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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: DobisPR on October 02, 2013, 08:09 pm
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Ok, I'm not trying to start a conspiracy about a conspiracy, but all of this doens't add up to me. If the LE actually seized the site, wouldn't the server be taken as "evidence"? This ALL seems like planned out almost. The FEDERAL government shut down yesterday. I mean why today when they've been trying for how long now? Why the fuck is the Silk Road logo in the background? The page looks like a shitty 5th grader made it. And why are the forums still up?
I don't know if this is related at all, but when you go to tormail.com, it says "Hacked by 1923Turk Group"
We need to be questioning this! How can we really know the truth behind all of this? I don't really trust the media, what if this is a frame? Or a set-up to cash out on the MILLIONS of bitcoins that in ESCROW on SILK ROAD SERVERS? 26,000 bitcoins seems a little short....
I have been a member of this community for over a year and a half. I became a vendor a month ago. I made $3,000 in bitcoins selling hash oil. I had great reviews, it's such a good feeling having the happiest customers ever. This has taken a huge tole on a business that had been planned out for months. I am out a lot of money (relatively hah), and we need to question EVERYTHING including THE MEDIA!
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Ok, I'm not trying to start a conspiracy about a conspiracy, but all of this doens't add up to me. If the LE actually seized the site, wouldn't the server be taken as "evidence"? This ALL seems like planned out almost. The FEDERAL government shut down yesterday. I mean why today when they've been trying for how long now? Why the fuck is the Silk Road logo in the background? The page looks like a shitty 5th grader made it. And why are the forums still up?
I don't know if this is related at all, but when you go to tormail.com, it says "Hacked by 1923Turk Group"
We need to be questioning this! How can we really know the truth behind all of this? I don't really trust the media, what if this is a frame? Or a set-up to cash out on the MILLIONS of bitcoins that in ESCROW on SILK ROAD SERVERS? 26,000 bitcoins seems a little short....
I have been a member of this community for over a year and a half. I became a vendor a month ago. I made $3,000 in bitcoins selling hash oil. I had great reviews, it's such a good feeling having the happiest customers ever. This has taken a huge tole on a business that had been planned out for months. I am out a lot of money (relatively hah), and we need to question EVERYTHING including THE MEDIA!
Tormail has been down since they seized Freedom Hosting's servers. AS for tormail.com, that's been gone for like a year and a half. They switched to .org addresses when their servers were seized in Russia. And tormail.com was never the real site; it may or may not (not sure because I never tried to access it that way) have been a gateway to it, but the login was a .onion site
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Ok, I'm not trying to start a conspiracy about a conspiracy, but all of this doens't add up to me. If the LE actually seized the site, wouldn't the server be taken as "evidence"? This ALL seems like planned out almost. The FEDERAL government shut down yesterday. I mean why today when they've been trying for how long now? Why the fuck is the Silk Road logo in the background? The page looks like a shitty 5th grader made it. And why are the forums still up?
Initially I thought the same thing; the only thing keeping me from saying this is BS is the shitload of press coverage
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I'm with ye on this one too guys....
I've only seen online articles stating about DPR but not once have I seen it on any news program on the tv.??
Surely it'd be number 1 headline for any news station???
Just something not right indeed and i'd like to hope that it is the case that the feds haven't a hold of it at all and there is some other possible explanation. Wishful thinking I know but it's not impossible.
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Why the fuck is the Silk Road logo in the background? The page looks like a shitty 5th grader made it. And why are the forums still up?
I couldn't figure out what the fuck you were talking about at first, but I see that shit now.
It's not the former site logo, it's 10x bigger; but yeah, I do see it. It looks like a watermark on the seized page. That is definitely a little strange. Why would the Feds create a custom seizure page for SR complete with the logo as a watermark.
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Has anyone thought that Silk Road could of been an American government site. Now with lack of funding because of shutdown they had to close it somehow......queue a patsy to be arrested, site shut down.... or look we are heroes we caught DPR!
Only a conspiracy theory and based on no fact
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We'll probably get a lot of conspiracy stories... and it'll take a long time to clear things up if that happens at all.
The DPR arrest story sounds plausible, but then again, lets first wait and see what happens to the money in escrow and in our wallets. The 26000 BTC seized are nothing compared to what was there, and it will turn up somewhere eventually if we do not get it back.
There was a panic sale for a bit, but it seems to have hit bottom at > us$100 for now.
One possible scenario is that the btc in escrow and wallets will actually end up in limbo: in a wallet, on a server, that has been uplugged and cannot be restarted because its file system is encrypted and noone knows/provides the password for.
If government actually took the escrow, they will have a hard time selling it for dollars - it would cause a drop more severe than what we have seen today, there might be (half) a million BTC tangled up in here, and that cannot be sold off without markets taking serious notice of the sheer volume.
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I don't know if this is true, but there is a thread where someone said that the forums had the same image up this morning? I can't find the thread (too lazy), but if this is true, then isn't that evidence that this is all fake?
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I don't know if this is true, but there is a thread where someone said that the forums had the same image up this morning? I can't find the thread (too lazy), but if this is true, then isn't that evidence that this is all fake?
