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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: Waster7 on February 06, 2012, 01:03 am
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Total noob here.
I am looking for any Irish (ROI) people who have successfully purchased goods with SR, and are kind enough to help me regarding security and Bitcoins. Thank you.
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Sorry to dissapoint you, but there's no one from Ireland on here anymore, us british kicked them off the forum I'm afraid 8)
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I'll go drink excessively somewhere else then, sorry to bother ya ;)
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All you need to know about Ireland is that in the late spring/summer they seize packages like crazy because students are all out of school and have temporary customs positions and they open EVERYTHING
As soon as school starts up they go back to their regular useless state, so order up everything you want until school is out
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There're a few Irish heads knocking about the forums, we breed like rabbits drifter, there's no getting rid of us! :P
Waster7, I'd be happy to help you out, but discussing things in the thread would be best, I think, as anyone with the same problem in future could use it as a point of reference.
- grahamgreene
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Derpasaurus - Thank you very much, and how do you know this?
grahamgreene - Haha, quite true.
1. Do I need to pinch myself, is this really possible? :D
2. Have you had success with receiving Ecstasy from the Netherlands? If not, what have you had success with?
3. I have downloaded the basic TOR (Tor, Vidalia, Polipo, and Torbutton) and I am accessing SR and this forum, do I need to take any other measures for security?
4. Can I purchase Bitcoins with money in a Perm TSB account?
Thank you.
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Waster it is really possible, I have only bought weed and hash myself here in Scotland but packages have come with no problem from Holland and Sweden as well as in the UK for me. They are always well done and looking from the outside you would never know what was in them.
Security wise I think there are people who go overboard but what you have done is what I do and I am alright so far :D I purchase bitcoin with my Bank account via Intersango, just put them into another wallet from there before I move them on to SR as well.
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Step 1: Walk into an O2 store in a high people volume area, e.g. Dublin city centre
* Step 2: Give fake details and buy an O2 Money Card, WITH CASH
Step 3: Top up card, WITH CASH
Step 4: Register a tormail email address with Intersango, USING TOR
Step 5: Sign into O2 card's portal, USING TOR
Step 6: Transfer money to Intersango account, incurring €5 charge
Step 7: Buy Bitcoins on Intersango
Step 8: Transfer Bitcoins to SR
Step 9: Buy stuff on SR
Step 10: Wait for post to arrive
Step 11: Check card's balance, WITH TOR
Step 12: See step 3 :)
* May require giving a mobile number for verification.
NB: I haven't done this yet, but it sounds solid to me.
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Thank you for the replies.
Also: How I don't understand the exchange/prices of Bitcoins.
Is there a detailed guide for SR beginners anywhere?
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Thank you for the replies.
Also: How I don't understand the exchange/prices of Bitcoins.
Is there a detailed guide for SR beginners anywhere?
Welcome Waster7, I've seen a few Irish buyers in the past. Bitcoins is very straightforward although it can seem terribly complicated and scary even to the uninitiated. Bitcoins are pegged to the dollar but you can see them valued against the Euro too on most exchanges. There are two types of exchanges for bitcoins, what I refer to as primary and secondary... a primary exchange (Mtgox being the main one that handles 80% of Bitcoin exchange) is where you deal anonymously and buy directly from the market. Just like buying any foreign currency really. The secondary markets are more like traditional marketplaces where buyers and sellers meet (of which bitmarket.eu is a popular one) and you make an offer to buy and if someone accepts, you transfer funds directly to the seller of the bitcoins.. I have used both sites and dealt both with primary and secondary markets...I think the primary market is better as you get better exchange rates and more fluctuation on price....but on the secondary market, it can be quicker sometimes to get your hands on the bitcoins if you buy from someone in the same country (ive had my coins in under 2 hours before)..on the primary market you can expect to wait a day or two.
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Derpasaurus - Thank you very much, and how do you know this?
grahamgreene - Haha, quite true.
1. Do I need to pinch myself, is this really possible? :D
2. Have you had success with receiving Ecstasy from the Netherlands? If not, what have you had success with?
3. I have downloaded the basic TOR (Tor, Vidalia, Polipo, and Torbutton) and I am accessing SR and this forum, do I need to take any other measures for security?
4. Can I purchase Bitcoins with money in a Perm TSB account?
Thank you.
1. Entirely possible, and entirely safe once you take the necessary precautions! :)
2. Not an ecstacy user myself, but I and people I know have received various quantities of weed from both Canada and the US, ephedrine from Canada, and viagra from Sweden.
Out of all of these, only 1 package of weed was sent to customs for valuation (they usually just check the label and apply a value on it), released from customs after 2 days, then promptly lost by An Post. It was never checked back into the system after customs, so I assume someone in An Post either nicked it or else forgot to tag it and it's sitting in a trolley of random mail somewhere in the An Post abyss.
