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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: wavelength on July 17, 2013, 03:19 am
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envious is about to get lsz, and jannis already has a stock of it.
they also both obviously have al-lad, and envious' thread got taken down so i figured i should make a thread for experiences and things of the sort. ;)
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yeah fuck those mods! anyway...... LSZ in stock but i still have to make the listings. tonight! :)
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subb'ing
Too bad about your forum thread, Envious... I wish it hadn't been deleted... would you mind elaborating a bit about what happened there?
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Well, i found one LSZ trip report. It's not that helpful really, but it's something.
The slow onset has probably to do with the food ingested at the same time as the 2nd half tab.
Also, the person who wrote this didn't take LSD for 20 years. So comparison to acid is kinda...vague..
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/683345-quot-er-giggly-ergoloids-quot-LSz-2-x-75ug-experienced?p=11692226
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I have heard AL-LAD is more visual. Can anyone confirm/elaborate on this claim?
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LSZ is up.
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can't wait for good reports and discussion of either one of these 2 chemicals.
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Got my LSZ today! 8) haven't tried it yet, on account that I took some MDMA and psilocybin this weekend, but I plant on trying it later in the week. Under my weak(intentionally) long-wave UV, it looks right, glows somewhat brighter and ever so slightly more green and blue, subtle but different than the AL-LAD, which follows what I've read in the literature, however, I got the WoW AL-LAD, which was thicker and smaller, so the difference in blotter might make a difference. Other than the fluorescence, which is bright, with some brighter around the middle of the strip(probably capillary action/gravity bringing the LSZ to the surface) it looks totally even on the other side. I have naturally low tolerance to LSD so I'm not worried about tripping. I'm more interested to see if it is comparable to some of the Brotherhood doses I took back in the day, 1994-1999 and I've only tripped a handful of times since. During that time, I had maybe 3 or 4 suppliers and never bought at festivals, so I've never gotten anything that I don't honestly think was LSD except for a couple of "extraordinarily clean" doses, and the recent AL-LAD, which was as advertized. I doubt the duration will be shorter that AL-LAD, although that too, is speculation, based on what I know about LSD metabolism, and the nichols paper.. We shall see. I'm excited! ::)
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Got my LSZ today!
im jealous as fuck! :D
know how many you are going to try for your first run with it?
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know how many you are going to try for your first run with it?
Just one, 150ug, I figure if the binding affinity is close to LSD, that would be enough, for me at least.
I have a friend who takes SSRIs and trips(he gets visuals, but not that high) I might test 2 or 3 on him first, just to gauge any physical side effects, and effects of tolerance, because SSRIs generaly affect the HT2a receptor complex more than others.. The numbers from the Nichols study show that it has a close to LSD affinity at the 5HT2A receptor, 8nM(LSZ) vs 4nM(LSD) which seems like a bigger difference than it is, because receptor affinity can be in the 2000+nM range for a compound. Taking it is the only real way to know.
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http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=100823
did someone write there experience on the clearnnet from Jannis's tabs?? cuz this was made today with 150ug tabs just like Jannis!!
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Hello friends,
Here is my trip report of Jannis AL-LAD tabs from the Avengers thread :
Trip Report of Jannis AL-LAD tabs :
Last Friday I was camping with my friends somewhere in the forests. We set up tent, mats, made food and played psychedelic Hi-Tech Trance music.
Around 0:00AM we took 1 tab each. I started feeling the effects after about 30 minutes. After one hour I was thrilled from the music and felt the AL-LAD much stronger. At 2:00 I took another half tab. As I managed to add more wood to the fire, and the music just can't sound any better, I looked up the sky and felt like we are marking the spot for the aliens to come. I whispered : "Why are we here?... What is this universe?..." I wanted to meet some divine entities to get the answers. At 3:00 I took the second half. After a while, I started to feel like we have guests with us in the dark forest. I started seeing many lights far in the forest and the lights were moving. then, I saw some lights coming towards us on the sand trail. I told to my friends to look at the lights and told them we are visited by aliens. They laughed and were sure that these are just some other guys hanging out like us, but I was sure it's not. I mean, who is crazy enough to go tripping in the dark forest like us? So I started to walk on the sand trail to the light's direction, I hear the loud music from behind. As I'm looking to the sides of me I see many moving lights that looked like spaceships and moving aliens. I started seeing shining creatures from the lights. The creatures were hiding in the woods. I whispered to them : "Come..." and then, the creatures looked like they are coming to my direction and they were many. At this point I got too scared :o and just turned my back and came back to the camp. I told my friends to come with me and when they came, we didn't see any lights; maybe it's because I was the only one with Alien Contact state of mind; And maybe I was just not ready to get the answers from those divine entities. At 6:00AM the effects calmed down.
