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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: marsvolta12 on April 10, 2012, 05:38 pm
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I dont want to go into detail.
ordered...
Federal agents busted in.
They waved wire transfers in my face
Asked if i ordered anything from the internet.
Arrested me on another drug they found
Brought me down to federal custody
Dropped the mail chargers because they didnt have enough evidence
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transfers from where to where?
feel free to pm as I doubt you want to post that in the open.
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also, why didn't they take your computer? How was your security on that front? Again, pm please.
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Was the reason they came to you the Wire Transfers? This is very unsettling news.
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ALSO! Were you ordering LARGE amounts?
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shit happens mate, what kind of wire was that, I can imagine feds waving barbed wire, for Christ sake .. thier gone mad.
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yeah this isn't as helpful without a little more detail, but I understand wanting to keep things close to the chest.
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dont let those agnets get you down brother
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This is really scary hope everything goes alright.
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Hope everything goes OK. Let us know anything if and when you can.
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Any idea on who you ordered from that caused this?
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That sucks. Best of luck. Keep us updated if you can.
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Any idea on who you ordered from that caused this?
Can definitely not say anything for sure, but if I had to guess I would say it isn't related to the vendor but to the method of getting BTC. Wire transfers led to them flagging mail coming in to that address. If anything knowing the way BTC were acquired may help prevent this in the future. I'd also hope the vendor knows as that return address may be flagged now as well.
Until more comes out, all we can do is speculate...
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Yeah, more detail would help... Did you order "large" quantities of good, or were they small personal shipments.
For most of us on SR, the only reason I could see them coming after a small time buyer is to get more information on the seller.
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they didnt have enough evidence
this
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Can definitely not say anything for sure, but if I had to guess I would say it isn't related to the vendor but to the method of getting BTC. Wire transfers led to them flagging mail coming in to that address. If anything knowing the way BTC were acquired may help prevent this in the future. I'd also hope the vendor knows as that return address may be flagged now as well.
Until more comes out, all we can do is speculate...
YES! I do believe that the method that the bitcoins were acquired has a lot to do with it. (If not everything!!) People can say "Investing in bitcoins is not illegal" all they want, but the feds aren't THAT stupid. So if you could possibly shed some light on this situation that would be great! (where possible, I know you're not wanting to say much and I definitely do not blame you).
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u guys have no idea what u are talking about. for all u know he could of wire transferred directly to abu jihad in afghanistan for a kilo of heroin. i really doubt it has anything to do with bitcoins.
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Sorry, but this is bullshit. You cant just jump in here and do this, we need more info.
We need to understand what happened as quickly as possible. Even if you have to relay it to another user, we need to know ASAP.
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well if you buy bitcoins via a wire transfer with your real ID they are tied to your real identity til you mix them
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u guys have no idea what u are talking about. for all u know he could of wire transferred directly to abu jihad in afghanistan for a kilo of heroin. i really doubt it has anything to do with bitcoins.
LOL that made me laugh. Abu Jihad...
But you do make a really valid point, Envious. But there are places that require wire transfer in order to acquire bitcoins. He may have already been on watch too. Plus they were asking him if he had been ordering things on the internet... this is what brings me back to thinking he got busted buying bitcoins. They didn't have enough evidence to bust him for receiving drugs in the mail but they had the suspicion that he was going to buy illegal things online.
Who knows :o
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Thank god I buy my bitcoins anonymously. Still, this has me very on edge. I'd love for you to release some more info OP. Seems like LE is starting to strengthen their awareness on the mail order scene.
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they didnt have enough evidence
this
Again, this. Sounds like the transfers were a classic scare tactic used in the hope of obtaining a confession and as an excuse to go fishing. They got him for not keeping a clean house, that's it. No need to panic, though i certainly hope he/she is ok...
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i think i know what happened.. he had a major interception and then they investigated further and saw he was buying btc with wire transfers. cant really go into it anymore than that. but it did not originate with him buying btc there was an interception first.
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Not to belittle op's situation, but without specifics, why post it here? You never know what kind of shit someone is caught up in outside of Silk Road, or what kind of heat they bring upon themselves.
Who knows what he was doing with his wire transfers, or whatever else he might have done to cause the feds to draw down on him.
Dire warnings are posted here all the time, and I can't recall a single one that offered anything concrete in the way of details. If anyone has a link to such a thread, I'd really be interested in reading it.
OP, I'm sorry this happened to you. I'd just like to know what the link to the road is? PM it to someone under a new account if you really feel uncomfortable talking about it..
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i think i know what happened.. he had a major interception and then they investigated further and saw he was buying btc with wire transfers. cant really go into it anymore than that. but it did not originate with him buying btc there was an interception first.
That would make sense. BTC is definitely on their radar but not a determining factor. Just wondering if your speculating or have solid info about the interception first though.
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u guys have no idea what u are talking about. for all u know he could of wire transferred directly to abu jihad in afghanistan for a kilo of heroin. i really doubt it has anything to do with bitcoins.
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Could've paid outside escrow to somebody with Western Union directly.
Also seems they have zero evidence.. hopefully this guy get's off since they dropped the mail charge. If that's the case, and he has a good lawyer, they can throw out the seized drugs charge too since it was an illegal search if they have nothing on him.
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i think i know what happened.. he had a major interception and then they investigated further and saw he was buying btc with wire transfers. cant really go into it anymore than that. but it did not originate with him buying btc there was an interception first.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
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Major interception as being a very large order or just "something" was intercepted?
I used a wire transfer once, but I bought a book with my BTC. After that it's all been cash deposits into the bank with no trail.
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i had some solid intel and put 2 and 2 together... major meaning large amount
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i had some solid intel and put 2 and 2 together... major meaning large amount
It'd be interesting to know what sort of 'large ammount' causes this kind of investigation.
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i had some solid intel and put 2 and 2 together... major meaning large amount
It'd be interesting to know what sort of 'large ammount' causes this kind of investigation.
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I find it interesting they just busted in without controlled delivery then dropped all charges except for what they found in his place.
Sounds like a major fuckup on their part, hoping this guy just cops to whatever they found and doesn't get a lawyer to question the warrant in the first place if no charges were laid.
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i had some solid intel and put 2 and 2 together... major meaning large amount
Thanks, no more info needed. Warning heeded and should be recognized to all who apply.
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This story reeks of bullshit. What kind of douche can't see that he spelled "agent" wrong right in the title? That makes me think he's illiterate and its not just a typo.
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Whether it went down the way op said or not,
one possibility LE may be working is posing as sellers and distro'ing to gain points and eventually showing up at addy's they receive. Some have said they can't do this or that because of laws but c'mon, agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Could easily happen.
And yea, posting something like that seriously should have something further in detail. Unless it's bs....
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shit happens mate, what kind of wire was that, I can imagine feds waving barbed wire, for Christ sake .. thier gone mad.
This is horrible news but they waved a wire transfer (paper work) in his face not barb wire lol still their fucking ape shit and need to get laid once a year.
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Can definitely not say anything for sure, but if I had to guess I would say it isn't related to the vendor but to the method of getting BTC. Wire transfers led to them flagging mail coming in to that address. If anything knowing the way BTC were acquired may help prevent this in the future. I'd also hope the vendor knows as that return address may be flagged now as well.
Until more comes out, all we can do is speculate...
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If what your speculating happened I see him getting off, Because that sure as hell doesn't constitute a search. What he did was legal, and in no way was that a legal search and seizure. Unless he was dumb enough to let them in without a warrant which I doubt. Last time I checked it wasn't illegal to get bit coins through wire transfer.
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Whether it went down the way op said or not,
one possibility LE may be working is posing as sellers and distro'ing to gain points and eventually showing up at addy's they receive. Some have said they can't do this or that because of laws but c'mon, agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Could easily happen.
And yea, posting something like that seriously should have something further in detail. Unless it's bs....
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This is what I've been attacked for saying all along, but I know you catch the most flak when you're right over the target.
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Whether it went down the way op said or not,
one possibility LE may be working is posing as sellers and distro'ing to gain points and eventually showing up at addy's they receive. Some have said they can't do this or that because of laws but c'mon, agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Could easily happen.
And yea, posting something like that seriously should have something further in detail. Unless it's bs....
I doubt it dude. If that was the case the feds would do everything in their power to get more evidence (there not stupid) I'm sure they would dress up in a gay usps uniform and at least try to get a sig. There not going to waste their time and cash sending drugs and not even try to get you to accept them face to face. especially dea Ive seen them do it on there gay ass t.v. show.
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I doubt it dude. If that was the case the feds would do everything in their power to get more evidence (there not stupid) I'm sure they would dress up in a gay usps uniform and at least try to get a sig. There not going to waste their time and cash sending drugs and not even try to get you to accept them face to face. especially dea Ive seen them do it on there gay ass t.v. show.
The cops aren't going to dress up as mailmen to bust someone for ordering a few hits of acid. I used to think that they would when I was a teen, too, but they don't give a shit about you ordering some acid.
What the cops do want is a list of all the people on here ordering so they can watch you and bust you using info they gather in the physical world. Why bust people for ordering on here and ruin their spy game? This site serves a higher purpose - to gather intel on criminals smart enough to use this new technology (most people have still never heard of Tor), and see how big they are and if they are dealers themselves. Oh, and they get to steal drugs and make money off you.
The fact people on here attack me for explaining this only proves it right.
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Jesus Christ... you people are living in deep deep DENIAL. What the OP wrote is entirely plausible.... The post is consistent with someone who just got busted , is paranoid of giving out further information, and is trying to warn others.
Sorry, but this is bullshit. You cant just jump in here and do this, we need more info.
The more info he gives, the more likely LE will read the thread and connect it with his case. Think: if you got busted, would this not be of utmost concern if you posted on here?
This story reeks of bullshit. What kind of douche can't see that he spelled "agent" wrong right in the title?
Someone who's blood is pumping adrenaline 24/7 after he got busted. You are working really hard to convince yourself it can't be true. Let me guess: You have a package in the mail?
The cops aren't going to dress up as mailmen to bust someone for ordering a few hits of acid.
Are you saying this to reassure yourself? Or are you just incredibly naive? Of course they will do this, you dumbass. There are over 10million people in prison for things JUST LIKE THIS. Even less for that matter.
I used to think that they would when I was a teen, too, but they don't give a shit about you ordering some acid.
...But now that you are 20 years old, , and that the State will not put you in prison for breaking the law. Lol. Yeah , just keep ordering bro. You'll never get popped.
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I think the most likely scenario is what another poster alluded to... a major interception, followed by an investigation , then by search warrant. I'm not sure of the amounts, but I think something along the lines of this....
OP orders a "large amount" (whatever that constitutes), which is seized on the way in to the country. It is to his home address, perhaps to his real name. They silently intercept the package, send no love letter, and begin investigation. They get a warrant (if necessary) to look into people at this residence, including the purported recipient. Their investigation includes looking at recent bank activity of the individuals in question.
They notice transfers to a bitcoin exchange via direct wire from one of the individuals at the residence, 45 days prior, which then they take to a judge along with the seized package addressed to the residence, and obtain a search warrant. They come in waving their 'wire transfer evidence' that they are quite proud of, but the OP doesn't say anything, and since it's been a number of weeks, the related evidence has long-since been eliminated.
