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Title: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: nanpa2001 on October 03, 2013, 02:45 pm
Astor was a 'helpful' poster that ingratiated himself into DPR's confidences, and was acknowledged by DPR as being helpful. Astor is one of 3 FBI agents that had infiltrated Silk Road before it was taken down. Astor was involved in the second 'assassination' ordered by DPR.

Here are the players: FBI agent 1 is "Friendly Chemist". He starts the process by blackmailing DPR.
FBI agent 2 is astor.
FBI agent 3 is "redandwhite", the 'hit man'.

The first agent creates the problem, the trusted and helpful second agent introduces a problem solver, and the third agent resolves the problem in order to gain trust.

At the point this starts the FBI already has access to the SR servers, and all the usernames and communications. Agent 1 uses this information to blackmail DPR, providing proof that he has many usernames and addresses, and demanding $500 000 in return for not releasing Silk Road customer information, the release of which could destroy Silk Road (according to DPR). This is called 'creating the problem'. Agent 1 in the meantime made a fake purchase on using his SR account, and that includes his 'real' name and address. Of course, no such person actually exists, and this transaction has been made so that DPR would discover the name and address.

Agent 2 (astor), known to be of assistance to DPR in the past talks to DPR over the site infrastructure, and DPR confides to agent 2 about his problem with the blackmailer. DPR reveals to agent 2 that he knows the name and address of the blackmailer. Agent 2 then tells DPR that he knows someone that can fix problems like this. This person he introduces DPR to is agent 3.

DPR contacts agent 3 and agent 3 negotiates a price with DPR, and then 'kills' agent 1. Agent 1 simply disappears and no longer bothers DPR. Now agent 2 and agent 3 are very high in the confidence of DPR, and are among his closest advisers. Around this time DPR made a semi-public announcement of appreciation for the work that agent 2 (astor) was doing for Silk Road.

Now heavily in the confidence of DPR having solved the problem that they created in the first place, DPR was now using agent 3 to purchase fake identity documents, documents that were of course intercepted and led the authorities straight to his residence, and his real identity. What happens next is well known to everyone here.

This operation was a crucial part of determining DPR's real life identity, and agent 2 (astor) was the most critical and determined agent in making the operation to capture DPR a success. Similar operations are run on the Klan all the time by FBI infiltrators. The infiltrators are always the most 'helpful' members offering to resolve problems.

I know that astor is just doing his job and it is important that Silk Road users know the truth about what happened. If you lost any money here, it is largely thanks to his work. Still, almost all of the users are oblivious to astor's role in this, which is a credit to his skills as an undercover agent.

Any future underground market will have to be vigilant and look out for the warning signs. If not for my article today, astor may have even come back to bring down another website.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: StExo on October 03, 2013, 02:52 pm
Sorry, but no way am I going to sit here and have you tell me Astor is an FBI agent and you provide zero proof. Fuck off.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on October 03, 2013, 02:53 pm
Any proof or is it all just a theory?
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: nawlinsx on October 03, 2013, 02:55 pm
Sorry, but no way am I going to sit here and have you tell me Astor is an FBI agent and you provide zero proof. Fuck off.

Seconded.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Bazille on October 03, 2013, 03:01 pm
Why do you think astor was involved? What evidence is there, except that he disappeared?
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: heisenberg2.0 on October 03, 2013, 03:06 pm
While we are talking conspiracy can we throw kmfkewm in there too.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=215729.msg1586503#msg1586503

Everyone should be suspect but for sure Astor was also close to DPR.
If anyone has insight to share hopefully I'll put together some sort of blog post on this later on but things keep changing every 5 minutes
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Bungee54 on October 03, 2013, 03:07 pm
very very strong allegations--zero proof.--

FBI modus operandi explained.. 

but insert other names..
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: seuss on October 03, 2013, 03:08 pm
What would be the point if they had access to SR's servers from the get-go?
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: railroadbill on October 03, 2013, 03:10 pm
Why do you think astor was involved? What evidence is there, except that he disappeared?

Astor was logged on yesterday, he just hasnt commented on anything about this. kwmkefm on the other hand gave some unknown reason for wanting to leave for good all of a sudden a day before this happened.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: sildenafil on October 03, 2013, 03:11 pm
subbed - only another theory ;)
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: nanpa2001 on October 03, 2013, 03:16 pm
Sorry, but no way am I going to sit here and have you tell me Astor is an FBI agent and you provide zero proof. Fuck off.

No proof? Hardly. Bring astor here then. If he is not too busy celebrating and getting back slaps.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: SexyWax on October 03, 2013, 03:19 pm
silly
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: boysen on October 03, 2013, 03:21 pm
You don't have proof, you have a theory. If theories counted as proof it would be extremely easy to send people to jail for nothing. There is no evidence to back up what you're saying.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: railroadbill on October 03, 2013, 03:22 pm
astor is probably sitting back on his lawn chair in southern ohio wondering why the fuck he bothered to support dpr all this time when dpr didnt listen to a damn thing he said.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: 12345 on October 03, 2013, 03:23 pm
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Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Ninja92 on October 03, 2013, 03:24 pm
If this is true, your story, and the ones ive read dont add up (like every fucking thing today)

The complaint said DPR requested that agent 1 tell his supplier to contact him, so how does agent 2 magically become agent 1? And if I remember correctly, DPR suggested the hit, not agent 2. And what about the previous 80k head he had? is that agent 0? If you ask me, DPR fucked up the only real rule to never break when you're in the game. Dont trust a fucking soul, everyones going to fuck you, sooner or later. What matters is how you take the bang. IF i was DPR I would hire at the very least 3 lawyers, which he should have on retainer if he has .03 cents of a brain. He'll need a criminal justice lawyer, a geeky one, and a medical one to prolong his case due to "health problems" until its thrown out. It only take about 100k to have a case last years. But really, what charges are going to stick? As far as I know he's not a vendor, he sells a business, essentially. Commission for escrow. He may be a hacker but he did not hack into anything illegal pertaining to SR. And He's definitely not laundering money, has anyone here bought anything on SR with federal "money"? I've only used BitCoin. The Murder-4-Hire on the other hand may be a bit tricky to loophole
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Synthiotics on October 03, 2013, 03:27 pm
Interesting hypothesis. I always thought there was something a bit off about astor but it isn't proof of wrongdoing.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: heisenberg2.0 on October 03, 2013, 03:28 pm

Astor was logged on yesterday, he just hasnt commented on anything about this. kwmkefm on the other hand gave some unknown reason for wanting to leave for good all of a sudden a day before this happened.

Probably about time he did then!
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: klemmo on October 03, 2013, 03:52 pm

Astor was logged on yesterday, he just hasnt commented on anything about this. kwmkefm on the other hand gave some unknown reason for wanting to leave for good all of a sudden a day before this happened.

Probably about time he did then!

