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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Pills4thrills on February 02, 2012, 01:50 pm
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Vendors beware! BTC Buddy(99) is offering to buy your BTC from you, but don't DARE to ask him ANY questions. Just follow his rules, and don't ask him for any alternatives to what he offers. Here's a little example of his communication ettiquette:
ME: hello, i AM A REPUTABLE VENDOR HERE ON THE SILK Road, I've been here 6 months. Do U have any way of paying for BTC's electronically? I believe DWOLLA can send & receive cash...
BTC Buddy: WAIT... you want $ IN DWOLLA? RED FLAG, MAN!!! Houston, WE HAVE A PROBLEM! I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU. MY safety and liberty are just to important to me. I do not do business w/LE.
me: ok, how do U pay vendors?
BTC Buddy: Mp codes. USD in the mail. Bank wires on big deals. No harm in telling you that.
I am uncertain about you. I am very leery. I do not believe you. Just so I am clear. Not rude, honest.
Me: Well, I invite you to check out my feedback where over the 6 months I've been here, I received a 5/5 on 40 transactions, and a 4/5 on 2 more. Also, in the community forums, their is a review thread about my services, where at least half a dozen buyers (one of them being a reputable vendor on the Road) have praised my services.
BTC Buddy: 6months/40+ transactions, please. I check on everyone that approaches me to do business. :) TRUE, you have been here longer. One difference, NO ONE and I mean NO ONE thinks of me LE. And I do of you, sorry.
I hope I am wrong but do not want to take the chance. I do not want to play the message me back game. I will consider this matter closed.
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Check out my profile, I have been here since JULY. I have been a buyer 3 MONTHS LONGER THAN HE'S BEEN HERE, and a vendor for 1.5 times longer than he has. I wasn't pushy, or demanding, I simply sent him an inquiry, and this prick has the audacity to call me LE, even though I have with feedback and forum threads praising me for my services providing buyers with quality pharmaceuticals. He rips buyers off, overcharging them for BTC's. If you're a vendor thinking of selling him your BTC, don't bother with it, he's a rude little bastard, out to make money off both buyers and vendors alike.
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He has a right to refuse any business offer he dislikes. Reading messages you posted I don't see anything that would justify calling him "rude paranoid bitch". You, on the other hand...
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Personally I think BTC Buddy's response was measured and fair; he stated that he wouldn't use Dwolla, and you still pushed the issue by asking him to check out your feedback etc. Granted, bringing the whole "LE" thing into it was a little unnecessary, but he seems to have felt unsure of you, and decided not to do business with you, and by hinting at an LE issue stated as much very clearly. I doubt he would've posted a thread here saying "I think Pills4thrills is LE", which says a lot about him, and by this thread, also says a lot about you.
I'm presume that you, being a vendor, would also decline to conduct business with someone you had a bad feeling about?
No need to post an insulting thread on the forums, in my opinion at least.
- grahamgrreene
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I think you guys should go to "business" aka "king4" aka "fatjoe" who all vouch for him
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How dare he question such a long standing merchant who has been here for yea...err months. These guys who found SR last fall think everyone should bow down to them, haha.
Looks to me like he was being cautious with who he wanted to do business with. Judging by the immature title of your thread, it looks like he made the correct choice.
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BTC Buddy has been around a lot longer than you tough guy...sorry.
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BTC Buddy has been a vendor for 4 months. I have been a buyer for 7 months, and a vendor for 6. You're wrong, Bobby
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BTC Buddy has been around longer than he has had a vendor account
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Well, he's only been a vendor 4 months, to my 6. I was around too before I became a vendor. Besides, I got more "inside scoop" info from a reputable seller that's been around longer that all of us, BTC Buddy has issues and is doing some things that are jeopardizing his own safety.
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You're entitled to your own opinion Pills4thrills, but in this here utopia I'm a firm believer in gut instinct, 'black or white' transactions....ie if you're gut says 'no', then follow it, bc a if it ain't black or white, yes or no, then its a grey area.....and a grey area is where you'll get F'd in the A.
be it by a scammer or worse, LE.