They find a personal quantity of whatever drugs happen to be lying around, and since illegal drugs were specified on the search warrant, they charge him with possession of the substance. Later the original charges involving mailing substances are dropped due to insufficient evidence, but the charges related to possession go forward.
So what sort of substance that got seized (likely on the way into the country) would trigger this action? Certainly something like 1kg of anything Schedule I or II. Certainly 100g of anything Schedule I/II. Perhaps 10g of something schedule I/II. Maybe even 1g? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. We are living in a police state.
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Jesus Christ... you people are living in deep deep DENIAL. What the OP wrote is entirely plausible.... The post is consistent with someone who just got busted , is paranoid of giving out further information, and is trying to warn others.
Sorry, but this is bullshit. You cant just jump in here and do this, we need more info.
The more info he gives, the more likely LE will read the thread and connect it with his case. Think: if you got busted, would this not be of utmost concern if you posted on here?
This story reeks of bullshit. What kind of douche can't see that he spelled "agent" wrong right in the title?
Someone who's blood is pumping adrenaline 24/7 after he got busted. You are working really hard to convince yourself it can't be true. Let me guess: You have a package in the mail?
The cops aren't going to dress up as mailmen to bust someone for ordering a few hits of acid.
Are you saying this to reassure yourself? Or are you just incredibly naive? Of course they will do this, you dumbass. There are over 10million people in prison for things JUST LIKE THIS. Even less for that matter.
I used to think that they would when I was a teen, too, but they don't give a shit about you ordering some acid.
...But now that you are 20 years old, , and that the State will not put you in prison for breaking the law. Lol. Yeah , just keep ordering bro. You'll never get popped.
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I think the most likely scenario is what another poster alluded to... a major interception, followed by an investigation , then by search warrant. I'm not sure of the amounts, but I think something along the lines of this....
OP orders a "large amount" (whatever that constitutes), which is seized on the way in to the country. It is to his home address, perhaps to his real name. They silently intercept the package, send no love letter, and begin investigation. They get a warrant (if necessary) to look into people at this residence, including the purported recipient. Their investigation includes looking at recent bank activity of the individuals in question.
They notice transfers to a bitcoin exchange via direct wire from one of the individuals at the residence, 45 days prior, which then they take to a judge along with the seized package addressed to the residence, and obtain a search warrant. They come in waving their 'wire transfer evidence' that they are quite proud of, but the OP doesn't say anything, and since it's been a number of weeks, the related evidence has long-since been eliminated.
They find a personal quantity of whatever drugs happen to be lying around, and since illegal drugs were specified on the search warrant, they charge him with possession of the substance. Later the original charges involving mailing substances are dropped due to insufficient evidence, but the charges related to possession go forward.
So what sort of substance that got seized (likely on the way into the country) would trigger this action? Certainly something like 1kg of anything Schedule I or II. Certainly 100g of anything Schedule I/II. Perhaps 10g of something schedule I/II. Maybe even 1g? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. We are living in a police state.
Yes we are! And they need to feel those beds! The rules have been thrown out the window! And we give out our address uuuuugggggg No wonder we need Valiums. There's more ppl incarcerated than there has ever been in the history of this country! They can read our emails wire tap our phones and do pretty much whatever the fuck they want. A little "sneak and peak" maybe? were "the bad guys"? and there on a military mentality. Check out some of the Occupy Videos and Pictures of the "Police" spraying young people in the face! and tear gas canisters at there heads! Welcome to The Brave New World :'( Hey nice to see you Pine!
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I didn't realize so many people thought that drugs were decriminalized for personal use in USA, until I joined SR forum.
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Hello,
Marsvolta is a well known member on the forum, for me he says the truth is this post, no reason to tell bullshit.
I remember that a few months ago he had an order, something like 20 g of molly sent at 2 different addresses, that he never received. His conclusion was that Dr Amsterdam was a "selective scammer"... So I guess he may have use this addresses again because he never envisaged his orders were seized.
WL
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I doubt it dude. If that was the case the feds would do everything in their power to get more evidence (there not stupid) I'm sure they would dress up in a gay usps uniform and at least try to get a sig. There not going to waste their time and cash sending drugs and not even try to get you to accept them face to face. especially dea Ive seen them do it on there gay ass t.v. show.
The cops aren't going to dress up as mailmen to bust someone for ordering a few hits of acid. I used to think that they would when I was a teen, too, but they don't give a shit about you ordering some acid.
What the cops do want is a list of all the people on here ordering so they can watch you and bust you using info they gather in the physical world. Why bust people for ordering on here and ruin their spy game? This site serves a higher purpose - to gather intel on criminals smart enough to use this new technology (most people have still never heard of Tor), and see how big they are and if they are dealers themselves. Oh, and they get to steal drugs and make money off you.
The fact people on here attack me for explaining this only proves it right.
Where did it say he ordered 2 hits of acid?? Another post said serious purchase. For all we know it could of been a key of K or Molly. And the cops will dress up. They think there the shit, and always assume they can outsmart you. You seem to forget its our money we pay out of our paychecks every week and they need to spend more to up their budged and steal more homes with 2 hits of acid in them. Oh and he said feds not cops.
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IMO, if they intercepted 20g of MDMA from the Netherlands, found supporting evidence in the form of wire transfers, and STILL couldn't make the felony "drugs in the mail" charges stick, then I'm feeling pretty good right now. Of course, there is much speculation involved here, but I wanted to provide an alternate take on things.
Number one, I don't order from the Netherlands. Jesus fucking christ people, seriously. Are you that hard up you can't deal with somebody in the US or Canada? Of all the risky behavior that happens on here, it all pales in comparison to ordering from NL. If I were to look at "What behaviors provide the maximum increase in my chance of getting busted", I think ordering from the NL is even more dangerous than say, not encrypting your address when you purchase. Seriously, just check the "Domestic Only" box, "fan" your favorite Canadian vendors, and never look at shit from Europe again. It will dramatically reduce your risk profile.
Number two, I'll never be ordering 20 grams of any powder ever, that's clearly far beyond personal use, and there is a huge stigma attached to hard drugs that increases the desire to prosecute.
Number three, even with more evidence than they would have had with me, they couldn't make the charges stick. Simple possession sucks, no doubt, but it's not going to result in Pound Me In The Ass Prison.
I'm willing to risk being charged with simple possession. Hell, I risk that every time I leave the house with something in my pocket.
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Whether true or not, these threads (sometimes) get some good speculation and discussions going. Stuff like this isn't really any reason to be paranoid (re: "Not enough evidence found to prosecute"). Especially since the OP was American, this is great news for all my neighbours south of the border. I have a stigma in my mind attached to US enforcement, namely the DEA. In Canada, cross-jurisdictional affairs are dealt with by the RCMP who by no means have any amount of expenditures close to the DEA in the US (per capita of course).
As I said, we do need these discussions to speculate prevention tactics and other precautions to take while on the Road. What rids my mind of paranoia is the fact that I order domestic, and that I feel much sketchier going somewhere physical to buy something (even if it's a friend in some cases). Little chance for plausible deniability when u walk out of a dealers house with a bag of drugs!
Happy driving everyone!
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agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Uh, no. They're not above the law. If anything, detectives/investigators follow the law closer than most cops because they know that if they fucked up one thing then the judge can throw out the case.
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agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Uh, no. They're not above the law. If anything, detectives/investigators follow the law closer than most cops because they know that if they fucked up one thing then the judge can throw out the case.
ROFLMAO!!! You've been watching too many cop shows..lol...how old are you? LMAO....yes, I'm really laughing this hard!
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agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Uh, no. They're not above the law. If anything, detectives/investigators follow the law closer than most cops because they know that if they fucked up one thing then the judge can throw out the case.
ROFLMAO!!! You've been watching too many cop shows..lol...how old are you? LMAO....yes, I'm really laughing this hard!
Judges aren't buddy-buddy with cops, many judges feel it's their personal responsibility to balance out the agents/cops/detectives and call them on their bullshit.
P.S. even though I'm being completely serious, I'm glad I made you laugh...Making people happy is one of life's greatest joys.
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agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Uh, no. They're not above the law. If anything, detectives/investigators follow the law closer than most cops because they know that if they fucked up one thing then the judge can throw out the case.
ROFLMAO!!! You've been watching too many cop shows..lol...how old are you? LMAO....yes, I'm really laughing this hard!
No shit right! Those were the "good ol days" These are post 911 times were in now.....and yes they can pretty much do whatever they want and "fix things" how they want. And do you really think judges give a shit? We put the police and feds and judges on this pedestal as if there all honest or something? some are! some are not. But the rules have changed. Now there trying to push drones for LE and they will. Because no one will stand up and resist..........Occupy! that's all we have! take to the streets if you want change. Or just sit back and let them have there way with us....peace!
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agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Uh, no. They're not above the law. If anything, detectives/investigators follow the law closer than most cops because they know that if they fucked up one thing then the judge can throw out the case.
ROFLMAO!!! You've been watching too many cop shows..lol...how old are you? LMAO....yes, I'm really laughing this hard!
No shit right! Those were the "good ol days" These are post 911 times were in now.....and yes they can pretty much do whatever they want and "fix things" how they want. And do you really think judges give a shit? We put the police and feds and judges on this pedestal as if there all honest or something? some are! some are not. But the rules have changed. Now there trying to push drones for LE and they will. Because no one will stand up and resist..........Occupy! that's all we have! take to the streets if you want change. Or just sit back and let them have there way with us....peace!
do you really think judges give a shit?
Yes, I do. I trust those who have made serious, concerted effort in their life career goals, devoting themselves to law and order. It's not easy to become a judge but those who do go through all the years of studying and testing must have an innate desire for justice.
Now there trying to push drones for LE and they will.
I don't know what this sentence means, I've read it several times but I can't imagine what you mean...
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I posted this in another thread, but I'm copying it here because I think it's relevant and these points are often overlooked.
Yes, cops can sell drugs.
Yes, federal agents can "walk" guns into Mexico.
What I haven't seen mentioned is securing the chain of evidence. The fact that federal agents walked guns into Mexico became an issue when those guns were LOST, and then an agent was killed by one of the same guns.
When cops sell drugs, those drugs, and the recipient, can be followed, tracked, monitored, whatever you want to call it, in order to obtain MORE EVIDENCE. Otherwise, an arrest is made on the spot, and then the cops turn the screws to get that person to roll, cooperate, and inform.
Arbitrarily selling and mailing high potency drugs to random people by LE serves no purpose whatsoever, and at the same time endangers public safety. Once those drugs are mailed, there is no admissible evidence whatsoever unless it can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that said drugs were indeed received, and furthermore, actually ordered, by the recipient- and this cannot happen unless the chain of evidence remains intact from the time the drugs are mailed to the time the drugs are received- hence the concept of a "controlled delivery".
Now, using operation "Fast and Furious" as an example, what kind of shit storm would be created if LE purchased, and subsequently resold, a generous amount high quality Afghani #4, which then caused the deaths of a 12 year old kid and two of his friends who happened to pick that particular package out of their neighbors mailbox during a random act of mischief?
No secure chain of evidence. No reasonable attempt to ensure public safety. No extra-departmental cooperation. Only the DEATHS of a couple of kids to show for their efforts. Such a scandal would eclipse operation Fast and Furious by several orders of magnitude.