If he's not in custody, it would be good to see him here.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: tyrone on October 03, 2013, 03:55 pm
astor gave me bad security advice. he told niggas that it would be safe to sign up thru the atlantis phishin proxy. i did that and my ass got phished. I think that astor motherfucka was running the motherfuckin phishin proxy.

check this shit and tell my ass that im wrong.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=183922.msg1334314#msg1334314
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: railroadbill on October 03, 2013, 04:06 pm
astor gave me bad security advice. he told niggas that it would be safe to sign up thru the atlantis phishin proxy. i did that and my ass got phished. I think that astor motherfucka was running the motherfuckin phishin proxy.

check this shit and tell my ass that im wrong.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=183922.msg1334314#msg1334314

your link says exactly the opposite of that, fuckoff troll
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: tyrone on October 03, 2013, 04:13 pm
astor gave me bad security advice. he told niggas that it would be safe to sign up thru the atlantis phishin proxy. i did that and my ass got phished. I think that astor motherfucka was running the motherfuckin phishin proxy.

check this shit and tell my ass that im wrong.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=183922.msg1334314#msg1334314

your link says exactly the opposite of that, fuckoff troll

Yo momma dun teach you to read?

The phishing site is not a phishing site at all. It's run by the Atlantis admins. It's a second onion address that points to the same server.

I believe they are using it as a form of deniable marketing. They are behind this spam, but they want to make it look like a phisher is doing it, and the "fools" who sign up on the phishing site will go on to use their site as normal.

Cracka motherfucka.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Synthiotics on October 03, 2013, 04:15 pm
Lets give astor a chance to defend himself. Does anyone know how to contact him? He has viewed to forum but he has not answered anything.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: railroadbill on October 03, 2013, 04:17 pm
astor gave me bad security advice. he told niggas that it would be safe to sign up thru the atlantis phishin proxy. i did that and my ass got phished. I think that astor motherfucka was running the motherfuckin phishin proxy.

check this shit and tell my ass that im wrong.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=183922.msg1334314#msg1334314

your link says exactly the opposite of that, fuckoff troll

Yo momma dun teach you to read?

The phishing site is not a phishing site at all. It's run by the Atlantis admins. It's a second onion address that points to the same server.

I believe they are using it as a form of deniable marketing. They are behind this spam, but they want to make it look like a phisher is doing it, and the "fools" who sign up on the phishing site will go on to use their site as normal.

Cracka motherfucka.

god youre stupid. he said it was a fake phishing site to get people signed up into atlantis without making it seem like atl was advertising their site. he never recommended to actually use it.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: ilovethecolour on October 03, 2013, 04:38 pm
subbd
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: TrippinOnHunger on October 03, 2013, 04:49 pm
Is there any thought of ST being part of this also?  He did so well for how long and in the beginning of Sept he deleted his account... fishy....?

Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: astor on October 03, 2013, 04:56 pm
I've been collecting my thoughts over this tragedy. I may have some final things to say, but I don't feel like dealing with this bullshit.

One of the few things that they admitted in the criminal complaint that actually work is PGP, and that was the biggest thing I advocated in my time here. If I was LE and everyone had taken my advice, then I would have fucked my own investigation. Instead, they have 1.2 million unencrypted messages and who knows how many unencrypted addresses. If the server was being watched since July, they may also have thousands of addresses that are encrypted that would have otherwise been unencrypted, if it wasn't for the efforts of myself and others to challenge people to increase their security.

You can believe what you want. I'm just an anonymous dude on the internet.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on October 03, 2013, 05:01 pm
Astor a fed?!?

Yea, for certain...and im DPR, currently on the lamb after swiftly escaping federal custody by way of my bruce leeroy glow.

Get a life OP. SR is done, nothing changes that. Save the stories for your grandchildren.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Evoc on October 03, 2013, 05:03 pm
If you ask me, this is absolutely absurd!!!!

Firstly, you must give reasoning for such an accusation like this. Anyone can post a theory without any supporting evidence and gain as much belief as this. If you're truly serious then you'll explain where you got this from?

The way I see this OP is that he is in fact an agent and is trying to discredit someone who as been an OUTSTANDING contribution to all that's gone on here for all of us and making people weary of him and blacken his name.

I refuse to even consider believing this without some solid proof for concern (which i'm sure we'll never see)

My advice here to everybody is don't believe any of these speculation bullshit posts. Even what you're reading about DPR's arrest.

Media are the last i'd believe about anything and for all we know, the details of his arrest and reason for being caught are complete bullshit and just put out to make people think it was because of stupid mistakes he made (which again, seems very unlikely considering his knowledge)

There's a lot more to this than meets the eye and just everyone be cautious about their actions.


Rant over :P
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Nightcrawler on October 03, 2013, 06:57 pm
I've been collecting my thoughts over this tragedy. I may have some final things to say, but I don't feel like dealing with this bullshit.

No kidding -- after all the time you've put in here.

One of the few things that they admitted in the criminal complaint that actually work is PGP, and that was the biggest thing I advocated in my time here. If I was LE and everyone had taken my advice, then I would have fucked my own investigation. Instead, they have 1.2 million unencrypted messages and who knows how many unencrypted addresses. If the server was being watched since July, they may also have thousands of addresses that are encrypted that would have otherwise been unencrypted, if it wasn't for the efforts of myself and others to challenge people to increase their security.

You can believe what you want. I'm just an anonymous dude on the internet.

You may remember, back about a year ago, there was an Aussie dude (Winters86) who said his family were all upper-echelon police officers.  He claimed to have seen a report on Silk Road, and the gist of that report was that the one thing that the police feared most was that people would begin to learn and use software like PGP. As he stated in his post:

1. PGP is terrifying them, every new user who learns it and helps others learn, closes a possible loophole they where planning to exploit.

2. User ignorance of the technology being used (Tor, PGP etc) is the their single best hope for any kind of serious action against the SR community.

This was over a year ago, that Winters86 pointed this out.

A little over a year ago, I had an argument with another user over the terms in the Seller's Guide. I interpreted the terms as stating that vendors were required to use PGP, while the other person said that was not the case. DPR eventually weighed in, and sided with the other party, to my very great dismay.

As much as parties like RxKing may have argued (and STILL argue) against its use, if use of PGP had been mandatory on SR, then the police would most certainly NOT be having the field day that they are now. The entire idea behind advocating PGP was as protection or insurance in case the server were ever seized or compromised, which is the _exact_ situation we're facing now.  The people who used proper opsec (unlike DPR) have relatively little to fear. Astor, Guru, myself and others put in a lot of time trying to evangelize PGP, because it's effective -- it works. If Astor were truly a cop, he wouldn't be advocating use of a tool that would make their lives considerably harder

Nightcrawler
4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22 Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>
PGP Key: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=174.msg633090#msg633090
PGP Key Fingerprint = 83F8 CAF8 7B73 C3C7 8D07  B66B AFC8 CE71 D9AF D2F0
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Trappy on October 03, 2013, 07:04 pm
Everyone, go to your local police station and tell them you're sorry for being bad and doing drugs. Its the only way to be safe.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: QuickSilverHawk on October 03, 2013, 07:27 pm
Everyone, go to your local police station and tell them you're sorry for being bad and doing drugs. Its the only way to be safe.