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=216572.msg1583003#msg1583003
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I don't know if this is true, but there is a thread where someone said that the forums had the same image up this morning? I can't find the thread (too lazy), but if this is true, then isn't that evidence that this is all fake?
I seen that post you're referring to ya.... Ah I don't think it'd defo mean it's faked. Possible that it is a change of mind somewhere amongst the fed fucks to leave it for a while and get as much info saved form the forums as possible and keeping watch on people talking about alternatives and stuff like that. I'm no expert obviously but there's endless possibilities of what is going to happen at this early stage. I'm sure in this time 24hrs we'll understand a lot more of what's going on.
At least I hope so :/
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Has anyone thought that Silk Road could of been an American government site. Now with lack of funding because of shutdown they had to close it somehow......queue a patsy to be arrested, site shut down.... or look we are heroes we caught DPR!
Only a conspiracy theory and based on no fact
I've actually thought for a long time that the Government ran SR, and that's why it was able to stay running so strong for so long.
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Just remember everyone: we've had 'road' bumps like this in the past where everyone thinks the Silk Road would be down forever. Even though this is a bit more major, we still stand strong as a community, and after every road bump the Silk Road comes back stronger than ever!
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Everyone keeps saying oh the government is shutdown and its a hoax.
Well ESSENTIAL government agencies are still up and running and are going to continue. You need to remember any currency transactions taking place behind the back of the government is automatically classified as "terrorism funding" and are going to try shutting it down.
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Has anyone noticed that the title at the top still says "Silk Road". Wouldn't the LE make it something uh, I don't know, official? Wouldn't they redirect it to a more official website?
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forreal, sometimes when i try to look at shit on the forums i get an "error" on the tabs its opened on and i see the silk road anonymous marketplace logo on the top left hand side....i was thinking that theyd remove that no? i mean its seized, maybe i dunno how these seizures work so i could be just speculating
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im so upset so many speculations its important for us to stay strong and stay a community. we have overcame alot in the short time we have been together ! we can make it through this ! love you all!
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We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
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UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL. That is their strategy - divide and conquer. I love this community and I will do whatever I can to protect it. Let's stay UNITED!
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Just remember everyone: we've had 'road' bumps like this in the past where everyone thinks the Silk Road would be down forever. Even though this is a bit more major, we still stand strong as a community, and after every road bump the Silk Road comes back stronger than ever!
This feels less like a bump and more like the road ended with a brick wall. We can only hope that something good will come of this. I already hate our government already but I swear on my life I'll do something, anything I can, to take these bastards down in the end. My current goal is to finish novels I'm working on and publishing them. One of them is about weed legalization and how the government and DEA are the real villains here, not the dealers, growers and users. I need to pour all of this anger into this book and strike a blow against these evil people.
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Not to mention this was in the Forbes article.... the LEO talking about it doesn't want to be named. Doesn't that seem fishy too?
“This is supposed to be some invisible black market bazaar. We made it visible,” says an FBI spokesperson, who asked not to be named. “When you interviewed [Ulbricht], he said he would never be arrested. But no one is beyond the reach of the FBI. We will find you.”
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The logo and the "murder for hire" shit are what confuse me the most. Who the fuck is friendlychemist? What was his deal?
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The logo and the "murder for hire" shit are what confuse me the most. Who the fuck is friendlychemist? What was his deal?
I do think they were getting extorted by hackers etc during one of the down times earlier this year.
We really don't know what the NSA's actual tech capabilities are so it is possible on way or another that he did send this message, but obv it's unlikely he didn't encrypt. Honestly, we will never know what really happened.
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I do think they were getting extorted by hackers etc during one of the down times earlier this year.
We really don't know what the NSA's actual tech capabilities are so it is possible on way or another that he did send this message, but obv it's unlikely he didn't encrypt. Honestly, we will never know what really happened.
I'm hoping more details will be forthcoming, but it's worth noting for now that they don't seem to have caught DPR via internet technology as such. It seems to be 'classic' policing. I am curious as to how they found out which servers SR was on and how they obtained an image, but didn't takedown the servers. The timing seems suspiciously close to the FH/tormail debacle.
BTW, am I the first person to notice that your username is a character from the Dune series; a business man who made his money harvesting chemicals and drugs from plants and the first to commercialise Spice! Well played! +1
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you cant tell me DPR was that ignorant to make the simple mistakes he made. posting his name in public forums, murder for hire? (total bullshit how would a SR user be able to expose n e one?? i mean isnt everyones address destroyed and isnt everything supposed to be encrypted), using public wifi in an internet cafe 500 ft from his house?!? Its almost impossible to believe he did this with SR being founded on anonymity and how much we pride ourselves and stress on how much we need to stay anonymous. He didnt use TAILS? he made a fucking twitter account?!?!? THEY CANNOT BE TALKING ABOUT THE FOUNDER OF THIS FUCKING COMMUNITY?!?!?....i mean at the end of the day hes still innocent until proven guilty and he hasnt been charged with ne thing.