A replace package was send free of charge as per the vendors insurance policy, so I didn't make a loss on it.
3. I personally don't know enough about security to tell you if what you're doing is entirely safe; personally I like to access Tor either using public wi-fi (always in a corner with my back to the wall and laptop facing me, ensuring there aren't any cameras that could view my screen, or window reflections that could be seen or captured), or else using a pre-pay mobile broadband stick bought using a false identity, and connecting with it at various locations. All of this may be a little overboard, or it may not even be enough, but it's worked for me thus far.
4. You can buy BTC through your bank account by using one of the sellers over at www.bitcoin-otc.com on the clearweb.
Click on "Web view of the open order book." Set 'type' to SELL, 'thing' to BTC, and 'otherthing' to EUR and click filter. You can click on the nicknames of the sellers to see their ratings, along with the price they're currently charging; 'yossarian' and 'sonba' seem to have the best ratings, so I'd go with them. I know people who've dealt with 'yossarian' before for large amounts and there were no problems at all.
Email the seller first from a brand new gmail/hotmail account that you ONLY use to buy BTC from this person, and discuss a rate with them. They'll lock in at that rate for a few hours, and you go to the bank and set up the transfer (you usually have to go into the bank to set up the transfer for the first time, but any future transfers to the same person can be done by online banking.) Buying Bitcoins is completely legal, so ensure you never use that email account to discuss anything illegal.
You'll make the purchase by SEPA transfer (European inter-bank transfer) and the seller will get the money within 3 business days - sometimes same day, sometimes the second day, sometimes the third; I've no idea what makes the payments faster, but early morning transfers are always advisable. Ulster Bank seem to be able to process it same-day. After working with the seller a few times, they'll normally ask you for a screenshot or scan of the transfer and they'll send you the BTC once you provide them with proof of transfer, so it's entirely possible to have your coins within an hour of making payment.
There are many ways to buy Bitcoin - Mt. Gox etc. - but most ask for ID these days, and the average person here in Ireland wouldn't necessarily have fake documents / identification for this purpose. To sum it up, Bitcoin-otc, I find, is the easiest way to go about acquiring BTC using your bank account.
Hope your eyes aren't too sore after reading that. :P
(watmm's process also seems excellent! You can buy throwaway mobile numbers / phones for next to nothing, but I think O2 actually send the pin for the card out to you in the post - might be wrong on that one, but sure check it out!)
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4 xactions to the wesht without probs so far.. fingers crossed :)
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Thank you all.
Quite disappointed with the exchange of Euro to Bitcoin, really hoped that it would be something like 3.0 - 3.5 :(
Works out even more expensive then buying off a dealer in real life, I was looking to buy E in bulk and extort the high Irish E prices.
Is there any ways to make Bitcoins fast?
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The price of BTC rises and falls.. I recently bought over 700 coins, and got them for €2.64 each. I would have gotten them cheaper, but get-bitcoin.com had some Western Union issues and delayed my purchase; eventually I had to cancel that order and order on bitcoin-otc. But I got them in the end, and over the next couple of days they'd risen to over €5.00, which meant that the value of my coins nearly doubles. I still had 700+ coins, but they were now worth a $ USD amount nearly twice what they were; this allowed me to purchase twice as much on Silk Road as the prices here are generally pegged to the dollar, and Bitcoin's dollar value rises and falls depending on a range of factors.
Check www.bitcointalk.org on the clearweb, have a read around the forums there and try wrap your head around the idea of Bitcoin. The price goes up and down a lot, going through frequent price adjustments when the prices go wildly out of control (though I have no idea how these happen; I just know that they do!), and generally remains in a stable $0.20c - #$0.40c for a period of time before the next rise / fall.
Ideally, due to the fluctuation in the currency, you'd want to buy coins as you need them, transfer them to SR, and make your purchase as quickly as possible but our current options here in Ireland are quite limited.
I always make sure I have at least 15 BTC in a reserve wallet in order to cover myself for any currency fluctuations that may occur. If I have to use some of that to make a purchase on SR, I put twice as much back into my reserve pot, thus ensuring that I'll have enough coin to complete a transaction if the price swings wildly all of a sudden; building a reserve in Bitcoin also makes sure that I don't spend all my money in the real world, hoping for the time when Bitcoin has another huge surge in value, allowing me then to cash some of it out and drive off into the sunset in my Bitcoin-purchased Ferrari. :P
As I said in the other reply, it may be a good idea to open up an Ulster Bank account if you want to get your BTC same day by going through the SEPA transfer route. They won't always be there the same day, but that's been the case for a few friends of mine recently when they make early morning transfers.