:D
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: blueapples on October 03, 2013, 07:42 pm
...so where is the proof?? This looks to be a conspiracy you just made up in your head lol
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: londonlondon on October 03, 2013, 07:50 pm
im not religious or superstitious (bit redundant), but i really don't believe in coincidences.
why did this happen during government shutdown?
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: sourman on October 03, 2013, 08:26 pm
What OP said makes sense, and I can see why he suspects astor is one of the agents. Until there is proof, it's really not fair to say it was him though. There are lots of candidates just from the forums alone.

The tactic he described is indeed used to bait suspects into further incriminating themselves. Google the recent bust of a man intending to use x-ray devices to kill Muslims. IIRC, the FBI was also involved and they played that guy in a very similar manner.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: p3nd8s on October 03, 2013, 08:45 pm
Kmfkw is definitely suspect, astor as well. I have no proof, but my intuition tells me someone prominent on this thread could also be LE.
I have no proof, so I won't call out any names that haven't been called out already. Point of the matter is, TRUST NO ONE.

Their modus operendi seems to be: show great technical knowledge, make major contributions for free, gain a reputation as a valuable member of the community, gain the trust, and go for the kill!

IMPORTANT:  There was a cocaine vendor on here called "Nob" (not to be confused with nod). My intuition told me he was LE from the beginning. Apparently DPR was brokering a cocaine deal with someone, I believe this someone was nob. Nob claimed he knew DPR personally and they were doing a deal together. He was also selling kilo quantities of cocaine on SR on a new account. Then on the vendor forum, a guy name googleyed1 claimed he not only got ripped off by Nob but much worse. Nob did his deals by storing the "product" in a self storage unit whereby the buyer had to go pick it up. I think a bust happened that googleyed1 didn't want to talk about.  I'm trying to find the thread. But I think SS was DPR and it all started from there.

UPDATE: I found the thread:    http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=120169.0
Nob contacted DPR to find a buyer for bulk coke. DPR contacted googleyed1 and gave him BTC to buy the coke and receive it at his house. Nob who was an undercover LE, sent the "coke", a controlled delivery was done and googleyed1 was busted. DPR thought googleyed1 was going to talk to LE so he hired nob to have him killed. Nob sent him fake photos of the killing and got paid the balance.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: polyphemusperception on October 03, 2013, 08:53 pm
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Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Cimicon-Rep on October 03, 2013, 09:45 pm
*facepalm*

Some of you really are stupid to give the slightest bit of credence to this idea of Astor being LE.

Point of fact; DPR turned out to be an arrogant, flighty-headed prick with delusions of grandeur, who thought he was untouchable. If he had followed the basic advice Astor and others had recommended, the greatest cyber black market would still be here with LEO's best efforts wasted on picking off low hanging fruit.   

DPR taking one for the team, killed the whole damn franchise - making mistakes that most of us vendors never would have.

His geekness seemed to make him forget what this place was first and foremost, a black market. What, with his attempts at making the place more user friendly and amazon-like. Adding stupid, fucking features most vendors hated all the while ignoring features vendors needed. It's clear he was soaking up the San Fran cyber vibe and forgetting that this is a black market for hard fucking drugs and not some hipster bazaar.

All that coin in commissions went towards what? Opsec? Nope. No fucking way. Not even 1% was devoted to Opsec. All that coin went into a black hole of wishful, flighty thinking.

Could SR have lasted forever? No. But it could have lasted a lot longer. That much is clear. And in better hands, it could have been formidable.

At least on the other markets that exist, buyers will smarten up and realize that they are operating in a black market with black market players and not doing business on Amazon or ebay. Now at least they will have more realistic expectations. Something DPR failed to instill considering he lead by example after all.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Cornelius23 on October 03, 2013, 10:15 pm
Proof inside.

This is obviously some strange use of the word 'proof' that I wasn't previously aware of.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: randomOVDB#2 on October 03, 2013, 10:21 pm
If DPR would have listened to astor there would be no bust.

Give the man some respect for all he did in the Security forum by not talking dumb shit about him.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Evoc on October 03, 2013, 10:22 pm
Exactly Cornelius!!!

Notice how the OP hasn't showed up since starting the thread also.  Just pure bullshit to discredit one of the more helpful members.

If anything it's the OP who i'd be suspicious of but who am I to say. But one thing is for sure. Coming up with an accusation like that with ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF is just ridiculous. Prove me wrong OP and i'll eat me words but you won't so please go eat shit!

Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: abby on October 03, 2013, 10:34 pm
considering what's happened, the hysterics, conspiracy theories and wild allegations have been quite muted.

but you know what?  I bet a large number of those who never encrypted before will carry on clear texting their details and the kids will still keep posting their pics to Imugr (or whatever it's called).  Sometimes stupid really is too stupid to learn and it puts us all at risk.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: klemmo on October 03, 2013, 10:51 pm
Glad to see you're safe, Astor
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: BlueGiraffe on October 03, 2013, 11:05 pm
OP, if you have proof of what you allege then you should post it now - or you loose all credibility.

If your intention is to inform then do it properly. And if what you say is true then everyone here deserves to know it.

If your intention is to merely spread FUD about another (very respected) member of this community then, well... get fucked.

Either way you have a responsibility to follow up on your post.

BG
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Evoc on October 03, 2013, 11:08 pm
OP, if you have proof of what you allege then you should post it now - or you loose all credibility.

If your intention is to inform then do it properly. And if what you say is true then everyone here deserves to know it.

If your intention is to merely spread FUD about another (very respected) member of this community then, well... get fucked.

Either way you have a responsibility to follow up on your post.

BG


Not gonna happen BG!!

Clearly total BS or specifics would have been made available for all to see if it was a credible post.

This guy is clearly a troll donk looking for attention until he proves us wrong but I imagine we won't see a post from him again.

Peace out,
Evoc
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Fear The Reaper on October 03, 2013, 11:11 pm
Astor, for what it's worth, you have helped so many people in your time here, and for that, I sincerely thank you and wish you nothing but the best for the future.

Anyone claiming Astor is LE is fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: wackmanblu on October 03, 2013, 11:24 pm
yeeeahhh, .... and Bigfoot is an astral being that is covertly controlling the FBI through astral mind control (as if this isn't obvious!!) Guys !! Guys!! I think Astor actually is BIGFOOT! It is sooo fuckin obvious!! And if you don't think so you are so naive and that's exactly what the CIA wants from you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pffff  Little boys who spend to much time in their own minds and online and need some kind of drama to play out. Who gives a flying piss who was LE and who wasn't. This place was either going to survive or it was not, there were many players on the same stage.

I am going to miss the social experiment though. BMR and Sheep Marketplace may replace SR, but in spirit, I don't think there will ever be anything like SR again. A unique place in time indeed.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: WhiteShark on October 03, 2013, 11:33 pm
I have talked to astor before, I personally do not think he is LE. If he was I doubt he would even bother to come on here anymore.

Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: samesamebutdifferent on October 04, 2013, 12:02 am
The title of this thread should be "Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. My entirely unsubstantiated opinion with NO PROOF inside"

Nanpa a lot of your posts on here where about how fucking awesome Atlantis was and how SR should be more like them and look how they went down.

I no longer need to bite my tongue on here so post some fucking proof or fuck off with the FUD.

Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: RmanOnaHill on October 04, 2013, 12:31 am
Astor a fed?!?

Yea, for certain...and im DPR, currently on the lamb after swiftly escaping federal custody by way of my bruce leeroy glow.

Get a life OP. SR is done, nothing changes that. Save the stories for your grandchildren.

Someone who see's sense,quality.Can't be arsed to read the rest now...thankyou.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: slyguy498 on October 04, 2013, 12:35 am
If you ask me, this is absolutely absurd!!!!

Firstly, you must give reasoning for such an accusation like this. Anyone can post a theory without any supporting evidence and gain as much belief as this. If you're truly serious then you'll explain where you got this from?

The way I see this OP is that he is in fact an agent and is trying to discredit someone who as been an OUTSTANDING contribution to all that's gone on here for all of us and making people weary of him and blacken his name.

I refuse to even consider believing this without some solid proof for concern (which i'm sure we'll never see)

My advice here to everybody is don't believe any of these speculation bullshit posts. Even what you're reading about DPR's arrest.

Media are the last i'd believe about anything and for all we know, the details of his arrest and reason for being caught are complete bullshit and just put out to make people think it was because of stupid mistakes he made (which again, seems very unlikely considering his knowledge)

There's a lot more to this than meets the eye and just everyone be cautious about their actions.


Rant over :P
you couldnt have said it better. since when did we start buyin into the media, u guys r forgetting what were here for and the shit we learned along the way
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Baraka on October 04, 2013, 01:04 am
astor has done more to promote the use of PGP than anyone else here. He also strongly advocated Tor for everything. Had DPR followed astor's advice then there would've been no way to find the physical location of the SR servers and the site would never have been compromised. The special agent's affidavit showed that DPR logged into the site as an admin many times without Tor and that made it a cinch for LE to locate the servers. God fucking damnit! It's so unbelievably stupid and sloppy that it makes the official story suspect. Only it's not. The allegation is highly improbable and I strongly doubt any proof will ever surface that would support it.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: abercrombiekidjf on October 04, 2013, 03:05 am
The title of this thread should be "Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. My entirely unsubstantiated opinion with NO PROOF inside"

Nanpa a lot of your posts on here where about how fucking awesome Atlantis was and how SR should be more like them and look how they went down.

I no longer need to bite my tongue on here so post some fucking proof or fuck off with the FUD.


^^^^hahahaha hell yeah i couldnt agree more , glad to see your still good samesame, looks like almost all the mods are able to get on and post so that good to see you are all still good , i hope the best for all of you!! but yeah dude about astor there is no proof , and seriously every hr there is some new theory or idea, either way DPR slipped up made a mistake and got screwed, no matter who was involved , what has happened , happened and yes it is quite a shame. but we cant start pointing fingers with no evidence and everyone needs to learn to be more secure and safeguard themselves , only thing i believe is DPR is looking at a hefty jail sentence, besides that nothing else holds an truth and probably wont find other details out for awhile anyway, either way best of luck to all of the community! and lets keep it alive
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: nanpa2001 on October 04, 2013, 03:45 am
Fine. Astor hasn't been caught red handed, and there is a certain amount of conjecture in this story.

What we do know is that there were infiltrators, and they were prominent members of this community. Don't say it is me - I never had any contact with DPR at all. So who are they?
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Cornelius23 on October 04, 2013, 03:58 am
How do we know that any of the infiltrators "were prominent members of this community"?
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Synthiotics on October 04, 2013, 04:09 am
How do we know that any of the infiltrators "were prominent members of this community"?

I think that nanpa means that they were well known enough that DPR had taken notice of them.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: abercrombiekidjf on October 04, 2013, 04:20 am
i mean i guess we wont find that out for awhile, i read one report that DPR was actually communicating to what he thought was a trusted source who was actually a rat that turned his info over to the FBI, i mean i guess we wont know til more implications are made, im just wondering to see what if anything DPR says to the LE, cause im sure he holds a substantial amount of info so im wondering how that is all going to pan out for him. but i dont know who was involved , or really the exact story the only part that seems to keep popping up is the murder for hire not once but twice apparently, but besides that the details are so muddy and unclear and with all these theories makes the water even more murky to who is what and that is what we deal with on the underground sites many dont know who many are thats the point of these markets which is its beauty but in rare occasions can suck when we are trying to figure out who can be trusted and who cant so we probably wont find out who the rats are until they are attempting to taking down Sheep Market and BMR, and sadly to say im sure they are working on that anyway cause im sure they are on these forums and following the rest of this awesome community to the other sites, its a shame that we have to deal with others that try to live by such strict rules and standards and dont allow the rest of us to enjoy the true freedoms and beauties the world has to offer , hopefully someday all will change
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Belmundo on October 04, 2013, 04:27 am
How did DPR know that the guy who was "killed" was in fact FC?  Was FC's purchase a fake ID?  It could've been any guy.  How did DPR know what FC looked like?
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: echo_ on October 04, 2013, 04:32 am
IMPORTANT:  There was a cocaine vendor on here called "Nob" (not to be confused with nod). My intuition told me he was LE from the beginning. Apparently DPR was brokering a cocaine deal with someone, I believe this someone was nob. Nob claimed he knew DPR personally and they were doing a deal together. He was also selling kilo quantities of cocaine on SR on a new account. Then on the vendor forum, a guy name SelfSovereignty claimed he not only got ripped off by Nob but much worse. Nob did his deals by storing the "product" in a self storage unit whereby the buyer had to go pick it up. I think a bust happened that SS didn't want to talk about.  I'm trying to find the thread. But I think SS was DPR and it all started from there.
^ valuable knowledge.


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How did DPR know that the guy who was "killed" was in fact FC?  Was FC's purchase a fake ID?  It could've been any guy.  How did DPR know what FC looked like?
More like how did DPR even know the home address of FC? Total bullshit.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Belmundo on October 04, 2013, 04:38 am
More like how did DPR even know the home address of FC? Total bullshit.

Well it says that FC made a purchase, thus revealing his name and address.  But what did he purchase?  The only way to know who FC was by face is to have ordered a Fake ID.  Otherwise it could've been any joe off the street.  This entire thing just smells funny and it boggles my mind how none of this could seem shady to DPR.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: echo_ on October 04, 2013, 04:58 am
More like how did DPR even know the home address of FC? Total bullshit.

Well it says that FC made a purchase, thus revealing his name and address.  But what did he purchase?  The only way to know who FC was by face is to have ordered a Fake ID.  Otherwise it could've been any joe off the street.  This entire thing just smells funny and it boggles my mind how none of this could seem shady to DPR.
Don't know why someone extorting the administrator of the website would concurrently have his address in cleartext on the order info page.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Cornelius23 on October 04, 2013, 05:02 am
I can find no mention of FC having made any purchases although he was apparently a vendor[*]. None of that would explain, however, how DPR would know that he had "Wife + 3 kids", as he allegedly told redandwhite at the end of March, as claimed on Page 22 of the complaint.

