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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: Tobacco2012 on March 08, 2012, 02:29 am

Title: Tobacco trading - advice request.
Post by: Tobacco2012 on March 08, 2012, 02:29 am
Hello everyone.
This is my first post ever. So I'm standing in front of you saying Hello everyone nice to meet you.

Anyway, lately i came up with an idea. So vast and complex, that only god himself would know whats it about, and yet very beautiful. And than I come with another one, simple, easy, simple and very easy, something for my brain capabilities.

At the beginning I have to apologize if I posted this thread in the wrong subforum - please move it to more appropriate place if available.
My thoughts was that I want for this post to be seen by as many users as it can. So I thought that this would be perfect place. If no sorry.

My Idea is that: I want to become seller on silk road market with one product. It is not "illegal" but, countries using various taxation on it, so it's transportation is limited within the EU.
I'm speaking of TOBACCO (hurray for captain obvious :P)
I have access to a very good quality (not branded but similar to Malrboro Gold in taste) cigarettes tobacco /rolling tobacco. Where one using cigarette tubes, can with 2 moves make a cigarette (you know what I'm talking about so I won't write any more) in sealed bag, preventing tobacco from drying, and unlikely moisturizing. By postal service, from EU to all European countries: with specification in prices and volume as follows:

25g for 3,65 EUR
50g for 6,25 EUR
100g for 12,5 EUR
150g for 17,5 EUR
250g for 27 EUR
500g for 50 EUR
1000g for 87 EUR

10g Samples 2,5 EUR  - for first 10 persons extra 15g of tobacco - for tasting and comments about the package, shipping, quality.

Including shipping and packing cost. Shipping Via postal service using Priority Unregistered mail, so it usual shipping time is 4 - 7 working days.

What do you think about that? If there is no interest in that kind of product, it is pointless to me to purchase the seller account for SR, If there will be interest in it I will gladly join the SR market an offer this products (later maybe I come up with something similar, snuff? pipe tobacco? and maybe paper cigarette tubes, + accessories?.

Please let me hear your thoughts about that idea of mine.
Much appreciate any comment.

*1000g lets me create about 60 pack of cigarettes (1200 pieces)
Title: Re: Tobacco trading - advice request.
Post by: grahamgreene on March 08, 2012, 02:38 am
This is something that I think many would be interested in. I myself would probably buy 25g/50g for every order I get shipped to my customers (I'm a dropshipper, ordering from SR directly to customers and taking a small percentage for myself.)

I wouldn't be any use for sample purposes, but if you do get a seller's account I'd definitely make a couple of test purchases.

Silk Road needs more legal products that offer money saving opportunities to customers in countries with high taxation. Best of luck with this!  :)

- grahamgreene
Title: Re: Tobacco trading - advice request.
Post by: wretched on March 08, 2012, 02:39 am
tobacco kills, you fool!
Title: Re: Tobacco trading - advice request.
Post by: anarkee on March 08, 2012, 06:49 am
haha, i've tried it but customs picks it up every time. funnily enough even with the bill they send me I can still get ciggies cheaper from OS than buying locally. if i could avoid customs somehow it would be an absolute bargain.
Title: Re: Tobacco trading - advice request.
Post by: Tobacco2012 on March 08, 2012, 11:17 am
haha, i've tried it but customs picks it up every time. funnily enough even with the bill they send me I can still get ciggies cheaper from OS than buying locally. if i could avoid customs somehow it would be an absolute bargain.

What country are you located in? And from what country the tobacco was shipped to you? I thought that if the small "other" stuff is delivered w/o problems, the tobacco wouldn't have much problem too. But maybe the 1kg packs wouldn't be so good idea at the beginning, and probably as I would be new user no one would buy bigger volumes.
But EU laws does allow one to cross border with 1kg of rolling tobacco, so the same things comes to postal service. That is why At the beginning I only want to ship within Europe.
It will be sealed in aluminum welded bags (similar to those "smelly proof" bags used in headshops for pot but much much larger).

Thank you for opinion, I will wait for more feedback but I must say I think I will start this thing.
Title: Re: Tobacco trading - advice request.
Post by: PlutoPete on March 08, 2012, 11:57 am
There's definitely interest in UK, but I'm a bit bothered by your description of it being for those machines and tubes. Usually tobacco for the tubes is much more bitty than regular rolling tobacco, how shredded your stuff is will make a big difference.
Title: Re: Tobacco trading - advice request.
Post by: SR_Seller_Accounts on March 08, 2012, 12:02 pm
Hello everyone.
This is my first post ever. So I'm standing in front of you saying Hello everyone nice to meet you.

