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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: jackthetripper on March 12, 2012, 02:59 am
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Hey, this is a good question too- where did all the acid go? I mean all our best vendors have no listings, guys like LSDirect or more recently Lysander Spooner, damn I wish I would have ordered a 10-strip, sitting on the 3 I have left like they were pure gold... Could it have been a bust or something? I messaged these sellers and will update with what they have to say, I can see that Lysander has another account now selling the same dancing bear acid (great stuff, don't get me wrong) for $21 a hit. But that is insane. For the record I paid $9 a hit for LSDirect's sour patch kids, and $13 for Lysander's blotter. Peace Silk Roaders!
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I want to know, too. I've finally figured out how to obtain bitcoins in order to buy LSD, and there's barely any left.
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Envious and some of the OVDB guys have been saying that LSD is about to hit big here on SR. Don't know how, why, or if it's true, but I'm going to cross my fingers and get ready to buy.
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Envious' seller page says he'll have black microdots soon.
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Ill have acid back up soon
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i heard its coming back
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ya man I've been hearing the same. I hear LSD is gonna make a come back here and it the whole movement is gonna be really good!
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I know someone who is picking up a large number of sheets and vials hopefully sometime in April, and I think they plan to vend on SR. I hear that it will be amber quality but around $400 for sheets.
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I know someone who is picking up a large number of sheets and vials hopefully sometime in April, and I think they plan to vend on SR. I hear that it will be amber quality but around $400 for sheets.
I just got 20 sheets in of that stuff you guys all love :)
Anyone interested in investing with me to get my price lower?
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You dont ship to the EU do you tony?
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I know someone who is picking up a large number of sheets and vials hopefully sometime in April, and I think they plan to vend on SR. I hear that it will be amber quality but around $400 for sheets.
I just got 20 sheets in of that stuff you guys all love :)
Anyone interested in investing with me to get my price lower?
Im interest,check your PM @ SRM.
Regards
J
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You dont ship to the EU do you tony?
This is a good question. I would vote for worldwide shipping option for LSD from Tony!
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The real issue is the prices. Most other products are available for semi-reasonable prices here. Hopefully someone will pull through with some affordable L soon.
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I just got 20 sheets in of that stuff you guys all love :)
Anyone interested in investing with me to get my price lower?
Will 20 sheets be enough? You planning on listing it?
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i heard its coming back
This makes me happy. I am waiting for tony, envious, or juergen listings. Probably wrong but the current listings seem sketchy.
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I think the acid is flowing fine, just not here. In the past week I've seen a group buy for a bit of high quality crystal, a buy for a much larger amount of amber xtal, and one vendor move five tenpacks of gdf fluff and fifty vials pretty fast. I don't think any of the people who bought are going to be vending on SR though so ultimately somebody lower down the supply chain is gonna have to step up and start parting out five and ten strips otherwise the good peoples who have been gracing us with their presence here are gonna be perennially out of stock. :-(
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I know it's a while from now, but by May I know there will be a shit ton of L on here. Most everyone goes into production April/May for the summer batch so they don't have to make it while it's hot during the festi season. That's what the smart ones do anyway. Just wait it out, envy is getting dots, some people are claiming vials,fingers crossed... Only time will tell.
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I wish I could find some GDF Fluff again. Where i live it was quite prevelant, and for about 400$-550$ a sheet.
I'm new here and was a little bit suprised by the price of L on here, but hey, it could be worse.
I'll be saving up bitcoins for a sheet or two of fairly priced L this spring/summer
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I know someone who is picking up a large number of sheets and vials hopefully sometime in April, and I think they plan to vend on SR. I hear that it will be amber quality but around $400 for sheets.
I just got 20 sheets in of that stuff you guys all love :)
Anyone interested in investing with me to get my price lower?
Sell strips please? ;D
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Thanks for the feedback and info guys. I feel better now. Yeah I had the same feeling, that the stuff on now was sketchy, just look at the sellers lol. Little feedback and low numbers (100 ug) make you not want it, plus high prices. On Lysander's page someone called him out for saying his acid was 150 when it was half that, I have tried it and I don't think so! I mean I may be an acid n00b (4 trips) but I know that one hit had me destroyed and acid crunk, acting stupid, for over 6 hours. Two would have been definitely too many, and I was on the edge of needing a trip sitter for just the one. Luckily, I had one, but then he left me to fend for myself :(. Truthfully I want LSDirect's sour patch kids back, even though I had a wicked bad trip off the second time on that. Too strong! Alright kids peace. :)
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I'm inclined to believe that Lysander's acid was either laid unevenly, or the people claiming it was not 150 are just lying. One hit of that was stronger than 2x hits of "100ug".
