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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: ohbears on February 10, 2012, 03:45 pm
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I am looking for some super clean, super strong L. I have yet to order from outside the US, and it looks like very little is available domestically. Any good vendors to look out for? Is there an american cid shortage?
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Keep an eye out for 'Dankalicious' on SR or 'Dankology' on the forums. Recieved a sample from him not too long ago, and can confirm his product as LSD. He's a bit new, but is working his way up. Nice guy, great communication and a domestic vendor!
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yes, strange indeed that there is rather limited US L... are there reputable international vendors who anyone can recommend? I have yet to order outside the US, but I need to lose the fear.
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Be patient and be on the lookout for LSDirect and Del Ellis. They're both stand up vendors and are nice as hell. LSDirect had some Sour Patch Kids a few weeks ago that were absolutely wonderful, but he's got some personal shit going on right now that's diverted his attention away from SR. Del Ellis's stuff has yet to arrive for me due to a shipping accident ( which he offered to re-send for free), but the word is that his Lucy is fantastic.
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yes, strange indeed that there is rather limited US L... are there reputable international vendors who anyone can recommend? I have yet to order outside the US, but I need to lose the fear.
No, it's a very reasonable fear. I'm keeping it. There's massive amounts of family L out there to be had much cheaper than EU's so called "good" prices, as had been proven on ovdb. WHY we're not seeing it here... idk.
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thanks for the encouragement... looks like milehighmedicine has some 150mcg on sugar cubes. I've always been a blotter kind of guy, but I've been itching for a journey... maybe I'll give it a shot. Any experience with this vendor?
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Actually, there are quite a few, I guess because of the big sale recently a lot of them sold out, but I am expecting listings soon. Momiji has a promising future here in domestic USA acid sales, new vendor starting out, so I'm waiting on him/her to get the next batch in :B
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I'm not saying it can't or shouldn't be done. I'm tempted myself. But the idea of paying $5.50 a fucking hit on a sheet just makes me want to puke. I know the shit is out there. Why the fuck is it not getting here?
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Yea, that's what I'm saying. And to clarify my previous post. It's not just the price. And it's not just the fact that its from outside the US. But both together are really disturbing me. Especially when a few months ago I was paying $350 a sheet for quality GDF fluff. It's really hard to swallow a +$200 per sheet increase PLUS the fact the shits gotta make it through customs AND, I gotta pay up front if it makes it through or not... when we KNOW, family is out there in serious quantity and they're not even trippin about the money. But they apparently also have no motivation to get the love on SR either. Heck, maybe they don't even want it on SR? idk, but I just can't help feeling like we're getting fucked in the ass here without even the courtesy of a reach around. Well, I'm not droppin my pants just yet. That's all I'm saying.
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Keep an eye out for "Del Ellis" he's from the US and has some pretty good blotters. I don't know when he will be listing LSD again unfortunately though.
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New vendor ObamaGirl has some allegedly excellent blue shiva blotter, USA domestic only. I tried to get her to send me some, but I live outside the USA so no dice. :(
She did try to see if she could fit me in, though, and was very nice in our communication. Seems to be a stand up gal. If you live in the USA, I think she's worth considering.
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Yea, that's what I'm saying. And to clarify my previous post. It's not just the price. And it's not just the fact that its from outside the US. But both together are really disturbing me. Especially when a few months ago I was paying $350 a sheet for quality GDF fluff. It's really hard to swallow a +$200 per sheet increase PLUS the fact the shits gotta make it through customs AND, I gotta pay up front if it makes it through or not... when we KNOW, family is out there in serious quantity and they're not even trippin about the money. But they apparently also have no motivation to get the love on SR either. Heck, maybe they don't even want it on SR? idk, but I just can't help feeling like we're getting fucked in the ass here without even the courtesy of a reach around. Well, I'm not droppin my pants just yet. That's all I'm saying.
Respect if you're talking about when we were getting sheets from Ene then I think you have to keep one thing in mind. Ene was pursuing an unrealistic agenda. God bless him for it - he wanted to get the cheapest possible sheets out to us and he did. But he only did it by operating a very risky and unsustainable business model. He was basically selling sheets at 10-pack prices (his price break on the 10-pack was negligible - his break from the strip to the sheet was unbelievable). He wasn't paying re-shippers or even taking the time to drive out properly to mask his location when shipping. So he was buying in huge quantities and then sending out hundreds of sheets to hundreds of customers without using any middlemen. In the process he exposed himself terribly with disastrous consequence. If he'd kept himself safer by using re-shippers, or if he'd used a more realistic pricing structure to encourage a new tier of vendors to emerge in between him and the sheet--buyers (both of which would have been more normal practices for anyone vending on his scale) then we'd have ended up paying a lot more on the sheet. But the sheets would still be coming and he wouldn't be in jail.
