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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: ForeverFamily on January 03, 2012, 11:36 am
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We are clearing house. EDIT: NEW PRICES LISTED BELOW. We will purchase a sellers account Friday night. Items go up for sale Saturday morning. We have a limited supply of both white on white and prints, so please let me know if you plan on ordering, so we can reserve you one.
We will send out 5 tabs to people who are able to review IMMEDIATELY so others can be sure of their purchase. Please do not ask us for a sample if you are not able to sample and give us a review right away.
5 Tabs WoW $45.00
5 Tabs Print $35.00
10 Strip WoW $90.00
10 Strip Print $65.00
25 Tabs Print $140.00
25 Tabs WoW $180.00
Print Full Sheet $425.00
Print Half Sheet $230.00
WoW Full Sheet $550.00
WoW Half Sheet $300.00
Thank you---
Foreverfamily
48 HOUR SALE!!!
For a 5-strip purchase you will receive an extra 2 tabs.
For a ten-strip purchase you will receive an extra 3 tabs.
For a 25-strip you will receive an extra 7 tabs.
For a half sheet you will get an extra 15 tabs.
And for a full sheet you will get an extra 20.
This will only go on for 48 hours, anybody after that, we're sorry but well have to cut you off :(
Get at it guys!
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Are you offering escrow?
will pm you
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Are you offering escrow?
will pm you
Yes. Full escrow.
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hello foreverfamily,
how many mcg (for realz)? USA only?
I could review too, I would even take a day off from work for that:)
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hello foreverfamily,
how many mcg (for realz)? USA only?
I could review too, I would even take a day off from work for that:)
130-140ug which we feel is quite fair for the price.
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3 sheets reserved already. Still have 5 samples to send.
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I thought Family sheets were always laid at 100ug/hit?
Is it WoW (perfed or unperfed) or a print?
Sounds like a great offer anyway...
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foreverfamily: I would be willing to do a review as soon as received.
Do you have PGP?
Edit: Just read what the OP claims they are dosed at, as sitdown stated I was also under the impression that 100-110ug was the standard for the Family.
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You could send me a sample. I would dose as soon as I receive it in the mail and if it it's good quality I would vouch for you to no end.
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Will review before crash from the trip.
If samples are left, let me know.
PM me to get ball rolling.
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I offered to review as soon as he posted and was rudely rejected IMO he said "You are selling L yourself right?" and then after I said yes and explained more about my situation he decided to not messaged back at least that's how it seems to me as a few minutes later he posts he has 5 sample left, I guess just because I sell/ or am trying to I don't qualify to sample what a joke lol.
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I'm interested in a sample. I can give a review asap, pm me ;D
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PM sent!
If you turn out to be legit and straightforward, you have found a customer in me! I wish you the best my friend; Good Luck!
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I guess just because I sell/ or am trying to I don't qualify to sample what a joke lol.
I don't understand...how is that a joke? your his competitor by helping you hes not really going to get anything from it..so why should he put you down for a sample?
it's like a weed vendor sending out a sample to other weed vendors..kind of a waste of time?
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Oh god those prices look good, will you be selling more on here in the future is it this one time?
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Totally interested in a sample.
Just got fucked by "amsterdam24" for a strip.
Will review immediately upon trip completion 8D
PM me if there are any left to give. ::)
Just emailed a24 about karma, it sure is a bitch ;D
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I guess just because I sell/ or am trying to I don't qualify to sample what a joke lol.
I don't understand...how is that a joke? your his competitor by helping you hes not really going to get anything from it..so why should he put you down for a sample?
it's like a weed vendor sending out a sample to other weed vendors..kind of a waste of time?
Thank you.
We have 4 sheets of WoW and the rest are prints. As we stated before, we are clearing house. Therefore every bit of extra crystal was used, hence the slightly stronger than average dosage. For those of you who still do not believe, we will gladly send you a sample and we're sure you will see that, if anything, we're undershooting the actual dosage. We would rather undershoot and have you surprised at the potency. Than overshoot and face disappointment.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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If there are anymore samples I'll gladly give it a review. Currently on winter break so I have lots of spare time! Send me a PM if I qualify
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Under promise and over deliver, oh yeah, sounds good to me!
Foreverfamily,
The reason so many people are questioning the dosage, is because most of the LSD vendors, on SR with the exception of a few, over freakin promise, something like: 170-190ug Blotters(actually 50-60ug), and everyone reviews it with raving reviews....Like this..."I took 3 hits and tripped balls" ...... My God Man! 3 hits of 180ug acid should put you in another freaking world, and this is half of whats wrong with this forum.....If you are asked to give a review, then call a spade, a spade, if you had to take 2 hits to feel the acid, and it was freakin advertised at 170-190ug, then you were ripped off, but if you wanna praise up that kind of crap, then by all means, keep getting screwed, but do the community the justice of calling it like it is, so we can choose in what manner we give our money away, cause all we can do is take your word for it.
The Buyers have the power to say, "We don't want your weak acid, and if it is weak, and it takes 2 hits to get me there, then vendors should just say so, and sell it for half price, cause it's crap acid, and if you advertised as 170-190ug acid, then you either didn't realize it, or your a scammer!!!"
The kind of reviews I want to see about foreverfamily's acid goes a little something like this........"I took 1 hit and felt full on acid effects within the first 30-45mins, this was freaking amazing acid, 1 hit will take you there, maybe not a spiritual awakening, but definitely good acid, 2 hits may be scary!!..... Thanks foreverfamily!"
Now that would be like 120-130ug acid, if it aint as good, I might still get some, but he's gotta sell it cheaper!
Quit giving your money away, you keep paying above average prices for below average acid, that's what you'll continue to get.
That's just my opinion,
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Dont be stupid people. If the prices are to good to be true than they are. All you greedy people that have to have shit get ready to lose out.
