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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: pushingmyluck on March 06, 2012, 11:17 am
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I recently received a package from the Netherlands to UK. When I received the package in a bubble envelope, there was a hole punched (Seems average hole punch size) at the top edge straight through the middle. The package took a couple of working days longer than expected to arrive.
Did customs have interest in my package, or is it some kind of post office procedure?
Either way, the contents were unscathed and well packed indeed.
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- this is worrying...you've checked with the vendor just in case?!
- does anyone think a "probe" could fit thru the punched hole?!
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Hey,
Yeah. I think an endoscopic one could have easily fit. I don't see why the seller would have punched it himself. The hole was quite obviously punched after the envelope was sealed as well. Nevertheless, the quantity and the magnitude of the package is tiny and I won't be expecting cops wasting any time on it at all in my neighborhood (Literally the UK-s most crime ridden shithole).
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- here is another one :-
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=9109.0
- perhaps the buyers could msg each other and w/o exchanging too much information perhaps there is a common denominator here?!
let us know how things go?
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I think i remember chronicpain reporting something like this happening. Said there was a hole in a package or something and someone responded saying the mail service uses hooks. Evidently thought it could be from hanging mail on these hooks or something... idk sounds kinda strange. Good thing they didnt poke the hole through the goods! that would have been sad
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This has happened to me with a box from canada, first vacuum was broke and the final 2 seals were intact.
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OP you say it's average hole-punched size but like micro said the post office sometimes uses hooks. However, a hole-punch would leave a very distinctive mark. Could it have been a hook?
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I wouldn't be surprised if these holes are being made to perform trace detection like ion mobility spectrometry or Raman spectrometry. The cost of desktop IMS scanners has been steadily falling and they're very fast ways to definitively identify narcotics and explosives.
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I wouldn't be surprised if these holes are being made to perform trace detection like ion mobility spectrometry or Raman spectrometry. The cost of desktop IMS scanners has been steadily falling and they're very fast ways to definitively identify narcotics and explosives.
Do you need a hole for that.. ?
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- i can only speak for uk inbound mail and i've never had nor heard of an envelope being punched like this no mail i've ever received even intl
have had a punched hole; my SR purchases haven't had these neither regardless of where they came from?!?!!?
- based on the postings above and I know a few of you this is looking like a usps thing, perhaps some uk "buyers" could chip in with their
experience..?!
:o :o :o
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from the other thread :-
customs does that and then runs the dog around so it can small any contraband easier.
they do it so they can stick a mini camera in there and snoop around looking for drugs. if they see a powder in there or some sticky buds they break it open and steal that shit. What r u gonna do if you find a hole in your envelopes? nothing you paranoid fucker, it's just a hole they say, what have you got to hide? fuck the police
:o :o
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The last 2 overseas packages that I have received had a tiny hole punched at the very top center. It was a very tiny hole. I was told that it was most likely for a camera. I think it was either for that (camera) or so they can easily smell inside, buy punching a whole in the package, there is a good chance that they will puncture a sealed package and make it easier to find. I just find it weird that both packages that Ive ordered from overseas had the exact same hole..
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I had one from the Netherlands come this way recently. The hole was smaller than one from a regular paper punch. The envelope had bubble wrap that did not extend all the way up. Only the paper was pierced not the bubble wrap.
The product was well hidden and would likely not have been seen by an endoscopic camera.
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Why would customs punch a hole? They have a right to open a parcel and there is no need for such methods of finding contraband.
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Even its possible for some parcels to be inspected that way if x-ray or dogs does not help (by using pinhole camera) I doubt that it will apply such device on ordinary envelope.
Device often used is ion scanner what can detect even low traces of the drugs, so I doubt that visual inspection is necessary.
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I had one from the Netherlands come this way recently. The hole was smaller than one from a regular paper punch. The envelope had bubble wrap that did not extend all the way up. Only the paper was pierced not the bubble wrap.
The product was well hidden and would likely not have been seen by an endoscopic camera.
- ok, doesnt make sense though ?! maybe the "probe" is small enough and there is a smaller hole in the plastic which isn't noticeable or they
figure making just the punched hole in the paper outer facilitates air to circulate in/out of the package and increase the chance of the sniffer
dog locating drugs ?!
it should be noted the sniffer dogs aren't machines and they aren't able to perform hours at a time to efficiently sniff out drugs...they require
rests inbetween so at best it could be used for spot checks and there must be thousands of "bulging envelopes" & jiffy bags per min or hour..