Yes, LE can break the law in their attempts to "enforce" the law. But they have to tread very, very carefully in order to be able to actually USE THAT EVIDENCE to secure a conviction in a court of law.
I suppose LE could use informants in place of actual officers, but this is still a pretty risky proposition. Additionally, with the current amount of orders being placed daily on SR, there would need to be cooperation between federal, state, and local law enforcement on a scale never seen before to make such tactics worthwhile.
What happens if a federal agent (or informant) sells to a local cop (or informant) trying to make a name for himself?
What happens if a disgruntled SR member decides to order a nice package of dope from a LE vendor, and has it sent to a cop/prosecutor/judge out of spite?
What happens when a federal agent sells to a young teen who happened to make their way here, and the teen ends up dying?
Who is really who they claim to be when placing an order on the Road in the first place?
If LE attempted to actually snare buyers on SR, it could easily turn out to be a clusterfuck of monumental proportions. Aditionally, it would need to be done on a MASSIVE scale to be the least bit effective- a buyer snagged here and there will eventually lead to one of those buyers posting his tale of woe on the forums. I sure as hell would. And I'd fucking post details, even if I had to use a dummy account on a different computer.
It isn't that I think "cops" are too virtuous to employ these methods- I just don't see these methods being an effective way to disrupt Silk Road, and I have seen no solid evidence to the contrary.
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Whether it went down the way op said or not,
one possibility LE may be working is posing as sellers and distro'ing to gain points and eventually showing up at addy's they receive. Some have said they can't do this or that because of laws but c'mon, agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Could easily happen.
And yea, posting something like that seriously should have something further in detail. Unless it's bs....
I know I already quoted, responded to this post but I have more to say...
showing up at addy's they receive.
Who the fuck would be DUMB enough to use their real address on SR? It says right their in the buyers' guide DON'T USE YOUR HOME ADDRESS, Their are several methods to receiving mail without giving out your address but the easiest way to do it is to find a home where you are familiar with the occupants schedule, say they're at work everyday from 9-5pm, if the mail comes at 3pm, check their mailbox (ones that don't lock obviously.) everyday at 4pm when you're waiting for a package.
And yea, posting something like that seriously should have something further in detail. Unless it's bs....
Someone as paranoid as you, thinking cops can do whatever they want just for the hell of it...is suspicious that this guy didn't tell us everything out of concern for being arrested?
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agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Uh, no. They're not above the law. If anything, detectives/investigators follow the law closer than most cops because they know that if they fucked up one thing then the judge can throw out the case.
ROFLMAO!!! You've been watching too many cop shows..lol...how old are you? LMAO....yes, I'm really laughing this hard!
Do not feed the troll.
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agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Uh, no. They're not above the law. If anything, detectives/investigators follow the law closer than most cops because they know that if they fucked up one thing then the judge can throw out the case.
ROFLMAO!!! You've been watching too many cop shows..lol...how old are you? LMAO....yes, I'm really laughing this hard!
No shit right! Those were the "good ol days" These are post 911 times were in now.....and yes they can pretty much do whatever they want and "fix things" how they want. And do you really think judges give a shit? We put the police and feds and judges on this pedestal as if there all honest or something? some are! some are not. But the rules have changed. Now there trying to push drones for LE and they will. Because no one will stand up and resist..........Occupy! that's all we have! take to the streets if you want change. Or just sit back and let them have there way with us....peace!
do you really think judges give a shit?
Yes, I do. I trust those who have made serious, concerted effort in their life career goals, devoting themselves to law and order. It's not easy to become a judge but those who do go through all the years of studying and testing must have an innate desire for justice.
Now there trying to push drones for LE and they will.
I don't know what this sentence means, I've read it several times but I can't imagine what you mean...
It means that congress is pushing a bill through that will allow drones ( you know what those are right) We use them to kill and spy on people in far off lands!. Now they want them to spy on us. Its not a conspiracy theory? Its just the country we live in now:( I personally think it sucks. But remember were the "bad guys" in there eyes. So anything goes! just attach terrorism to it and they will pass anything. So yes Drones are just another tool in there arsenal.......coming soon to a neighborhood near you.....If you live in amerika anyway
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Who is really who they claim to be when placing an order on the Road in the first place?
If LE attempted to actually snare buyers on SR, it could easily turn out to be a clusterfuck of monumental proportions.
I agree. I think they'd have trouble proving that you actually ordered the stuff unless they confiscated all your shit and you didn't have your data properly encrypted. Also, if LE posted drugs for sale on SR, wouldn't that be entrapment? I suppose they could pose as a seller on SR but only if they pretended not to be the ones selling the stuff when the case went to court. I find it unlikely that they'd receive funding for such an operation.
Their only option (that I can think of) is intercepting packages in the mail or at the border, then making you sign for the package (red flag), and waiting for you to open it. This is known tactic.
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Who is really who they claim to be when placing an order on the Road in the first place?
If LE attempted to actually snare buyers on SR, it could easily turn out to be a clusterfuck of monumental proportions.
I agree. I think they'd have trouble proving that you actually ordered the stuff unless they confiscated all your shit and you didn't have your data properly encrypted. Also, if LE posted drugs for sale on SR, wouldn't that be entrapment? I suppose they could pose as a seller on SR but only if they pretended not to be the ones selling the stuff when the case went to court. I find it unlikely that they'd receive funding for such an operation.
Their only option (that I can think of) is intercepting packages in the mail or at the border, then making you sign for the package (red flag), and waiting for you to open it. This is known tactic.
It iss only entrapment if they threaten you to buy it or they'd do sometihng really bad to you or someone else. It's not entrapment for them to offer it to you, trick you, or anything else.
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agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Uh, no. They're not above the law. If anything, detectives/investigators follow the law closer than most cops because they know that if they fucked up one thing then the judge can throw out the case.
ROFLMAO!!! You've been watching too many cop shows..lol...how old are you? LMAO....yes, I'm really laughing this hard!
No shit right! Those were the "good ol days" These are post 911 times were in now.....and yes they can pretty much do whatever they want and "fix things" how they want. And do you really think judges give a shit? We put the police and feds and judges on this pedestal as if there all honest or something? some are! some are not. But the rules have changed. Now there trying to push drones for LE and they will. Because no one will stand up and resist..........Occupy! that's all we have! take to the streets if you want change. Or just sit back and let them have there way with us....peace!
LE have had drones for ages
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IMO, if they intercepted 20g of MDMA from the Netherlands, found supporting evidence in the form of wire transfers, and STILL couldn't make the felony "drugs in the mail" charges stick, then I'm feeling pretty good right now. Of course, there is much speculation involved here, but I wanted to provide an alternate take on things.
You'd be surprised how hard it is to get charges to stick . Watch "the first 48" , it's a cop show about the first 48 hours after a murder. It refers to the fact that if there is no solid lead (suspect, evidence, and witnesses) within 48 hours after a murder, the chances of ever solving the crime fall to near zero.
Number one, I don't order from the Netherlands. Jesus fucking christ people, seriously. Are you that hard up you can't deal with somebody in the US or Canada?
Agreed, 100%
If all the risky behavior that happens on here, it all pales in comparison to ordering from NL. If I were to look at "What behaviors provide the maximum increase in my chance of getting busted"
Absolutely, you are spot on. I'm glad to see at least someone on here still has some common sense -- sometimes I feel like it's mass insanity of people engaging in willfull
self-delusion in order to sleep at night.
I think ordering from the NL is even more dangerous than say, not encrypting your address when you purchase.
Agreed.
Number two, I'll never be ordering 20 grams of any powder ever, that's clearly far beyond personal use, and there is a huge stigma attached to hard drugs that increases the desire to prosecute.
Yeah... I'm wary of even ordering hard drugs at all. Even at small amounts under 1g, because of that stigma and desire to prosecute. Contrary to what people on here think, personal amounts of drugs in the U.S. are still crimes with potential prison sentences. They are not just going to let seized hard drugs slide, there will likely be some sort of investigation.
Uh, no. [Detectives / Cops ] are not above the law. If anything, detectives/investigators follow the law closer than most cops because they know that if they fucked up one thing then the judge can throw out the case.
That's true in theory, but certainly not in practice .
How many bankers, executives, and so forth have been prosecuted for causing and exploiting the financial crisis over the past several years? Zero.
How many political dissidents in the U.S. have been aggressively prosecuted for some mundane crime , conducted as a pretext to silence them because of their political affiliations? Many many thousands.
That's corruption in action. Some people are protected by nature of their position. Others will get screwed for speaking up.
Anyone that's dealt with the U.S. court system knows its incredibly corrupt. It's better than a 3rd world country, but it's still corrupt as all hell. The police, the judges, and prosecutors (often even defense attorneys) are all routinely friends, and know each other . You can often overhear their familiar chit-chat in the minutes before a trial, talking about watching the football game together etc.
Judges aren't buddy-buddy with cops, many judges feel it's their personal responsibility to balance out the agents/cops/detectives and call them on their bullshit.
Obviously you've never been arrested, charged, or gone to court . That's exactly how it is . Judge often are friends or acquaintances with police.
Sometimes you will get a non-corrupt judge who takes his responsibility seriously, and tries to take the side of the public rather than the State. But even if you get a good non-corrupt judge, if the case is important enough, the powerful 'forces of coincidence' aka the local authorities will ensure the case gets reassigned to one of their corrupt buddies.
Example: At Occupy New York, the night they were evicted in the middle of darkness , outside the view of the media, the protestors got an emergency injunction at 7am saying that the cops were wrong for evicting them (1st amendment grounds), and that they could return to the park. The judge wrote a ruling saying that she had to side with free speech, and that the protesters should be allowed to return to the park immediately , pending further litigation. This was a binding emergency injunction, carrying the force of law and the State -- supposedly.
The protestors brought copies of the injunction / court ruling to the police chief, to mayor Bloomberg, and even brought printouts street cops. The cops ignored printouts of the injunction that protestors were waving, Mayor Bloomberg ignored the court injuction, and even ordered the NYC police chief to ignore the (legally binding) court injunction until Bloomberg got the case heard by one of his preferred judges.
Later that day, at around 2pm, the protestors case was reassigned to a judge affiliated with the mayors office ( the judge was a buddy of Bloomberg's, just a coincidence), and this new corrupt judge (reassigned to the case) , reversed the earlier preliminary injunction from earlier that morning issued by the non-corrupt judge. Thus the protesters would not allowed back into Zucotti park.
But the rules have changed. Now there trying to push drones for LE and they will.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner.
Occupy! that's all we have! take to the streets if you want change.
Well , don't even get me started on that . Occupy can't change anything now -- it's moment and opportunity has passed now. Occupy was deliberately created , then destroyed via the 'consensus' decision making process, rather than a majority vote (the method of all real previous and successful democratic movements). Occupy spent weeks arguing about whether to make their own sleeping bags, or whether to buy sleeping bags (because all decisions had to be 'consensus' lol), instead of having a simple up/down majority votes, and building a political platform that Americans could rally behind (ie. (1) A national one year freeze on foreclosures, (2) A 1% transaction tax on Wall St paid out to all citizens as a monthly national dividend, (3) A special prosecutor with staff for the Wall St fraud to do indictments, (4) Declaration of all student loan debt to be null and void, etc). But none of those things happened and it's too late now.
do you really think judges give a shit?