The effects lasted until the morning at about 10AM.
Based on the fact that the latest dose was at 3AM I assume that the effects last for about 6 hours.
Based on the visual distortion I had, I assume the total dose I took was somewhere in the 250ug area if I compare it to LSD, but since it's not LSD I can't tell the true potency of the substance. :)
Well, to summarize, I had a wonderful, crazy, dark, mysterious, psychedelic night; And the AL-LAD is legit ;)
Thanks to Psykovksy, Kindzadza, Osom, Furious, Dark Whisper and many more for guiding my trip through the night and of course, thanks to Jannis :D
Psykovsky - Hellove Ja Wohl Yo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWRaLmIrTJ8
Kindzadza - Eye In the Sky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATAxaM6GQtE
Osom - Barmatun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD1ZyuZMe00
Furious - Hellworld
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNuFFlPDtE4
Dark Whisper--- Psychedelicumbia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koRJ94qYtOM
P.S. - The paper of the tabs is the type of papers I hate, the one that is too hard and ain't melts inside the mouth ;)
Happy Journeys,
BPM
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That's awesome GGGreenbud, Hopefully your friend will be able to describe the visuals, produced by LSZ in detail sometime soon. Let us know!
I'm sitting on a ten strip of 150ug LSZ blotters that i acquired from the vendor envious. I'm just waiting for a couple more trip reports to surface the forums first. So far this molecule seems promising. I am in no way looking to replace my beloved LSD, but it's always fun to try new things.
I will most likely be dropping two 150ug LSZ tabs this coming Monday. I will be taking it with my gorgeous little lady friend. She'll be dropping one or maybe two tabs as well. We will both be writing in depth trip reports for all of your curious minds.
Stay tuned.
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I guess my friend over-did it. He took 300ug, then after I left, he popped another 300ug. Vomiting was the major side effect, although he tripped hard. I don't know if this is a ceiling dose effect, it could be totally unrelated to any of it. The guy is on SSRIs and even though I've told him numerous times that he should cut his dosage down a couple days before a planned trip, he never does, so his tolerance is pretty high most of the time. He still said he would do it again, at 150ug. I'm not going to blame the drug for this, people on SSRIs shouldn't take huge doses of stuff in attempt to overcome the limiting factor, and should instead cut their dose down and plan appropriately. I think people need to know that if you take too much, it is possible to have unwanted effects. I've puked my guts out before off very pure LSD(on a bumpy car ride) so it can happen to anyone. I was planning on doing 300ug, but after this, I'm thinking 150ug is a good place to start.
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Both Jannis and envious are 5 "star" vendors with more class than imaginable.
Anybody else interested in trying out a higher dose?
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Anybody else interested in trying out a higher dose?
Possibly, would start slowly and progress carefully.
How many trip reports do we have for these 2 substances floating around?
Vanquish
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I guess my friend over-did it. He took 300ug, then after I left, he popped another 300ug. Vomiting was the major side effect, although he tripped hard. I don't know if this is a ceiling dose effect, it could be totally unrelated to any of it. The guy is on SSRIs and even though I've told him numerous times that he should cut his dosage down a couple days before a planned trip, he never does, so his tolerance is pretty high most of the time. He still said he would do it again, at 150ug. I'm not going to blame the drug for this, people on SSRIs shouldn't take huge doses of stuff in attempt to overcome the limiting factor, and should instead cut their dose down and plan appropriately. I think people need to know that if you take too much, it is possible to have unwanted effects. I've puked my guts out before off very pure LSD(on a bumpy car ride) so it can happen to anyone. I was planning on doing 300ug, but after this, I'm thinking 150ug is a good place to start.
sounds reckless. i wouldn't recommend 600ug of an undocumented RC to anyone even not on SSRIs.
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I guess my friend over-did it. He took 300ug, then after I left, he popped another 300ug. Vomiting was the major side effect, although he tripped hard. I don't know if this is a ceiling dose effect, it could be totally unrelated to any of it. The guy is on SSRIs and even though I've told him numerous times that he should cut his dosage down a couple days before a planned trip, he never does, so his tolerance is pretty high most of the time. He still said he would do it again, at 150ug. I'm not going to blame the drug for this, people on SSRIs shouldn't take huge doses of stuff in attempt to overcome the limiting factor, and should instead cut their dose down and plan appropriately. I think people need to know that if you take too much, it is possible to have unwanted effects. I've puked my guts out before off very pure LSD(on a bumpy car ride) so it can happen to anyone. I was planning on doing 300ug, but after this, I'm thinking 150ug is a good place to start.
sounds reckless. i wouldn't recommend 600ug of an undocumented RC to anyone even not on SSRIs.