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I'm inclined to believe that Lysander's acid was either laid unevenly, or the people claiming it was not 150 are just lying. One hit of that was stronger than 2x hits of "100ug".
Yeah. It's hella strong. I still have three hits of it lol. I'm scared to take it. xD
No not really I just need to take like one a month till people start sellin good shit again.
It would be really fucking cool if making acid wasn't so hard, then one bust wouldn't affect prices and availability like that.
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I can also vouch with sureness that it will come much soon. Just wait guys. Summer of loves a comin 8)
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good to hear :) its been far too dry where I live for far too long
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looking forward to seeing some legit lucy! need to get my hands on some white fluff... it's been too long!!!
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This shit is driving me crazy. I've missed out on 3 acid purchases cause it's gone before I realize it, then get btc moved over.
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This shit is driving me crazy. I've missed out on 3 acid purchases cause it's gone before I realize it, then get btc moved over.
BTC's fun, hopefully some good deals will come up, spring/summer has always been better for finding stuff, more outside tours.
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goes into production? hate to tell you since you must be the top L guru, but production takes hours not days dude
Most everyone goes into production April/May for the summer batch so they don't have to make it while it's hot during the festi season. That's what the smart ones do anyway.
Production [pruh-duhk-shuhn] noun
1.
the act of producing; creation; manufacture.
LMFAO, the reaction takes over 12 hours alone you dumb fuck, that's if you're not puurifying it any further... Further purification takes twice that long. Producing clean L is a process that takes well over 24 hours...
And it doesn't matter if it takes 12 hours or 12 days, they go into production when they start making it. Take your 10 post ass and GTFO with your bullshit, flame my shit and you'll get burned bro, I know what I'm talking about or I don't fucking post.
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Go buy yourself a book, you genius...
Since the late 40s there have been documented routes that take less than 2 hours for "production".
Not to mention the latest routes which I will not be detailing for you.
Been watching you since your first logged on, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
And I saw your posts about testing LSD, you didn't even fucking know Urhlichs have false positives for any other psychedelics, even tho its clearly written on the tests.
So go ahead and talk some more shit dude, your a fucking a joke(r).
Lolz okay bro, show me where on the fucking test it says anything like that. It says it tests for presence of DMT/ LSD.
You've been watching me huh? Wow I got a fan club... much <3 to you bro
The only thing you can call me out on is that I didn't know nbome would show up purple on Urhlichs... Wow, I don't know shit about anything huh?
I've been here longer than you, I have more people to vouch for me than you ever will and I am not a fucking troll with 11 posts. Get real bud.
Please show me a link for a 2 hour LSD production method, LMFAO, I will promptly deliver 100BTC to the account of your choosing. This will not happen because there is no such method, even the new 3 step method will take much longer than 12 hours ;)
And when did I talk any shit???? I believe yo started the flame war 2 posts ago, is this not right???????
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May wanna check that last step out.. Evaporate in vaccum to get LSD, this takes more than 2 hours in itself. I'm not a chem major but I know that for a fact.
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Calm down peoples. Here's the paper: http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/pdf/lsd.garbrecht.pdf
I laughed at "I dont need to check any thing, ITS PUBLISHED.." Having done hundreds of reactions based on supporting info from 'big groups' papers, I can guarantee that a published procedure means shit all. When I see '95% yield' I know it means 62% yield on the third attempt :D
And have you ever tried to remove DMF on a rotovap? It's an absolute cunt, worse than rotovaping water. To remove the quantity required for a hundred gram batch would take hours. And it would be at least overnight on a hi vac to remove all of it. It's the clingiest, shittiest solvent imaginable.
The MSA route is crap. It's 2012 not 1972. Peptide coupling reagents allow clean amide bond formation with no epimerisation. If you have a pot of clean lysergic acid kicking around, a 100g batch of LSD would take around 12 hours work to make.
It would take about an hour to set up the glassware and weigh everything out; about 4 hours to run the reaction depending on which method was used; 1 hour workup and removing the solvent. If you were content to make the tartrate and pass off the cruddy mixture it as 'amber' then that would be another 2 hours of work. Higher quality acid is either the tartrate which has been recrystallised several times or the base which has been columned with 10% MeOH/DCM/ NEt3 then salted- a large batch would take fucking hours to purify.
