Quote from: punkst0ner on August 30, 2012, 04:21 pmI don't want to make shit with you, that's not what this is about.a) The ponzi scheme made it crystal clear how things were going to end up. Quickly. "Most if not all" were very naive about this. They might be a lot of "big man drug dealers" here, just because someone turns over a high volume of drugs does not mean they have any intelligence whatsoever.b) Limetless, as a mod should have been protecting the community, not sheepdogging them to Vlad with envelopes of money. Can you name one case where a UK buyer has had bank accounts frozen or has been prosecuted based on bank/mt gox evidence?? Venfdors cashing out? Well they should use there brains. BTC - clean cash is not hard whatsoever.c) Rather than just listen to limetless's explanation, I would expect some proof now. Firstly of the vehicle he is claiming to be selling.  As I have mentioned, the people who tell little lies are generally the same people that tell big whopping lies. Liars are untrustworthy. Period. Trust is something a mod on any forum should have. Especially so here.Of course not, all discussion about this is good discussion!I'll address your points in the same manner as you brought them up, for ease (and because my posts are sometimes terribly long winded! :P)a) There was no Ponzi scheme that anyone could see to begin with. People put their money into vlad1m1r's "investment program" because they assumed from his posts and statements that he could make them 6% per month by investing in various financial sectors. In hindsight, knowing what we now know (or at least assume to be correct), giving him money for this purpose was indeed incredibly naive. However, nothing seemed out of the ordinary at the time due to vlad1m1r's posts and persona here on the forum.I stated before in this thread that I believe he was investing in pirateat40's Ponzi, and when pirateat40 defaulted with everybody's money that vlad1m1r had put into the Ponzi he decided to cut and run, possibly paying back vendors with any cash in the mail he got (as they would be the ones most likely to seek retribution), or else just taking that cash with him on the way out. I'll agree with you on "just because someone turns over a high volume of drugs does not mean they have any intelligence whatsoever", but I'll wager that there are a lot of intelligent people who were suckered in by this. The old adage of investment rings true: never invest more than you can afford to lose. Unfortunately it seems there were many who failed to take heed of that warning.b) Limetless' duty is not to protect the community, it is to maintain order in the forums. It is up to each individual to protect themselves; nobody else can do that for them. Individuals decided to send somebody cash in the mail in the hope that that person would honour their part of the bargain, which they did for a time before cutting and running. It is posted everywhere here on the forums, in the Buyer's Guide and in the Wiki that FE is an incredibly bad idea and leaves the buyer with no recourse should they lose their money. The responsibility lies entirely on the people in question here to protect themselves, not on Limetless or any other moderator. Limetless may have recommended vlad1m1r - however, so did many, many others.I cannot name a case where a UK buyer has had their bank account frozen or prosecuted based on bank/Mt.Gox evidence, but that is not to say it hasn't happened or won't happen in the future. Bitcoin to clean cash is indeed relatively simple, but everything is simple when you know how.!c) What are you expecting proof of? I personally think Limetless has the Land Rover listed as a joke; the other items he sells seem to be legitimate, so this doesn't worry me in the least, mainly because I highly doubt anyone wanting an Armored car would spend $105,000 to buy one over Silk Road. It would be far simpler to buy a car and upgrade it with the relevant security features yourself. If you have $105,000 and are in a situation where you have need of an armored car, it is highly likely that you would have the necessary contacts for this service. Hell, I don't have $105,000 and I have no need of such a car, but even I know people that know people that could provide this service for a fee. And I'm in Ireland, which says a lot. So it may be a lie, yes, but I think it's a joke more than anything else.Trust is something that should NEVER be given here, regardless of the position of the member in question. Trust no one. Be polite, be respectful, engage in friendly debate and conversation, sure, but never give anyone your trust. You simply have no way of knowing if they are who they say they are.As I've stated on more than one occasion I am not a fan of Limetless. This is mainly because I find his public persona and general demeanour here quite immature. I will, however, defend him, (as I would defend anybody else here) as he has acted honourably thus far - he has not yet done anything to deserve the level of vitriol aimed at him.- grahamgreene