- there's no point for a machine to punch the whole to pick it up for scanning, as its probably more cost effective to scan it running along a
conveyer belt as everything else is scanned -ie uk airports, irish post and uk/eire baggage handling...?!
Why would customs punch a hole? They have a right to open a parcel and there is no need for such methods of finding contraband.
- opened parcels needs to be done manually not practical and raises suspicion, and it has to resealed -manually, probably with tape and
using "gov hmrc" the word would spread "customs are opening up all our parcels.."; if you received one you'd know its been tampered with, but just punching a hole can also take an air sample (probe for visual inspection still possible....)
???
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- an additional possibility is the punched hole is made early on, air circulates as the package / envelope is jostled about....at a later stage there's
a pick 'n choose which to inspect further, at which point an air sample can be take or for the sniffer dog to do a whole row of "suspect envelopes"
:o ;)
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the above post makes good sense^^^^^^^
this sounds like a nasty trick. Depending on how much technology they throw at the parcel, trace amounts could easily be confirmed. If it's just a light searching, however, washing and triple-sealing sounds like a good counter-measure.
One could be prosecuted on such grounds. I'd tell your seller to watch the fuck out!
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OP you say it's average hole-punched size but like micro said the post office sometimes uses hooks. However, a hole-punch would leave a very distinctive mark. Could it have been a hook?
OP here,
No, the holes are very distinct and clean and they seem to have penetrated everything on the way (a layer of card, glue, bubble wrap, more bubble wrap, glue and card). The parcel contents were lodged lower down and thus the single vacuum seal was not penetrated. The hole may have been smaller than that of an average hole punch, but only insignificantly. It was perfectly round though and clean cut (No penetration residue etc).
http://www.electricholepunch.net/wp-content/themes/AnXFactor/images/SingleHolePunch.jpg
Something like this could be the culprit, I suspect.
Also, if a camera was used, then the packaging would have protected the goods from being detected. I doubt they would bother going through such a procedure just for the sake of one letter out of tens of thousands than come from Netherlands to UK every day (But then again, one may only imagine how many of them contain illicit substances. Probably like every 3rd, haha).
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+1 hole in middle top of envelope, perfectly round about 5mm in diameter. :o
I contacted the seller and i'm waiting for a reply...
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So then these are hole-punched holes, and not just ... Holes?
Creepy stuff. Though when I think about it logically, if I were to be hanging envelopes up - for whatever reason - that would be how I would do it (hole punch) and where I would do it (top, though which side is top?).
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OP you say it's average hole-punched size but like micro said the post office sometimes uses hooks. However, a hole-punch would leave a very distinctive mark. Could it have been a hook?
OP here,
No, the holes are very distinct and clean and they seem to have penetrated everything on the way (a layer of card, glue, bubble wrap, more bubble wrap, glue and card). The parcel contents were lodged lower down and thus the single vacuum seal was not penetrated. The hole may have been smaller than that of an average hole punch, but only insignificantly. It was perfectly round though and clean cut (No penetration residue etc).
http://www.electricholepunch.net/wp-content/themes/AnXFactor/images/SingleHolePunch.jpg
Something like this could be the culprit, I suspect.
Also, if a camera was used, then the packaging would have protected the goods from being detected. I doubt they would bother going through such a procedure just for the sake of one letter out of tens of thousands than come from Netherlands to UK every day (But then again, one may only imagine how many of them contain illicit substances. Probably like every 3rd, haha).
- i don't see the benefit of "hanging" something to weigh it for instance?
- all "x-ray" type scanners i've ever heard of scan items flat on a belt...right...?!
- no point in picking something up with any hook -what to move it along?!...we all know mail runs on a conveyor belt system...
- there's more "risk" with further damage -what happens if it tears or water/moisture gets ...contrary to their goals of getting parcels out in
one piece....the idiots.?!
- the pic suggests a manual punching process -again maybe selective = worrying....why?!
good posts dudes.
;)
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+1 hole in middle top of envelope, perfectly round about 5mm in diameter. :o
I contacted the seller and i'm waiting for a reply...