For sure there are all kinds of other things he did to expose himself - importing bulk RCs and openly offering kilos of MDMA wasn't smart, in retrospect. But the basic point stands I think.
Having said all this your basic point is still valid. But as was remarked on ovdb on the same topic - the public online scene is less than a year old, and lsd production schedules are often planned well in advance. It wouldn't be realistic for supply to have caught up with this new concentration of demand so soon. I'm sure there are people with the necessary connections who are monitoring the situation, thinking about doing it, considering upping their crystal orders by a few grams next time - but I wouldnt expect to see them here for a year or so yet...
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That would all be much more comforting if it were even possible to buy a 10-pack from anyone on SR at a $/hit range comparable to Ene's sheet prices. But it still doesn't change the fact that there's a huge US supply conspicuously and completely absent from SR in any appreciable quantity. I get what your saying, but I don't think it's fair to attribute Ene's prices entirely to an unsustainable business model or an unrealistic agenda. The same pricing was being matched from the EU, and there even using re-shippers. Ene's tragic bust was a combination of unwise arrangements. But ti's really no excuse for the current situation.
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Back in December I bought some of LSDirect's white on white blotter. It was great super clean and the price was awesome. I am holding off buying more until he gets back.
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The same pricing was being matched from the EU, and there even using re-shippers.
Errrr...except that didn't actually work either did it? Tarp's logistics became unworkable and he bailed. His operation collapsed almost the moment he started moving the high-end stuff (and ene only dropped his prices, which had started at 600 / sheet, so as to be able to compete with Tarp, who was mostly making promises he would never keep). FD tried a different approach and that went to shit as well.
The fact is that it just is not that easy to move sheets at those kind of prices to a customer base this big.
Your account depends on the assumption that there is huge supply out there that isn't already met with demand. Where is the evidence for that? Of course there is plenty of family fluff around in the US, but there are not lots of people sitting on grams and grams of it that they can't sell IRL. It's not just about whether there is supply. It's about whether is supply that isn't already met by adequate demand.
I completely agree that it would be great to have people selling 10-packs on SR at a realistic rate. But selling publicly in that kind of quantity would take major balls - especially with what happened to Ene.
Man I'm not disagreeing with you in principle - but right now if we could see real sheets of good white crystal going out even for 550 on a regular basis then it would be an improvement on the current situation, where even that is a pipe -dream.
Envious had some sheets that sold out in 5 seconds flat - foreverfamily seems to be some kind of Walter Mitty fantasist if not a straight-up scammer (don't flame me FF - just prove me wrong, buddy...). Munchies was selling sheets for 800. The last Euro vendor to have high quality hits at bulk rates was Mitanox who was charging well over 600 for a sheet of Shivas. Of course I agree that it would be better to pay 350 for a sheet of fluff, and it should be theoretically possible. But I think we should wait until we're even being offered good sheets for 550 as a regular thing before we start kvetching about that price...
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could someone learn me about LSD real quick?
how many doses is a sheet?
whats family fluff? ive seen it being sold i guess i just dont get the wording.. does it mean something?
darkbanana is a good vendor, i got avatars before he sold out, 4 day shipping USA-USA
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could someone learn me about LSD real quick?
how many doses is a sheet?
whats family fluff? ive seen it being sold i guess i just dont get the wording.. does it mean something?
darkbanana is a good vendor, i got avatars before he sold out, 4 day shipping USA-USA
A sheet is 100 hits. Family Fluff is a name for LSD associated with the grateful dead and generally indicates good quality lucy. More to point however it really doesn't mean much unless its from a truely verified vender.
How were the avatars? I might consider a purchase, im really looking for some domestic doses
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160-175mic white on white fluff. i can't imagine being able to let it go for less than 550-650 a sheet to randoms on the internet
Well the sheets we're talking about are generally dosed at a standard rate of 100 mics.
So actually, if your dosage figures are accurate, 550-650 would be just fine for your sheets even by Respect's standards.
