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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: Ballzinator on December 06, 2012, 05:39 pm
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http://whmxwxv6lc22itzl.onion/
http://whmxwxvfa2dves5k.onion/
Has anyone successfully used any of those two sites?
How about this one:
http://jtnkelklmsiq5cqa.onion/
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I've never used nor heard of either, but If I had to guess I'd say < http://whmxwxvfa2dves5k.onion/dollars.html > is the legit one.
The other one doesn't have a picture of the LED scanner to check quality on opening page, uses the email WHMX20@tormail instead of an original WHMX@tormail, states (in bad engrish) that the other site is indeed the scam which only gives me notions that it is the true scam site.
Edit: After looking at both, now I don't really know. It's the email address that could only be the real defining factor. The scam message could actually be the owner of the site and he is just concerned about some mother fucker copying his site, but he just has poor grammar. Sorry man
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I've never used nor heard of either, but If I had to guess I'd say < http://whmxwxvfa2dves5k.onion/dollars.html > is the legit one.
The other one doesn't have a picture of the LED scanner to check quality on opening page, uses the email WHMX20@tormail instead of an original WHMX@tormail, states (in bad engrish) that the other site is indeed the scam which only gives me notions that it is the true scam site.
Edit: After looking at both, now I don't really know. It's the email address that could only be the real defining factor. The scam message could actually be the owner of the site and he is just concerned about some mother fucker copying his site, but he just has poor grammar. Sorry man
Those were my thoughts EXACTLY :D
Both sites claim to use Acrimonious Escrow so I sent them an email asking which site is the real one. This is their reply:
Hi,
I do not know the addresses, I searched the two emails on our website
and whmx20@tormail.org has successfully completed 68 escrows, and has
active orders. The other email (whmx@tormail.org) does not exist in our
system.
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Acrimonious Escrow
We learned two things:
1.) http://whmxwxv6lc22itzl.onion/ is the real one.
2.) Acrimonious is awesome.
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How about this one:
http://jtnkelklmsiq5cqa.onion/
This guys a scammer, He took me for a few coin.
So stay away!
I've never used nor heard of either, but If I had to guess I'd say < http://whmxwxvfa2dves5k.onion/dollars.html > is the legit one.
The other one doesn't have a picture of the LED scanner to check quality on opening page, uses the email WHMX20@tormail instead of an original WHMX@tormail, states (in bad engrish) that the other site is indeed the scam which only gives me notions that it is the true scam site.
Edit: After looking at both, now I don't really know. It's the email address that could only be the real defining factor. The scam message could actually be the owner of the site and he is just concerned about some mother fucker copying his site, but he just has poor grammar. Sorry man
Those were my thoughts EXACTLY :D
Both sites claim to use Acrimonious Escrow so I sent them an email asking which site is the real one. This is their reply:
Hi,
I do not know the addresses, I searched the two emails on our website
and whmx20@tormail.org has successfully completed 68 escrows, and has
active orders. The other email (whmx@tormail.org) does not exist in our
system.
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Acrimonious Escrow
We learned two things:
1.) http://whmxwxv6lc22itzl.onion/ is the real one.
2.) Acrimonious is awesome.
Thank god for this tread I had already emailed whmx@tormail.org and was getting money ready from him.
Ballzinator can you let me know how your order goes with whmx20@tormail.org?
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How about this one:
http://jtnkelklmsiq5cqa.onion/
This guys a scammer, He took me for a few coin.
So stay away!
I've never used nor heard of either, but If I had to guess I'd say < http://whmxwxvfa2dves5k.onion/dollars.html > is the legit one.
The other one doesn't have a picture of the LED scanner to check quality on opening page, uses the email WHMX20@tormail instead of an original WHMX@tormail, states (in bad engrish) that the other site is indeed the scam which only gives me notions that it is the true scam site.
Edit: After looking at both, now I don't really know. It's the email address that could only be the real defining factor. The scam message could actually be the owner of the site and he is just concerned about some mother fucker copying his site, but he just has poor grammar. Sorry man
Those were my thoughts EXACTLY :D
Both sites claim to use Acrimonious Escrow so I sent them an email asking which site is the real one. This is their reply:
Hi,
I do not know the addresses, I searched the two emails on our website
and whmx20@tormail.org has successfully completed 68 escrows, and has
active orders. The other email (whmx@tormail.org) does not exist in our
system.