Ok, my hole-mistery has been solved (I'm not OP) The seller contacted me and told me the hole in my envelope was already there. Something about getting the air out, seems logic when using airmail. Otherwise the envelopes go POP when they are in a low air density environment. Like when you take a bag of chips to the mountains ;D
So, my problem is solved 8)
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haha
'sigh'
::)
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i've found this thread through the search function... because i could remember about that thing with the camera and was really worried about that... received an envelope as well from the nl - mid europe, anything special about that, except i've observed a tiny whole at the bottom of the envelope, just the seize of a needle, maybe a little bit bigger than that... than i've discovered that the envelope is damn reeking... even an average person would guess, that there's a chemical substance inside... i was really worried about that and didn't open the package for 4-5 days, so if police or so turns up, i would have said, that it doesn't belong to me and i just wanted to take it to the post office to send it back to the sender... honestly! could this be a trap from the police, that they will just watch me and suddenly turn up at my door? i'm worried right now about that, because even the dumbest rookie would have recognized, that there's something wrong with this sending...
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I can't tell whether the people in this thread are trying to be funny, or just bat shit paranoid.
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I can't tell whether the people in this thread are trying to be funny, or just bat shit paranoid.
I am not without reason paranoid ... my worst nightmare is definitely, when the police suddenly stand in front of my door with a search warrant... especially when you have plenty of stuff stored there... i know, it's not the cleverest idea, but i'm pretty sure that a lot of people can't always take care of their shit... a lot more difficult when u are a vendor...
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- cos apparently those punched holes weren't there before, if you send enough jilly bags out its probably easy to notice; i've received and sent a fair lot of bits 'n bobs
over the years and punched hole would get me thinking, now that there are more and more reports on Silk Road its an easy mod to facilitate sniffing out of "contents"..
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- why all of a sudden are there punched holes, the makers couldnt give a shit about the safety of the senders stuff.
- i gonna take a look at these for myself when next i can, its probably down to a particular manufacturer, and if its mostly pointing to EU or even NL then that answers
it for everyone -right?!
rather find out and not assume thats all!
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Y'all crack me the fuck up. Punching holes for dogs, customs using microscopic cameras... lmfao. Seriously? I mean seriously? Let's throw one more CRAZY idea out there like, ummm the envelopes are made that way! Or the sender does that for easy hanging... or hell even the post office does it for hanging. Why is it almost EVERY package I have received from the netherlands has had them? It's really not because they're stopping it. You really think any customs or postal service has the time, man power, or ability to care about several hundred or so envelope going through their system to punch holes in each one and dedicate some type of high piece machinery to sniff out for drugs or other items? I bet next every knock at someone's door where there's no one there is a controlled conspiracy by law enforcement to see when the person is home. And every black SUV on the road and every helicopter is following YOU. I bet there is some massive coordinated effort to take each and everyone of us down. Come on people, a little bit of reality here never hurts.
-Krank
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Y'all crack me the fuck up. Punching holes for dogs, customs using microscopic cameras... lmfao. Seriously? I mean seriously? Let's throw one more CRAZY idea out there like, ummm the envelopes are made that way! Or the sender does that for easy hanging... or hell even the post office does it for hanging. Why is it almost EVERY package I have received from the netherlands has had them? It's really not because they're stopping it. You really think any customs or postal service has the time, man power, or ability to care about several hundred or so envelope going through their system to punch holes in each one and dedicate some type of high piece machinery to sniff out for drugs or other items? I bet next every knock at someone's door where there's no one there is a controlled conspiracy by law enforcement to see when the person is home. And every black SUV on the road and every helicopter is following YOU. I bet there is some massive coordinated effort to take each and everyone of us down. Come on people, a little bit of reality here never hurts.
-Krank
lol yes keep ignoring the reality that there are people whose job it is to watch for illicit substances being imported in.
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Key word there should be reality. Reality is I think too much credit is being given to those who's job it is to stop the drugs. Just paranoia.