Anyway, lately i came up with an idea. So vast and complex, that only god himself would know whats it about, and yet very beautiful. And than I come with another one, simple, easy, simple and very easy, something for my brain capabilities.

At the beginning I have to apologize if I posted this thread in the wrong subforum - please move it to more appropriate place if available.
My thoughts was that I want for this post to be seen by as many users as it can. So I thought that this would be perfect place. If no sorry.

My Idea is that: I want to become seller on silk road market with one product. It is not "illegal" but, countries using various taxation on it, so it's transportation is limited within the EU.
I'm speaking of TOBACCO (hurray for captain obvious :P)
I have access to a very good quality (not branded but similar to Malrboro Gold in taste) cigarettes tobacco /rolling tobacco. Where one using cigarette tubes, can with 2 moves make a cigarette (you know what I'm talking about so I won't write any more) in sealed bag, preventing tobacco from drying, and unlikely moisturizing. By postal service, from EU to all European countries: with specification in prices and volume as follows:

25g for 3,65 EUR
50g for 6,25 EUR
100g for 12,5 EUR
150g for 17,5 EUR
250g for 27 EUR
500g for 50 EUR
1000g for 87 EUR

10g Samples 2,5 EUR  - for first 10 persons extra 15g of tobacco - for tasting and comments about the package, shipping, quality.

Including shipping and packing cost. Shipping Via postal service using Priority Unregistered mail, so it usual shipping time is 4 - 7 working days.

What do you think about that? If there is no interest in that kind of product, it is pointless to me to purchase the seller account for SR, If there will be interest in it I will gladly join the SR market an offer this products (later maybe I come up with something similar, snuff? pipe tobacco? and maybe paper cigarette tubes, + accessories?.

Please let me hear your thoughts about that idea of mine.
Much appreciate any comment.

*1000g lets me create about 60 pack of cigarettes (1200 pieces)

Its a great idea if you can get someone stupid enough to fall for it.

You are buying pounds of tobacco from an online website or local Roll Your Own (RYO) smoke shop for $14 USD and selling that same pound for $87 USD on SR.

I buy my injectors, tubes, and tobacco from one of thousands of online RYO smoke Shops (use google to find them). The better shops give you free shipping on minimum order quantities. Buy bulk then just resstock when you get down to a pound. Shipping is UPS or FedEx ground and arrives within a couple days to a week.

Its cheap and legal.

Anyone new to RYO smokes, what you need is dual-purpose pipe-cut tobacco of your choice, cigarette tubes/ with filters, and an injector. I do not recommend a cheap injector. The expensive ones are well worth the extra money and will pay you back with quality injected cigs, with more efficiency, and the tobacco goes all the way to the filter. The cheaper injectors I have had problems with, so i bought the POWERMATIC II electric spoon injector. It cost alot but we have 3 people that smoke here in the house so we are always rolling our own.

PS--  the pipe-cut tobacco has been renamed as such because the feds started taxing each pound of cigarette-cut tobacco for $25 while the pipe-cut remains taxed at $2.50-$3 a pound. I suggest stocking up before the feds start taxing that as well. I buy 10 pounds a month and have 115 pounds so far in my prep storage. Soon as they start taxing that is when I stop buying and start slowing down my smoking to ween myself off it slowly with a huge stock pile :)
Title: Re: Tobacco trading - advice request.
Post by: Tobacco2012 on March 08, 2012, 12:39 pm
There's definitely interest in UK, but I'm a bit bothered by your description of it being for those machines and tubes. Usually tobacco for the tubes is much more bitty than regular rolling tobacco, how shredded your stuff is will make a big difference.

You are right. This tobacco is designed for tubes filing rather than hand rolling, Its not that shattered but it is not like "red bull's rolling tobacco with very long stripes" I will try to get some pictures of it this afternoon. From my experience I usually fill the tubes, but from time to time I roll my own (very very slim) using rolling machine and it come out quite nice. I'll try to roll it in hand but probably I will fail on that, I'm not so good at it.
I could get the branded tobacco like Red bull Aromatic Shag, Black Devil, Pueblos, most aromatic shags in price range of 6 to 8.4 EUR per 40g pack including shipping with priority mail. But it wouldn't be a big saving to the customers.



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Its a great idea if you can get someone stupid enough to fall for it.

You are buying pounds of tobacco from an online website or local Roll Your Own (RYO) smoke shop for $14 USD and selling that same pound for $87 USD on SR.

I buy my injectors, tubes, and tobacco from one of thousands of online RYO smoke Shops (use google to find them). The better shops give you free shipping on minimum order quantities. Buy bulk then just resstock when you get down to a pound. Shipping is UPS or FedEx ground and arrives within a couple days to a week.

Its cheap and legal.