So please do bring them to these internet randoms, bodhisattva: we the unenlightened await your guidance and intercession on our journey to Nirvana ;)
And Respect is looks like bodhisattva has pretty much proved your point, actually.
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take this as you will:
from what i understand, there's plenty of family fluff around -- just few people are willing to risk distributing it to random people on the internet who might misuse/abuse it. let me explain something really quick; there is dose out there strong enough where if someone who doesn't know what they're doing were to eat 3, they would literally be running the streets naked. the last thing family wants is negative publicity or really any publicity at all. it would be grossly irresponsible to let 150mic+ hits into the wild with people of questionable intention. this is a holy sacrament, and it all seems like fun and games until you realize you dreamed your entire phenomenologically experienced universe.
onto prices, i personally pay 4.30 a hit on a ten-pack for 160-175mic white on white fluff. i can't imagine being able to let it go for less than 550-650 a sheet to randoms on the internet ; it blows my mind that people can so picky on prices when they can't even get it themselves. people have to eat, ya know? these same people are probably looking to pocket the difference in price when they resell it locally.
Bodhisattva. While there are many 'randoms' on SR, there's also those of us who are earnestly seeking the truth, and were just getting burned with the scammers/bad product here.
As I said earlier, I would happily and thankfully pay 550-650 for legitimate family fluff, because at this point along my journey of life, I can't even get clean doses period. Price literally means nothing to me compared to getting clean LSD. I would pay over 1000 dollars without even thinking twice for a clean sheet of acid, because, again, I literally can't get clean acid, no matter how hard I try it seems.
EDIT: Just to clarify. When I say 'clean LSD', I'm talking about 95%+ white crystal or better.
I got half a joot vial and a sellers account, if you'd really pay 1k for a sheeet, I'll sell you half my vial for $500, no problem full escrow. PM me
Joot's vials are amazing 50 ug drops, 96/200 have been consumed, so more than half left actually.
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I would never part with the joot vial!
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What about Bloomingcolor? Was going to try them out sometime soon.
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Just wanted to chime in and let you guys know that i am trying my hardest to bring domestic LSD to SR
(Canada actually, but close enough, and out of 300+ transactions i have a near 100% ship success rate to the USA)
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I used to be on ovdb too and I echo many of the sentiments here about LSD availability/pricing. I am fortunate enough to have a reliable source for WoW sheets, however I do not have the capital to order enough sheets at one time to enable me to resell at reasonable prices.
If I did not have to buy a seller's account and pay commission, I could do 550/sheet, and even at that price I would be hardly profiting. I really wish that my situation allowed me to help my brothers and sisters more...If only we could all hang out and I'd gladly dose you for free!
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Know why there are not comparable prices on SR? Because if Ene did sheets for $350 here he would have to keep the money in escrow and risk doing sheets for $175 if a customer decided to scam him. Plus he would need to pay the 10% or whatever it is SR fee. It just isn't feasible to offer products so cheaply when you are paying a per order fee + risking 50% of the total income on every sale. This is made up for by nearly doubling prices.
Then again, one could very well say the reason SR is still around is the fact that it is essentially self sustaining from a profit perspective. Making money from SR is a good move on SR admins part. and the vendors not selling single sheets to hundreds of people. Enelysion sold over 100k hits on OVDB. And escrow would have come in handy on OVDB toward the end when tarp fucked off and fairy fucked off.
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Know why there are not comparable prices on SR? Because if Ene did sheets for $350 here he would have to keep the money in escrow and risk doing sheets for $175 if a customer decided to scam him. Plus he would need to pay the 10% or whatever it is SR fee. It just isn't feasible to offer products so cheaply when you are paying a per order fee + risking 50% of the total income on every sale. This is made up for by nearly doubling prices.
Then again, one could very well say the reason SR is still around is the fact that it is essentially self sustaining from a profit perspective. Making money from SR is a good move on SR admins part. and the vendors not selling single sheets to hundreds of people. Enelysion sold over 100k hits on OVDB. And escrow would have come in handy on OVDB toward the end when tarp fucked off and fairy fucked off.
Then you have conversion fees when converting BTC to other forms of currency. BTC ain't cheap.
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Know why there are not comparable prices on SR? Because if Ene did sheets for $350 here he would have to keep the money in escrow and risk doing sheets for $175 if a customer decided to scam him. Plus he would need to pay the 10% or whatever it is SR fee. It just isn't feasible to offer products so cheaply when you are paying a per order fee + risking 50% of the total income on every sale. This is made up for by nearly doubling prices.