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Where's the vendor account? URL?
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I dont need a sample nor do I want to be involved in this scam in anyway. No one is selling sheets of acid for $450 to strangers when he could just ask for $650 and they would still sell. In fact its stupid to sell acid for this kind of price. Dont be a bunch of idiots guys.
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I dont need a sample nor do I want to be involved in this scam in anyway. No one is selling sheets of acid for $450 to strangers when he could just ask for $650 and they would still sell. In fact its stupid to sell acid for this kind of price. Dont be a bunch of idiots guys.
We're just going to ignore you. We feel no need to inform you of our reasons to clear out our stock so quickly, and we feel this is a fair price to do it at. We have already stated full escrow will be used. Now please respect our wishes and take the flaming elsewhere. Or should we go with your reasoning and bump the price up to $650/ sheet? How does everybody feel about this?
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Wow. So we have another LSD scammer. Will it ever end.......
May we ask why you say this? We have stated numerous times full escrow will be used and samples will be sent before we even purchase a sellers account.
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Wow. So we have another LSD scammer. Will it ever end.......
May we ask why you say this? We have stated numerous times full escrow will be used and samples will be sent before we even purchase a sellers account.
There have been a lot of scams that start out similar. Offering full escrow and sending out samples is a sign of good faith but so many people have been ripped off recently that it's hard to believe. The community would love nothing more than this to be 100% legit and allow love + respect to prevail. Best of luck, I look forward to the results.
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I will buy some and I got cash send me a PM! I want 1-2 sheets ASAP! Thanks.
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I will sample your drugs! :) send me your pgp key please 8)
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I will sample your drugs! :) send me your pgp key please 8)
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Any samples I am interested? If its good I would be happy to make my first order 1 sheet. Thanks
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It appears the buyer who asked to reserve all of our white on white was simply talk and is not planning on following through with his order as soon as he originally presented. Therefore all white on white is still available. Prices are as follows.
Prints are $250/Half sheet $450/Sheet, we have two kinds of print to choose from. White on White is $350/Half sheet $650/sheet.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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Okay we are going to send out samples to redforeva, JesusTwice, mrgrey and jtemp as soon as you all pm us your gpg encrypted address. We have one sample left.
Thanks guys--
Foreverfamily
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I'll review a sample. Please PM me if you choose to send me one; my key is in my sig.
Well technically Drunk n High beat you to it, but well go ahead and send you both one.
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Bogus.
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If there are anymore samples I'll gladly give it a review. Currently on winter break so I have lots of spare time! Send me a PM if I qualify
Lame.. I beat everyone! Oh well beggars can't be choosers :/
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Right bolovide? LOL I was the first person before everyone I agree very lame indeed.
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I guess just because I sell/ or am trying to I don't qualify to sample what a joke lol.
I don't understand...how is that a joke? your his competitor by helping you hes not really going to get anything from it..so why should he put you down for a sample?
it's like a weed vendor sending out a sample to other weed vendors..kind of a waste of time?
Its not necessarily a waste of time, whether he is an lsd vendor or not he will still post an honest review. Altho i understand whats your saying, why send it to someone who already has it when he could send it to some who doesn't, but he should have told him that instead of ignoring his messages. Haha either way it doesnt really concern me, i just like to give my honest opinion :P
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Thanks family 8)
You guys are great communicators.
Will be back soon to leave a fantastic review.
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I guess just because I sell/ or am trying to I don't qualify to sample what a joke lol.
I don't understand...how is that a joke? your his competitor by helping you hes not really going to get anything from it..so why should he put you down for a sample?
it's like a weed vendor sending out a sample to other weed vendors..kind of a waste of time?
Its not necessarily a waste of time, whether he is an lsd vendor or not he will still post an honest review. Altho i understand whats your saying, why send it to someone who already has it when he could send it to some who doesn't, but he should have told him that instead of ignoring his messages. Haha either way it doesnt really concern me, i just like to give my honest opinion :P
I don't see it as a competitor really just willing to supply people with quality L as most people like to say there hits contain more than they do and so forth, if people didn't want to go to me and him instead than so be it. how is he getting anything from it either way? LOL .....it's not like I'm going to say his product is terrible I'd give a honest review and tell how his product was just like anyone else would. I understand but no not a waste of time just like Drpepper said. and yes he could have at least said I would rather not give a sample to you nothing against you just rather give other people samples instead of rudely ignoring me and not responding back like a jerk. just my 2 cents.
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I'll send PGP PM in a couple hours, It seems I can't do it from this computer undoubtedly.
Thanks Foreverfamily,
And to the community, you can be assured of a straight up review if its legit acid, and if it's not....... Then I'll call it like I see it, and that's all there is to it!
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Here's to hoping for a new wave of good vibes and good L :)
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I dont need a sample nor do I want to be involved in this scam in anyway. No one is selling sheets of acid for $450 to strangers when he could just ask for $650 and they would still sell. In fact its stupid to sell acid for this kind of price. Dont be a bunch of idiots guys.
Mitanox has a sheet listed for $478. I don't think I've read a single bad word about Mitanox.
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family first is a good guy he wouldnt rip anyone off.
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I dont need a sample nor do I want to be involved in this scam in anyway. No one is selling sheets of acid for $450 to strangers when he could just ask for $650 and they would still sell. In fact its stupid to sell acid for this kind of price. Dont be a bunch of idiots guys.
Mitanox has a sheet listed for $478. I don't think I've read a single bad word about Mitanox.
Mitanox $478 sheets are also rated at 80-100. Basically weak as fuck. This guy says his stuff is 120-130. 120-130 is much more valuable per hit than 80-100
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Wow. So we have another LSD scammer. Will it ever end.......