--
Acrimonious Escrow
We learned two things:
1.) http://whmxwxv6lc22itzl.onion/ is the real one.
2.) Acrimonious is awesome.
Thank god for this tread I had already emailed whmx@tormail.org and was getting money ready from him.
Ballzinator can you let me know how your order goes with whmx20@tormail.org?
Haha, tell him to go fuck himself :D
I'll keep y'all updated. Might be two to four weeks until my order though.
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Haha, tell him to go fuck himself :D
I'll keep y'all updated. Might be two to four weeks until my order though.
I have, In fact I have been spamming his email with that very message.
But I guess it's my fault for doing business out of escrow.
No problem if it's a few weeks. Just send me a pm or whatever and let me know if he is legit.
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Haha, tell him to go fuck himself :D
I'll keep y'all updated. Might be two to four weeks until my order though.
Good luck Ballz !
I d love some feedback on them.
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I'd love to hear about the experience as well ballz. Where are you in the process now?
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I'd love to hear about the experience as well ballz. Where are you in the process now?
I'm waiting to have enough money to place the order :D
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...wanna see how this plays out....
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I think the minimum order is 20 or 25 notes right?
For .65 btc each thats around $150~$170
Did I read their add wrong?
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I think the minimum order is 20 or 25 notes right?
For .65 btc each thats around $150~$170
Did I read their add wrong?
MOQ 25 bills @0.6BTC = 15BTC = ~162€ right now.
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Will be nice to see how this plays out :)
Dank
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Hmm... tempting.
Just be careful. Counterfeit is a whole different game.
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Hmm... tempting.
Just be careful. Counterfeit is a whole different game.
How so? I get that you can't go to the bank or use them in machines or do anything generally stupid with them but what are the other "don'ts "
Like how often are fake 20 bills found when they pass UV and pen testing in small shops on so on?
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Hmm... tempting.
Just be careful. Counterfeit is a whole different game.
Yea, the Federal Reserve doesn't like competition in the counterfeiting game.
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I'm waiting to have enough money to place the order :D
Hi Ballzinator,
Will you be ordering Euros or Dollars, and how much more do you require to place the order? I'd be willing to contribute some BTC to split the risk in order to establish their legitimacy if you can use a reputable escrow service.
If it is successful and you receive your order you can send me back half the BTC that I contribute to this and keep all of the notes.
If it isn't successful, we both lose a much smaller amount of money rather than both losing €170+/-.
Let me know if you're interested, and if you are, how much you need. I think a 50/50 split would be fair, unless another member wishes to contribute as well?
- grahamgreene
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I'm waiting to have enough money to place the order :D
Hi Ballzinator,
Will you be ordering Euros or Dollars, and how much more do you require to place the order? I'd be willing to contribute some BTC to split the risk in order to establish their legitimacy if you can use a reputable escrow service.
If it is successful and you receive your order you can send me back half the BTC that I contribute to this and keep all of the notes.
If it isn't successful, we both lose a much smaller amount of money rather than both losing €170+/-.
Let me know if you're interested, and if you are, how much you need. I think a 50/50 split would be fair, unless another member wishes to contribute as well?
- grahamgreene
I'm going to order Euros but am piss ass broke right now (been ordering lots of durgz for Christmas and New Year's Eve) so I'd still have to wait, no matter what percentage of the coins you'd contribute. Thanks a lot for the offer though :D
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I'm going to order Euros but am piss ass broke right now (been ordering lots of durgz for Christmas and New Year's Eve) so I'd still have to wait, no matter what percentage of the coins you'd contribute. Thanks a lot for the offer though :D
Excellent, I'd be interested in Euros too. Let me know when you want to go for it and I'll send you half the BTC to split the cost with you - I'm in no rush! One thing that does concern me though is that they don't update the prices (as the site is made with images), but with the fluctuating value of Bitcoin, one would expect them to do so. As Bitcoin is increasing in value, this isn't much of an issue, but if BTC prices start declining and they don't update the note prices then that would be a cause for concern.
Another possibility is that they set up the 'scammer' site themselves in order to introduce an air of legitimacy to their own website. Generally speaking when you see a site warning you about a duplicate scam website that's out to steal your money, you'll start to trust them - they're introducing the idea that they are looking out for your interests, so you automatically become more complacent and begin trusting them.
It's quite similar to the good cop / bad cop routine that police often use during questioning. Basic psychology, but it tends to be very effective.