Yes, I do. I trust those who have made serious, concerted effort in their life career goals, devoting themselves to law and order. It's not easy to become a judge but those who do go through all the years of studying and testing must have an innate desire for justice.
Oh please man. There are some non-corrupt judges, but as I mentioned in my example, the good apples will be reassigned off the important cases (like in Occupy New York). I could give you pages and pages of examples of judicial corruption that would make your head spin. All you have to do is go look up examples.
Unless you are so attached to your worldview that you don't want to contradict yourself with new information. That's easier, of course, but it's not the truth.
The corrupt officials are promoted , as always.
Who the fuck would be DUMB enough to use their real address on SR? It says right their in the buyers' guide DON'T USE YOUR HOME ADDRESS, Their are several methods to receiving mail without giving out your address but the easiest way to do it is to find a home where you are familiar with the occupants schedule, say they're at work everyday from 9-5pm, if the mail comes at 3pm, check their mailbox (ones that don't lock obviously.) everyday at 4pm when you're waiting for a package.
I find it hard to believe you actually do this. This is the sort of thing that a teenager or college student might imagine in his head, but such a process would never succeed in practice for a working adult. Do you not work full-time? This suggestion is pretty difficult for someone who holds down a job (leaving at 3:00 every day to go pick up mail at a drop). What about Saturday's? Do you check their mail every Saturday afternoon as well? I mean , c'mon man, there is no way you've actually used this method, it's so nutty.
Plus , even if you are not making this up (which I think you are, as there is no way you've used this unless you did it to the neighbors at your parents house, checking their mail when you got home from school), even if you actually did this in real life -- You are putting yourself at serious risk doing this as a working adult, leaving work to go to someone's house where you don't live, showing up as a strange car everyday, in a neighborhood where you don't live. At some point the neighbor is bound to notice and mention something to the people at the house about the guy in the grey Subaru who comes by every day at 3:00PM to check your mailbox. Oh, you don't know about him? Stealing someone else's mail (I think even opening someone's mailbox) is a Federal crime, and this sounds like a great way to get busted.
I think the suggestion you put forward is actually much riskier than simply ordering to your house.
LE have had drones for ages
It was only recently that the FAA formally authorized it , in conjunction with a long-term plan for drones across the skies of the USA.
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Back to the topic at hand -- the bust claimed by the OP -- it sounds like it's highly likely to me that this bust actually happened... Probably for one or two packages of MDMA crossing the border from the Netherlands, in the amounts of 20g each time.
The sender assumed they were lost or never sent, when they were actually seized by U.S. customs. They conducted an investigation which involved looking into the recipient, and figured out that he had wired money into a btc exchange, so between this and the package, they got a search warrant.
They had to drop the mail charges due to insufficient evidence, but the buyer still got popped on whatever was laying around his house , which potentially could be significant charges (think about how many charges you could get for your own personal stash right now). It'd be sigificant. Which is why the OP has gone silent, he's probably hiring a lawyer etc.
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Back to the topic at hand -- the bust claimed by the OP -- it sounds like it's highly likely to me that this bust actually happened... Probably for one or two packages of MDMA crossing the border from the Netherlands, in the amounts of 20g each time.
The sender assumed they were lost or never sent, when they were actually seized by U.S. customs. They conducted an investigation which involved looking into the recipient, and figured out that he had wired money into a btc exchange, so between this and the package, they got a search warrant.
They had to drop the mail charges due to insufficient evidence, but the buyer still got popped on whatever was laying around his house , which potentially could be significant charges (think about how many charges you could get for your own personal stash right now). It'd be sigificant. Which is why the OP has gone silent, he's probably hiring a lawyer etc.
This is the most likely scenario in my mind.
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The judges around here, and most I ever read about in law school, see themselves as part of the same side of the coin as the prosecution. They view their job to make sure that the prosecution did everything "substantially" correct.
Judges and prosecutors pretty much have absolute immunity for anything they do on the bench. I was reading an article where some state had to retry several death penalty cases because the judge was snorting loratabs througout the entire trial, even nodding out on the bench.
He was also the head of the drug court there. NUTS!!!
He was forced to retire early, and he lost his lisense, the fucker should be in jail
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The judges around here, and most I ever read about in law school, see themselves as part of the same side of the coin as the prosecution. They view their job to make sure that the prosecution did everything "substantially" correct.
Judges and prosecutors pretty much have absolute immunity for anything they do on the bench. I was reading an article where some state had to retry several death penalty cases because the judge was snorting loratabs througout the entire trial, even nodding out on the bench.
He was also the head of the drug court there. NUTS!!!
He was forced to retire early, and he lost his license, the fucker should be in jail
This is the shit I'm talking about! And were the "bad guys"? WTF? America's the biggest purveyor of violence in the world. Have you seen the rulings coming down from the Supreme Court! The Patriot Act changed everything...the cards are off the table.......The New York City Police Dept is under investigation by the Justice Dept. LA cops OMG!.......Seattle Times just had a big artificial on bad cops. Robert Bales!!!!! WTF were the Bad Guys? ! I call bullshit on that! Just a couple of days ago the SC said strip searches are legal now for minor crimes! No shit! I'm not making this up? check out the PA. Its a whole new ball game....Wake up and smell the cordite, the mace. plastic cuffs eye scans. Just for practicing the 1st amendment. Our jobs program is the Prison Industrial Complex.........build prisons where there used to be factorys now overseas and fill them with what........you guessed it! "The Bad Guys"
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This is a good thread, and I for one believe the OP, you know, as there's no upside here to bullshitting, and agree that he's probably fighting it. But once again, I see lots of passion, and well thought out arguments, but very little evidence, and we can't even give out much personal experience without exposing our identity. When people are new on here, they badly want info on how to protect themselves, but there is so little consistency that we all have to find our own way.
Using someone else's address as a drop point, seems very appealing, at first, but then you realize just how little control over it you have. I operate on the theory that I *could* get popped, so the less deceit I put on top of orders, the better. Once I start using fake names and fake addresses, and get nailed, I've got no defense at all...on the other hand, something coming to me, that I open, hell, I don't know who sent it, or why, so I doubt I"d get in any trouble that I couldn't beat in court.
We just don't know: this whole setup--SR, btc, tor--is so damned new, that if would almost take new legislation to be able to legally bring it down, and since it has no country of origin...
I believe the few credible busts that have happened on here, are just law of averages finally catching up with us: they do sporadically check mail, and if luck runs out, well, just keep your mouth shut, get a lawyer, and fight the bitch...
Problem in US, and why many here are ordering from netherlands and thailand and such, is there are less and less good H sellers here, and price/quality is often too tempting to pass up...
So no matter how loud some of us shout, and how rude our one or two trolls get, there just isn't much proof or insite on which way to go, and until a big bust comes down, it'll just be speculation...
My advice?: use common sense, find your own path. This place isn't for the paranoid, and I'd ignore them: e.g.: "LE is everywhere!!! All the major vendors, everybody is cops!!!!...and if you don't believe me, you're a dickhead!!!" (Yawn...Another fifteen year old who needs to masturbate more often...)
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Although using someone's house that is not yours as a mail drop point is fairly implausible, is it safe to say that having a storage area for your drugs away from your actual residence is a good policy?
Would the OP have avoided charges altogether by maintaining his supply in a relatively clandestine, safe location?
Is that as preposterous as the idea of intercepting mail at a different residence?
I for one think it could be a could policy when it comes to mitigating the risk of prosecution.
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This is a good thread, and I for one believe the OP, you know, as there's no upside here to bullshitting, and agree that he's probably fighting it. But once again, I see lots of passion, and well thought out arguments, but very little evidence, and we can't even give out much personal experience without exposing our identity. When people are new on here, they badly want info on how to protect themselves, but there is so little consistency that we all have to find our own way.
Using someone else's address as a drop point, seems very appealing, at first, but then you realize just how little control over it you have. I operate on the theory that I *could* get popped, so the less deceit I put on top of orders, the better. Once I start using fake names and fake addresses, and get nailed, I've got no defense at all...on the other hand, something coming to me, that I open, hell, I don't know who sent it, or why, so I doubt I"d get in any trouble that I couldn't beat in court.
We just don't know: this whole setup--SR, btc, tor--is so damned new, that if would almost take new legislation to be able to legally bring it down, and since it has no country of origin...
I believe the few credible busts that have happened on here, are just law of averages finally catching up with us: they do sporadically check mail, and if luck runs out, well, just keep your mouth shut, get a lawyer, and fight the bitch...
Problem in US, and why many here are ordering from netherlands and thailand and such, is there are less and less good H sellers here, and price/quality is often too tempting to pass up...
So no matter how loud some of us shout, and how rude our one or two trolls get, there just isn't much proof or insite on which way to go, and until a big bust comes down, it'll just be speculation...
My advice?: use common sense, find your own path. This place isn't for the paranoid, and I'd ignore them: e.g.: "LE is everywhere!!! All the major vendors, everybody is cops!!!!...and if you don't believe me, you're a dickhead!!!" (Yawn...Another fifteen year old who needs to masturbate more often...)
+1. As I'm fond of saying, we each stand alone when we open the mailbox. Minimize your risk, find your own, way, and operate within your own comfort zone.
Growling at people who don't agree with your method seems like a pissing contest with no prize for the winner.
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Coming down on the details of someones account on the forums is only the slightly nervous strengthening their backbones. If the details are correct, it is fine to assume the OP took unnecessary risks, and I will be glad if he comes through it allright. If it is grey ops from LEO, deal with it folks, it demonstrates their inefficacy in dealing with this place.
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You really can avoid some pitfalls for sure. Buy domestic. Trusted Sellers? Never sign. And if something doesn't show up take precautions. Its so true .....we each stand alone when we open the mailbox
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Although using someone's house that is not yours as a mail drop point is fairly implausible, is it safe to say that having a storage area for your drugs away from your actual residence is a good policy?
Would the OP have avoided charges altogether by maintaining his supply in a relatively clandestine, safe location?
Is that as preposterous as the idea of intercepting mail at a different residence?
I for one think it could be a could policy when it comes to mitigating the risk of prosecution.
Sure: great ideas. Again, as I've stated elsewhere, there's a bit of conflict between how we protect ourselves, our identities, from detection, and how we avoid legal trouble if the shit hits the fan. A lot of the stuff you've suggested, would definitely have protected the OP, or any of us...but once you get in trouble, and they start snooping around, any of this stuff they detect, will just make you look more guilty...and that's why, in the end, everybody has to make some compromises, depending on their outlook.
My basic attitude is that I don't know who the hell sends me shit: I was kind of wild for a long time, and maybe one of my exes or pals, decided to send me some goodies, fuck if I know...but if everything is in fake name, then they know I"m probably up to no good, and may put xtra juice into checking me out...
Basically: the harder I work at being non-detectable, the worse I look if they catch me...or something like that ;)
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Any idea on who you ordered from that caused this?
Can definitely not say anything for sure, but if I had to guess I would say it isn't related to the vendor but to the method of getting BTC. Wire transfers led to them flagging mail coming in to that address. If anything knowing the way BTC were acquired may help prevent this in the future. I'd also hope the vendor knows as that return address may be flagged now as well.