May we ask why you say this? We have stated numerous times full escrow will be used and samples will be sent before we even purchase a sellers account.
There have been a lot of scams that start out similar. Offering full escrow and sending out samples is a sign of good faith but so many people have been ripped off recently that it's hard to believe. The community would love nothing more than this to be 100% legit and allow love + respect to prevail. Best of luck, I look forward to the results.
Have any of these scams involved orders staying in full escrow? My recollection of the ones that I've witnessed is that they all involved out-of-escrow; people who stayed in escrow just got their orders canceled. Seems to me that if Foreverfamily is pulling a scam, then they are playing a real long shot: it's only going to work if people order, get sent bunk, but don't test the bunk before they finalize. People might do that with 10-strips but I don't see a lot of people doing it when hundreds of dollars are involved; they're going to want to verify their purchase asap after getting it, aren't they? And if they do then where is the scope for scamming?
Not a rhetorical question - trying to figure out if I've missed something. Not saying one way or another if FF is legit or not; just trying to figure out exactly where the scope for scamming would be...
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ahhh but you are missing the point that Mitanox is a LEGIT VENDOR who has been on SR for awhile now and is honest about what he is selling. oh but forget about that....it's not like there are any LSD scams on SR.
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Mitanox $478 sheets are also rated at 80-100. Basically weak as fuck. This guy says his stuff is 120-130. 120-130 is much more valuable per hit than 80-100
My bad, I thought this guy's were ~100 too.
I can't tell if you're making an argument for or against him though.
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Not saying they are not 120-130ug but unless you have sampled it yet any person can come on here and say they have 150-200ug hits so you can't really say mitanox's are shit and his are better ..
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Onlythebest and bolovide. We will send you a sample as well.
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Onlythebest and bolovide. We will send you a sample as well.
That would be very nice of you ForeverFamily! and will take as soon as it arrives and leave a review after I have tested. I'm sure you will have a lot of business with those prices especially if they are the stated ug. :) PM'd let's see how it turns out this time ;) :P
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Thank you for all the responses. Now we must wait for our bitcoins to come through so we can purchase our sellers account. We were quoted 3-5 days, but hopefully it is sooner.
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Very curious to see how this turns out. Do you have a large supply? I'd like to wait a few days for some reviews to come in... but if it's the real deal I'll be on it.
Kolom0nster
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4 sheets of WoW remaining. 6 sheets of print.
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Will you be selling fluff? I would like to lay my own blotter 8)
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Will you be selling fluff? I would like to lay my own blotter 8)
No, sorry.
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PM'd awaiting response. Let's see how this goes. Vendor account is a step in the right direction.
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What kind of crystal was used for the prints?
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I am going to buy some but if they are good I am not going to tell any of you guys until after I have purchased all of them :P
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For those of you who have reserved a sheet. We are still waiting on our bitcoins from our btc broker. We emailed them yesterday morning and have yet to hear back from them. This is very frustrating for us as we are ready to begin shipping immediately, but they are holding us up. If one of you would like to purchase us a vendors account, we will put up a custom order for a sheet at the price of $300 for you. $450/sheet price- $150 vendors account fee. That way we, and everybody else can get to business quicker and still remain in full escrow.
Thanks guys--
Foreverfamily
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Hey foreverfamily!
I hope you will turn out to be a legit and good addition to the acid team we have here on SR. Expect no trust in the beginning since we had our fair share of LSD scammers lately but if you are legit I for one will welcome you with open arms :)
To everyone buying please do the Ehrlich test/UV light test or ingest one before finalizing to make sure these tabs are legit and dont forget to add your experiences to the LSD Vendor sticky thread! Stay safe guys :)
Warm greetings,
Mitanox
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Hey foreverfamily!
I hope you will turn out to be a legit and good addition to the acid team we have here on SR. Expect no trust in the beginning since we had our fair share of LSD scammers lately but if you are legit I for one will welcome you with open arms :)
To everyone buying please do the Ehrlich test/UV light test or ingest one before finalizing to make sure these tabs are legit and dont forget to add your experiences to the LSD Vendor sticky thread! Stay safe guys :)
Warm greetings,
Mitanox
Yes, please sample before you finalize. We want everyone happy with their order.
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Hey ForeverFamily I'm interested in a sheet but I just wanted to sample one first before I make that leap. But I was wondering since you are waiting to get some btc is there anyway I could throw you a few to a wallet and get a sample also? I am at least going to pay for the sample, I just must try one before getting a sheet worth of it. I will be a returning customer on multiple occasion if it is quality lsd.
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Hey ForeverFamily I'm interested in a sheet but I just wanted to sample one first before I make that leap. But I was wondering since you are waiting to get some btc is there anyway I could throw you a few to a wallet and get a sample also? I am at least going to pay for the sample, I just must try one before getting a sheet worth of it. I will be a returning customer on multiple occasion if it is quality lsd.
No problem, pm us.
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PM'd awaiting response. Let's see how this goes. Vendor account is a step in the right direction.
Same.
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We now have a vendor account and listings are up. http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/128789 Get your orders in fast if you reserved.
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So any word on the crystal quality of these laid sheets? As far as I know American tabs fucking suck the legit ones are very hard to come by. Euro Cid seems more valuable, better reputationand def more potent for your buck if you research your vendors... I'd wait till a real sample review I don't care if your a legit dead family connect among the over five fuckin hundred ....
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So any word on the crystal quality of these laid sheets? As far as I know American tabs fucking suck the legit ones are very hard to come by. Euro Cid seems more valuable, better reputationand def more potent for your buck if you research your vendors... I'd wait till a real sample review I don't care if your a legit dead family connect among the over five fuckin hundred ....
Competitor? We've already stated we are sending out samples and that it is white fluff.