Let me know anyway when you want to go ahead with it; I'd rather split the loss with you than see an active member of this community shoulder the entire loss himself. :)
- grahamgreene
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Another possibility is that they set up the 'scammer' site themselves in order to introduce an air of legitimacy to their own website. Generally speaking when you see a site warning you about a duplicate scam website that's out to steal your money, you'll start to trust them - they're introducing the idea that they are looking out for your interests, so you automatically become more complacent and begin trusting them.
It's quite similar to the good cop / bad cop routine that police often use during questioning. Basic psychology, but it tends to be very effective.
I've thought about that too but I think they're just concerned about some asshole copying their site and stealing, then scamming their potential customers.
Also Acrimonious said that WHMX have dozens of successful transactions so at this point I'm pretty sure they're legit.
Let me know anyway when you want to go ahead with it; I'd rather split the loss with you than see an active member of this community shoulder the entire loss himself. :)
That's awesome! Thank you so much :D
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I have relayed a couple of emails with WMHX and can say that the only way this can be a scam is if the escrow service that he is using is fake OR he manages to get hold of fake tracking numbers. I also emailed the Acrinoinous, like previous poster, but got no reply since about 2 days time.
I've thought about that too but I think they're just concerned about some asshole copying their site and stealing, then scamming their potential customers.
Also Acrimonious said that WHMX have dozens of successful transactions so at this point I'm pretty sure they're legit.
One cannot discount the possibility that Acrimonious is either a) in on the scam, or b) conducting it him/herself. However, I have no experience with Acrimonious Escrow, therefore I cannot comment on its legitimacy.
Make sure when you order go for the 25 x $20 on first order as then you only have to pay 165 USD or something + delivery charge. Id personally go for usd first rather than euros. Doesnt matter if you want euros in long term, save a bit of money and lets check out the cheaper ones first. BTW he says his usd are "super dollars" produced/purchased in Asia wheres as the euros they make themselves. MAKE SURE you take a tracking number. It will; cost 1 BTC to the EU and 1.5 BTC to worldwide.
I am happy to contribute 1 BTC to the trial purchase. I think if everybody posts here if you want to add a coin to the purchase and then send it to Ballzinator or GG to do the deal?
1. GrahamGreene
2. Ballzinator
3. GrowHelp
There is only 2.5 BTC difference between the prices of the EUR and USD notes, and I presume Ballzinator would be more comfortable identifying potential flaws on Euros than on dollars. The Euro notes would also likely be of more use to him.
As far as the issue of Super Dollars go, the only Super Dollars minted were $100 USD bills; the foremost theory is that they are minted by North Korea on the same presses used by the US Mint and distributed via North Korean diplomats to contacts in foreign embassies, notably Russia.
The $20 bills are not Super Dollars, so this would give me even more reason to be wary. Did they specifically state that the 20's were?
Your input is much appreciated though GrowHelp, as is your 1 BTC pledge.
I would much rather Ballzinator go about this the way he wants to though - I don't want to handle other people's funds, and would be more than willing to fund half of the sample order, with Ballzinator perhaps taking contributions for the other half if he wishes to work it that way?
This shouldn't really be under discussion in the forums though; I would suggest making a private messaging group, but that introduces concerns of its own regarding privacy issues and lack of openness. If we go about it that way then there would have to be strict rules governing it; no personal information to be revealed (name, address, age, precise geographical location etc.), no discussion of anything other than the idea of a 'group fund' in order to mitigate individual losses on this purchase / the actual results of the purchase, and no person mentioning their Silk Road transactions, transaction history, messaging history or anything else of the sort.
If we do wish to go down that route it would be important to act as though all of its members, including myself, are Law Enforcement. Closed groups attract these types of people and thanks to the anonymity provided by TOR and the internet in general, any one of us could indeed BE Law Enforcement.
I welcome any suggestions or alterations to the above, or more pledges to contribute very small amounts of Bitcoin to this idea (with no BTC to be transferred to anyone until we sort out a 'plan of action'.)
- grahamgreene
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Too bad there are no Canadian bills, for a second I had visions of excessive gangst-ness buying everyone drinks in the club :(
..One day I'll be a baller.
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Will be nice to see how this plays out :)
Dank
:P
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If I ever get some more bitcoin, I will be getting some euros shipped within France, so there can be no claim of non-delivery by way of postal scam or detection. I'll post in this thread when I get around to it.
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I am extremely interested in the outcome of this...