[*] And I'll ask again, does _anyone_ here remember a vendor by the name of FriendlyChemist?
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: go4green on October 04, 2013, 07:21 am
Yes, they were under-covered agents

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/10/02/feds-allege-silk-roads-boss-paid-for-murders-of-both-a-witness-and-a-blackmailer/


DPR digged his own grave unfortunately!
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on October 04, 2013, 08:40 am
*facepalm*

Some of you really are stupid to give the slightest bit of credence to this idea of Astor being LE.

Point of fact; DPR turned out to be an arrogant, flighty-headed prick with delusions of grandeur, who thought he was untouchable. If he had followed the basic advice Astor and others had recommended, the greatest cyber black market would still be here with LEO's best efforts wasted on picking off low hanging fruit.   

DPR taking one for the team, killed the whole damn franchise - making mistakes that most of us vendors never would have.

His geekness seemed to make him forget what this place was first and foremost, a black market. What, with his attempts at making the place more user friendly and amazon-like. Adding stupid, fucking features most vendors hated all the while ignoring features vendors needed. It's clear he was soaking up the San Fran cyber vibe and forgetting that this is a black market for hard fucking drugs and not some hipster bazaar.

All that coin in commissions went towards what? Opsec? Nope. No fucking way. Not even 1% was devoted to Opsec. All that coin went into a black hole of wishful, flighty thinking.

Could SR have lasted forever? No. But it could have lasted a lot longer. That much is clear. And in better hands, it could have been formidable.

At least on the other markets that exist, buyers will smarten up and realize that they are operating in a black market with black market players and not doing business on Amazon or ebay. Now at least they will have more realistic expectations. Something DPR failed to instill considering he lead by example after all.
Yep. I will never understand why they didn't make auto-finalise shorter.
About 30% of my fucking buyers auto-finalised. If the AF date was 7 days (and can be extended easily if needed), I would have lost a lot less money.

I wonder what ever happened to Limetless?
Did he have some involvement with this?
he disappeared about 2 1/2 months ago. The same time when the servers were apparently being watched...
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: django on October 04, 2013, 08:55 am
no way in hell astor is LE, if it wasnt for him alot more people would be in the shit right now.

have my doubts on that kkwe whatever,that does seem suss.

also where is pine? not suggesting or anything.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: crossreference on October 04, 2013, 09:07 am
I feel like it is premature and somewhat naive to accept much of the intelligence regarding the investigation which led to DPR's arrest as veritable. I find it highly unlikely that DPR, notwithstanding his apparent arrogance, would have solicited murder from a new found acquaintance, especially one met under the circumstances described. Furthermore, it's equally unbelievable that DPR would have ordered counterfeit identification from another new found acquaintance, met under similarly unconvincing circumstance, to his residence. The details regarding the cocaine sale do not add up, and to believe that DPR would have played an active role in facilitating that sale is incomprehensible. Conversely, it is more reasonable to accept that LE have fabricated details to effect psychological operations that detract from the character of the man endorsing libertarian ideals that threaten the current state. The amateur mistakes made in the beginning and the clearnet usernames linked to DPR's true identity are believable, and were sufficient in developing the case which led to his arrest. The evidence suggesting he solicited two murders is less convincing.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: motek on October 04, 2013, 09:27 am
 
 I was wondering where Nanpa with her insightful opinions was .....  Hey ho .... Now the SERIOUS SHIT!


                                               ANYBODY REMEMBER THIS i POSTED BACK IN JUNE ...

         and Astor TOLD ME i HAD NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, IT WAS ALL BULLSHIT especially the stuff about the  SILK ROAD  DATA .....


                                   BTW:  It was from the Road's "friendly chemist" RON PAUL aka DRDeepWood, who was there to help everyone  (get busted OR blow themselves up)

  Good ole Ron Paul/DrDeepWood .... this is one of the privnotes he sent me ..... that SR admin, esp Astor, went to pains to tell me it was ALL BULLSHIT and Not to Worry about him ....


   "I'd like you to know that if you do not immediately stop posting, I will have you killed. plain and simple.

    2 of the developers of silk road are actually partners of my partners, they have agreed to give me every single name and address you have used on SR. They have told me that you sometimes use multiple addresses.
   I have a lot of industrial speed production partners in australia, and have decided instead of buying one high quality private detective/hitter, I will just pay for a gang of speed freaks to rape and kill you. They said that they will gangbang you even if it is old nasty pussy, they dont care.
  You think that your address is deleted after the vendor places the order?
 Well let me tell you, SR is backed up every single day and there is no encryption between you and the seller.
 All the dev has to do is scan through the backups until they get to the day that you ordered, and your address will be in your current order.

  The have database backups of SR for the last year+ and have a very advanced script made to go back and look through it for various reasons.
 You know why the mods told you I was banned when I wasn't?
 Because they are working with me and just want you to shut up.
 So: if you post a single thread about me or if I hear from the mods/devs that you are trying to report me again, I will send my partners partner 10k for all of the addresses, and I will send the speed freaks another 4k to make sure that this is more expensive for you than it is for me.
  You can try your luck, maybe only your friends who get your packages will be hurt, theres a chance you can get away, is it worth it to you? It wont hurt me to spend the money, they promised to send me pictures of you before and after so I consider it an entertainment expense. But I would rather you just dissapeared and I can keep this money, your choice.

This note has been destroyed, so if you want to keep its content, you must copy it before closing this page.I'd like you to know that if you do not immediately stop posting, I will have you killed. plain and simple.




               WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THESE THREATS NOW?      Oh, and btw RP/DDW   mysteriously stopped trading about 2 months ago!
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: DR1337 on October 04, 2013, 10:17 am
Equally credible "proof" of the infultrator:

"Whoever smelt it, dealt it"

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING OP!!?
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: users_dont_lose_drugs on October 04, 2013, 10:28 am
*facepalm*

Some of you really are stupid to give the slightest bit of credence to this idea of Astor being LE.

Point of fact; DPR turned out to be an arrogant, flighty-headed prick with delusions of grandeur, who thought he was untouchable. If he had followed the basic advice Astor and others had recommended, the greatest cyber black market would still be here with LEO's best efforts wasted on picking off low hanging fruit.   

DPR taking one for the team, killed the whole damn franchise - making mistakes that most of us vendors never would have.

His geekness seemed to make him forget what this place was first and foremost, a black market. What, with his attempts at making the place more user friendly and amazon-like. Adding stupid, fucking features most vendors hated all the while ignoring features vendors needed. It's clear he was soaking up the San Fran cyber vibe and forgetting that this is a black market for hard fucking drugs and not some hipster bazaar.

All that coin in commissions went towards what? Opsec? Nope. No fucking way. Not even 1% was devoted to Opsec. All that coin went into a black hole of wishful, flighty thinking.

Could SR have lasted forever? No. But it could have lasted a lot longer. That much is clear. And in better hands, it could have been formidable.

At least on the other markets that exist, buyers will smarten up and realize that they are operating in a black market with black market players and not doing business on Amazon or ebay. Now at least they will have more realistic expectations. Something DPR failed to instill considering he lead by example after all.
Yep. I will never understand why they didn't make auto-finalise shorter.
About 30% of my fucking buyers auto-finalised. If the AF date was 7 days (and can be extended easily if needed), I would have lost a lot less money.