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No I'm not your competition, I was throwing out logic and reasoning. Even if you are legitimate family line, your crystal quality IF it is even legit does not compare to the white that is created with our NL/EU/Germany laid that is already avail here. I think I'd be pretty fuckin pissed to find your WoW blotters the same or half the str of mitanox's shivas.
Well, we can see you no nothing about what you are speaking of. Therefore we are not going to waste the time arguing. Please return to the thread once everybody has received their samples.
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SCAM
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I'm finding the level of hysteria being directed at Familyforever very hard to understand. @Holly - one minute you are saying this is a scam - the next minute you are saying that even if this is legit then family fluff is not as good as European crystal.
I have to say your argument at least has the merit of originality - it's common for US acidheads to diss European crystal but I've never heard anyone claim that GDF crystal was inferior!
I'm afraid you are a little misinformed on the latter point. The Cartoon Shivas currently being offered by Mitanox are good reliable blotters but they are not laid from white crystal like his other batch of non-cartoon shivas were. Those and Ganeshas and Hoffmans and Krishnas (I think - I could be wrong about the Krishnas) are all laid from silver. Even the non-cartoon Shivas aren't laid with Swiss: they're laid with white fluff made according to exactly the same synthesis as GDF fluff!
The only vendor right now offering prints from any of the European prints that are known to be laid with white crystal is Davidd with Freddy's Cat blotters - and he is charging $20.00 / hit...
I actually agree that Swiss crystal is the best, but only Davidd is offering that right now. It would be great if an SR vendor could get in some of the prints made from Swiss like Mayan Calendars, St Alberts, etc. and sell them at reasonable prices (or how about some more of the non-cartoon Shivas, Mitanox :)!). But that isn't what's on offer right now.
And to say that GDF fluff is no good is absurd - this is the same damn crystal that Owsley was making.
Of course it's not definitely true that Foreverfamily is shipping famly fluff. Yes we have been burdened with scams here. But can someone tell me the last time a scammer actually told customers not to finalize until after they had sampled? I'm not saying this proves it's legit - but if it isn't then it is at least a bold and new kind of scam!
Someone asked earlier in the thread why people thought this was a scam when customers were being encouraged by the vendor to stay in escrow - I note that nobody has yet answered that question.
I have an order with Foreverfamily in full escrow. I also have half a sheet of bona fide guaranteed GDF WoW from fluff in my freezer. I'm going to follow FF's advice and sample before finalizing and if it isn't family fluff then I will know about it and so will everybody else - I'll even send out samples of my WoW to compare if that's what it takes.
So I don't think we need to worry - as long as people stay in escrow there is no danger of getting scammed and no need for hysterics.
Personally I feel like the whole thing does seem too good to be true - but I thought that the last time I bought GDF perfed needlepoint for 355 / sheet; and that was less than a year ago, so I know it can happen.
We'll see. But for now let's all just stay calm. Mitanox has struck exactly the right tone. Keep an open mind - take nothing on trust - stay calm - let's trust to the escrow system and the expertise of some of us who will be either receiving samples or testing before finalizing.
I have no idea whether this is going to turn out to be true or now - but I want to echo Mitanox's call for us to stay calm and protect ourselves while also welcoming the possibility that this is real.
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very well said...can't wait to here some positive feedback coming in. Gotta love escrow and LSD :-)
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I'm finding the level of hysteria being directed at Familyforever very hard to understand. @Holly - one minute you are saying this is a scam - the next minute you are saying that even if this is legit then family fluff is not as good as European crystal.
I have to say your argument at least has the merit of originality - it's common for US acidheads to diss European crystal but I've never heard anyone claim that GDF crystal was inferior!
I'm afraid you are a little misinformed on the latter point. The Cartoon Shivas currently being offered by Mitanox are good reliable blotters but they are not laid from white crystal like his other batch of non-cartoon shivas were. Those and Ganeshas and Hoffmans and Krishnas (I think - I could be wrong about the Krishnas) are all laid from silver. Even the non-cartoon Shivas aren't laid with Swiss: they're laid with white fluff made according to exactly the same synthesis as GDF fluff!
The only vendor right now offering prints from any of the European prints that are known to be laid with white crystal is Davidd with Freddy's Cat blotters - and he is charging $20.00 / hit...
I actually agree that Swiss crystal is the best, but only Davidd is offering that right now. It would be great if an SR vendor could get in some of the prints made from Swiss like Mayan Calendars, St Alberts, etc. and sell them at reasonable prices (or how about some more of the non-cartoon Shivas, Mitanox :)!). But that isn't what's on offer right now.
And to say that GDF fluff is no good is absurd - this is the same damn crystal that Owsley was making.
Of course it's not definitely true that Foreverfamily is shipping famly fluff. Yes we have been burdened with scams here. But can someone tell me the last time a scammer actually told customers not to finalize until after they had sampled? I'm not saying this proves it's legit - but if it isn't then it is at least a bold and new kind of scam!
Someone asked earlier in the thread why people thought this was a scam when customers were being encouraged by the vendor to stay in escrow - I note that nobody has yet answered that question.
I have an order with Foreverfamily in full escrow. I also have half a sheet of bona fide guaranteed GDF WoW from fluff in my freezer. I'm going to follow FF's advice and sample before finalizing and if it isn't family fluff then I will know about it and so will everybody else - I'll even send out samples of my WoW to compare if that's what it takes.
So I don't think we need to worry - as long as people stay in escrow there is no danger of getting scammed and no need for hysterics.
Personally I feel like the whole thing does seem too good to be true - but I thought that the last time I bought GDF perfed needlepoint for 355 / sheet; and that was less than a year ago, so I know it can happen.
We'll see. But for now let's all just stay calm. Mitanox has struck exactly the right tone. Keep an open mind - take nothing on trust - stay calm - let's trust to the escrow system and the expertise of some of us who will be either receiving samples or testing before finalizing.