Then again, one could very well say the reason SR is still around is the fact that it is essentially self sustaining from a profit perspective. Making money from SR is a good move on SR admins part. and the vendors not selling single sheets to hundreds of people. Enelysion sold over 100k hits on OVDB. And escrow would have come in handy on OVDB toward the end when tarp fucked off and fairy fucked off.
Then you have conversion fees when converting BTC to other forms of currency. BTC ain't cheap.
You ever gonna move sheets around here again, envious?
At some point. I just don't have enough money to buy that many. When I get them in they are gone in like an hour or I already have them sold...
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I would never part with the joot vial!
Trade you it for a sheet of that WoW ;D
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I'm selling reagent tests now guys, test all your LSD purchases, and see if it REALLY is LSD: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/20607
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Ya'll I've just got a case a the red ass, lol. The TOPIC gives me cause to vent :)
Of course I would be perfectly happy to see domestic sheets in the 5s. And of course, in the 4s would be better. And of course, 3s would be better still. I was lookin at BC too and he was looking good till this sudden hiatus. I sampled LSDirect's candy and it was good. He's also awol. I don't have anything against the EU guys. I just don't want to deal with the risks of receiving international packages of illegal drugs.
An it isn't that I want sheets cheaper to resell profitably locally, lol. Sure, the thought's crossed my mind but I'm not a "drug dealer" type. That's not the life style I want to live. I never sold any of the L I got from Ene either. Sure, I gave some away, but I ate most of it myself, lol. Not that I wouldn't. If I ever had the opportunity, it'd be an honor to be a part of sharing quality L with the world. Is it too much to hope for to be able to do it at reasonable prices? If anyone's being greedy here, at $350 / sheet, $3.5/hit of 100 ug, that's $35k per GRAM. Keep it in perspective and that's just ridiculous. Folks been plenty well paid by this point to go whining about money.
I don't think SRs structure necessarily makes it prohibitive to sell at low prices. Escrow is really a non-issue considering its standard operating procedure for vendors to require FE on any orders sheet size or larger anyway. I think the risk of loss of value of bitcoins would be more significant.
Just out of curiosity, with these non-present domestic sources, how much L would someone have to buy to get to a reasonable, say $3.0 - $3.2 price point? I find it hard to believe anyone would actually pay $30k for a gram.
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Just wanted to chime in and let you guys know that i am trying my hardest to bring domestic LSD to SR
(Canada actually, but close enough, and out of 300+ transactions i have a near 100% ship success rate to the USA)
A sheet is 100 hits. Family Fluff is a name for LSD associated with the grateful dead and generally indicates good quality lucy. More to point however it really doesn't mean much unless its from a truely verified vender.
How were the avatars? I might consider a purchase, im really looking for some domestic doses
i havnt tried it yet, waiting for Bassnectar :), cant wait. I think hes sold out now, the avatars were being hyped alot so i picked em up.
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A gram is normally around 20k
I was offered a gram of Swiss for 18k by someone on the West Coast IRL recently but I would have to see it ti believe
Munchies used to insist that he was having to pay a lot more for grams than that though - he kind of implied that he was paying north of 30, which was why we couldn't offer reasonably priced sheets.
This does kind of feel like a complete re-run of the last big conversation we were having on OVDB before it went down. Obviously what needs to happen at some point if for someone with the capital to invest and the necessary hook-up to get themselves a gram and get going. I think that's much more likely to happen with somebody who has a real-life hook-up, because the chances of any of the people who can access crystal online being willing to work with someone from SR on it are pretty low.
Some of you guys with the IRL hook-ups should seriously consider this as an option. 20,000 is not hard to come by: you can get a loan for that amount pretty easy...
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Working on it you guys. Gonna go pick up another vial tomorrow :) listings will be up tomorrow night or monday morning. I could increase the amount I get each time, however waiting for people to finalize is killing me. I still have 400+ bucks in escrow from the last vial. Not saying I want people to finalize early just please keep me in mind as soon as you receive your product. I know you don't like to wait for your packages!
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A gram is normally around 20k
Really? I was under the impression a gram was more in the 10-15k range on the west coast depending if it was silver/white crystal.
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A gram is normally around 20k
Really? I was under the impression a gram was more in the 10-15k range on the west coast depending if it was silver/white crystal.
could well be: I don't really know. The only prices I know authoritatively are European prices, where a gram of white will usually set you back say 12-16k euros, depending on how many middlemen it's gone through. Not that I have any current hook-up for that, before anybody asks ;(.