Anyone new to RYO smokes, what you need is dual-purpose pipe-cut tobacco of your choice, cigarette tubes/ with filters, and an injector. I do not recommend a cheap injector. The expensive ones are well worth the extra money and will pay you back with quality injected cigs, with more efficiency, and the tobacco goes all the way to the filter. The cheaper injectors I have had problems with, so i bought the POWERMATIC II electric spoon injector. It cost alot but we have 3 people that smoke here in the house so we are always rolling our own.

PS--  the pipe-cut tobacco has been renamed as such because the feds started taxing each pound of cigarette-cut tobacco for $25 while the pipe-cut remains taxed at $2.50-$3 a pound. I suggest stocking up before the feds start taxing that as well. I buy 10 pounds a month and have 115 pounds so far in my prep storage. Soon as they start taxing that is when I stop buying and start slowing down my smoking to ween myself off it slowly with a huge stock pile :)
Wasn't aware of that RYO things, but in what country are you? I presume that its US, and most online RYOs I have found so far is located in US and ships to US only - or if I'm mistaken sorry for that. Plus I'm not searching for any fools to fall for it. It just I can get the tobacco in that price, I do believe that maybe somewhere is a place where the tobacco is cheaper. One of my friend have access to Tobacco leafs which has to be prepared first, it taste funny thou and its very hard to prepare - at least for me.



PS. I have tried to add image to this post but some error occurred (the file was only 50k). So I placed it in imageshack http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/426/tobaccos.jpg
This tobacco is medium cut ideal for tubing, but on special request it can be long cut. So there probably be 2 types long for hand rolling and medium for tubing + probably light and strong type.
Title: Re: Tobacco trading - advice request.
Post by: Tobacco2012 on March 08, 2012, 11:17 pm
Thank you for moving the thread. It seems to be better place for it.

Any suggestion for new seller?

After reading forum a bit I encountered the fees that where not listed in any guides:
 As I will be a new Vendor I can offer that the transaction fees (if I'm correct it is 10% below 50$ + 4%escrow fee?) for first 10 - 20 user to be on my side (except these 4%)
But after I will be established trusted seller I could offer splitting the fees 50/50. So the product cost would look like that:

25g for 3,65 EUR  +4% = 3,8 EUR
50g for 6,25 EUR +4%  = 6,5 EUR
100g for 12,5 EUR +4%= 13 EUR
150g for 17,5 EUR +4%= 18,2 EUR
250g for 27 EUR +4% = 28,08 EUR
500g for 50 EUR +0% = 50 EUR
1000g for 87 EUR +0%= 87 EUR

10g Samples = for symbolic 1.14 EUR (for first 10 customers)

After positive feedback:

25g for 3,65 EUR  +7% = 3,91 EUR
50g for 6,25 EUR +7%  = 6,69 EUR
100g for 12,5 EUR +7%= 13.38 EUR
150g for 17,5 EUR +7%= 18,73 EUR
250g for 27 EUR +7% = 28,9 EUR
500g for 50 EUR +4% = 52 EUR
1000g for 87 EUR +4%= 90,5 EUR

What do you think about it?
Or I am wrong with the commission fees on SR ?


*All the prices are meant to be FINAL no other hidden fees and including priority shipping.
Service will be available only for European Countries.

Thank you for your response in advance. If you would have other question please ask. I'll try my best to answer them all and follow all the guidelines for becoming new seller.
Title: Re: Tobacco trading - advice request.
Post by: SR_Seller_Accounts on March 09, 2012, 06:22 am
25g for 3,65 EUR  +7% = 3,91 EUR
50g for 6,25 EUR +7%  = 6,69 EUR
100g for 12,5 EUR +7%= 13.38 EUR
150g for 17,5 EUR +7%= 18,73 EUR
250g for 27 EUR +7% = 28,9 EUR
500g for 50 EUR +4% = 52 EUR
1000g for 87 EUR +4%= 90,5 EUR

What do you think about it?

Since you asked what I think about it, I will tell you. I think its a rip off.

Here is just one website of thousands selling Roll Your Own tobacco.

http://www.ryocigarette.com/tobacco1.html

That's a pound (454 grams) of decent tobacco for $14.69 - $29.95 USD depending on variety chosen.
Title: Re: Tobacco trading - advice request.
Post by: Tobacco2012 on March 09, 2012, 10:16 am
Once again. Is this ROY for US? I think yes. That is why I want to offer this service for European countries not US. Or you are outside US and have been ordering from that site to Europe or any other world country? If no, please I understand so far that you wont be a customer for the tobacco I have to offer. But maybe you have any headlines to me as a new seller?

Anyone else from Europe have any thoughts?