You can make money and lose money buying Bitcoin, but factor a 5% drop in value into your overheads for selling E and you'll generally have yourself covered.
Buying off a dealer in real life over here might get you cheaper E, but the quality of the E on here is in a world of it's own, especially compared to what we get on the streets here. I used to buy bulk amounts of weed at €7 a gram and sell it on for between €10 and €13 a gram depending on the quality, and that was usually with sprayed stuff. Now I can provide customers with completely clean product at a better price than the same clean product sells for over here, and at a better price. I'm sell higher volumes now at cheaper prices, which means I'm actually making MORE money than I was before, and providing my customers with better quality product.
Once your customers see the quality of your E, they'll pay a premium for it!
- grahamgreene
- grahamgreene
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Yes I see, thank you.
Also want to hear from Irish people who order to their own home address. (Using different address not possible)
Do you have to sign for it, or is it sent through the door?
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Depends on what the seller is offering. Some require registered mail but obfuscate it / provide an alibi.
This thread is worth reading http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=346.0
The consensus is to use your real name, and address. But of course many will disagree.
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Nothing huge, maybe a Oz of grass at most. (Size wise)
Thanks, great thread.
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I've had three orders, two to my home address (Limerick).
The first, in December, was pills from Amsterdam. This was intercepted by customs, they sent me a letter.
The second, to a mates house, got through. (nBOMe from the US).
The third, to my home, got through. (pills from the UK)
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just wonderin watmm what is the 02 portal thing.im new to this sorry:)
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Sinn Féin!
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Hi guys,
Fairly new here myself. Bought and sold under a different handle but decided to set back up my account with a new name.
Get in touch :)
p.s - R.I.P Alan Ryan (me bollix)
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I know it is fairly safe as I ship to a INN over there and never had a problem
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hi
does anyone know if canada is considered a red flag country?
i.e similar to nederlands
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I have a steady customer every month in Dublin and he has never said a parcel has not arrived been sending to him for 5+ months
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Story lads?! I have use this road a few times. Hit and miss ordering from canada/holland and well known "drug producing states"... Try and order from less known states. Still 90%+ success rate here. I used a poker site to transfer my cash to bitcoins using my laser card, mix the bitcoins up and I was raring to go :P
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thks for the replies
ive heard the same about Canada being hit or miss coming into Ireland. its a pity because there's a Canadian vendor i really want to try.
irishcrainn,
any idea what went wrong when ur packages didn't show? maybe bad packaging etc?
hard to tell when u never saw it i guess
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A quick note to say that Canada can be hit and miss. I had a friend who used to get bud from a different (clearnet) site, the service was patchy but most, possibly all, no-shows were during the late spring/summer so that ties in with Derpasaurus. Might be worth noting that she only ever got one customs notice so it might just've been sticky fingers on the Canadian side.
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Well lads, what's the craic? ;)
Very informative thread here and will certainly help me get BTC without using the dodgy BTC vendors on SR. Another website i've seen to buy BTC is wm-center.com. Has anyone used it? You have to verify your identity with them though, which may put some people off.
As far as ordering and receiving goes, I've been buying on SR for a few months now and i've had loads of success getting orders from NL. I've had MDMA, LSD and pills from there. I always use my real name and get it sent to my own address, or my girlfriends. One package from Amsterdam never made it and the seller said he re-sent it and that never made it either. Other than that, it was all hunky dory. The package that didn't arrive was actually during the Summer, so that could tie in with a previous poster's theory about the college student's being hired by customs during the Summer.
For me, the quality of the drugs on here is top notch and much better than everything I can find locally. It also helps with the paranoia when you don't have to meet dealers on the street!! Waster7, your customers will return for a long time if you sell them premium pills from here. I'd highly recommend the blue defcons...they are BANGING pills :)
Take it easy lads and stay safe,
Psy
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Hi Neewbie here too.
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From Ireland, bought from the road, got bitcoins through cash in the mail (there are a number of people who do it), they sent me the bitcoins and i put them through bitcoinfog before sending them to the road. I ordered hash had no problem getting it, arrived a week after I put in the order. If they ask you to sign, dont do it, losing a few euros on a package is a lot better than going to prison.
Anyone go shrooming yet by the way, I'm having very bad luck this year think I left it too late, thoughts?
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From Ireland, bought from the road, got bitcoins through cash in the mail (there are a number of people who do it), they sent me the bitcoins and i put them through bitcoinfog before sending them to the road. I ordered hash had no problem getting it, arrived a week after I put in the order. If they ask you to sign, dont do it, losing a few euros on a package is a lot better than going to prison.
Anyone go shrooming yet by the way, I'm having very bad luck this year think I left it too late, thoughts?
Where are you sourcing the people selling BTC for cash in the mail?...if you don't mind me asking of course!