I have no idea whether this is going to turn out to be true or now - but I want to echo Mitanox's call for us to stay calm and protect ourselves while also welcoming the possibility that this is real.
Thank you for that. Holly we simply responded to you in that manner because it takes a god awful long time for us old farts to type long messages like these. And for us to begin to rant and ramble about he said/she said/ my lucys better than your lucy, it would just take all day. Sorry for not responding in a more appropriate manner. Sometimes we come off as dicks online. We promise we will work on our tone/attitude toward responding to messages in the future.
Thank you--
Familyforever
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Was PM'd and suppose to receive a sample. Thanks ForeverFamily, will update when sample arrives.
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My apologies foreverfamily, Ive seen too many imposters on the web and f2f. I should be keeping an open mind still. Good karma everyone. Put up a review as soon as you can. (:
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Right? Fuck these USA fake family's, they think they know EVERYTHING. The love of spreading real magic Lucy would not attract the scumbag persona I'm sensing from you that usually comes from LSD SCAMS. You think there's no such thing? I feel there's no greater douchebaggery than taking advantage of the love n light that real Lucy truly inspires.
Foreverfamily I do not sense you come from true love and light so FUCK OFF till we get sample reviews.
Whoah, whoah, whoah. I have no opinion one way or the other if this is a scam yet. I do know, however, that to talk trash, like you have in this thread shows YOU don't have any love or enlightenment in your life. Maybe you should drop some LSD and think about that? EDIT: I see you must have. Apologies as I didn't see your apology. I still stand by the below for others though.
LSD is a real treat, why do so many here have to be assholes to every new LSD vendor, expecting them to be nice to you after they've proven themselves?
If they demand out of escrow, just don't order. It's as simple as that. If it's in escrow, either take the plunge on a small order to test, or wait for others to do so. There's no reason for being asshats, right out of the gate. Personally, if I was a vendor I would blacklist asshat accounts, and only sell small amounts to buyers with fewer than 15 orders.
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Have yet to receive my PM. I sent an encrypted message to test the communication of the vendor with small talk, asking how I should format my address giving an example with a fake address, etc. Hopefully it doesn't throw FF off. To those who are samplers did y'all send your home address right off the bat? Just thought I should be thorough on the whole transaction process.
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I sent my "safe Address", I never use a home address, or any address that could even be tied to me whatsoever!...........Anonymity my friends, be smart here!
But I haven't received a reply from FF stating the sample was in transit yet.
I'm definitely ready to sample, because this sure sounds like a good deal if it's legit!
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Im beyon pissed off. I just read this in a listing of FamilyForever.
Clearing house. This listing is for 1 Full sheet family fluff print.
International buyers/New buyers contact us before ordering. We will make two custom listings for you, both for half of the price of your order. You will purchase both and finalize early on one. This will allow us to remain in escrow for P percent of the order and also protect us from scammers.
Thank you--
Familyforever
New buyers finalizing early for half eh? So I guess the whole "I will stay in escrow" was just a smokescreen and you are now luring new inexperienced buyers into handing their money over while you are actually the one which has to prove himself? I had really high hopes for you but this kindof crashes them all. I hope my thoughts are wrong...
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Im beyon pissed off. I just read this in a listing of FamilyForever.
Clearing house. This listing is for 1 Full sheet family fluff print.
International buyers/New buyers contact us before ordering. We will make two custom listings for you, both for half of the price of your order. You will purchase both and finalize early on one. This will allow us to remain in escrow for P percent of the order and also protect us from scammers.
Thank you--
Familyforever
New buyers finalizing early for half eh? So I guess the whole "I will stay in escrow" was just a smokescreen and you are now luring new inexperienced buyers into handing their money over while you are actually the one which has to prove himself? I had really high hopes for you but this kindof crashes them all. I hope my thoughts are wrong...
I saw this too and was also quite pissed off seeing how vehemently he was defending his "in-escrow only" policy. Could easily just be another scam and end up tying up a bunch of honest people's money in escrow while new buyers get fucked up the ass.
We will wait and see, I advise NO ONE even think about doing OOE. Even if it is only half, don't give him a fucking penny until older buyers purchase and start receiving sheets. Even then, I still wouldn't. Too many vendors going rogue now a days, it's hard to believe anyone asking for OOE now.
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Sigh - it's not ideal is it? Would strongly advise new or international buyers just to give this a miss for now.
We have to accept that given the history, ANY such new vendor is probably a scammer until proven otherwise.
I hope it isn't - and I will keep trying every new vendor that comes along offering quality acid at reasonable prices in escrow - but it's very clear that nobody should be going out of escrow at all really.
Somebody should probably start a warning thread about this in Rumor Mill just to protect vulnerable newbs. I'm not gonna do it though - I tried it over Amsterdam24 and he still got 60 damn orders in a week...
And just to be clear - I'm still placing my order with FF and stand by what I've said - and I can see that the OOE policy being discussed here could appear to a new vendor like a perfectly reasonable compromise.
But basically Mitanox is right - and I think the upshot is that new L vendors should be offering at least 10-strips in escrow to anybody. The risk of losing a couple of 10-strips to scammers is nothing compared to the profits that vendors can make on here...
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i'm know I don't have a really high rep here, but I have ordered many times from Mitanox with no issue. However I am very interested in finding a domestic dealer so I am placing an order with FF entirely through escrow. I will leave reviews when I get it and try it.
To Mitanox, you'll always be my favorite vendor and those albert hoffmanns where insane! I can only hope that FF will provide the same professional service as you.
Cheers
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I would love a sample if possible, I have been waiting and waiting for a good LSD vendor, hopefully the wait has come to an end!!