(And this offer from the West Coast came to me indirectly via a friend and not from a source anyone thinks is very reliable!)
I've heard people talk about paying 20 on private forums (to which I have no access, before anyone asks).
I would presume a lot of it has to do with how many hands it's passing through - I guess most people are gonna put a tax of at least a grand or two on a gram before passing it on to the next person in the chain - and the sources are going to keep themselves down to a pretty tight customer base - so I imagine prices can vary a lot.
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price of raw is relative to who you know and what they think of you.
new school darknet families are being formed as we speak.
problems have been solved, it is a fact.
I predict the return of 100 dollar sheets before next year.
LOL - sums up every long-winded contribution I've made to this thread and then some- in 4 short lines
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We find it very odd that the most people wanting LSD are from the US. That's where the best/cleanest stuff comes from and it seems that's where everyone wants to buy it as well, yet it travels all round the world in order to be consumed by the end user, boggling
is there something in US-US postal that makes people scared perhaps?
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We find it very odd that the most people wanting LSD are from the US. That's where the best/cleanest stuff comes from and it seems that's where everyone wants to buy it as well, yet it travels all round the world in order to be consumed by the end user, boggling
is there something in US-US postal that makes people scared perhaps?
No, it's nothing to do with that.
The massive Pickard bust in 2000 plus the end of the Grateful Dead touring career during the decade that followed wiped out and seriously weakened the two main distribution networks for LSD in the US. No comparable distribution network has yet re-established itself. There are many places in the US where there has been no regular supply ever since.
There's never been a comparable attack on the European distribution networks - not since Operation Julie anyway. The psytrance scene has basically inherited the role of the old free festival scene as the basis for the distribution network acid, and the Law couldn't really give a shit.
Also, I think psychedelic culture was always rather more diffuse and widespread in the US - so there was always generally larger demand overall. My sense is that demand was never that high in Europe and has always been confined to quite specific populations who find it easy enough to congregate and constitute supply networks, whereas in the US there are lots of people who were never, or are no longer, connected to the jamband tour or rave scenes, but who would really like to be consuming LSD regularly. In Europe the number of people who really want acid but who have no connections to the psytrance networks are probably negligible.
One final point might be that European users are generally much more ignorant about quality of LSD - no group has ever played the role of the Grateful Dead Family in the US of spreading some basic knowledge and expectations about crystal types. I know people in the UK who've been using for 20 years and who still that the difference between 'good' and 'bad' acid is that the bad acid is cut with strychnine /: What you'll see on SR is that there is real demand from US customers for QUALITY product - not just for acid in general. European customers don't normally make much of a distinction.
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The best crystal I ever had was from the Swiss.
But in general you are right as the mass produced shit ouf of Europe is just that...shit.
You are lucky if you get real LSD, and the rest is a mix of random lysergide analogs.
If you are lucky enough to get real LSD from Europe, then the quality of the crystal is still probably pretty low. I think the American producers do it for better reasons then the Europeans, who are driven more by money. This leads to purer product and less side effects. You know when you compare a Euro hit with an INCREDIBLE body load, almost an allergic reaction, to some nice WoW, then you will know what I am talking about. Your body doesn't lie.
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Man, it feels good to vent my frustrations and just get it out there. I'm glad someone started this thread, lol. Really good info flowing back and I appreciate it. I was gonna say, 30k for a gram would be ridiculous. 20k for one, I could see that. Heck, I'd do that at this point. Bet I could move 100 sheets here on SR in a month or two, pricing that shit proper. But its still pretty heavy when you put it in perspective. I'd imagine folks moving on that level would be buying even larger amounts at even better prices. Man, I wish I had that kind of connect. Yall'd be hooked the fuck up! But as long as the acid gets flowing, I'll be happy. Guess we just gotta sit tight and get by for now.
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I'm surprised there aren't more listings for smaller packages--quarter-sheets or even like 5 doses. There's got to be other buyers like me who are looking for that sort of thing rather than entire sheets. And it seems like those would be better for vendors too, with a higher markup/profit margin and a smaller financial risk if the acid's bunk or the buyer scams.
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My listings are now up in the LSD section. Check my buyer profile. Domestic US LSD on blotter.