Until more comes out, all we can do is speculate...
that is good point, nothing more simple.
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This is a good thread, and I for one believe the OP, you know, as there's no upside here to bullshitting, and agree that he's probably fighting it. But once again, I see lots of passion, and well thought out arguments, but very little evidence, and we can't even give out much personal experience without exposing our identity. When people are new on here, they badly want info on how to protect themselves, but there is so little consistency that we all have to find our own way.
Using someone else's address as a drop point, seems very appealing, at first, but then you realize just how little control over it you have. I operate on the theory that I *could* get popped, so the less deceit I put on top of orders, the better. Once I start using fake names and fake addresses, and get nailed, I've got no defense at all...on the other hand, something coming to me, that I open, hell, I don't know who sent it, or why, so I doubt I"d get in any trouble that I couldn't beat in court.
We just don't know: this whole setup--SR, btc, tor--is so damned new, that if would almost take new legislation to be able to legally bring it down, and since it has no country of origin...
I believe the few credible busts that have happened on here, are just law of averages finally catching up with us: they do sporadically check mail, and if luck runs out, well, just keep your mouth shut, get a lawyer, and fight the bitch...
Problem in US, and why many here are ordering from netherlands and thailand and such, is there are less and less good H sellers here, and price/quality is often too tempting to pass up...
So no matter how loud some of us shout, and how rude our one or two trolls get, there just isn't much proof or insite on which way to go, and until a big bust comes down, it'll just be speculation...
My advice?: use common sense, find your own path. This place isn't for the paranoid, and I'd ignore them: e.g.: "LE is everywhere!!! All the major vendors, everybody is cops!!!!...and if you don't believe me, you're a dickhead!!!" (Yawn...Another fifteen year old who needs to masturbate more often...)
+1 That was just wall to wall logical common sense, if that makes any sense.
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common sense goes along way in this enviroment, but its also easy to get blinded by the light (so to speak) and get complacent.
keeping a clean house is logical, or at least clean as you can keep it.
sure some dont have the means to keep their stash at a different location, unless you'd keep it at a family or friends resident which IMO is shady.
no need to brings others into the mix...
and dont think just cause it isnt in your house but somewhere on your property that a warrent doesnt cover it.
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I'm a little more relaxed now (if you catch my meaning) a little wine and weed and other ::) But I really think its horrible where we have to fear our doors getting kicked in and pets shot and house trashed, for minor bullshit that doesn't compare to the corporate corruption that is going to limit our children and there children of a decent life in the police state called Amerika!......If you get a chance? check out Chris Hedges and the lawsuit him and other important people have against the patriot act. Its the most important piece of law to come out in the last 40 years+. Were talking Woman's rights issues in 2012? one step forward two steps back! I know its an uphill battle for Occupy but "springs in the air" And with global warming! should have a long summer stirring the shit up like it needs.....more power too them! I would like to see an Occupy Party. Then they can state what there all about. but seriously, Its all I got to hold on too. I don't look forward to getting arrested and getting a strip search for a minor arrest or even traffic stop.......perverts.......Nazi's, corporate control freaks! The Koke Brothers own our Congress which is at a 10% rating! wow! a whole 10% of people approve of there legislators and yet with cleaver redistricting they never get voted out. There's a fire sale going on in America. and the workers will be just an afterthought
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Most likely scenario this and that.
Also note that OP is into meth, as well. And has dealt with the now infamous VMM, who has mass orders not arriving, asking for addresses again, and so on and so forth.
OP posted in a frantic manner that puts the whole community on edge. Being a commoner to the forums, OP should have known to provide a bit more info, not have everyone seeking PM's. What's the difference? If someone is gonna see it, they gonna see it here, or in the PM.
MarsVolta should have said WHY they did,at the least.
How is everyone coming to the 20g of MDMA conclusion? I'm confused.
If a vendor has been popped, or outed, and is now possibly working with, or is LEA's, then I feel we should be in the know.
In fact, if anything happens to me, my brother, who has nothing to do with SR, and lives in another state, has all my account info, and will be here to tell the whole story, should anything ever happen to me via SR.
Not telling us about a possible bad vending situation is the same as being a fucking snitch in my book.
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Although using someone's house that is not yours as a mail drop point is fairly implausible, is it safe to say that having a storage area for your drugs away from your actual residence is a good policy?
Would the OP have avoided charges altogether by maintaining his supply in a relatively clandestine, safe location?
Is that as preposterous as the idea of intercepting mail at a different residence?
I for one think it could be a could policy when it comes to mitigating the risk of prosecution.
Sure: great ideas. Again, as I've stated elsewhere, there's a bit of conflict between how we protect ourselves, our identities, from detection, and how we avoid legal trouble if the shit hits the fan. A lot of the stuff you've suggested, would definitely have protected the OP, or any of us...but once you get in trouble, and they start snooping around, any of this stuff they detect, will just make you look more guilty...and that's why, in the end, everybody has to make some compromises, depending on their outlook.
My basic attitude is that I don't know who the hell sends me shit: I was kind of wild for a long time, and maybe one of my exes or pals, decided to send me some goodies, fuck if I know...but if everything is in fake name, then they know I"m probably up to no good, and may put xtra juice into checking me out...
Basically: the harder I work at being non-detectable, the worse I look if they catch me...or something like that ;)
I see what you're sayin'. Avoiding any other behavior that implicitly suggests the intent to conceal the fact that I order and consume drugs goes a long way in providing a defense if the dreaded day comes.
This thread got me fucking nervous, I won't lie. Not scared, but definitely feeling a little less uh... impune. Being vigilant about your anonymity on this site is still crucial.
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I'm thinking that the "wire transfers" were just made up bullshit by the police. They could have just busted in with some random pieces of paper and stated waving them around. Like say if it was the 20g or whatever from the Netherlands, they could have intercepted it and since it was a huge amount, they made up the wire transfers as a way to make the OP crack when really they had no idea how he paid for it. Just a thought but I'm thinking as long as packages keep showing up with the contents inside, it should be ok, sort of? Oh yea, and don't order from the Netherlands if you in the USA...especially 20 grams of fucking MDMA.
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Where's marsvolta?
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Laying low I would imagine?
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Whether it went down the way op said or not,
one possibility LE may be working is posing as sellers and distro'ing to gain points and eventually showing up at addy's they receive. Some have said they can't do this or that because of laws but c'mon, agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Could easily happen.
And yea, posting something like that seriously should have something further in detail. Unless it's bs....
I know I already quoted, responded to this post but I have more to say...
showing up at addy's they receive.
Who the fuck would be DUMB enough to use their real address on SR? It says right their in the buyers' guide DON'T USE YOUR HOME ADDRESS, Their are several methods to receiving mail without giving out your address but the easiest way to do it is to find a home where you are familiar with the occupants schedule, say they're at work everyday from 9-5pm, if the mail comes at 3pm, check their mailbox (ones that don't lock obviously.) everyday at 4pm when you're waiting for a package.
And yea, posting something like that seriously should have something further in detail. Unless it's bs....
Someone as paranoid as you, thinking cops can do whatever they want just for the hell of it...is suspicious that this guy didn't tell us everything out of concern for being arrested?
Yeah, because opening up someone else's mailbox, having 100% faith you've stalked their schedule well-enough, in broad daylight, is super smart. Think before you call other people dumbasses. Dumbass.
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Where's marsvolta?
Probably sitting back laughing at how his bullshit story turned into a 6 page thread.
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Where's marsvolta?
Probably sitting back laughing at how his bullshit story turned into a 6 page thread.
Nah, I looked back at some of his old posts. He's a pretty sincere guy. I believe he got busted.
From his posts it seems like he was making lots of purchases, seemingly smaller ones, but it's hard to say for sure. He's not a big baller, since he at times was asking to borrow a couple BTC until next paycheck. He was buying lots of MDMA and XTC pills from NL and UK and at least one of his pill orders from a dutch vendor (candyshop, IIRC) did not make it, for which he got a reship. By his own admission, of all of his orders on SR, he had a 95% success rate in receiving. So that means he had several orders seized and yet he ignored it and kept ordering. And, perhaps the most careless thing he did is having drugs in his home while awaiting an order. IMO, I think he just got a little too comfortable with it, which is something that could happen to any of us if we're not careful.
The thing I'm wondering, though, is how the cops were able to tie his wire transfers to the seized drugs. I'm thinking the cops probably needed to tie the wire transfers to the drug seizure(s) in order to get a warrant.
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I see what you're sayin'. Avoiding any other behavior that implicitly suggests the intent to conceal the fact that I order and consume drugs goes a long way in providing a defense if the dreaded day comes.
This thread got me fucking nervous, I won't lie. Not scared, but definitely feeling a little less uh... impune. Being vigilant about your anonymity on this site is still crucial.
Exactly. You're not alone: we all struggle with this, you know, how much to hide, what is important, am I being paranoid? Does this make me look guilty? All that.
And also, u know, most of us want to make friends, share our experiences, feel like we're all in this together, but at the same time, know we have to hide our identities in case LE is snooping...tough sometimes, and no matter what I do, it seems wrong...plus I get sloppy, complacent...
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Where's marsvolta?
Probably sitting back laughing at how his bullshit story turned into a 6 page thread.
Nah, I looked back at some of his old posts. He's a pretty sincere guy. I believe he got busted.
From his posts it seems like he was making lots of purchases, seemingly smaller ones, but it's hard to say for sure. He's not a big baller, since he at times was asking to borrow a couple BTC until next paycheck. He was buying lots of MDMA and XTC pills from NL and UK and at least one of his pill orders from a dutch vendor (candyshop, IIRC) did not make it, for which he got a reship. By his own admission, of all of his orders on SR, he had a 95% success rate in receiving. So that means he had several orders seized and yet he ignored it and kept ordering. And, perhaps the most careless thing he did is having drugs in his home while awaiting an order. IMO, I think he just got a little too comfortable with it, which is something that could happen to any of us if we're not careful.
The thing I'm wondering, though, is how the cops were able to tie his wire transfers to the seized drugs. I'm thinking the cops probably needed to tie the wire transfers to the drug seizure(s) in order to get a warrant.
I'll ask again: Who the fuck knows for sure what he did, or how his "wire transfers" were tied to the Road? Lots of speculation, no facts, and no follow up details from OP... Just like every other tale of "busted" around here. What the hell do wire transfers have to do with SR anyway? Nothing.
And, quite frankly, unless his "bust" was a direct result of something he did involving Silk Road, there isn't anything to be gained by him posting it here.
I don't mean to sound unsympathetic... But reading his initial post again simply reinforces my belief that, done properly, ordering from SR is pretty damned safe, considering those "charges" were dropped. Or more realistically, that he was merely questioned and never actually charged. "Wire transfers" ? Sounds like a completely separate fuck up to me.
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i wish there were safer way to buy BTC:(
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i wish there were safer way to buy BTC:(
I heard this is launching by the end of this month.
http://quickco.in/
Cash to bitcoins with no exchange account needed.