Also, I'm brand new and need to learn the ropes before I start making exchanges. However, at the point of where I feel comfortable buying and selling, I'd be interested in being the partner in a GrahamGreene-type risk minimization deal.
-Phoenix
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Ok gentleman, Any updates on this venture?
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well I didnt see this post until after the fact, I contacted him and payed for some through acrononimous2 escrow and he said he will be shipping the 20th. the site I used is http://whmxwxv6lc22itzl.onion only problem is I cant pull up the escro site so i dont know if its me or of its down.
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Hi,
I too am very interested in this... I am willing to take the plunge and order tomorrow if Ballzinator is too far off having the BTC ready. I was thinking of the order of 25 20 eur notes. If that goes well then I would look at the 50's.
Could we move the discussion to best practices when using, the detectable difference between these notes and real ones. repercussions if caught with one etc...
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Hi,
I too am very interested in this... I am willing to take the plunge and order tomorrow if Ballzinator is too far off having the BTC ready. I was thinking of the order of 25 20 eur notes. If that goes well then I would look at the 50's.
Could we move the discussion to best practices when using, the detectable difference between these notes and real ones. repercussions if caught with one etc...
I'll definitely need another week before getting BTC so if you could try out the service and tell us how it went, that'd be awesome :)
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Ok, I wouldn't mind going over a few bits with you guys before I order. Like spending practices, and which one is the actual real site> from what I gather its http://whmxwxv6lc22itzl.onion/euros.html right?
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I believe banks already found the 100$ bill ones in my area because someone was just passing them out like nothing. banks are taking them in for investigation. are these really that high quality? what differences are there with the counterfeit vs real?
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Ok, I wouldn't mind going over a few bits with you guys before I order. Like spending practices, and which one is the actual real site> from what I gather its http://whmxwxv6lc22itzl.onion/euros.html right?
Yes, that's the one.
Okay, here's what I would do:
Only use them in small shops and supermarkets or with drug dealers. Only use one bill at a time so in case you're caught, you can say you didn't know it was fake. Always have another real bill on hand so in case you're caught, you can still pay and take the fake one back and say you're gonna have its authenticity checked at a bank. Have only one fake bill on you at any time in case a checkout clerk calls the police. CCTV is your enemy. If you're gonna use the bills in a place where they have CCTV, wear completely different clothes every time and reveal as little of your identifiable features as possible. Use different combinations of head coverings, glasses, shoes and plain-colored clothes every time.
If caught, deny, deny, deny! Say you can't remember where you got the bill. It's also a good idea to not stash the bills at your home in case police obtain a search warrant (unlikely but I don't know what the laws are on this in different countries).
Did I forget anything?
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fuckingACE, I look forward to your report. Ballz hits it on the head, and I would go one further and use it only to buy up whatever retail commodity you could on a classified service that one would be able to simply resell in the same hour as giving the fakes out.
If you are willing to check for every single security feature, microprints, watermarks, metal strip, magnetic ink, simply everything possible to test, that could save everyone some grief and pain. Peace be with.
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Hi,
I am willing to test all of the above if you guys guide me a bit. I´m new to moody currency. What do we think of the expected quality of the notes? I will be making the purchace soon, just waiting for them to get back to me.
ACE
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I dont know if you read my post earlier in this thread, but I ordered some US 20 notes from them and I should have them soon( thats if he is legit)
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I dont know if you read my post earlier in this thread, but I ordered some US 20 notes from them and I should have them soon( thats if he is legit)
Thanks, keep us updated :)
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I have a feeling that even if the site is legit there will be a massive influx of orders they will start selective scamming.
I wish everyone well if this site is legit :) I think I may pop an order in myself if they're good.
Dank
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most places dont check to see if the bill is real
if it is a good enough fake a normal person would not be able to tell the difference
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someone order and find the differences! if its good CB will be back for sure =D
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I had a fist full of home made 20's back in high school. I went on a Fast Food circuit and bought $2-3 worth of items and use a 20 fake. I hit up 10+ Drive Thru on a route in town then dumped off the food I didn't eat to the first homeless person with a sign.
I am also wondering how complex of an identification screening an ATM has when you do a deposit via ATM into checking.
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I am also wondering how complex of an identification screening an ATM has when you do a deposit via ATM into checking.
This is probably the worst idea I've ever read on this forum.
Also waiting to see how this pans out. =)
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I have read a lot of feedback from different sites and forums, and so far it looks like WHMX do indeed produce counterfeits but its not of 10/10 quality.