I've had some retail MP-BTC transactions with BTC Buddy and he is nothing but fast, courteous, and responsive in my experience.
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Its actually better to find a vendor who refuses your order than to encounter a scam who con you by the hundreds.
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BTC Buddy: WAIT... you want $ IN DWOLLA? RED FLAG, MAN!!! Houston, WE HAVE A PROBLEM! I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU. MY safety and liberty are just to important to me. I do not do business w/LE.
I don't know if it is the real words used in the messages but anyway, swearing someone to be LE is an insult in the real business, don't say that in the steets, where i am it can finish really bad :) That's cool to be 'anonymous' :)
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Dwolla = extremely traceable
MoneyPak = for all intents & purposes, untraceable.
Would you send a personal check from YOUR checkbook to an SR vendor in lieu of BTC?
No.
Works the other way when converting BTC to dolla dolla bills (or euros, etc)
And any vendor worth his spit would know this....
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I've done numerous MP to btc exchanges and never had any trouble with BTC Buddy. I don't even ask if he has coins anymore. I just send the code and the amount and usually within hours he sends the btc. In my experience, he is rarely offline or out of btc for more than a day. Even if it says he's out or offline you can still send the MP code and dollar amount by private message or preferably by placing an order so you can leave feedback and he'll take care of you when he comes back with btc. He has never been rude or acted paranoid to me.
I have wondered if MrDdro is somehow connected to BTC Buddy since they each have links to the other's listings from their pages or it might just be a mutual advertising agreement and nothing more. I don't want to spread any false information. This is just my idle speculation. One could make quite the killing selling the btc to buy your own stuff. It's like getting paid twice for the same purchase. Once for the coins and once for the goods. 8)
On a side note, I recently sent a few MP codes with amounts to BTCKing, Sugar Mama, and BTCpal along with BTCBuddy to get the coins as quickly as I could. This was quite risky because I might not even be able to figure out who ripped me off since I sent the same code to more than one trader in a couple instances. I'm happy that none of them ripped me off. BTCKing said he doesn't take MP anymore and Sugar Mama was too busy to exchange them in less than a couple days. BTCpal and BTC Buddy both had the coins in my account in less than a day. ;D
As a counter to my excessive enthusiasm for the aforementioned btc barrons, I admit that I fully trusted SYG with my MP's and he turned into a piece of shit scammer. >:( I was lucky not to get hit probably because I did mostly small transactions of $100 to $200 and he was looking for bigger payouts. I feel bad that the positive feedback I posted for him could have caused others to get ripped off. :( Read everything you can about a vendor through feedback and the forums then decide if you are comfortable giving them your money. Remember, you have little recourse and will more than likely lose all the money you sent if your vendor decides today's the day to go rogue.
Another vendor told me something about one of my transactions with BTC Buddy that seems unusual, but it doesn't appear to threaten me in any way so I'm not worried. I hope he is playing the game safe and doing things the best way possible, if not legally, at least as securely and anonymously as he can because I'd hate to see him get in any trouble and lose my bestest BTC Buddy. :'(
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Pills4Thrills your definitely wrong on this one. Dwolla will work ok for buyers if they tumble it properly. But, a vendor should never transfer directly into Dwolla. It's totally traceable.
BTC Buddy is spot on to have his gut feeling. And it's probably good to be paranoid on SR.
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Mp-btc exchange pose risk just because its on SR or related to SR. There is nothing illegal in btc exchange though.
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Mp-btc exchange pose risk just because its on SR or related to SR. There is nothing illegal in btc exchange though.
My understanding is that it's risky, not because it's on SL but, because it bypasses SL and doesn't go through escrow.
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Check out my profile, I have been here since JULY.
Yeah you could of been compromised by LE. I agreed with you up to here.
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BTCbuddy isn't breaking the law, so he shouldn't be paranoid.
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Check out my profile, I have been here since JULY.