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Ya'll I've just got a case a the red ass, lol. The TOPIC gives me cause to vent :)
Of course I would be perfectly happy to see domestic sheets in the 5s. And of course, in the 4s would be better. And of course, 3s would be better still. I was lookin at BC too and he was looking good till this sudden hiatus. I sampled LSDirect's candy and it was good. He's also awol. I don't have anything against the EU guys. I just don't want to deal with the risks of receiving international packages of illegal drugs.
An it isn't that I want sheets cheaper to resell profitably locally, lol. Sure, the thought's crossed my mind but I'm not a "drug dealer" type. That's not the life style I want to live. I never sold any of the L I got from Ene either. Sure, I gave some away, but I ate most of it myself, lol. Not that I wouldn't. If I ever had the opportunity, it'd be an honor to be a part of sharing quality L with the world. Is it too much to hope for to be able to do it at reasonable prices? If anyone's being greedy here, at $350 / sheet, $3.5/hit of 100 ug, that's $35k per GRAM. Keep it in perspective and that's just ridiculous. Folks been plenty well paid by this point to go whining about money.
I don't think SRs structure necessarily makes it prohibitive to sell at low prices. Escrow is really a non-issue considering its standard operating procedure for vendors to require FE on any orders sheet size or larger anyway. I think the risk of loss of value of bitcoins would be more significant.
Just out of curiosity, with these non-present domestic sources, how much L would someone have to buy to get to a reasonable, say $3.0 - $3.2 price point? I find it hard to believe anyone would actually pay $30k for a gram.
Ill start selling sheets at 350$ the day there are no escrow costs, 100% arrival rates and no exchange costs. Unfortunatly I have to calculate all those things in.
650 (price I sell a sheet for)
50 (escrow cost)
15 (hedging cost)
15 (bitcoin fluctuation cost)
20 (bitcoin washing cost)
10 (labour + stamps etc)
20 (wire transfer cost)
20 (money laundering cost)
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500$ when I get it clean on my account.
After that I have to buy a new sheet with that money to restock and whatever is left is my profit. Its really not so much what I take I feel. I wont say howmuch I pay for a sheet but its more then people think. Quality acid isnt cheap (or im just not so connected). These figures arent totally correct of course but they approach reality quite much. Yes, I am slowly getting rich of this but its only by the volume what I move around here and outside SR, not by the mega margins people always think we sellers have. Running an operation like I have smoothly costs some money unfortunatly. I could be like Tarp and just ship once in a while, take not so much security measures and only respond once a month to messages but I dont believe that will work for the long term, and this what im doing now is :)
Just like you have expensive phone plans with all the support needed and 24/7 support on a toll free number and cheap low end phone plans with no support at all if something breaks except a office hours support desk with uneducated wimps on a 2$ a minute number who hang up on you if you sound a bit annoyed.
Anyways, not bashing anyone but unfortunatly I have to ask these prices to make a living. You get what you pay for basicly :)
Warm greetings,
Mitanox
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Now that things have turned around I'll have a few sheets of WoW listed this Saturday at $375 per. ;D Check out my vendor page ;D I've already had a report from a recent buyer that a half tab of this new batch got him completely lifted lol.
My vendor page http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/128789
--FF
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Well SR just issued a 100% refund on an order that was showing up for sure tomorrow. I'm out $975 just like that. :/ Lesson learned, bye guys.
No more listing are to be made until every order has been fulfilled. I will be keeping an eye on you, and if you make more listings before then you will be seen as verified scammer and action will be taken.
DigitalALch
I'd suggest being a little more honest and actually reclaim some legitimacy before doing an ever cheaper sell than the first two that went extremely roughly though. Ill post a new thread for those who havent received your orders and point DigitalAlch in the direction of your post here. When everyone's received this last order you sent out or a refund(per an ADMIN'S REQUIREMENT), you should start that next sell.
For those who read this topic and have not received their order from FF please post in the thread linked here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=12300.0
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Anyways, not bashing anyone but unfortunatly I have to ask these prices to make a living. You get what you pay for basicly :)
Warm greetings,
Mitanox
I know, bro. Not tryin to villainize you guys. You're doing a great service to the community and I wish you nothing but the best. If I ever do order EU acid, there's no one I'd feel better working with.
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USA LSD is Stocked. Check signature below for my buyer profile which contains my listings.