Also a lot of packages have not been delivered, meaning either customs are on to it (highly unlikely) or they are selectively scamming people.
Another thing I found is that the escrow that they use have an interesting small print. Stating in the events of buyer claim, if the seller declines to refund, Acrimonious escrow gets to keep all of the money. Which leads me to believe that WHMX and AE could be run by the same people.
Be very careful!
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keep the updates UP 8)!!!
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I also am planning on buying. I just want one person to say, " I recieved a bill." Then I will be personally funding their operation because I'm so G
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subscribing.
want to see how this pans out
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I will order too in a few weeks, will post more as soon as I place my order / receive the money.
Bak
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Im interested but I would have to see some reputable feedback
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I won't use BMR. Everything on there seems dodgy to me. scammed 14 times? damn sorry to hear that. Have you had any successful transactions?
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BMR's escrow is real, but vendors are not as reliable for one reason .. or another.
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I do more business as a buyer on BMR than on SR because often the prices are just so much better and I've never been scammed. Am I unbelievably lucky or am I just doing everything right?
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unbelievably lucky is what i would say. but i havn't ordered anything off there so im not in a position of experience. I figured everyone just used SR or IRL.
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Made a transaction from WHXM yet?
In addition, does anyone have any feedback for cha0z he seems to offering a similar service. I have literally scoured forums etc for hours not once have I come across a person that's received their counterfeits. I don't think there is a market anywhere for this unless your directly involved in a gang of some sort.
Thanks,
UD
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Made a transaction from WHXM yet?
Nope, I'm waiting for feedback from other users who have ordered there.
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following this
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Any updates as to whether or not he is legit?
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So does anybody have good news?
Or what happened?
Is this legit, or just another scam?
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Scam unless proven otherwise, IMHO.
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All I know is that is more bad feedback posted on tordir about him.
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I just ran across this. I wish it was legit. Min 25 notes/ I could handle that. I just wanna see someone's feedback FFS.lol
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Posted this in another thread, hoping to get the word out. Did an order, as of still I am confident that it is a scam and I won't get my money back $250 usd :/ I would much rather he never get any business again if that is the case, and I will let it be known. I'm glad I only lost the $250. My experience:
I have placed an order over a month ago, this time he used Acrimonous2. It seems he changes websites and escrow sites frequently. Needless to say I still didn't get any product.. He told me he had to cancel the transaction and 'hopes I get the refund" I have still not received my refund, my transaction in escrow service was cancelled and Acrimonous2 is not responding to any of my messages. Definitely smells like a scam. I am trying to work with WHMX but if I don't get my money back soon I will be sure to make sure to get the word out.
I will update if I do in fact get anything back, but I would hold onto your money until then.
Btw this is the site I ordered from:
http://whmxwxv6lc22itzl.onion/dollars.html
he's the one with the whmx@lavabit and whmx20@tormail accounts
But honestly I believe the two sites are one and the same. Reasoning behind this: if you look at the file names of the images, they are 1)identical and 2)the modified ones are saved as "original image#+1". Would be simple for someone on the same computer to just one up the file when saving. Hope this makes sense.
Note:Edited to add link
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Posted this in another thread, hoping to get the word out. Did an order, as of still I am confident that it is a scam and I won't get my money back $250 usd :/ I would much rather he never get any business again if that is the case, and I will let it be known. I'm glad I only lost the $250. My experience:
I have placed an order over a month ago, this time he used Acrimonous2. It seems he changes websites and escrow sites frequently. Needless to say I still didn't get any product.. He told me he had to cancel the transaction and 'hopes I get the refund" I have still not received my refund, my transaction in escrow service was cancelled and Acrimonous2 is not responding to any of my messages. Definitely smells like a scam. I am trying to work with WHMX but if I don't get my money back soon I will be sure to make sure to get the word out.
I will update if I do in fact get anything back, but I would hold onto your money until then.
Btw this is the site I ordered from:
http://whmxwxv6lc22itzl.onion/dollars.html
he's the one with the whmx@lavabit and whmx20@tormail accounts
But honestly I believe the two sites are one and the same. Reasoning behind this: if you look at the file names of the images, they are 1)identical and 2)the modified ones are saved as "original image#+1". Would be simple for someone on the same computer to just one up the file when saving. Hope this makes sense.
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It is one of the older scams of the deep web. I used both sites and got scammed twice. It amazes me people still get scammed by the same old things.