to force our will on anyone. Open your mind and be free...
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They have a site on the clearnet. How can there be an issue with exposing their identities?
There is a HUGE difference between fraud, which creates aggrieved victims, and transactions between willing buyers and sellers, as is happening here.
If one compares these two things and sees equivalency then ones moral compass is faulty.
As for retaliation against virwex/bitcointalks - that is a philosophical issues between eye for an eye or turn the other cheek. I think that exposing them is a good idea. It gives the victims of this fraud an avenue for the recovery of their stolen money. Is there anyone here that truly thinks that virwex should be able to keep it's stolen money?
Addressing grahamgreene - you say that 'doxing' someone goes against the spirit of the forum. Let me give you an alternative example.
None of us wants to see people thrown into prison for taking or selling drugs, is that correct? That would go against the spirit of the forum, no? What about a murderer? With a few exceptions, I would say most people would want a murderer to go to prison, and the spirit of the forum has nothing to do with it. Same with virwex/bitcointalks. The spirit of the forum doesn't apply to them.
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on one hand, i think the people who are careless or ignorant enough to be scammed by an obvious scammer deserves it. there are so many red flags. 10 btc when market value is at $17? i don't think so. and buying some coins, you should obviously do some research on your vendor. if you are dumb enough to be cheated like that, you kind of deserve it.
but then on another hand, i don't like the fact that there are people preying on the stupids of this community; just because you can do it doesn't make it right.
ultimately, if people keep getting scammed.. it would devalue BTC's. so i'm not totally against doxing an asshole.
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Graham your right and wrong. If they were legit members turned bad, fine. However they aren't part of the community, their parasites
Part of the community or not, by releasing personal details we would be abandoning the principles around which Silk Road itself was founded. I include the forums in that definition as they were originally a part of the main site itself.
We cannot pick and choose whom we allow to remain anonymous. Such a system would be completely unjust. It's must either be everybody or nobody; there can be no half-measures.
They have a site on the clearnet. How can there be an issue with exposing their identities?
There is a HUGE difference between fraud, which creates aggrieved victims, and transactions between willing buyers and sellers, as is happening here.
If one compares these two things and sees equivalency then ones moral compass is faulty.
As for retaliation against virwex/bitcointalks - that is a philosophical issues between eye for an eye or turn the other cheek. I think that exposing them is a good idea. It gives the victims of this fraud an avenue for the recovery of their stolen money. Is there anyone here that truly thinks that virwex should be able to keep it's stolen money?
Addressing grahamgreene - you say that 'doxing' someone goes against the spirit of the forum. Let me give you an alternative example.
None of us wants to see people thrown into prison for taking or selling drugs, is that correct? That would go against the spirit of the forum, no? What about a murderer? With a few exceptions, I would say most people would want a murderer to go to prison, and the spirit of the forum has nothing to do with it. Same with virwex/bitcointalks. The spirit of the forum doesn't apply to them.
Hi again nanpa2001,
Yes, they have a site on the clearnet and have presumably masked their identities. If someone were to find their identity (and could confirm with 100% certainty that it is correct) then sure, post it all over the clearnet, make life difficult for them etc. However, posting it **here** would be the problematic issue. It would also be subject to immediate deletion by the moderators, in line with the rules regarding anonymity here.
Nobody is saying that committing fraud and engaging in free-market transactions are the same; however, anonymity is the number one rule here regardless of the actions of the offender. We cannot expect anonymity when we refuse to offer it to others. Like I said above in reply to dbz4u, we can't pick and choose who remains anonymous. Anonymity is **guaranteed** here, which is why people feel comfortable discussing certain topics freely and openly. If we remove that guarantee of anonymity we do not deserve it ourselves.
In response to the example you provided above, you're pushing your morals on others. Who is to say that one person's morals are superior to another person's morals? To some, taking and selling drugs is immoral behaviour. To others, murder is immoral behaviour. One cannot simply presume that because one holds a certain set of values, others share the same.
People being thrown into prison for taking or selling drugs has got nothing to do with the spirit of the forums, nor has murder, as neither have anything to do with the anonymity provided here which is the issue in question. You're not employing sound logic in your argument. If you know the name of a murderer and wish to see your view of justice served, then by all means post his/her details on the clearnet, or go to the police yourself. However, the Silk Road forums are not the place to take away anyone's guarantee of anonymity - a guarantee that is enshrined in the very principles by which we operate here.
- grahamgreene
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Graham your right and wrong. If they were legit members turned bad, fine. However they aren't part of the community, their parasites
Part of the community or not, by releasing personal details we would be abandoning the principles around which Silk Road itself was founded. I include the forums in that definition as they were originally a part of the main site itself.
We cannot pick and choose whom we allow to remain anonymous. Such a system would be completely unjust. It's must either be everybody or nobody; there can be no half-measures.