+1 to Envioso for this answer!
Nice to see sellers who actually care about what happens to their customers...
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sounds reckless. i wouldn't recommend 600ug of an undocumented RC to anyone even not on SSRIs.
+1 to Envioso for this answer!
Nice to see sellers who actually care about what happens to their customers...
I totally agree, thanks for the concern. :-X I'm definitely only going to be dosing LSZ in single doses, working my way up to a maximum of 300ug, on myself, until I can get a better handle on how it works. The experience isn't always dose-related, as I've seen many times, the optimization of the physical condition, as well as set and setting, can have profound effects on the trip.
UPDATE: I would just like to add, that after trying the compound at 150ug, that it is a fine psychedelic in the classical sense, a bit more unforgiving than LSD, slightly longer come-up, but not crazy or gut-wrenching. Not being on any kind of SSRIs, I've determined that the effects described by my friend is likely a direct contraindication between SSRIs and LSZ. The reason LSD is tolerated somewhat well by people on SSRIs, is because it affects other receptors than 5HT2a and therefor, people with a blockade at that receptor can still hypothetically have an experience with it. LSZ, on the other hand, is very selective to the 5HT2a/c and 5HT1d/e receptors, so someone with a blockade will not have a psychedelic experience with a potent, selective 5HT2a agonist, that is pleasant. This is supported by Nichols, who invented this compound, and who has stated many times that 5HT2a activity is essential to having a psychedelic experience.
. I believe 100% that preparation is essential to a good experience. This kind of behavior is unacceptable, and the vast majority of people understand that when they decide to start taking an SSRI, tripping is not an option. It isn't worth it, period.
There is some good info on SS-2c(LSZ) on this US government website,
on the receptor affinity stuff I was talking about, here are some affinity profiles
of LSZ compared to Psilocin, LSD, and DOM,
so you can see what I'm talking about, the receptors are rated according to how
selectively the compounds bind to them, 4 being the most active of receptor for each drug.
LSZ is most potent at the 5HT1a receptor, much like DMT,
(clearnet)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2814854/
(this is the site I got the info from, it has profiles for 42 psychoactive/psychedelic drugs)
Psilocin: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.40 5ht1d, 3.37 D1, 3.03 5ht1e, 2.88 5ht1a, 2.83 5ht5a, 2.82 5ht7, 2.82 5ht6, 2.67 D3, 2.52 5ht2c, 2.19 5ht1b, 2.14 5ht2a, 1.77 Imidazoline1, 1.74 SERT, 1.57 Alpha2B, 1.36 Alpha2A, 1.03 Alpha2C
SS-2c: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.22 5ht1b, 2.82 D3, 2.45 5ht7, 2.44 5ht6, 2.32 5ht2a, 2.17 5ht5a, 2.17 5ht2b, 2.03 5ht2c, 1.74 D2, 1.72 Beta1, 1.62 D4, 1.16 5ht1e, 1.14 D1, 1.00 D5, 0.67 Alpha1A, 0.57 Beta2, 0.20 H1
DOM: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.38 Beta2, 2.75 5ht1d, 2.36 5ht2a, 2.30 Alpha2A, 2.13 Alpha2B, 2.10 Alpha2C, 1.87 5ht7, 1.56 Alpha1A, 1.52 5ht1e, 1.51 5ht1a, 1.47 5ht2c, 1.16 5ht6;
LSD: 4.00 5ht1b, 3.77 5ht7, 3.75 5ht6, 3.73 5ht1a, 3.70 5ht1d, 3.64 5ht5a, 3.54 5ht2a, 3.16 D3, 3.11 5ht2b, 3.11 5ht2c, 2.93 Alpha2A, 2.62 5ht1e, 2.55 D2, 2.39 D4, 2.34 D1, 2.05 D5, 1.54 Alpha1A, 1.40 H1, 1.39 Beta1, 1.05 Beta2, 0.65
The similarities are quite obvious, yet the drugs behave very differently, sometimes.
The figures and methods they used to come up with these numbers are very complex,
so this is a good way to simplify, any values are relative to the most active one.
