markgorge2012, this is the issue as it currently stands:You performed an OOE (Out Of Escrow) off-site (not on Silk Road) transaction. You sent payment to this person via Western Union. You now expect Silk Road Administrators to help you sort out the issue. It is NOT their responsibility to do so.If you had read the Buyer's Guide (which you actually receive a message about when you open up a new account) you would see that Out Of Escrow transactions are not allowed here. Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse for not following them.This is a direct quote from the 'Payment' section of the Buyer's Guide (http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/buyers_guide):Quote from: Silk Road Buyer's GuideNOTICE: If your seller instructs you to pay directly, outside of the escrow system, or with any other method than through the site checkout system, you should report it immediately to our support staff via the "contact us" link along with any evidence you can provide. If you do pay your seller directly, there will be no way for us to protect you from fraud. Silk Road has absolutely no responsibility to you, or to anyone, to chase this up.You claim you have proof that you sent $6000 to 'PILL popperz'. You do not. You have a Western Union transaction receipt stating that you sent $6000 to Person XYZ. Even if that person's actual name for the purposes of picking up a Western Union transfer was 'PILL popperz', there is no proof that that PILL popperz is the same person selling on Silk Road under the 'PILL popperz' nickname.You have absolutely NO comeback here, and you have absolutely NO proof that PILL popperz has scammed you. You have proof that you sent a $6000 Western Union transaction to a second party; nothing more. PILL popperz is a vendor with a perfect reputation here and had you indeed placed an order with them, I'm sure you would have been satisfied with the outcome. It seems that you did not place an order with them, or if you did, you did so out of escrow.Quote from: TheGrandWizard on September 07, 2012, 12:19 pmQuote from: Ben on September 07, 2012, 01:31 amMaking deals outside of the SR system is entirely at your own risk, and should not affect someones reputation on SR. I am truly sorry if you did lose money, but the story remains yours against his with no way to verify what you agreed upon, nor any analysis of what went wrong. If the OP provided a copy of the WU receipt and the name and identifying information of the person he sent it to, would you consider that verification? Be very careful what you ask for: you (or PillPopperz) might not be happy when you receive it. Frankly, PillPopperz can solve this very quickly by coming on here and giving us his side of the story. If someone was claiming I had scammed $6k in a WU deal, I'd speak up. Not sure what PillPopperz feels he is gaining by remaining silent.TheGrandWizard, in response to your question of whether the OP providing a copy of the WU receipt and the name and identifying information of the person he sent the transfer to would verify the OP's claims, no it would not.As I stated above, the only proof he has is that he sent $6000 via Western Union to SOMEBODY. There is absolutely no proof that that person is PILL popperz.PILL popperz has no obligation whatsoever to come here to defend himself from these claims, just as you would have no obligation to defend yourself if I were to start a thread claiming that you had robbed me in the street because the guy that robbed me was wearing a jacket with "TheGrandWizard" written on it. It would be ludicrous to think that you had an obligation to defend yourself against a story for which I have no proof. You would be free to defend yourself from that claim, of course, but there would be no obligation on you to do so.As for:Quote from: TheGrandWizard on September 07, 2012, 03:17 pmHowever, I'd also ask this question: if PillPopperz is willing to scam someone for $6k if they go out of escrow, what do you suppose he's going to do when he receives a bulk purchase of bunk product? Do you think he's going to do the ethical thing and flush it? Or do you think he's going to sell crap and refuse to acknowledge complainers once they finalize? I've yet to meet someone who is only a little bit of a thieving scumbag: if PillPopperz will rip one person off, he'll rip off anyone else he can.(Of course, I should also add that we've yet to hear from PillPopperz. He could clear this up easily by coming on here and providing his side of the story. Until he does, the OP appears to have a fairly compelling case that he sent $6k to PillPopperz and got nothing in return).There is no proof whatsoever that PILL popperz has ripped anyone off, or scammed this person out of $6000. There is also no point in alluding to a completely hypothetical situation concerning 'bunk product', as that has not happened and there is no indication that it will happen. It's a possibility of course, but judging from PILL popperz's reputation, an improbability.People are making assumptions based on others claims of being scammed - there is no proof that that has happened, therefore it is entirely unreasonable to label PILL popperz as a less than reputable member of this community base on the accusations of one person with no proof.The OP has posted "message logs" which could easily have been faked by typing in the responses he wanted before posting it to the thread, and is now saying that SR admins are involved when that is impossible. PILL popperz has not scammed anyone through SR so it is out of their remit. They may look into this one claim of an off-site transaction, but I doubt it given the flimsy evidence presented by the OP.Furthermore, the OP claims to have given his password to his SR account and his personal Tormail account to an SR admin. The security concerns of doing so, along with the security concerns of supposedly buying ketamine via Western Union lead me to believe that this person, if not outright lying, is incredibly naive and perhaps of low intelligence hence it is likely that they are easily led, and / or easily scammed by anyone claiming to be PillPopperz.Regardless of the unlikely event that the OP did get scammed by SR's PILL popperz, if he did, he did so of his own accord and it has no bearing on PILL popperz business on Silk Road. He states that sometimes he can't wait for Bitcoin etc.; why not? He'd rather send a Western Union transfer to a stranger for a large amount of money in the hopes that the stranger will hold up their end of the bargain?! Does that not strike you all as being very odd?If I want Bitcoin I can get my account credited within 2 hours - there's nothing stopping the OP from using a system similar to the one I use.I call shenanigans on this entire situation, and will continue to do so until the OP can provide solid evidence that PILL popperz has scammed him.- grahamgreene