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Ya'll I've just got a case a the red ass, lol. The TOPIC gives me cause to vent :)
Of course I would be perfectly happy to see domestic sheets in the 5s. And of course, in the 4s would be better. And of course, 3s would be better still. I was lookin at BC too and he was looking good till this sudden hiatus. I sampled LSDirect's candy and it was good. He's also awol. I don't have anything against the EU guys. I just don't want to deal with the risks of receiving international packages of illegal drugs.
An it isn't that I want sheets cheaper to resell profitably locally, lol. Sure, the thought's crossed my mind but I'm not a "drug dealer" type. That's not the life style I want to live. I never sold any of the L I got from Ene either. Sure, I gave some away, but I ate most of it myself, lol. Not that I wouldn't. If I ever had the opportunity, it'd be an honor to be a part of sharing quality L with the world. Is it too much to hope for to be able to do it at reasonable prices? If anyone's being greedy here, at $350 / sheet, $3.5/hit of 100 ug, that's $35k per GRAM. Keep it in perspective and that's just ridiculous. Folks been plenty well paid by this point to go whining about money.
I don't think SRs structure necessarily makes it prohibitive to sell at low prices. Escrow is really a non-issue considering its standard operating procedure for vendors to require FE on any orders sheet size or larger anyway. I think the risk of loss of value of bitcoins would be more significant.
Just out of curiosity, with these non-present domestic sources, how much L would someone have to buy to get to a reasonable, say $3.0 - $3.2 price point? I find it hard to believe anyone would actually pay $30k for a gram.
Ill start selling sheets at 350$ the day there are no escrow costs, 100% arrival rates and no exchange costs. Unfortunatly I have to calculate all those things in.
650 (price I sell a sheet for)
50 (escrow cost)
15 (hedging cost)
15 (bitcoin fluctuation cost)
20 (bitcoin washing cost)
10 (labour + stamps etc)
20 (wire transfer cost)
20 (money laundering cost)
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500$ when I get it clean on my account.
After that I have to buy a new sheet with that money to restock and whatever is left is my profit. Its really not so much what I take I feel. I wont say howmuch I pay for a sheet but its more then people think. Quality acid isnt cheap (or im just not so connected). These figures arent totally correct of course but they approach reality quite much. Yes, I am slowly getting rich of this but its only by the volume what I move around here and outside SR, not by the mega margins people always think we sellers have. Running an operation like I have smoothly costs some money unfortunatly. I could be like Tarp and just ship once in a while, take not so much security measures and only respond once a month to messages but I dont believe that will work for the long term, and this what im doing now is :)
Just like you have expensive phone plans with all the support needed and 24/7 support on a toll free number and cheap low end phone plans with no support at all if something breaks except a office hours support desk with uneducated wimps on a 2$ a minute number who hang up on you if you sound a bit annoyed.
Anyways, not bashing anyone but unfortunatly I have to ask these prices to make a living. You get what you pay for basicly :)
Warm greetings,
Mitanox
This is a really good explanation Mitanox - thanks so much for that transparency.
I would say as well that as far as I know the same kind of logic applies all the way up the supply chain.
It's a long time since I was seriously involved in the drug business IRL, but when I was there was a lot more widespread demand for acid than there is now, at least in the markets that I know, and even then it was common wisdom that only a handful of people right at the top of the supply chain could feed a family from selling acid. There were people who would occasionally make a big profit from one big deal but not enough to live on for the rest of the year. Everyone else had to sell other things to make even a bare living - there was just no big profit from acid.
It was partly because the margins were so low all the way through the chain (unless you were actually making the stuff and then selling sheets, which is what people sometimes seems to imagine happens but obviously doesn't) and partly that at the end of the day, individual customers just don't take that much acid. Even people who are really into it will take weeks or months to get through a sheet. The same amount of money spent on coke wouldn't last many users a weekend. Weed, even Molly - individual consumers just get through it so much faster than they get through a score of LSD.
I know there's a handful of well-established online vendors who make a good living from it and good luck to them, but they can mostly only do it by charging these kind of prices, as far as I can see.
But like Nerf said .... change may well come sooner than people expect. I think the huge untapped demand for acid must be one of the great unexpected discoveries of the great experiment in public vending: who knew? who would have bet money 12 month ago that once you made it possible for people to buy drugs on the internet, the thing they would be crying out for would be acid? (It's kind of encouraging that that's the case, when you think about it). Sooner or later supply will come to meet that demand. Sorry to people who've heard me say all this before ;)
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I miss USD and his extremely strong doses. Which I believe are way more than 1oomics. Never ever tripped that hard. Was unsure of all reality.