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I truly get more stressed out dealing with BTC than receiving. Will not do Dwolla>MT.Gox>wallet>SR. It just seems like your asking to be flagged.....no thanks. Oh and both keep your records for 5years and one is more than willing to work with LE MT.Gox.....fly safe
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i wish there were safer way to buy BTC:(
To me, bitcoins are the easiest part. Just don't leave a trail. Make sure your name is in no way tied to any monetary exchanges.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2011/05/31/alleged-hells-angels-drug-charges-thrown-out-of-court.html
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I know you can't just click on a link here, but basically it say that 31 members and associates of the Hells Angels who had been arrested on drug charges in a massive dragnet 3 years ago have had their cases thrown out of court because of unreasonable delays before trial. This was a police investigation that had taken 17 years to complete. Hells Angels are very powerful in Canada. There were 156 accused, some of murder, drug trafficking, conspiracy etc. The cops used wiretaps and video surveillance. Twenty two hundred witnesses have been called. Truthfully this makes me feel very small and unworthy as far as having a few thing posted to my mailbox. I can't call myself better or worse than the people arrested. I don't know them, but it seems many on here seem to think that the same amount of resources are going to be used against each and every one of us. There are always going to be a few street busts with pics of drugs and guns to appease the press, but I think most of us are small potatoes compared to what is really going on in the world of drugs. Try to keep your house and comp clean and probably most of us will be fine.
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Hey who gave me bad karma :P
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I dont want to go into detail.
ordered...
Federal agents busted in.
They waved wire transfers in my face
Asked if i ordered anything from the internet.
Arrested me on another drug they found
Brought me down to federal custody
Dropped the mail chargers because they didnt have enough evidence
oh, cool, they let you access SR Forums from behind bars. and let you keep your computer too!
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You guys realize there is something called posting bail? Often times for simple possession (he said the federal felony charge didn't stick), they book you and release you with a court date.
Is it so hard to imagine that he may have used another computer to post this?
Given the posters history, I'm quite confident they are not bullshitting. There is simply no motivation for them to do so.
If you've seen my debates with kmfkewm, you know that I'm the first one to point out that ordering here is a lot safer than some of the paranoid types make it out to be. But I'm totally convinced of the legitimacy of this bust (and also convinced the OP took a lot of stupid risks that I actively discourage, as I outlined in an earlier post in this thread).
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You guys realize there is something called posting bail? Often times for simple possession (he said the federal felony charge didn't stick), they book you and release you with a court date.
Is it so hard to imagine that he may have used another computer to post this?
Given the posters history, I'm quite confident they are not bullshitting. There is simply no motivation for them to do so.
If you've seen my debates with kmfkewm, you know that I'm the first one to point out that ordering here is a lot safer than some of the paranoid types make it out to be. But I'm totally convinced of the legitimacy of this bust (and also convinced the OP took a lot of stupid risks that I actively discourage, as I outlined in an earlier post in this thread).
I'm not doubting his cred... Only that his bust was a direct result of something he did here. A couple sentence fragments without any follow up isn't enough to satisfy my inner skeptic.
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dear marsvolta,
are you ok?
please PM me.
thanks.
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I dont want to go into detail.
ordered...
Federal agents busted in.
They waved wire transfers in my face
Asked if i ordered anything from the internet.
Arrested me on another drug they found
Brought me down to federal custody
Dropped the mail chargers because they didnt have enough evidence
oh, cool, they let you access SR Forums from behind bars. and let you keep your computer too!
With state and federal drug possession/ distribution charges pending, and they don't seize his PC? I am not buying it besides, WTF would anyone use their real name for on wire transfers? Rookie...
This BS thread had one good effect. I keep even less product in the house. I mean truly personal use levels. At anyone time, I will only have a few grams of some fine AK47, some V's and X's. Everything is encrypted and backed up offsite. When not in use, my USB stick also leaves the house. I constructed underground, waterproof safes on my property for storage. Good luck find them on 27 acres.
Another note: usually when a home warrant is issued, they will include vehicles but often not outbuildings!
they have these new high tech things now called metal detectors
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buying coin is LEGAL
selling coin is LEGAL
just use a few separate wallets before you post to SR wallet
if they're gonna start busting everyone that buys or sells bitcoins then we're all fucked
but last time i checked, obtaining/ spending/ selling BTC was LEGAL
sheeesh, just keep everything on a yubikey and a microsd
and if youre super paranoid never keep more than 25 hits of l
and a cut of greens
if leo ever shows up you can eat the yubikey/microsd/25 hits/ 3.5g weed
just make sure you chew a few times ;D
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Hi,
that is the reason as vendor i filter and change my operation methods with every shipment because i know LEO is watching all the time and collecting data about SR Customers and Vendors.
Shipment Method:
I use for every new shipment a new business letter for safety and security reasons.
I use difference business letters for new customers and regular customers.
Sometime I wait on purpose 1-2 days with sending the package because of the safety reasons.
I try to send the letters from difference cities also to keep my shipment operation secret, safe and discreet.
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I think one of the biggest issues here is that people do not understand their rights.
Case and point, police officers can not and usually do not do "whatever they want". If they do not have a warrant they cannot come in your house and if they do, unless you have an online rent-a-lawyer, they will get all of the evidence and the charges tossed.
Also people here have a terrible understanding of what entrapment is. An example of entrapment that would never ever hold up in court would be an LE officer posing as a vendor and selling drugs, which is why they absolutely aren't doing it.
Know your rights, if you know them you will most likely be completely safe on SR using basic precautions like PGP.
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Hi,
i have a good lawyer for you ;D if you wanna know your rights.
http://www.bettercallsaul.com/
greets DS,
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLbMvrzVBiE&feature=related
hi, just to clear things up, police all over the world do what they want.
Some of the only shots fired in Sydney this year that have hit their target (14 year old kid).
I can imagine they'd go even further to stop a drug dealer, seeing as what they did to a child in the drivers seat of a stationary car.
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Federal agents busted in.
waved wire transfers in my face
Asked if i ordered anything from the internet.
Arrested me on another drug they found
One thing is for certain.... There are eyes somewhere searching for something.
Like where ever you are at and the technique that you used is suspect.
also if they were (asking) this could also mean that they are not sure if you did order something or not.
Its not illegal to order something from the internet although what you are ordering and who you are ordering from may be.
basically you should fall back and find a new approach.....
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Not telling us about a possible bad vending situation is the same as being a fucking snitch in my book.
C;mon that's a little harsh no? Some people have a big order not show. They think they've been ripped off and feel stupid (even if they did their best to check out the vendor). Some people don't have a light go off in their head that LE intercepted the package. Instead they feel ripped off and are ashamed to come to the boards and admit it.
Thats why its important that people don't take a brash attitude with OPs who post that they lost a package...
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I dont want to go into detail.
ordered...
Federal agents busted in.
They waved wire transfers in my face
Asked if i ordered anything from the internet.
Arrested me on another drug they found
Brought me down to federal custody
Dropped the mail chargers because they didnt have enough evidence
oh, cool, they let you access SR Forums from behind bars. and let you keep your computer too!
With state and federal drug possession/ distribution charges pending, and they don't seize his PC? I am not buying it besides, WTF would anyone use their real name for on wire transfers? Rookie...
You don't think he could use a friends computer? Maybe he had a laptop in his car. also OP SAID they dropped the mail shit and hit him with possession.
Another poster wondered why he wasn't behind bars. Seriously? You think they got jail space for all these low level crimes. I have a cop friend from NYC. He told me that he arrested a burgler, INSIDE an apartment that had been broken into, with stolen jewelry in his pocket and a statement from a neighbor who SAW the guy break in. He arrested him and listed charges like B&E, Larceny, Burglary. Guess what, DA DROPPED the charges. Why? Too many cases. (B&E is quite common in this neighborhood).
But the point is they will let people like that out. In most places some one charged with just possession (even felony) can get out on bail, and maybe even just recog.
There are some serious denier. Sure, some 300 + poster suddenly comes up with some BS to spook every one.
Also dude, don't mention how many acres you own...we don't how serious LE is about targeting SR. Prolly not a big deal but why add info that helps them confirm something?
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Hi,
i have a good lawyer for you ;D if you wanna know your rights.
http://www.bettercallsaul.com/
greets DS,
Saul Goodman is exactly the kind of lawyer I'd want if the shit ever hit the fan.
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buying coin is LEGAL
selling coin is LEGAL
Yes it is...
just use a few separate wallets before you post to SR wallet
good advice
sheeesh, just keep everything on a yubikey and a microsd
and if youre super paranoid never keep more than 25 hits of l
and a cut of greens
i like barry cooper's Never Get Busted (buy it, or pirate it) he suggests never having more than you can quickly eat on you. Among other great pieces of advice. Like sprinkling shake all over the house. It will make the dogs alert all over the place, maying it a lot harder to find the stash.
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Whats even better than shake is cayenne pepper. A good wiff of that at the front door might just throw them off too. Learned that from the movie "cool hand luke" great movie too!
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buying coin is LEGAL
selling coin is LEGAL
just use a few separate wallets before you post to SR wallet
if they're gonna start busting everyone that buys or sells bitcoins then we're all fucked
but last time i checked, obtaining/ spending/ selling BTC was LEGAL
Thats why the scenario probably follows like this:
Ordered big amount. Had order intercepted due to bad postage. They obtained warrant to pull bank records associated with persons name and or addresses. Saw some wires to MT Gox.
Raided place. Tried to get suspect to confess/incriminate by showing the wires. Suspect was smart enough not to say the wrong thing.
Walked away with just a possession case. Thougts?
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Whats even better than shake is cayenne pepper. A good wiff of that at the front door might just throw them off too. Learned that from the movie "cool hand luke" great movie too!
Yeah i think the difference between the two poster's advice is that the former mentioned a movie made by a former cop/dea trained enforcer (barry cooper) and you are quoting some hollywood shit. I'd stick to the shake all over method. Its a great way to harden your safehouse.
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I had no idea! cool that! not so cool hand Luke then!
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i like barry cooper's Never Get Busted (buy it, or pirate it) he suggests never having more than you can quickly eat on you. Among other great pieces of advice. Like sprinkling shake all over the house. It will make the dogs alert all over the place, maying it a lot harder to find the stash.
I had a similar thought: If you're gonna make your whole house smell like weed anyway, why not store some or all of your stash in or near the intake vent for your central air?
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i like barry cooper's Never Get Busted (buy it, or pirate it) he suggests never having more than you can quickly eat on you. Among other great pieces of advice. Like sprinkling shake all over the house. It will make the dogs alert all over the place, maying it a lot harder to find the stash.
I had a similar thought: If you're gonna make your whole house smell like weed anyway, why not store some or all of your stash in or near the intake vent for your central air?
I hope that was a subtle joke. :S
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they have these new high tech things now called metal detectors
They have these things called plastic and polymers. Last time I checked, money, pot, pills, and the like are not detectable by any "high tech things now called metal detectors". I imagine they could use sonic technology but I am so small the agent would be the laugh of the fucking team.
Besides, if they got a warrant to dig around your property without specific locations, that would be one of the MOST DIFFICULT warrants to obtain on the planet.
so your entire safe is made of plastic/polymer? locking mechanism, tumblers and all? that's one impressive safe. or are you just using something like a tupperware container? idunno much about warrants but if you're a supplier they will probably come after you more aggressively than a buyer. and if they find a metal safe buried on your property, might not be good for your case. like i said i dont know about warrants but someone mentioned a search warrant will include property you own, not just your house.