If you were starting from commercial ET or Claviceps alkaloids from some Eastern Euro fermenter it would be at least another days work to prepare Lysergic acid.
Besides which it takes weeks for product to get distributed from a lab to the end user, it's not like labs lay the product themselves. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that this summers acid is already out the lab.
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just eat a couple tabs and chill out ffs lol
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Calm down peoples. Here's the paper: http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/pdf/lsd.garbrecht.pdf
I laughed at "I dont need to check any thing, ITS PUBLISHED.." Having done hundreds of reactions based on supporting info from 'big groups' papers, I can guarantee that a published procedure means shit all. When I see '95% yield' I know it means 62% yield on the third attempt :D
And have you ever tried to remove DMF on a rotovap? It's an absolute cunt, worse than rotovaping water. To remove the quantity required for a hundred gram batch would take hours. And it would be at least overnight on a hi vac to remove all of it. It's the clingiest, shittiest solvent imaginable.
The MSA route is crap. It's 2012 not 1972. Peptide coupling reagents allow clean amide bond formation with no epimerisation. If you have a pot of clean lysergic acid kicking around, a 100g batch of LSD would take around 12 hours work to make.
It would take about an hour to set up the glassware and weigh everything out; about 4 hours to run the reaction depending on which method was used; 1 hour workup and removing the solvent. If you were content to make the tartrate and pass off the cruddy mixture it as 'amber' then that would be another 2 hours of work. Higher quality acid is either the tartrate which has been recrystallised several times or the base which has been columned with 10% MeOH/DCM/ NEt3 then salted- a large batch would take fucking hours to purify.
If you were starting from commercial ET or Claviceps alkaloids from some Eastern Euro fermenter it would be at least another days work to prepare Lysergic acid.
Besides which it takes weeks for product to get distributed from a lab to the end user, it's not like labs lay the product themselves. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that this summers acid is already out the lab.
This... coming from a chem guy should shut you up moo-bear. Also, just because somebody can so it shittily in less time doesn't mean they shouldn't of spent more time doing it right.
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The prep you copypastad is adapted from the 1959 paper, you even gave the ref- JOC, 24, 368 (JOC vol 24 was '59). Look in the experimental section, the the final preparation for Ergonovine maleate is near identical to the prep you posted.
The chemistry isn't new but the reagents are pretty recent- PyBop (Coste, 1990); TFFH (Carpino, 1994); HATU (Carpino, 1993) etc. Older peptide coupling protocols like DCC coupling would give significant amounts of the other diastereomers.
Anyways, one way or another the acid will come, I'm saving my BTC for Gammagoblin's restock :D
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The chemistry pissing contest was fun and educational, but IMO the bigger logic flaw in moo-bear's "production takes hours not days dude" was his implication that "production" means nothing but time for the basic chemical reaction.
It would be awesome if that were true. For ANYTHING. Just think: if it takes 2 hours to assemble all the parts of an iPad 3, then we could all have them in our hands two hours after Apple's little speech last Wednesday telling us they existed. If it takes a thousand man-hours to build a house, I could invite a thousand friends to my vacant lot, and we'd have a house built for our party an hour later!
The real world's complicated, though. Getting real things done always takes more time than the people who aren't really doing those things think it should. Sucks, but that's the boring plodding nature of life. If the world was simple and magical, acid would be redundant.
(And the people who actually believe other people would pay up bitcoins over lame-ass forum arguments would be rewarded.)
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LMFAO, everyone on here knows I stay stocked with the needlepoint brah 8) Nothing but the finest. More L has passed through my hands than you have/will ever see in your lifetime, I can guarantee you that. I'd bet money if you ate 4 of my headstash blotters you'd need a benzo or two or you'd have a psychotic episode. I have people that can vouch for this.
Enjoy your last meal moo-troll, this is the last time I feed the troll :(
Any by the way, I'm talking about methods that people actually fucking use, you come in here and act like you know every fucking thing. I originally said people aren't in production of L atm, then you come in here and say oh it takes 2 hours to make so I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Go fucking whip up a batch you fucking genius since you think you know so much about it. GTFO unless you have something valuable to contribute here, which is what my original intent was you fucking jackass.
And why make your nym so similar to one of the biggest trolls SR has ever seen in making more and more sense. Moonbear is back with a new attitude folks.