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Key word there should be reality. Reality is I think too much credit is being given to those who's job it is to stop the drugs. Just paranoia.
you're talking like you would have years of experience and knowledge about investigations of le/ police/ customs, etc... ha?
i guess, you're just talking that way, because the largest amount of illegal drugs you've order were 5gr. mdma, right?
keep talking... ::)
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Y'all crack me the fuck up. Punching holes for dogs, customs using microscopic cameras... lmfao. Seriously? I mean seriously? Let's throw one more CRAZY idea out there like, ummm the envelopes are made that way! Or the sender does that for easy hanging... or hell even the post office does it for hanging. Why is it almost EVERY package I have received from the netherlands has had them? It's really not because they're stopping it. You really think any customs or postal service has the time, man power, or ability to care about several hundred or so envelope going through their system to punch holes in each one and dedicate some type of high piece machinery to sniff out for drugs or other items? I bet next every knock at someone's door where there's no one there is a controlled conspiracy by law enforcement to see when the person is home. And every black SUV on the road and every helicopter is following YOU. I bet there is some massive coordinated effort to take each and everyone of us down. Come on people, a little bit of reality here never hurts.
-Krank
I'd have to disagree. The reality is in certain types of surgery it's pretty common for tiny cameras to be inserted from a slit inside a person's body. It's possible LE could be using similar types of tiny cameras. I'm sure there are at least hundreds of customs people/LE whose sole job is to intercept suspicious packages 9 to 5 every day. No, not everything and everyone is LE but still, the risk is real and you're seriously endangering yourself if you aren't aware of it. I reckon at least 90% of the time people get caught when they stop being paranoid and let their guard down.
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I just checked an envelope from an order I received from NL a couple weeks ago and sure enough found the hole punch. I think it's entirely plausible that these packages are receiving some sort of extra attention. With how "stealthy" my package was, I'm surprised I received it at all. The extra week or so it took to arrive didn't help my confidence much either.
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..are we saying its just the NL padded envelopes at the mo?!
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..are we saying its just the NL padded envelopes at the mo?!
It seems that way...
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Obviously, if these holes are some uber-government conspiracy using their unlimited financial resources to try and find the Silk Road drugs, it's failing miserably, since you all are getting your packages just fine.
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..are we saying its just the NL padded envelopes at the mo?!
It seems that way...
...well well well, just a matter of asking around to get to the bottom of it there are few possibilities ....
Thanks
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Y'all crack me the fuck up. Punching holes for dogs, customs using microscopic cameras... lmfao. Seriously? I mean seriously? Let's throw one more CRAZY idea out there like, ummm the envelopes are made that way! Or the sender does that for easy hanging... or hell even the post office does it for hanging. Why is it almost EVERY package I have received from the netherlands has had them? It's really not because they're stopping it. You really think any customs or postal service has the time, man power, or ability to care about several hundred or so envelope going through their system to punch holes in each one and dedicate some type of high piece machinery to sniff out for drugs or other items? I bet next every knock at someone's door where there's no one there is a controlled conspiracy by law enforcement to see when the person is home. And every black SUV on the road and every helicopter is following YOU. I bet there is some massive coordinated effort to take each and everyone of us down. Come on people, a little bit of reality here never hurts.
-Krank
thanks for that dose of psyops... i feel so much better now knowing that the feds dont give a shit about drugs being mailed into the country. STFU
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Everybody worries about sending from Holland (I'm Dutch btw) but do you realize how many/much normal bubble wrapped envelops are sent .....you worry about little puncture holes and think they have checked your envelop (one of all the millions ???).
Is there nobody here who think that it is strange that the envelop is punctured and the bubble wrap inside is intact. Camera's, taking samples, hooks...???? Just open the thing and they can see, they have always the possibility if the suspect something so why doing so much trouble and hush hush.....
It even says on the envelop ''postal inspection open here'' in 6 !! languages !!!! :-)
Those envelops are going through so much, being picked up and all with machines, claws, grippers or whatever you want to call them. In the past I did -not our business:-)-business living abroad, I've sent to USA and Holland with Fedex, so that's handled ''with care'' but the rule was the package had to be able to fall from 1,5!! meters and would be intact. Sometimes the package was so f#cked up you would not believe it but not from checking...just the ruff handling.
Domestic mail is usually pretty intact right? But you get a thicker envelop from abroad its always a little wrinkled, a little torn etc. Its just the long way the envelop have to take and the many hands/machines etc handled them.
Don´t worry so much:-)
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i'm so happy, that anything happened in my case, because the envelope reeks chemically from one meter...