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This story is from about a week ago, and I have to imagine there is a thread somewhere in the forums about it, but I couldn't find one and didn't feel like searching that hard
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/international-online-drug-market-busted-arrests_n_1429544.html
15 people rounded up for selling on SR, after the Feds had been investigating for 2 years according to the story. Anyone know anything further about this, or who the sellers were (aside from their real names as listed in the story)
*Edit*
Just realized the story was about the bust from the end of last year. Not sure why the story was just recently published by that newspaper....
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Just wanted to let everyone know that marsvolta is potentially been turned into an informant, or else his account has been seized by federal agents. Check out this thread: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=20105.0
After several weeks of absence, he suddenly shows up asking for a bitcoin loan. Something very fishy is going on here!
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:o
The fucked up smiley says it all.
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This story is from about a week ago, and I have to imagine there is a thread somewhere in the forums about it, but I couldn't find one and didn't feel like searching that hard
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/international-online-drug-market-busted-arrests_n_1429544.html
15 people rounded up for selling on SR, after the Feds had been investigating for 2 years according to the story. Anyone know anything further about this, or who the sellers were (aside from their real names as listed in the story)
You're mistaken, that was FM, not SR, and there was lots of threads on the subject. Also! Welcome to SR!
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This story is from about a week ago, and I have to imagine there is a thread somewhere in the forums about it, but I couldn't find one and didn't feel like searching that hard
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/international-online-drug-market-busted-arrests_n_1429544.html
15 people rounded up for selling on SR, after the Feds had been investigating for 2 years according to the story. Anyone know anything further about this, or who the sellers were (aside from their real names as listed in the story)
You're mistaken, that was FM, not SR, and there was lots of threads on the subject. Also! Welcome to SR!
hey is that you in your avatar? isn't that a big security risk?
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Whats even better than shake is cayenne pepper. A good wiff of that at the front door might just throw them off too. Learned that from the movie "cool hand luke" great movie too!
Yeah i think the difference between the two poster's advice is that the former mentioned a movie made by a former cop/dea trained enforcer (barry cooper) and you are quoting some hollywood shit. I'd stick to the shake all over method. Its a great way to harden your safehouse.
In any case there just going to trash the place anyway! There fucking pricks.....remember! I still like the idea of cayenne pepper to throw them off no matters who's idea it is....one good sniff and there done. I get the Costco size:)
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Whats even better than shake is cayenne pepper. A good wiff of that at the front door might just throw them off too. Learned that from the movie "cool hand luke" great movie too!
Yeah i think the difference between the two poster's advice is that the former mentioned a movie made by a former cop/dea trained enforcer (barry cooper) and you are quoting some hollywood shit. I'd stick to the shake all over method. Its a great way to harden your safehouse.
In any case there just going to trash the place anyway! There fucking pricks.....remember! I still like the idea of cayenne pepper to throw them off no matters who's idea it is....one good sniff and there done. I get the Costco size:)
I've "heard" you can get charged with assaulting an officer with the pepper thing. Have no idea if this is the case or not.
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Whats even better than shake is cayenne pepper. A good wiff of that at the front door might just throw them off too. Learned that from the movie "cool hand luke" great movie too!
Yeah i think the difference between the two poster's advice is that the former mentioned a movie made by a former cop/dea trained enforcer (barry cooper) and you are quoting some hollywood shit. I'd stick to the shake all over method. Its a great way to harden your safehouse.
In any case there just going to trash the place anyway! There fucking pricks.....remember! I still like the idea of cayenne pepper to throw them off no matters who's idea it is....one good sniff and there done. I get the Costco size:)
I guess some people are too fucking stupid to know what advice they should follow. Professional advice, or Hollywood.
Let me warn every idiot who is thinking of peppering the safe house: you fuck those dogs up in any way and they are going to make life all that much harder on you, any way they can. How would you feel if some one did that to your dog? Why not use rat poison while youre at it so the dog fucking keels over and dies in the middle of their search? You gong to get fucked any how, might as well cost the department $100k while ur at it for a new dog.
I guess you can't fix stupid. The point the poster was making with sprinkling shake all over the safe house was to neutralize the dog's ability to locate the stash. You think they want to start opening walls and shit? No, a drug raid goes down like this:
Entry---> Secure Occupants/Premisses -->Bring Dog in--->use dog to find dope. If dope found toss rest of house and see what guns you can steal too.
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Dogs can smell through cover scents
Humans smell mixtures, dogs smell component parts of a scent. It is like hiding a purple painted wall in a room from a human by painting the other walls red.
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The use of ammonia or bleach will likely ruin a search dog's ability. Yes, they will be furious at you as they have thousands of dollars in their training. Using Fox lure or cat hair will completely distract dogs.
The use of dogs would be totally ineffective in my home or truck since I have cats.
It will distract dogs but you need to keep in mind the handler is there and every second he is telling the dog to find his 'toy' aka which they trained him with that smells like drugs. So the moment the dog gets distracted.... the handler will once again tell him to find the 'toy/drugs'. The dog will not get distracted again by the fur because he has already been distracted by it once. A dog is only as good as his handler. Distract the handler, then you're talkin.
Food for thought - Dogs are only able to be trained to smell 1 type of drug. I have a familer member who is a Kanine handler, and his dog is a Cocaine dog, it cannot find other drugs.
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Food for thought - Dogs are only able to be trained to smell 1 type of drug. I have a familer member who is a Kanine handler, and his dog is a Cocaine dog, it cannot find other drugs.
Not true at all they are trained for 12 different drug smells currently and coffee I believe. So your relative is very wrong. Ever get pulled and see them ask for a pot dog then a coke dog then a meth dog and so on no they smell them all.
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I see your back online mars....whatever happened with this situation??
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Who the fuck would be DUMB enough to use their real address on SR? It says right their in the buyers' guide DON'T USE YOUR HOME ADDRESS, Their are several methods to receiving mail without giving out your address but the easiest way to do it is to find a home where you are familiar with the occupants schedule, say they're at work everyday from 9-5pm, if the mail comes at 3pm, check their mailbox (ones that don't lock obviously.) everyday at 4pm when you're waiting for a package.
Yeah, and use someone who has a shed / garage in back. That way you can use it to store your stash off of your own premises, in case you are raided. True, you would have to know the times they would be in said shed, but you already know when they are at work, so it would just be a matter of surveillance to figure out their whole schedule. Hell, if you figured that out, you could practically live there, checking out the fridge, looking for scripts...eventually, you may want to have the deliveries sent to your own address, as the cops would never find you at your own home. Of course, you would have to know when your mail was delivered, and get there before you showed up to collect it.
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This whole situation scares me. I recently had a package returned to sender because my address/name didn't check out on the package. The return address was obviously fake so the package was sent to the USPS recovery center. The FAQ for that place says they scan/open packages... fucking terrified.
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This whole situation scares me. I recently had a package returned to sender because my address/name didn't check out on the package. The return address was obviously fake so the package was sent to the USPS recovery center. The FAQ for that place says they scan/open packages... fucking terrified.
There are dozens of threads which warn against fake addy's and names. Sounds like this is self-inflicted.
I used my real name and address. My post man decided to fuck me in the ass.
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So much bullshit in this thread. Dogs can smell through cover scents with no problem. Dogs don't give a fuck if your house smells like cats. Dogs can be trained to smell more than one type of drug.
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So much bullshit in this thread. Dogs can smell through cover scents with no problem. Dogs don't give a fuck if your house smells like cats. Dogs can be trained to smell more than one type of drug.
Yea your right hahahaha there is some fucked up horse shit in this thread
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So much bullshit in this thread. Dogs can smell through cover scents with no problem. Dogs don't give a fuck if your house smells like cats. Dogs can be trained to smell more than one type of drug.
Yea your right hahahaha there is some fucked up horse shit in this thread
Not to mention a lot of unnecessary name calling and insults.
To the topic at hand...yes, be careful, don't get complacent or take unnecessary risks but the paranoia is a bit overblown. Let's look at this rationally...the primary reason LE ever pursues buyers of small personal amounts is to potentially flip them and move up the chain. If you don't know your supplier, which SHOULD be the case on SR, there is virtually no incentive for LE to use resources to chase phantoms.
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agents do whatever they deem fit to fuck with people as they feel.
Uh, no. They're not above the law. If anything, detectives/investigators follow the law closer than most cops because they know that if they fucked up one thing then the judge can throw out the case.
They would simply allow a confidential informant to buy and sell and tip them off.
This guys sells this. He can supply this much. This is examples of how it is packaged. presto the let it go on for a while and then nail everything.
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hi marsvolta.
how's everything?
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Anybody hear any updates from this guy about his situation? I'd love to know some specifics and the outcome.
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Dogs are trained to pick up some of the masking scents, it even says this in the sellers guide
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hi marsvolta.
how's everything?
Yeah? Hi marsvolta how is everything going? You started this thread? Did i miss something? Have you explained your situation or are you just keeping quiet.
Which would be sad if that's the case?
Maybe i just missed it?
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It is weird he isn't replying to the thread he started. Also read thru his posts and you notice a change in grammar and tone from before this thread was started and now... or maybe I'm crazy. Who knows?
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It is weird he isn't replying to the thread he started. Also read thru his posts and you notice a change in grammar and tone from before this thread was started and now... or maybe I'm crazy. Who knows?
... Yeah i wouldn't sell to someone that's admitted to being busted! But I don't sale. One thing I do know is I touched a nerve with my "Hey Mr. Clean Your Dirty Now Too post.....its gone:)
Check the "Off Topic" forum...
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Thanks to everyone who is worried about our safety.
This is a shared account, that should explain the different grammar styles.
We are keeping quite about specifics. (who we bought from, and what it was) However one thing we have no problem saying is all chargers were dropped.
I've been dodging adding to this thread just because we aren't exactly sure how to respond. I'm sure most will understand.
I admitted to having trouble in the past, so unless some LEA has compromised me after the fact, it wouldn't be in there best interest.
I just wanted the community to know, maybe some will find the information of value, regardless of how vague it is.
I will be adding specifics when i'm more confident about what to say
Thank you
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No........Thank you!
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Yeah this was a goofy ass post. Just drop a grenade in the room and walk out??? Lame. No info at ALL. Were these DEA agents or Dept of Agriculture? Was this a search warrant or a knock and talk? There are so many unknowns it's not even worth worrying about. Jail (or prison) is just enforced boredom so imo if you like drugs enough to risk it it's not worth worrying about. Don't be stupid and you won't go. DO NOT TALK TO POLICE. Do your time like a man.
"Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison..." -Thoreau
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This is a shared account, that should explain the different grammar styles.
Reading through your posts prior to starting this thread does not suggest this to be the case what-so-ever.
I just wanted the community to know, maybe some will find the information of value, regardless of how vague it is.
Vague? No information has been provided from which anyone here could take anything.
If you are in the situation you have described with absolutely no substance at all then I really feel for you brother and I can appreciate any persons intentions of helping out members of his (online) community... BUT - this shit just seems weird.
If your intentions are pure you could at least give your community a CLUE as to what kind of mistake you must have made to have had this happen, as my understanding is that the point of the "Security" forum is to help others operate more securely.
....ohhh why do I continue to respond to pointless thread. Perhaps that's your thinking as well. ::)
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Mercury, perhaps he's just letting us all know the basics of the situation so we take a little more care in our business? I don't see any problems with him describing what has happened if only it inspires fear. Sometimes we all need to take a step back and make sure we're not being reckless.