I left it a bit late for the shrooms myself as I was away on holidays. :(
Plenty of trippy things on SR to make up for it!
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You guys talking about getting bitcoins through your bank account i.e aib/boi, how safe is that?Online Banking? Still a bit bewildered here,
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I got them off a guy called vla1m1r on the forums who was based in engalnd, hes gone now though think he pulled a fast on a couple of weeks ago... Im on 1 bitcoin now and I need to get more now, I wonder how safe using a 3V card is? To lensip are you on the road?
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Since the Barclays MTgox account is down I've been looking at other ways to purchase. I've been think of getting a UKash voucher cashing it on CashU and using it to get Bitcoins through Bitcoin Nordic. Anyone have any experience with this? Or does anyone have any other suggestions? I've seen a guy on Local Bitcoins selling in Galway but he is only selling minimum 50 and I don't have that much to invest at this time.
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Nearing 10 transactions here. I'd avoid buying from the Netherlands completely. 1 of 2 of my orders there were seized and I've had to subscribe to a maildrop service because my address is now permanently flagged. Didn't have any seizure troubles throughout summer, buying mostly small amounts of powder. Research your vendors religiously before committing to a purchase.
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what do ye think of international money transfer from bank to mt.gox to instawallet to SR. Would ye think this is secure. Mad to get me hands on these fucking bitcoins. Newbie here. Been lurking for a while. Still trying to get my head round it.
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As already pointed out by Pine in a previous post, because of the low population in countries such as Ireland it is easier to trace traffic in and out of nodes.
Without even doing that we are 95% certain we have identified a poster in this thread. It took all of 5 minutes to find exactally the same language and comments in places with photos of the user by using google.
PLEASE TAKE MORE CARE OF WHAT YOU POST
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Step 1: Walk into an O2 store in a high people volume area, e.g. Dublin city centre
* Step 2: Give fake details and buy an O2 Money Card, WITH CASH
Step 3: Top up card, WITH CASH
Step 4: Register a tormail email address with Intersango, USING TOR
Step 5: Sign into O2 card's portal, USING TOR
Step 6: Transfer money to Intersango account, incurring €5 charge
Step 7: Buy Bitcoins on Intersango
Step 8: Transfer Bitcoins to SR
Step 9: Buy stuff on SR
Step 10: Wait for post to arrive
Step 11: Check card's balance, WITH TOR
Step 12: See step 3 :)
* May require giving a mobile number for verification.
NB: I haven't done this yet, but it sounds solid to me.
O2 cards now require address verification also
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Well if you have covered your tracks, shut the fuck up and cut your losses.
If you have not, lay low.
Not really a good idea to put it up on a forum where it was seized.
They arent the thickest bunch in the world, so they could well deliver it and hopefully give you some time with it, and then nick you with it, ignore the importation charge, and just do you for
possession and possession with intent. Wont really come into it there where it came from.
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Someone was asking above about Bitcoins for cash in the post.
Probably one of the simplest, safest way of getting Bitcoins is using the anonymous cash in the post option by BitcoinNordic. The cons are that it's 9% more expensive, and takes 3-4 days.
Step by step guide for newbies:
Go to bitcoinnordic.com
Choose Cash/Check.
Use an email address from tormail.org
Enter the amount in euros you want to buy.
Go to instawallet.org, copy the BTC address you're given (starts with 1) into the Bitcoin Nordic form.
** Make sure you save the instawallet.org/w/.... address which is highlighted in red. This is your only key to your bitcoins, you can't recover it if it's lost.
The BitcoinNordic site will then give you a reference code and the postal address. Put cash and a note with the reference number on it in an envelope and send it to the BitcoinNordic address in Copenhagen.
Give it 3-4 business days and check your Instawallet for the funds. You can then send these to your SR account.
(Note: there's an option on BitcoinNordic form about inside or outside EU. You can choose outside and save a bit on VAT. They have no way of knowing what country your Bitcoins are being received in)
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Anyone else having customs trouble recently/at the moment?
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Anyone else having customs trouble recently/at the moment?
I haven't had any trouble...touch wood it stays like that. One of my friends had a seizure notice a couple of weeks ago for a bit of weed though.
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Howdy lado's,
How can you tell if your address has been flagged?
If you've used a false name it'd be tough to prove but i suppose one can always get raided.
I personally won't be orderin' from the dam (again). Too dodge. They probly get one bag of mail from there every day and go through it fairly thoroughly for obvious reasons.
Not a good idea to use the same address regularly.
Be wide.
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How's she cutting lads?!!
New Irish vendor here, selling MDMA. Hoping to get established on the Road and I am currently sending out a few free samples. If anyone is interested in a free sample, check out my thread here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90329.0
Cheers,
MM