Y no mugshot or footage?? this shit is epic i mean come on with everything going on the news would be milking the shit out of this, ive only seen shit on the web like someone stated earlier in the post. I honestly am not buying this bullshit and i refuse to believe n e thing i see in the news, i advise u guys to do the same.
but yes i hope the forums stay up and we can stay a community united. ill be around as long as there up !
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Hello everyone ,
I am no USA expert , but even my partner said it does not look real the announcement on the log in page , is there any way to make sure it is real , maybe a warrant search , court transcripts? off which issued the warrant?
I have secured my user name on Sheep , as was worried some one else might trade off our Rep from SR.
Hopeful SR will be back up , they managed to outsmart them for a long time , and i am sure they are working hard to get it back up .
Kindest Regards
RP
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Just to add, I was using the site when it happened.
One minute, I am navigating the site, the next... I click a link, the takedown notice is there. All very very sudden, with no black patches in-between.
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Yes, the link is floating around to the 30-40 page pdf of the warrant request outlining all of the FACTS. Please everyone READ IT. LE might not be too quick to put up a mugshot as they might be rubber hosing him in a back room for a few days. His bail hearing or arraignment I think you call it is on Friday. Then you will see it.
From another thread;
Want to say that the camel in background is less questionable to us then the seizure notice in the 1st place.
There is NOTHING to seize, it is not a domain, it is a cryptographic function. You can't seize it. "Hidden Site" ?
Many things can be wrong here, we agree but try not to spread FUD.
BUT - there is someone arrested and LE believes that person is DPR and the site is down. These are FACTS and there is no hoax.
IF the arrest happen as said at 3:15pm PST on 10/1, and there was a dead man switch of sorts or it took awhile for others to find out and enact shutdown procedures that could explain the odd notice. These things are really not relevant right now and only spread Uncertainty and Doubt.
There is also very little doubt in our minds that on July 23rd LE DID get a live image of the running SR web server.
So whether the seizure notice is real or part of a shutdown plan don matter much right now. LE did get an image at one point and that is a TREASURE trove of information. And there IS a person under arrest that LE strongly believes is DPR.
Throwing around conspiracy theories and focusing on the seizure notice is not helpful right now. Maybe it's best not to look to deeply into it right now.....
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The fall of Silk Road isn't mentioned anywhere in my country's news. How other media and press were able to get information this fast?
Any way, regardless that this community is mostly on the other side of the law, i saw lot of humanity with everyone sharing advices and lending money to those who needed it. And even vendors gave legit advices and didn't push people to buy their products. It's hard to see any criminals here.
But i personally keep low profile for now and see how things go. Whether it's LE or someone else.
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Its is all over the press for instance in uk bbc news
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24373759
It could be a way of forcing vendors to another black market sight , for FBI intelligence purposes ?
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you cant tell me DPR was that ignorant to make the simple mistakes he made. posting his name in public forums, murder for hire? (total bullshit how would a SR user be able to expose n e one?? i mean isnt everyones address destroyed and isnt everything supposed to be encrypted), using public wifi in an internet cafe 500 ft from his house?!? Its almost impossible to believe he did this with SR being founded on anonymity and how much we pride ourselves and stress on how much we need to stay anonymous. He didnt use TAILS? he made a fucking twitter account?!?!? THEY CANNOT BE TALKING ABOUT THE FOUNDER OF THIS FUCKING COMMUNITY?!?!?....i mean at the end of the day hes still innocent until proven guilty and he hasnt been charged with ne thing.
Y no mugshot or footage?? this shit is epic i mean come on with everything going on the news would be milking the shit out of this, ive only seen shit on the web like someone stated earlier in the post. I honestly am not buying this bullshit and i refuse to believe n e thing i see in the news, i advise u guys to do the same.
but yes i hope the forums stay up and we can stay a community united. ill be around as long as there up !
Everyone who ran SR , and yes it's just not one guy, are very very very very rich in the 2 1/2 years of operation. They ran into the same problem the cartel's have. Where to put all the cash. And it damn sure isn't in Bitcoin. SR is a procurement cartel pure and simple. These guys have more currency than they know what to do with, they simply retired. They got what was left in my account.
I don't buy the LE aspect of this, they just shut thier doors as planned. Regardless the reason, I 'm glad I was a customer, now on to the next site that has the goods.
Bikerbum
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nah they are not going to reveal how they got him. it's like doing an illegal wiretap and then "discovering" something else to justify a warrant or something.
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Many things can be wrong here, we agree but try not to spread FUD.
BUT - there is someone arrested and LE believes that person is DPR and the site is down. These are FACTS and there is no hoax.
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Throwing around conspiracy theories and focusing on the seizure notice is not helpful right now. Maybe it's best not to look to deeply into it right now.....
+1 flwrchlds9
Any way, regardless that this community is mostly on the other side of the law, i saw lot of humanity with everyone sharing advices and lending money to those who needed it. And even vendors gave legit advices and didn't push people to buy their products. It's hard to see any criminals here.
Yes, there was plenty of criminal (illegal) activity, very little criminal (unethical) behaviour and many people helping with harm reduction and other good advice.