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why would a single bust scare the shit out of anyone, people are busted for drugs all the time, someday someone who orders from SR will be arrested for it there is no doubting that
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we cannot state specific details in respect to my old partner. if LE is monitoring these forums, then they can link the crime to my old partner. therefore, i will not post any specifics about the bust. i can specify that it was only one of us, and my old partner is no longer involved in this account. i am in the process of getting a new partner, and this is the last i will post in regards to this topic. thank you all for your support
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Jesus Christ... you people are living in deep deep DENIAL. What the OP wrote is entirely plausible.... The post is consistent with someone who just got busted , is paranoid of giving out further information, and is trying to warn others.
Sorry, but this is bullshit. You cant just jump in here and do this, we need more info.
The more info he gives, the more likely LE will read the thread and connect it with his case. Think: if you got busted, would this not be of utmost concern if you posted on here?
This story reeks of bullshit. What kind of douche can't see that he spelled "agent" wrong right in the title?
Someone who's blood is pumping adrenaline 24/7 after he got busted. You are working really hard to convince yourself it can't be true. Let me guess: You have a package in the mail?
The cops aren't going to dress up as mailmen to bust someone for ordering a few hits of acid.
Are you saying this to reassure yourself? Or are you just incredibly naive? Of course they will do this, you dumbass. There are over 10million people in prison for things JUST LIKE THIS. Even less for that matter.
I used to think that they would when I was a teen, too, but they don't give a shit about you ordering some acid.
...But now that you are 20 years old, , and that the State will not put you in prison for breaking the law. Lol. Yeah , just keep ordering bro. You'll never get popped.
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I think the most likely scenario is what another poster alluded to... a major interception, followed by an investigation , then by search warrant. I'm not sure of the amounts, but I think something along the lines of this....
OP orders a "large amount" (whatever that constitutes), which is seized on the way in to the country. It is to his home address, perhaps to his real name. They silently intercept the package, send no love letter, and begin investigation. They get a warrant (if necessary) to look into people at this residence, including the purported recipient. Their investigation includes looking at recent bank activity of the individuals in question.
They notice transfers to a bitcoin exchange via direct wire from one of the individuals at the residence, 45 days prior, which then they take to a judge along with the seized package addressed to the residence, and obtain a search warrant. They come in waving their 'wire transfer evidence' that they are quite proud of, but the OP doesn't say anything, and since it's been a number of weeks, the related evidence has long-since been eliminated.
They find a personal quantity of whatever drugs happen to be lying around, and since illegal drugs were specified on the search warrant, they charge him with possession of the substance. Later the original charges involving mailing substances are dropped due to insufficient evidence, but the charges related to possession go forward.
So what sort of substance that got seized (likely on the way into the country) would trigger this action? Certainly something like 1kg of anything Schedule I or II. Certainly 100g of anything Schedule I/II. Perhaps 10g of something schedule I/II. Maybe even 1g? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. We are living in a police state.
this an amazing and accurate deduction by a newbie.
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You guys realize there is something called posting bail? Often times for simple possession (he said the federal felony charge didn't stick), they book you and release you with a court date.
Is it so hard to imagine that he may have used another computer to post this?
Given the posters history, I'm quite confident they are not bullshitting. There is simply no motivation for them to do so.
If you've seen my debates with kmfkewm, you know that I'm the first one to point out that ordering here is a lot safer than some of the paranoid types make it out to be. But I'm totally convinced of the legitimacy of this bust (and also convinced the OP took a lot of stupid risks that I actively discourage, as I outlined in an earlier post in this thread).
another great and accurate deduction
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we cannot state specific details in respect to my old partner. if LE is monitoring these forums, then they can link the crime to my old partner. therefore, i will not post any specifics about the bust. i can specify that it was only one of us, and my old partner is no longer involved in this account. i am in the process of getting a new partner, and this is the last i will post in regards to this topic. thank you all for your support
Why even keep this forum account?
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You guys realize there is something called posting bail? Often times for simple possession (he said the federal felony charge didn't stick), they book you and release you with a court date.
Is it so hard to imagine that he may have used another computer to post this?
Given the posters history, I'm quite confident they are not bullshitting. There is simply no motivation for them to do so.
If you've seen my debates with kmfkewm, you know that I'm the first one to point out that ordering here is a lot safer than some of the paranoid types make it out to be. But I'm totally convinced of the legitimacy of this bust (and also convinced the OP took a lot of stupid risks that I actively discourage, as I outlined in an earlier post in this thread).
another great and accurate deduction
What about the other deduction that Marsvolta12's account was compromised with the bust? What is the purpose of telling us about all this partner nonsense. You did not sound like Marsvolta. You admitted you are not Marsvolta after being called on it. Then who are you?
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^^^ It would be amazing if the reply to the post above were "another great and accurate deduction"..........
??? :o ::)
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Damn, I have to know more. I use money wires all the time!
How often do you order? Are they large orders?
Did someone snitch you out do you think.
WHere in the US?
Do you always follow all the SR rules?
Do you use MtGox, cause they shouldn't be giving your info out....what about the bank you use?
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we cannot state specific details in respect to my old partner. if LE is monitoring these forums, then they can link the crime to my old partner. therefore, i will not post any specifics about the bust. i can specify that it was only one of us, and my old partner is no longer involved in this account. i am in the process of getting a new partner, and this is the last i will post in regards to this topic. thank you all for your support
good to see you came out ok!!!!!
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What about the other deduction that Marsvolta12's account was compromised with the bust? What is the purpose of telling us about all this partner nonsense. You did not sound like Marsvolta. You admitted you are not Marsvolta after being called on it. Then who are you?
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Dude, you're out of your mind. A few people use this account. This number recently dropped by 1. About the account being compromised: After the incident WE posted CONFESSING about the bust. WHY WOULD THE FEDS DO THAT? Cant you just understand that we are VERY hesitant about posting cross-referenceable information about a currently open case on a DRUG FORUM THAT IS ACTIVITY BEING MONITORED BY MOST THREE LETTER AGENCIES? And more importantly, if it was compromised why wouldn't someone from the "real Marsvolta" come and say "HEY THAT IS AN IMPOSTER!" from another account? Because if we were compromised we could EASILY be vetted by Top Vendors (who know multiple people use the account ) and prove, without the need of the Marsvolta12 account name, that we are, who we say we are.
If you know anything about US law, what happened is completely possible. We try to be smart and well read. I'm sure you've heard of this term "Plausible Deniability'? In more simple terms "STFU GET ME A LAWYER" An EX partner got a little "Gung-Ho" and the consequences are obvious, but he is also well read and maneuvered his way into safety. Which in all actuality, shouldn't that hard. IE "STFU GET ME A LAWYER". However, I digress.
Without the presence of him on this forum and minimal contact between us, speaking for him has proven to be difficult, because HIS SAFETY IS AT RISK.
If I need to be vetted by a TOP vendor (because he also knows because WE told him RIGHT away) whom i've proved to him that we are who we say we are, I will ask. No offense, but I wouldn't do it for you. Going to my vendor and asking him for a favor while in a situation puts pressure on our relationship. I hope most will understand. And because your vote doesn't really matter to me. HOWEVER, if we get some senior/hero/admins members who are genuinely concerned, allow me to try my best to alive them. And I will ask without hesitation.
Everyone does have a right to ask about the situation and I completely understand those sentiments. We are all in this together and shared information can be absolutely priceless. I understand that more then most. However this information shared can come at a price, a partners freedom. That is a risk we WILL NOT take.
P.S. This really made me laugh when you said something like "why is marsvolta12 looking all into security all of a sudden after he was raided by the feds?"..... seriously dude.... seriously.....
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As far as I'm concerned, any questions of your legitimacy are strictly between you and your vendors.
You have to remember how forums are. And then remember this is a forum for NARCOTICS ENTHUSIASTS. I'd just let the thread die.
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What about the other deduction that Marsvolta12's account was compromised with the bust? What is the purpose of telling us about all this partner nonsense. You did not sound like Marsvolta. You admitted you are not Marsvolta after being called on it. Then who are you?
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Dude, you're out of your mind. A few people use this account. This number recently dropped by 1. About the account being compromised: After the incident WE posted CONFESSING about the bust. WHY WOULD THE FEDS DO THAT? Cant you just understand that we are VERY hesitant about posting cross-referenceable information about a currently open case on a DRUG FORUM THAT IS ACTIVITY BEING MONITORED BY MOST THREE LETTER AGENCIES? And more importantly, if it was compromised why wouldn't someone from the "real Marsvolta" come and say "HEY THAT IS AN IMPOSTER!" from another account? Because if we were compromised we could EASILY be vetted by Top Vendors (who know multiple people use the account ) and prove, without the need of the Marsvolta12 account name, that we are, who we say we are.
If you know anything about US law, what happened is completely possible. We try to be smart and well read. I'm sure you've heard of this term "Plausible Deniability'? In more simple terms "STFU GET ME A LAWYER" An EX partner got a little "Gung-Ho" and the consequences are obvious, but he is also well read and maneuvered his way into safety. Which in all actuality, shouldn't that hard. IE "STFU GET ME A LAWYER". However, I digress.
Without the presence of him on this forum and minimal contact between us, speaking for him has proven to be difficult, because HIS SAFETY IS AT RISK.
If I need to be vetted by a TOP vendor (because he also knows because WE told him RIGHT away) whom i've proved to him that we are who we say we are, I will ask. No offense, but I wouldn't do it for you. Going to my vendor and asking him for a favor while in a situation puts pressure on our relationship. I hope most will understand. And because your vote doesn't really matter to me. HOWEVER, if we get some senior/hero/admins members who are genuinely concerned, allow me to try my best to alive them. And I will ask without hesitation.
Everyone does have a right to ask about the situation and I completely understand those sentiments. We are all in this together and shared information can be absolutely priceless. I understand that more then most. However this information shared can come at a price, a partners freedom. That is a risk we WILL NOT take.
P.S. This really made me laugh when you said something like "why is marsvolta12 looking all into security all of a sudden after he was raided by the feds?"..... seriously dude.... seriously.....
The more I hear you talk, the more confusing your arguments become.
I still have to wonder why you keep this account open. If you care about your partner and there is anyway this account can be linked to him, then why continue to spread all this info under his account name.
It takes 5 sec to make a new account. For that matter, why do all your partners need to use this one account? You are not making any sense.
Marsvolta12's account seems to be the focal point of your interest and maybe the pm's that were stored in it.
Try not to get too emotional here. You? started the thread and I am asking what I think are reasonable questions.
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P.S. This really made me laugh when you said something like "why is marsvolta12 looking all into security all of a sudden after he was raided by the feds?"..... seriously dude.... seriously.....
Yes. I am glad we could share a laugh together. Nothing like studying Tor security AFTER you get busted. As well as, creating a 7500 viewed thread under your busted partner's account. I do not know which one made me chuckle more ;)
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As far as I'm concerned, any questions of your legitimacy are strictly between you and your vendors.
You have to remember how forums are. And then remember this is a forum for NARCOTICS ENTHUSIASTS. I'd just let the thread die.
^^time is money
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this shit scares me
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this is a ridiculous post and the OP should try to follow through on his profile quote