The numbers under 1 indicate very little activity. If you like a drug that
binds to a certain receptor, odds are you will like others that are similar.
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Hello friends,
If anyone is interested, here is the EZ test of Jannis' AL-LAD tabs :
Hello Avengers,
Below is the EZ test of Jannis' AL-LAD tabs. The reaction came positive and no one can have a doubt that this substance is a legit lysergic! :)
(http://imageshack.com/ - clearnet web)
http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/33/jhx8.jpg
http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/443/f8li.jpg
http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/842/rlfr.jpg
Peace,
BPM
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Hello friends,
If anyone is interested, here is the EZ test of Jannis' AL-LAD tabs :
Hello Avengers,
Below is the EZ test of Jannis' AL-LAD tabs. The reaction came positive and no one can have a doubt that this substance is a legit lysergic! :)
(http://imageshack.com/ - clearnet web)
http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/33/jhx8.jpg
http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/443/f8li.jpg
http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/842/rlfr.jpg
Peace,
BPM
Nice, but since Jannis is "out of order" for the moment,
and since there's nothing known about whether or not there will be more of this stuff coming at any time...
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Nice, but since Jannis is "out of order" for the moment,
and since there's nothing known about whether or not there will be more of this stuff coming at any time...
Well, I know but it's just for confirmation that this substance is a legit lysergic :)
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once current supplies are out, that's it. i would say there is a 95% chance that there will be no more produced. if you truly want a stock of these substances stock up, cause they seem to come around about every 10 years and this lab will certainly not be producing more no matter how much you guys beg. for reasons i cannot go into it is much more complicated then simple demand.
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once current supplies are out, that's it. i would say there is a 95% chance that there will be no more produced. if you truly want a stock of these substances stock up, cause they seem to come around about every 10 years and this lab will certainly not be producing more no matter how much you guys beg. for reasons i cannot go into it is much more complicated then simple demand.
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I was on the fence about both of these, but now I am so glad I ordered some! Absolutely cannot wait to try these out. Here's to hoping the mailman brings me something good tomorrow
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Whats up any new trip reports on either the LSZ or AL-LAd? Its amazing how lucky we are to be able to source these at the moment, i figured there would be way more in depth trip reports out there? Anybody?
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once current supplies are out, that's it. i would say there is a 95% chance that there will be no more produced. if you truly want a stock of these substances stock up, cause they seem to come around about every 10 years and this lab will certainly not be producing more no matter how much you guys beg. for reasons i cannot go into it is much more complicated then simple demand.
So yeah, I was wrong guys. I am bringing back the bulk. I got a small amount of 50s and 100s up but will have more up by next week. Things are never as black and white as they seem. Enjoi!
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I've been saving various AL-LAD reports that I've found here on the forums and SR in the reviews.
I think AL-LAD has very similar, if not the same, safety profile as LSD. The dose is around the same (maybe slightly more potent), and the effects were very close, though it was slightly more one-sided, like wearing rose-colored glasses. It did not have the fully dualistic nature that LSD has, where you can spend a full hour in hell and then a full hour in heaven only to return to hell if you don't know what you're doing (does that make sense?).
I took 300ug, and it blew my fucking mind, but in a good way.
Much less body load than LSD, same type of trip but a bit more/less speedy
depending on your persuasion and experiences as well as set and setting.
The most amazing stuff I've had in years! It's Ridiculous!
I had the opportunity to try the AL-LAD and I did. I took two blotters sublingually until I swallowed them thirty minutes later. I had the most euphoric 6 hours of my life. I think after the trip Im going to change alot about myself. I just had to update on this. Anyone who sees this shouldnt hesitate because im sure glad i didnt
On to the product itself, one tab had me on another planet. Clean, powerful, positive trip with no negative emotion possible and little breaks in between. I could rave about the product forever. Friends had the same reaction. Will DEFINITELY be back. Get it while you can folks.
Took 2 tabs on the 4th of July in Myrtle Beach.... Shit was fantastic FIREWORKS
Reminded me of the orange sunshine I used to Get!
AL-LAD is fucking amazing. Taking rides on the magic carpet with alladin :)
I sampled about 2/3rds of a tab (~100ug) and the effects were enjoyable. Similar to a low dose of LSD. There was a subtle yet pleasing body high, very slight shifting/breathing visuals, and mildly euphoric. Thought processes were relatively unaltered, and no negative side effects were noticed. I was able to sleep well with the help of some alprazolam about 9 hours after ingestion. I am looking forward to taking a larger dose of this. Big thanks to envious for the chance to try these rare chemicals.