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I would love a sample if possible, I have been waiting and waiting for a good LSD vendor, hopefully the wait has come to an end!!
Go to Mitanox if you don't mind going international (I assume you're US). He's very reliable, I'm only go to a new vendor because I need to cool down on the international orders... Don't want to start raising suspicion... Hopefully FF is legit, but even if he is I don't expect him to be here long as he said he is "clearing out the house".
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Under promise and over deliver, oh yeah, sounds good to me!
Foreverfamily,
The reason so many people are questioning the dosage, is because most of the LSD vendors, on SR with the exception of a few, over freakin promise, something like: 170-190ug Blotters(actually 50-60ug), and everyone reviews it with raving reviews....Like this..."I took 3 hits and tripped balls" ...... My God Man! 3 hits of 180ug acid should put you in another freaking world, and this is half of whats wrong with this forum.....If you are asked to give a review, then call a spade, a spade, if you had to take 2 hits to feel the acid, and it was freakin advertised at 170-190ug, then you were ripped off, but if you wanna praise up that kind of crap, then by all means, keep getting screwed, but do the community the justice of calling it like it is, so we can choose in what manner we give our money away, cause all we can do is take your word for it.
The Buyers have the power to say, "We don't want your weak acid, and if it is weak, and it takes 2 hits to get me there, then vendors should just say so, and sell it for half price, cause it's crap acid, and if you advertised as 170-190ug acid, then you either didn't realize it, or your a scammer!!!"
The kind of reviews I want to see about foreverfamily's acid goes a little something like this........"I took 1 hit and felt full on acid effects within the first 30-45mins, this was freaking amazing acid, 1 hit will take you there, maybe not a spiritual awakening, but definitely good acid, 2 hits may be scary!!..... Thanks foreverfamily!"
Now that would be like 120-130ug acid, if it aint as good, I might still get some, but he's gotta sell it cheaper!
Quit giving your money away, you keep paying above average prices for below average acid, that's what you'll continue to get.
That's just my opinion,
you nailed it Bro! thanks for saying what i been thinking. me thinks most lot doses back in the 90's were in the 40-70 range. puddles is a different story though
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Has anyone received their samples yet? I am still debating whether I should purchase from him or not.
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I think the word is stay away from any new vendor not doing 100% escrow. These LSD scammers show up weekly it seems. What qualifies for them as a "new Buyer"??? Shit anybody that orders from them is a new buyer right. The sad thing is there are LEGIT vendors selling LSD now....someone new comes in with another greatest story ever told and it happens again. Stay with the top rated Vendors and never EVER go out of escrow even 1/2 for a brand new vendor. FUck that.
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I agree with Jackstraw, I never go out of escrow, but I don't usually make small purchases either, I have this choice, and the vendor has the choice not to deal with me.......But I promise you this much, the wait doesn't seem to be nearly as long while you're waiting for an in escrow order to arrive.....Or Not!.......Sure eases my mind anyway!
And no to the person who asked, I haven't heard back from Foreverfamily for what seems to be a few days now. But the way he is selling his products on SR, sure isn't the way he described doing it back when he first started this thread!!! And this is something I find very confusing to say the least!
The last I checked, FF didn't even have a picture of his products up with his listings on SR, so he's actually selling LSD nobody's ever seen nor tried yet, and making people purchase half in, and half out of escrow!
The fact that he would not be requiring folks to release their funds until after they had received their order, and tried it to confirm it was legit, then release the funds!!!.............This was the only thing he had going for his legitimacy in my opinion!
Are people actually buying in this manner (I can't get SR to open tonight)?.............. Who would purchase under these conditions, especially when we do have legit vendors, with proven reps.......with good acid for sale on SR!.........
Listen People, Just How Anxious To Buy Reasonably Priced Acid Are You?? The Testers Have Not Even Received The Promised Test Hits Yet, Nor Validated This Vendors Legitimacy Yet, Nor Has Anyone Came Out And Vouched For This Vendor Legitimacy At All, He Hasn't Even Produced A Picture Of The LSD He Supposedly Has In His Possession Yet!
Come On People Be Smart! Let FF Come Through With The Test Hits First, Then Wait For The Test Reports......There Is A Process To Getting A Rep, If You Give Big Money To Vendors With No Rep, You Stand To Lose Big Money!!!................
But We're All Grown Folks Here Ain't We?
Spend It How You Want To!!!
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You all need to relax. This is the first time in 2 days we have been able to access the forums. We have no idea why.
And what are you all freaking out about. We are not asking all first time buyers from us to finalize early on half. We only asked that of people who have no purchase history at all on SR as we thought that was the common tactic around here to protect against scammers. We can easily look up 15 other vendors requesting exactly the same thing.
You people are unbelievable, we don't answer a couple pm's(amongst the 30-40 pms we received demanding samples) because we couldn't access the forums and you all go psycho. And to the guy who requested a sample and sent us a fake address? What were you thinking? Don't be surprised if you don't receive one now. We do not have the time to respond politely to EVERY SINGLE pm we receive. This website is not our lives. We have other customers to tend to IRL.
And to the guy screaming he has no idea why people are placing out of escrow orders from us. We have 4 orders open currently. And guess what. They are all fully in escrow. WE HAD A BUYER OFFER TO GO COMPLETELY OUT OF ESCROW TO AVOID SR FEES AND WE DENIED THEIR REQUEST AND ASKED THEM TO REMAIN IN ESCROW. Please explain to us how this makes any sense whatsoever. And to the guy who suggested the buyer blacklist. It has already been started. Any of you who made rude/disrespectful/unwarranted remarks. Do not expect to ever place an order with us. It will not happen.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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Yeah, I'm not sure why everybody's being so quick to tar and feather foreverfamily. To my recollection, none of the LSD scams in the past have involved going through escrow. What possible vector for a scam is there, aside from doing something like sending DO(x) and hoping people finalize before testing it? And who's going to do that for whole sheets as opposed to something like a five strip?