I wonder what ever happened to Limetless?
Did he have some involvement with this?
he disappeared about 2 1/2 months ago. The same time when the servers were apparently being watched...

I srsly doubt Lim had any involvement with this......

I think he just saw an opportunity and got out.

I always go on with him, and had multiple transactions with no problems. Loads of people reported him as a scammer though.

I always thought he was very funny/sound guy, he was also operating out of the UK   
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: NorthernStar on October 04, 2013, 11:24 am
The agents name( one of them) was Christopher Tarbell  astor Christopher of course theres no link
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on October 04, 2013, 12:43 pm
no way in hell astor is LE, if it wasnt for him alot more people would be in the shit right now.

have my doubts on that kkwe whatever,that does seem suss.

also where is pine? not suggesting or anything.
I haven't seen pine in ages... Hope they are ok.  :-\
They were great helping everyone with PGP
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on October 04, 2013, 12:44 pm
I feel like it is premature and somewhat naive to accept much of the intelligence regarding the investigation which led to DPR's arrest as veritable. I find it highly unlikely that DPR, notwithstanding his apparent arrogance, would have solicited murder from a new found acquaintance, especially one met under the circumstances described. Furthermore, it's equally unbelievable that DPR would have ordered counterfeit identification from another new found acquaintance, met under similarly unconvincing circumstance, to his residence. The details regarding the cocaine sale do not add up, and to believe that DPR would have played an active role in facilitating that sale is incomprehensible. Conversely, it is more reasonable to accept that LE have fabricated details to effect psychological operations that detract from the character of the man endorsing libertarian ideals that threaten the current state. The amateur mistakes made in the beginning and the clearnet usernames linked to DPR's true identity are believable, and were sufficient in developing the case which led to his arrest. The evidence suggesting he solicited two murders is less convincing.
The whole story doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
A lot of things are not right... Time will give us a better picture anyway.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: wheardego on October 04, 2013, 01:04 pm
WOW. Am I the only one who read motek's post? Freindly chemist was ron paul? With the info given, it makes sense.idk...

If someone like astor was involved, using his past actions and personna to disprove this isnt necessarily sound. They wouldnt have to be an official agent. They could have been flipped at some point. If le had access to the entire system, there is a chance someone could have been caught up on something, related to teh road or not, that was used as leverage. If they couldnt get dpr, the next step would have been to bust people close to him. Techies are historically notorius for flipping. And le is notorius for not being able to do their "jobs" without the aid of rats. Spread the plauge...
Just a side thought; red and white can mean hells angels in the states.
If moteks post is true ( i mean that in a purely objective tone ), pauls claim to have access to the system seems to faintly correlate with the feds july takeover. could that mean anything?
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: AnonymousAddict on October 04, 2013, 01:31 pm
Guys Time we tell all. Lets all stop pointing fingers for a while and sit back and see what unfolds as far as everthing that went on.

We can all sit here all day racking our brains about this some of the stuff may be rite, but we dont know for sure.

Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: wheardego on October 04, 2013, 01:46 pm

No one should point fingers, just rationally exchange ideas and information. Objective conversation is difficult, but necessary.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: sativanist on October 04, 2013, 05:13 pm
A lot of opinions floating around.  The OP's scenario is SOP for busts. Inconclusive but not implausible.

Facts thus far - LE brought down SR using insiders. No doubt multiple sock puppets were generated. The DPR trial will tell the tale, perhaps.

Don't let your guard down, LE are still here, looking to infiltrate and ingratiate.

Lesson learned  - Always use PGP for sensitive information.  Trust but verify. Stay safe.

Not all is lost.  Survivors are stronger and more savvy. SR takedown metastasizes into multiple cells. It will keep LE spread thin with whack a mole.

Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: twistedheart on October 04, 2013, 05:44 pm
Preposterous.  The OP's crystal meth pipe must have been burning hot when he dreamed up the most ludicrous conspiracy theory to emerge since SR went down.

Why on earth would Astor, a busy and highly respected forum member, personally teach a technically challenged noob like me how to successfully use PGP and evade identification, if he was a fed? 

I have encountered some monumental stupidity in my time but this is risible.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: MarcoRuas on October 04, 2013, 07:26 pm
A lot of opinions floating around.  The OP's scenario is SOP for busts. Inconclusive but not implausible.

Facts thus far - LE brought down SR using insiders. No doubt multiple sock puppets were generated. The DPR trial will tell the tale, perhaps.

Don't let your guard down, LE are still here, looking to infiltrate and ingratiate.

Lesson learned  - Always use PGP for sensitive information.  Trust but verify. Stay safe.

Not all is lost.  Survivors are stronger and more savvy. SR takedown metastasizes into multiple cells. It will keep LE spread thin with whack a mole.
Totally agree.Remember when they went after Pablo Escobar? It didn't stop shit after they got him. Look at all the PEs in the world today.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: motek on October 04, 2013, 11:01 pm
    i REALLY TRIED TO GET SOMEONE TO LISTEN .....  IMO  Astor's replies to me were susspect, the ONLY Admin I trusted was Inigo


NOW,  WTF DO YOU THINK THIS GUY WAS REFERRING TO when saying this in his pm?


  "  You think that your address is deleted after the vendor places the order?
 Well let me tell you, SR is backed up every single day and there is no encryption between you and the seller.
 All the dev has to do is scan through the backups until they get to the day that you ordered, and your address will be in your current order.

  The have database backups of SR for the last year+ and have a very advanced script made to go back and look through it for various reasons.
 You know why the mods told you I was banned when I wasn't?
 Because they are working with me and just want you to shut up.
 So: if you post a single thread about me or if I hear from the mods/devs that you are trying to report me again, I will send my partners partner 10k for all of the addresses,"


   I honestly have few ideas about this whole debacle, BUT the possibilities it is some kind of False Flag to begin  a propaganda campaign against E-currencies, as NOTHING threatens TPTB's like the chance they could lose all their money .... maybe not overnight, but withing a generation, and these dudes deal in the Long Term ....

  They consider themselves Dynasties, if you like  .... who HAVE BEEN working hard to control the global financial markets and later the planet itself!

They thought they had won the battle with the signing of the  Bretton-Woods agreement, which removed the "gold standard" .... BUT, the ONE thing they didn't/couldn't fully predict, consider and control .... is the Internet's online community and sharing of information, for as we KNOW,   "Knowledge IS Power"

And the Other ONE of the 'things/ideas' to come out of the past few years is  decentralized  "cyber-currency" ....  which is useless for their machinations and manipulation of fiat currencies, and quite possibly (after a torrid changeover) changing the worlds currencies to electronic ones ..... I hope!


Much love all, united we stand

m m m motek x
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Remediless on October 05, 2013, 12:16 am
    i REALLY TRIED TO GET SOMEONE TO LISTEN .....  IMO  Astor's replies to me were susspect, the ONLY Admin I trusted was Inigo


NOW,  WTF DO YOU THINK THIS GUY WAS REFERRING TO when saying this in his pm?