Maybe you should try AL-LAD first as it hass less craziness comparing to LSD. Very clean mental effect. Without any bodyload, sideeffects and what so ever... Very complex multilayered OEV similar to Shipibo patterns. I`d say its closer to shrooms than LSD but its all in your head! This is fucking beautiful!! Pure gold! ;D Thank you Jannis once again for making this stuff available.
The major difference is that it's shorter than LSD. The last dose I took worked for about 6 hours so in comparison to LSD - the same dose would have worked for 8-9 hours, something like that.
If you want shorter trip you might want to choose it rather than acid.
Besides the shorter duration, to me, the effects are almost similar. This substance is from the honorable Lysergic family. It's the third one I'd tried from this family (After LSD and LSA) and I can truly say that the effects of this family are similar. Think of it as Acid's brother...
Trip Report of Jannis AL-LAD tabs :
Last Friday I was camping with my friends somewhere in the forests. We set up tent, mats, made food and played psychedelic Hi-Tech Trance music.
Around 0:00AM we took 1 tab each. I started feeling the effects after about 30 minutes. After one hour I was thrilled from the music and felt the AL-LAD much stronger. At 2:00 I took another half tab. As I managed to add more wood to the fire, and the music just can't sound any better, I looked up the sky and felt like we are marking the spot for the aliens to come. I whispered : "Why are we here?... What is this universe?..." I wanted to meet some divine entities to get the answers. At 3:00 I took the second half. After a while, I started to feel like we have guests with us in the dark forest. I started seeing many lights far in the forest and the lights were moving. then, I saw some lights coming towards us on the sand trail. I told to my friends to look at the lights and told them we are visited by aliens. They laughed and were sure that these are just some other guys hanging out like us, but I was sure it's not. I mean, who is crazy enough to go tripping in the dark forest like us? So I started to walk on the sand trail to the light's direction, I hear the loud music from behind. As I'm looking to the sides of me I see many moving lights that looked like spaceships and moving aliens. I started seeing shining creatures from the lights. The creatures were hiding in the woods. I whispered to them : "Come..." and then, the creatures looked like they are coming to my direction and they were many. At this point I got too scared :o and just turned my back and came back to the camp. I told my friends to come with me and when they came, we didn't see any lights; maybe it's because I was the only one with Alien Contact state of mind; And maybe I was just not ready to get the answers from those divine entities. At 6:00AM the effects calmed down.
The effects lasted until the morning at about 10AM.
Based on the fact that the latest dose was at 3AM I assume that the effects last for about 6 hours.
Based on the visual distortion I had, I assume the total dose I took was somewhere in the 250ug area if I compare it to LSD, but since it's not LSD I can't tell the true potency of the substance. :)
Well, to summarize, I had a wonderful, crazy, dark, mysterious, psychedelic night; And the AL-LAD is legit ;)
AL-LAD is the best psychedelic I have ever put into my body
I tripped for the 4th and OH MY GOSH THIS CHEMICAL IS AWESOME. WOW mind-blowing 10000/10. So trippy
AL-LAD is godsend. It is by far my favorite tryptamine besides DMT.
I didn't keep track of the authors of these reviews so if one of these reviews is yours and you want credit for it, PM me and I'll update my post.
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Wow man, amazing, any source of this?
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Wow man, amazing, any source of this?
Not sure if you were asking me for the source of those quotes or envious for the source of his analogues. Since the answer to the latter isn't likely to be forthcoming :) I will assume your question is directed to me.
Those quotes are all specifically from AL-LAD listings of envious and jannis, and from forum reviews of their products, all from within the past couple months here on Silk Road.
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Sounds amazing. Subn.
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I've decided to open up international sales of AL-LAD/LSZ to the specified locations on the listings. Check my vendor page. Looking forward to international business!
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I'm going to try an experiment soon, while I've done AL-LAD and LSZ recently, I haven't done any LSD in a couple of years. So what I'm planning on doing is 260ug of LSD and compare the effects to 225-250ug(approximately the equivalent, from what I can tell) LSZ, a couple of weeks later, for science, and to point out the differences/similarities, as I haven't done LSD in a while. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm thinking the LSD would be a good control, as I have more experience with it, although the LSZ probably results in less tolerance, hence the couple of weeks between trips. I will definitely post the trip reports/results in this thread. If anyone else has any ideas on how to do this, I'm open to suggestions!