They have a site on the clearnet. How can there be an issue with exposing their identities?
There is a HUGE difference between fraud, which creates aggrieved victims, and transactions between willing buyers and sellers, as is happening here.
If one compares these two things and sees equivalency then ones moral compass is faulty.
As for retaliation against virwex/bitcointalks - that is a philosophical issues between eye for an eye or turn the other cheek. I think that exposing them is a good idea. It gives the victims of this fraud an avenue for the recovery of their stolen money. Is there anyone here that truly thinks that virwex should be able to keep it's stolen money?
Addressing grahamgreene - you say that 'doxing' someone goes against the spirit of the forum. Let me give you an alternative example.
None of us wants to see people thrown into prison for taking or selling drugs, is that correct? That would go against the spirit of the forum, no? What about a murderer? With a few exceptions, I would say most people would want a murderer to go to prison, and the spirit of the forum has nothing to do with it. Same with virwex/bitcointalks. The spirit of the forum doesn't apply to them.
Hi again nanpa2001,
Yes, they have a site on the clearnet and have presumably masked their identities. If someone were to find their identity (and could confirm with 100% certainty that it is correct) then sure, post it all over the clearnet, make life difficult for them etc. However, posting it **here** would be the problematic issue. It would also be subject to immediate deletion by the moderators, in line with the rules regarding anonymity here.
Nobody is saying that committing fraud and engaging in free-market transactions are the same; however, anonymity is the number one rule here regardless of the actions of the offender. We cannot expect anonymity when we refuse to offer it to others. Like I said above in reply to dbz4u, we can't pick and choose who remains anonymous. Anonymity is **guaranteed** here, which is why people feel comfortable discussing certain topics freely and openly. If we remove that guarantee of anonymity we do not deserve it ourselves.
In response to the example you provided above, you're pushing your morals on others. Who is to say that one person's morals are superior to another person's morals? To some, taking and selling drugs is immoral behaviour. To others, murder is immoral behaviour. One cannot simply presume that because one holds a certain set of values, others share the same.
People being thrown into prison for taking or selling drugs has got nothing to do with the spirit of the forums, nor has murder, as neither have anything to do with the anonymity provided here which is the issue in question. You're not employing sound logic in your argument. If you know the name of a murderer and wish to see your view of justice served, then by all means post his/her details on the clearnet, or go to the police yourself. However, the Silk Road forums are not the place to take away anyone's guarantee of anonymity - a guarantee that is enshrined in the very principles by which we operate here.
- grahamgreene
Yes, I am not saying that the details should be published here. I don't recall anyone saying that the details should be published on the Silk Road forums. Someone did mention outing the identities of these fraudsters, but I assumed that he meant on the clearnet, where average internet users and police would see it.
When I speak of comparisons between selling drugs and murder, or of mutually desired transactions and theft/fraud, I am not speaking of subjective values, but of the non-aggression principle of libertarianism. If someone is thrown into prison for selling or buying drugs, he is a victim of aggression, not the aggressor. Murderers and thieves are always aggressors, because they leave behind victims that did not desire that type of contact with them. Perhaps you should revise your "Voice of Logic & Reason" byline.
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I'm guilty of a lack of knowledge: I did not realize that inherent in the definition of "doxing" is the actual releasing of the information. I thought the act of "doxing" referred specifically to intrusive levels of OBTAINING someone's information, but said nothing about what one did with that information.
My comment was said with my previous (mis)undertanding of the slang in mind.
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I was going to ask if "doxing" was a worm or virus? Glad somebody told me. (Also SS 3 of your posts have been deleted since last night(Edit. Sorry, may have been astor. oops). Weird. Or maybe not. A lot of threads were locked/phucked around last night.) Why did he say doxing not killing? I thought we were still on the slow loris thing? (Not a tech-head. Well.... only around amateurs like IT consultants ::) ) Also, dbz4u, that Roky Erickson is an idiot; ignore his comments. Doesn't say a lot for Silk Road mods (no offense fellers) that he isn't banned.
Piece out. Drive safely. Eat plenty.
The whole idea behind Silk Road - and behind these forums - is that we can remain completely anonymous as we go about our business, and freely discuss topics which could otherwise draw attention to us in a personal manner. The idea behind 'doxing' someone is releasing their personal information - an action, which results in the polar opposite of everything that this forum and community stands for.
Yeah sorry I dozed off for 3 days :-\ TY for a. to q. gg. (even if I disagree with some of comments, yar, it's all about perspective gg, freedom from censorship good, lol, I have a few "interesting" things in my collection, yar, Raz does not believe in censorship, but we;re talking about a parasite on SR... all about perspective, virtus stat in medio, and that applies here as well. Also, I speak English well but can't be bothered today.)
As for Tesselated, well....... my man, you have done more for SR than others lately and let us be really phucking diplomatic and just leave it at that, mkay? Keep up the good work. :)