  "  You think that your address is deleted after the vendor places the order?
 Well let me tell you, SR is backed up every single day and there is no encryption between you and the seller.
 All the dev has to do is scan through the backups until they get to the day that you ordered, and your address will be in your current order.

  The have database backups of SR for the last year+ and have a very advanced script made to go back and look through it for various reasons.
 You know why the mods told you I was banned when I wasn't?
 Because they are working with me and just want you to shut up.
 So: if you post a single thread about me or if I hear from the mods/devs that you are trying to report me again, I will send my partners partner 10k for all of the addresses,"


   I honestly have few ideas about this whole debacle, BUT the possibilities it is some kind of False Flag to begin  a propaganda campaign against E-currencies, as NOTHING threatens TPTB's like the chance they could lose all their money .... maybe not overnight, but withing a generation, and these dudes deal in the Long Term ....

  They consider themselves Dynasties, if you like  .... who HAVE BEEN working hard to control the global financial markets and later the planet itself!

They thought they had won the battle with the signing of the  Bretton-Woods agreement, which removed the "gold standard" .... BUT, the ONE thing they didn't/couldn't fully predict, consider and control .... is the Internet's online community and sharing of information, for as we KNOW,   "Knowledge IS Power"

And the Other ONE of the 'things/ideas' to come out of the past few years is  decentralized  "cyber-currency" ....  which is useless for their machinations and manipulation of fiat currencies, and quite possibly (after a torrid changeover) changing the worlds currencies to electronic ones ..... I hope!


Much love all, united we stand

m m m motek x


WHO Sent that PM, Motek?

Astor? And he sent it to you?
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: motek on October 05, 2013, 12:59 am
  It was sent by a "friendly chemist"  or so he clamed to be ... TSR's "resident chemist" who sold bullshit syntheses ....

              RON PAUL aka  Dr Deep Wood

 AND;  BULK AMOUNTS  of  highly watched chemical precursors which he tried to convince his 'customers' they were completely safe to buy from "his contacts/suppliers" whose information he would add with the "lab notes" on completion of the sale!

 When I reported ALL these things to Astor, after a few pm's he simply REFUSED TO ANSWER MY QUERIES as to "wtf" WAS going to be done about a vendor making death threats?
   Astor (or ANY admin) refused to explain "how" it was possible this vendr STILL  HAD a 100 rating EVEN WHEN he had numerous ratings <5! 

 However he did have time to reply to tell me he received 100's of pm's a day, and this one had "slipped through the gaps!"

  He replied saying that becoz it wasn't a screenshot of the Privnote, it was impossible to prove!
 
He became VERY PISSED OFF when I 'challenged his syntheses'  and apparently caused him a large drop in sales as a result, hence why he tells me not to post ... read the full pm in my earlier post on the page before this one.



  AS IF I would be making this shit up!   
And it's clear from the writing styles AND  comments mad about SR admins, it wasn't penned by motek!


This WHOLE shennaingans IS NOT WHAT IT APPEARS ..... I dont think the majority of us have any more to worry about than usual,  and let's see how this  story is presented by the worlds media ..... IMO it will do a 'snowden' on him and make him a ghost who is hardly mentioned whilst the feds continue with their lawless behaviour


Time to get as 'anonymous' as you can, and then some!


Take care all

m m m motek x
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: NOTspacecase on October 05, 2013, 02:39 am
  It was sent by a "friendly chemist"  or so he clamed to be ... TSR's "resident chemist" who sold bullshit syntheses ....

              RON PAUL aka  Dr Deep Wood

 AND;  BULK AMOUNTS  of  highly watched chemical precursors which he tried to convince his 'customers' they were completely safe to buy from "his contacts/suppliers" whose information he would add with the "lab notes" on completion of the sale!

 When I reported ALL these things to Astor, after a few pm's he simply REFUSED TO ANSWER MY QUERIES as to "wtf" WAS going to be done about a vendor making death threats?
   Astor (or ANY admin) refused to explain "how" it was possible this vendr STILL  HAD a 100 rating EVEN WHEN he had numerous ratings <5! 

 However he did have time to reply to tell me he received 100's of pm's a day, and this one had "slipped through the gaps!"

  He replied saying that becoz it wasn't a screenshot of the Privnote, it was impossible to prove!
 
He became VERY PISSED OFF when I 'challenged his syntheses'  and apparently caused him a large drop in sales as a result, hence why he tells me not to post ... read the full pm in my earlier post on the page before this one.



  AS IF I would be making this shit up!   
And it's clear from the writing styles AND  comments mad about SR admins, it wasn't penned by motek!


This WHOLE shennaingans IS NOT WHAT IT APPEARS ..... I dont think the majority of us have any more to worry about than usual,  and let's see how this  story is presented by the worlds media ..... IMO it will do a 'snowden' on him and make him a ghost who is hardly mentioned whilst the feds continue with their lawless behaviour


Time to get as 'anonymous' as you can, and then some!


Take care all

m m m motek x

So, if Ron Paul was friendlychemist how did he get all those addresses? It's much more then he did business with.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: motek on October 05, 2013, 03:51 am
   "So, if Ron Paul was friendlychemist how did he get all those addresses?"

That my friend, is the 3.6million Btc question!?   

 Becoz I too was quite (very!) shocked by these allegations and must have sent Astor (and Cirrus et al at SR High Command) over 10 requests for more information, which were ignored
I received NO answers from ANYONE about thesE allegations of having access to SR files! 
 
  Before I got this Privnote, from Ron Paul, (AND the first thing I knew something was 'wrong')  I got a pm from a vendor I trusted implicitly, who said to me the he has "just been offered $5k from ANOTHER VENDOR for my address!"  and would I mind 'explaining WTF?'  ......

   I pm'd him back straight away saying "It's RonPaul isn't it?" ,  which, quite surprised I knew, admitted that it was, indeed RonPaul ... and I explained the basics details and this vendor ended up reporting RP for this matter ...
 
  For the vendor's reporting the matter, SR high Command "thanked him", said they would get back to him about it, and NOTHING WAS EVER MENTIONED AGAIN ....

   And then, not long after this, this vendor had some "unexpected "family" troubles" ... which he fixed for a few weeks, and as os july has not been seen or heard of since!

      FARKIN HELL!  I must have sent at least 20 pms, to SR admin and various mods,  until I gave up trying to get a response, 
 
   Many were to Astor,  but aside from his initial brushing aside, what I had said about RonPaul's threats, and  that i  'shouldn't  worry'
 and passed him off as  "just another pathetic keyboard warrior" who is full of shit! 
       Then HOW DID HE STAY A VENDOR?

  I mean , c;mon, seriously, the dude had been a vendor here since mid 2011, and with several 'other vendor accounts'  (he had contacted me through at least 3 trying to elicit information from me with "free offers!")
   And then he's making some VERY SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS ABOUT THE LACK OF SECURITY IN SILK  ROADS SYSTEMS which allow him, AND MANY OTHERS, to access key data about transactions!