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hahaha! great reply familyforever!!
much trust ; D
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This was taken from davidds page
-ALL International orders must release funds early. Please remember that Canada is a different country than the USA, and thus, considered "International". I do this because there is no way for me to track a package once it leaves the USA. If you are not okay with this, then please do not order.
-ALL orders from customers new to the site (zero purchases) must release funds early. If you are not okay with this, then please do not order.
This was taken from juergen2001's page
WE WILL NOT REFUND NEW MEMBERS!! FOR FIRST-TIME-COSTUMERS WE ASK TO PAY IN ADVANCE!! NO EXCEPTIONS!!
Please release escrow right away. It'll make it much easier to deal with my bitcoins.
(Especially in case of oversea orders) I would really appreciate if you would do me that
favor.
Taken from Ivory's page
I will ask as a favour to release escrow early if you are international/EU/Scan or sometimes a new buyer.
This taken from aakovens page
MAIL ME; ..
Bitcoin must be immediately finalized , BEFORE I send you the product. . !!!!!!
From moveitnice's page
Once the payment is sent, I usually ship the same day (if it is early enough) or the next day.
And from Dopeboys page
INTERNATIONAL ORDERS MUST FINALIZE EARLY BEFORE I SHIP, AND ACCEPT FULL FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY IF THE PACKAGE IS SEIZED OR LOST.
So again, we do not see what the problem is.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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How about we just do this then.
No first time buyers and no international orders. Period.
There you go guys.
--Familyforever
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And why did we catch so much heat, but sellers like this just slip right under the radar?
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/119431
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Foreverfamily you have to understand the history of LSD scammers that have shown up on here.....any goodwill and trust for a new LSD vendor is unfortunately gone. That sucks for the new vendors that come later....legit or not. If you change your page to make it clear that buyers with no history or poor stats are different than people with good stats would be a good start. Also would love to see some pics. If you are a legit vendor I wish you well and welcome to the road. The more legit lsd vendors the better imo.
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We fixed the wording a little while ago. So hopefully people understand what we were trying to say.
How safe is uploading pictures on here? We've heard so much with geotagging and things like that, that we've been hesitant to take any pictures..
Thank you--
Familyforever
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We fixed the wording a little while ago. So hopefully people understand what we were trying to say.
How safe is uploading pictures on here? We've heard so much with geotagging and things like that, that we've been hesitant to take any pictures..
Thank you--
Familyforever
Yes pictures do contain exif data but you can remove it. Here is how:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=142.0
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pics can be put up safely. Other vendors do it.....can someone explain how to him. Sorry I don't know exactly how it's done. Don't let the negativity and disbelief put you off.....you just have to get a reputation. If you really are the "family guy" that you claim to be then you will do well on here and all this aggravation will have been worth it. It just takes some genuine positive feedback and you will be slammed.....in a good way instead of the way you are being slammed now. :-)
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Thanks for the info charlie and jack. We will see if we can figure out how to do all of that now.
Thank you--
Familyforever
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Same Scam different username. I mean it's worked multiple times and people still send them money. Why would they stop now?
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Same Scam different username. I mean it's worked multiple times and people still send them money. Why would they stop now?
Care to elaborate?
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Just because you guys stress us out so much, doublin up tonight.
http://4eiruntyxxbgfv7o.onion/imgzapr/upload/IMAG0042.jpg
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The current situation does create an almost impossible situation for new vendors.
Let me say first that I am in no way committing myself to the view that FF is for real. I've placed an order in escrow and I've tried to be supportive just because I know that it is indeed true that family acid is out there and available for these kind of prices (and better) and so I think it's only a matter of time before somebody shows up here and starts offering it for real. But anybody who knows the history of LSD scams on here is going to be going into a situation like this one with the default assumption that this is a scam. I'm perfectly happy to place quite a large order because history also shows that these scams get exposed within a matter of a couple of weeks and people who stay in escrow get all their money back. I've made sure I have enough time free next week to test as soon as it comes. That doesn't mean I'm actually counting on it ever showing up.
But nonetheless - one really has to acknowledge that the fear of being scammed themselves is a real one for new vendors. It's all very well to say that new vendors must earn the right to demand OOE; but you could just as well say that any new vendor with half a brain is going to look at the policy of other vendors and see that many reputable vendors demand OOE for unknown buyers and transatlantic orders. I can think of at least very reputable vendor (hashuk) who has changed his policy from all-escrow, strongly advising all new buyers against ever going out of escrow with anyone, to insisting on early finalization for new buyers.
It's true that there are a few highly-reputable vendors (Tetravort, Mitanox, etc) who offer full esccrow to all at all times and of course this is highly laudable. But I think you also have to recognize that a vendor like this is so well-established, with so m any daily orders and a sufficiently well-established customer base, that they can afford to take the hit from a few scams. It's not surprising if new vendors feel otherwise.
But none of this changes the reality of the level of scamming we have seen, especially over LSD. The strategy is always basically the same - just ignore the in-escrow orders with established buyers, try to generate a lot of orders from newbs and internationals, then split as soon as somebody who should have received something starts yelling that they haven't.
I don't see a good way out of this except to say that sadly it is probably true that a new LSD vendor should simply not be selling to newbs or internationals (well to newbs anyway - I have to say that demanding OOE for international orders which will only take a couple of days longer than domestic ones seems a bit silly to me...sending blotters through the mail international really carries very little risk). This sucks for the newbs and for the vendors but sadly that may be the price to be paid for the past duplicity of so many bastard scammers.
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How about we just do this then.
No first time buyers and no international orders. Period.
There you go guys.