Yeah you could of been compromised by LE. I agreed with you up to here.
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BTCbuddy isn't breaking the law, so he shouldn't be paranoid.
I'm not so sure. From the LE perspective he might be guilty of money laundering. Or possibly even tax evasion. I don't really know his situation any more than others but, if I were him, I'd be a little paranoid too. Paranoia is sometimes good, it's not always bad. I imagine the LE would go after anybody on here if they could, just to get their foot in the door. Especially LE from the states. I would imagine they are drooling over the possibility of bringing SR down.
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I haven't been compromised by LE, I'm still selling controlled substances left and right. Look at my feedback. Besides, like I sais, after hearing what I heard from one of the 1st vendors here, I don't even want to do business with "BTC Buddy" any more. He was WAY out of line calling me LE, while I continued to operate and provide buyers with quality product, and maintain a good feedback rating between 97 and 98% overall on 57 transactions.
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If he doesn't want to do business with you, he doesn't have to.
If you wanted him to send money to your Dwolla account that sounds like an unreasonable request, even if requested by a long-time well-established vendor, simply because of the risk involved. Dwolla accounts are often liked to identifiable information. He doesn't know who you are in real life. Without knowing that, it's best to assume that you are LE, no offense intended. It's just about being cautious, and weighing the risk/reward of a scenario.
Just withdraw your BTC and sell it on an exchange. Then withdraw your money to Dwolla. You'll probably end up with more currency that way anyway. You're basically asking a vendor to put themselves in a compromising position because you're too lazy to perform one extra step.
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Yeah but to acuse me of LE for simply inquiring on something I don't know about, he was out of line
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Pills4Thrills please just shush
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It was stupid to suggest a dwolla transfer. First off, it should be obvious to you that's traceable. If that's not immediately obvious to you, you're either full of it or stupid. In either case, I can see why that would be enough for somebody to not want to this sort of transaction with you.
Because I suspect it's more of an issue that you're just not technology savvy, I'll point this out: if you had simply said "How do we transfer the money?" instead of adding "How about Dwolla?", you'd never have been in this spot.
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Well here's the thing: I wasn't insisting on using Dwolla, I was INQUIRING. I didn't know how unsafe it was. TELL ME THAT,AND and tell me what form of funds transfers ARE SAFE. Don't be a douche bag & start screaming "LE! LE!" I've been selling controlled substances on this site since July, and have several posts in my review forum here. C'mon, now, how fucking much proof out does one need to be a trusted source? 100 transactions? 250 transactions? 500 transactions? C'mon guys, seriously, people that have been here since spring buy from me with confidence, vendors have vouched for me in my review thread, and I have a 99% rating on 65 transactions. If someone who has a long standing history here is doing something unsafe, EDUCATE THEM, don't fuckin' brand him LE. That's just fucked up.
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@ Pills4thrills
How many weeks has this thread gone on?
YOU fucked up, plain and simple.
YOU suggested a course of action that anyone with a slice of intelligence, OR who has done even a little bit of research here, should have known better than to try.
YOU should have just said *mea culpla* and moved on. (Or, *Sorry, I fucked up!* to put it in the vernacular you may understand.)
Try saying it to yourself a few times, just to get the hang of it--"Sorry, I fucked up."
Then, shut the fuck up.
You'll get a lot more respect from folks--and you're getting none now--than you will with your current course of action.
You weren't burned, scammed, cheated or lied to. You fucked up, and as a result your poor little feelings were hurt, and hurt in private, not on the boards.
You dimish yourself in everyones eyes with every post you've made in this thread.
<stop-yer-sniveling.gif>
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wow, ok, fine, I'll shut up. But I did get backing through PM from established vendors who didn't want to post publicly, so I know I am not 100% out of line. This will be my last post to this thread. Visit my review thread here if you want to hear what people that have delt with me think of my services:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=5401
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He seems like an honest guy to me. I would say the same thing to you.
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Mods- can you please close this one up? Nothing of value has come from this and the title and some of the posts are unnecessarily inflammatory.