   And it seems's that these allegations might not be that far fetched after all ... esp IF it IS TRUE, that DPR  DID DO his 'work' from a cyber cafe (or wireless link, depending who you prefer) using UNENCRYPTED PROCESSES and IF they caught him "hot" .. on line and logged in!  depending on the access/priveledges he had as to wtf has been divulged

 The only thing you can be pretty sure of is data you encrypted with GPG ..... that shit should be secure  for at least a few more years!
 
Love ya all

m m m motek x
 

p.s   I think it's all some AMAZINGLY  CLEVER game being played by DPR  and Co,  where there suddenly numerous "DPR's" are somehow (mis) identified, and in the end it's such a massive clusterfuck that the prosecution wont be able to build a solid case or find a fair jury for many reasons already about!   We could be in for one hell of a show.

Remember Anonymous released 7 PGP encrypted 'files' to various government bodies, and also gaave then a few snippets of  what WAS on those encrypted files, and they 'threatened to release the public keys for ALL the information. IF the governments didn't comply with a number of protocals, .... This recieved little attention, but I have noticed a certain 'change in behaviour' of the major players in both politics and finance, and it makes me wonder what they know, that we are yet to find out!

 we be livin in some crazy arse times here amigos!
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: StExo on October 05, 2013, 04:04 am
How do we know that any of the infiltrators "were prominent members of this community"?

There were 2 people who we are aware of that infiltrated the higher echelons, but this is another matter and not a direct technical security issue. Nobody is going to talk about it now because of threads like this which seems to specialise in snake oil sales.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Cornelius23 on October 05, 2013, 04:48 am
he disappeared about 2 1/2 months ago. The same time when the servers were apparently being watched...

There is no indication that any of the servers were ever being "watched". From the country in which it was hosted, LE obtained an image of the Web server which contained a snapshot of the data it held sometime around July 23.

I feel like it is premature and somewhat naive to accept much of the intelligence regarding the investigation which led to DPR's arrest as veritable. I find it highly unlikely that DPR, notwithstanding his apparent arrogance, would have solicited murder from a new found acquaintance, especially one met under the circumstances described. Furthermore, it's equally unbelievable that DPR would have ordered counterfeit identification from another new found acquaintance, met under similarly unconvincing circumstance, to his residence. The details regarding the cocaine sale do not add up, and to believe that DPR would have played an active role in facilitating that sale is incomprehensible. Conversely, it is more reasonable to accept that LE have fabricated details to effect psychological operations that detract from the character of the man endorsing libertarian ideals that threaten the current state. The amateur mistakes made in the beginning and the clearnet usernames linked to DPR's true identity are believable, and were sufficient in developing the case which led to his arrest. The evidence suggesting he solicited two murders is less convincing.

+1

WOW. Am I the only one who read motek's post? Freindly chemist was ron paul? With the info given, it makes sense.idk...

The complaint clearly states that the person who was 'killed' (who lived in Canada with a wife and three children but has no record of having ever been a Canadian resident) was "known as" FriendlyChemist. If the story in the complaint is true then that's what he was known as.

Guys Time we tell all. Lets all stop pointing fingers for a while and sit back and see what unfolds as far as everthing that went on.
We can all sit here all day racking our brains about this some of the stuff may be rite, but we dont know for sure.
No one should point fingers, just rationally exchange ideas and information. Objective conversation is difficult, but necessary.

Indeed.

Facts thus far - LE brought down SR using insiders. …
There were 2 people who we are aware of that infiltrated the higher echelons, but this is another matter and not a direct technical security issue. Nobody is going to talk about it now because of threads like this which seems to specialise in snake oil sales.

How is this known? I recall nothing about such people in the documents.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: zazoo on October 05, 2013, 05:00 am
Would be incredible if all those mistakes made in the infancy were to frame someone innocent but alas, they will have enough chrges.  Kinda sad after watching that youtube video. Rather die than never see freedom again.  Maybe a real hitman will do him that favour.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: thelorax on October 05, 2013, 05:07 am
Astor!!?? I never liked him, I never trusted him. For all I know he had me set up and had my friend Angel Fernandez killed. But that’s history. I’m here, he’s not. Do you wanna go on with me, you say it. You don’t, then you make a move...

Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: StExo on October 05, 2013, 05:09 am
@Cornelius23: The people we believe were either LE or malicious were nothing to do with the recent seizure, one occurred over a year ago and the other several months ago, they are the only ones we recognised or have reasonable evidence to suggest they did not have the best intentions in their positions so I doubt they are on the criminal complaints or any of that documentation just yet because I doubt they had much a part in the matters. These used to be extremely private affairs, but not that it matters too much now.

Also, astor has been around, just as kmf has been, they are smart guys and keeping their distance from the forums for reasons I can't discuss publicly, but I would vouch for them still.
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: comsec on October 05, 2013, 06:52 am
I was suspicious of that guy (Astor) because

- he was here too much
- he was too helpful
- much of his security advice was very whitehat'ish
- he asked me not to drop "blackhat" advice for real anonymity because he wanted to create "a friendly and easy way for security for new users" and after that I suspected he was FBI because he was leading people down the garden path with some of his advice.

As for  kmfkewm , I was supicious of that guy because he was calling for violence. That's standard cop tactics, it's exactly what Sabu did when he turned informant he changed his Twitter pic to the Al Qaeda islamic black standard flag and started posting crazy pro terrorist shit in hopes of baiting some people.

Who knows, who cares really. Don't trust anybody in this game.



Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on October 05, 2013, 07:33 am
You people that even humor this hollow allegation, let alone agree with it, are utter fucking morons.

Had the entire nature of this scene not been complete anonymity I would give ACTUAL proof that Astor is NOT nor was he ever a federal agent.. or anything else you fucktards can fathom.

Other than one of the best all around people ive met in the year ive been here, he was a highly intelligent, selfless and caring person who out of the goodness of his heart chose to point out and inform all of the security flaws that you ungrateful cunts where not bright enough to catch or know about. My self included. Only, i appreciated it; just as every one else who's ass he tried to help cover should have done.

Im in a sense glad the shit hit the fan here. Its time to clean house and 86 all the people like nanpa and his enthusiasts, by building a new and stronger much more neighborly forum for the true members of this 'community'. Implementing an invite only policy. Enjoy tearing e.o to shreds, you savages. 8)
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: Austrian on October 05, 2013, 07:59 am
kfkewm reminded me of a master_splynter type character with his "respected" past in the scene
also mentioned his old group having access to hitman in previous posts
any people calling total bullshit on these allegations obviously are new to internet
Title: Re: Astor was one of the FBI agents that infiltrated Silk Road. Proof inside.
Post by: SandStorm on October 05, 2013, 09:39 am
- he asked me not to drop "blackhat" advice for real anonymity because he wanted to create "a friendly and easy way for security for new users" and after that I suspected he was FBI because he was leading people down the garden path with some of his advice.

Blackhat is compromising a system without the authorisation of the owners for your own gain. So a blackhat way to anonymity would be to crack the security of the FBI to gain access to the information they have on you and destroy it. Something I doubt you would be able to do.

- much of his security advice was very whitehat'ish

Security is whitehat'ish by default because you install it on your own system where you have full authorisation to do what you like. Blackhat security would be to crack your bank's security and install better security system for your account, which is a weird thing to do imo.