Quote from: kmfkewm on September 08, 2012, 10:53 amQuoteI was a staunch capitalist for many years Limetless - I was pro-regulation, pro-market manipulation, pro-government and essentially pro-fascist given the nature of the beasts that I supported. With capitalism comes regulation and government intrusion. Indeed capitalism by it's very regulatory nature is what powers the governments of today, and with them, their restrictive laws. Don't get me wrong, I like making money hand over fist as much as the next guy but that is only because we currently live within the confines of a capitalist society.What a crock of shit. Agorism is extremely anti government. Agorists do not recognize the legitimacy of any government, or even of nations separated by borders. They are extremely against regulation. Even people who are anti-capitalist generally accuse capitalists of being anti-regulation, claiming that government regulations protect the people from the evil capitalists who only care about money and not the well being of the people, so I don't see where you get capitalism is pro regulation from. The USA is not a capitalist country, if that is where you happen to live. The USA merely claims to be a capitalist country. It is really quite a fascist country, although currently the democract politicians masquerade as socialist to get support from the public which is largely in favor of socialism. Agorism is about as anti-regulation anti-government anti-fascist as you can get, although it is perfectly fine with market manipulation and monopolies and such.Note that I stated I WAS a staunch capitalist for many years, not that I remain one. I think perhaps you may have misread what I wrote above? ??? I stated that with capitalism comes regulation and government intrusion, and that capitalism by way of it's regulatory nature is what powers the governments of today and their restrictive laws.As far as the US is concerned, no I don't live there but I would agree that it is becoming terribly fascist. I think it would best be described as having a dirigiste economy.QuoteCapitalism is the reason that marijuana and most other drugs aren't restricted. Marijuana's prohibition in particular was the result of corrupt capitalism and the power that pharmaceutical companies who lobby politicians to keep legalisation off the agenda also exists as a symptom of the capitalist condition.Quote from: kmfkewm on September 08, 2012, 10:53 amNo most of those drugs are restricted, maybe that is what you meant to say? And it is because of fascism not capitalism. Silk road is a great example of Agorism. The primary theory of Agorism is that private security agencies will rise up, funded by black market activity (such as drug trafficking), and will eventually become powerful enough to totally protect their customers from the state, eventually leading to the death of the state and government. That is Agorism in a nutshell, not banning drugs and regulating things lol. Yup, that was a typo. I mean to say "Capitalism is the reason that marijuana and most other drugs ARE restricted." I don't understand your tirade against pretty much everything I said; we agree on virtually all the points above. I did not mention once that agorism was about banning drugs and regulating things - in fact I stated the opposite, apart from the sentence containing that one typo. ???QuoteMoney, money, everywhere but none of it with any value. I think that it essentially comes down to the one's view of the difference between 'amount' and 'value'. Personally I would much rather have complete and sovereign freedom, to exist completely free as is my natural right, to any amount of anything. I value my freedom more than I value money, for what is money but a chain with which we are enslaved.Quote from: kmfkewm on September 08, 2012, 10:53 amMost Agorists are very pro-gold and against fiat currency, although bitcoin is of course insanely popular with them as well.Gold is not money, and as I stated, I value my freedom more than I value money. I believe you misunderstood most of what I said in my last quote. ???- grahamgreene