--Familyforever
Yet your page still says this:
International buyers/New buyers contact us before ordering. We will make two custom listings for you, both for half of the price of your order. You will purchase both and finalize early on one.
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We completely understand. We will remove the request right now. Do you all feel it is okay to still request it for international buyers? We are shipping lettermail so it could take up to two weeks sometimes and that is awhile for funds to just be sitting in escrow. If you do not feel this is reasonable we will remove that also. We are trying to protect ourselves from scammers just as you are.
Thank you--
Familyforever
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In terms of international - maybe it depends where it's going. I have to say that outside of holiday times (which are now over), it just doesn't take more than 5 working days for lettermail to travel between the US and Western Europe, in my experience. Obviously they USPS have to say it might, but in practice I've never had a letter take longer than that under normal circumstances. If you can wait a week then you have no problem.
I have to say that I think a lot of US vendors on here are way too sketchy about sending international in escrow.If you're sending a letter and your product is vacuum sealed - or in the case of paper blotters it doesn't even have to be - then you really have nothing to worry about. Okay you might get incredibly unlucky and have some money in escrow for a couple of weeks (but even then if it's hedged - who cares?), but 9 time out of 10 you're talking about a couple of days difference between sending to W. Europe and sending within the US. Surely it's notable that the no 1 vendor on the whole site (Tetravort) and all the top acid vendors on the site just have no problem sending transatlantic in escrow.
I don't know about other parts of the world...
It would be great to see you completely eschewing OOE ordering, FF. Many of us are waiting with baited breath to see how your orders with known forum-posters work out. It would be great to see you follow the Mitanox example - I can see that he's kind of been on your case, but his approach is in the best tradition of karma-loving universe-trusting psychedelic trading and it surely seems to have paid off for him, as well as his customers.
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Mintanox is only looking out for us, that you have to understand. Money we lose here, is money we could have spent on his reliable service and REAL product.
I'll keep watching this, and if things turn out well, you will not only have my business but the business of many other SR'es who are just wanting cheap domestic LSD.
Just to repeat what everyone else has already said, just trash all OOE right now. Chill and wait for the positive feedback to start rolling in. Once you get 30-50 transactions under your belt, maybe you could ask for early finalization of new customers(0 transactions), those who have high refund rates, or ridiculous destinations.
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I placed an order in escrow with FF, I really want this to be real so I don't have to worry as much about ordering from NL. The reason I'm willing to give him a shot is because he's domestic and I love having great domestic dealers here. Definitely let everyone know how it turns out
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And to the guy who requested a sample and sent us a fake address? What were you thinking? Don't be surprised if you don't receive one now. We do not have the time to respond politely to EVERY SINGLE pm we receive. This website is not our lives. We have other customers to tend to IRL.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
I was just testing the promptness of your communication, and to see if there was any communication at all. After all you ARE a new vendor. I made it really clear that that was not my real address, so please do not try to pass it off like I was trying to deceive you. I understand you have real life issues to tend to and that you may be bombarded with private messages, but I'm sure every top rated vendor can agree that custom service/communication is crucial for success. And to put it quite frankly yours was non-existent. I would be quite worried if I had money on the line as your customers IRL seem to have top priority. As for the samples, it probably works out that I do not receive one. I'd much rather be a spectator to this whole ordeal than a participant. After all your samples of 5 turned into samples of 10 to anyone who asked. So I do not feel special 8)
Best of luck with your vending.
-Bolo~
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I just put in an order for 10 WoWs. I'm a first time buyer but FF let me remain in escrow, so props to them. Don't know why you would automatically label them a scam if they don't even have anyone's money yet.
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I just put in an order for 10 WoWs. I'm a first time buyer but FF let me remain in escrow, so props to them. Don't know why you would automatically label them a scam if they don't even have anyone's money yet.
Prevention is better then cure.
The members of this forum are battle-hardened when it comes to dealing with scam sellers and in particular ones that "deal" with LSD, unfortunately such people have ruined it for everyone and the idea is to spot patterns/mistakes in the wordings of their "sales pitches" to try and have a indicator if we will truly have a new seller or just another scammer.
unfortunately the rule to go by is "guilty until proven innocent"..that way you don't waste your hard earned $/£/BTC's...
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I just put in an order for 10 WoWs. I'm a first time buyer but FF let me remain in escrow, so props to them. Don't know why you would automatically label them a scam if they don't even have anyone's money yet.
The reason people are being cautious is because he's been making people do orders outside of escrow, and he's a brand new seller.
Also, LSD scams seem to be the most frequent drug scam on SR.
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i hope that he isnt a scam, the las t thing this board needs is another lsd scammer. its bad fucking karma. of all the substances to scam on why do they make it the sacrament.
but as of 4 hours ago there was a new finalization of half up front and half in escrow, which is strictly against the rules. and your own vendor nfo still states you are requiring early finalization.
are you just bullshitting us on the forums cuz you know that 50% of the people that goto SR dont goto the forums so you can sit here and say, "im taking down that part" and "im only going in escrow now" yet 4 hours ago you took an order that required 50 of the cash upfront. WTF dude why are you lying to everyone?
Honestly though, if you do that and get screwed it's kindof your own fault. It's also for like 7 bitcoins. Idk how much it costs to get a seller account, but it's probably not worth it to scam for the 7 bitcoins FF got.
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Mrgrey, what is your deal. We forgot to remove it from our profile. We are new here aren't familiar with everything yet. We thought we had removed it from everything. And we have turned down 3 out of escrow orders today and asked them all to remain in escrow as you all requested on the forums. Why do you keep attacking us in this manner? We have complied with all of your requests and you still hassle us like this? We are trying to get off to a good start and a thread, where every three posts you are calling us a scammer and a liar, does not help our reputation at all.
We would like to settle this peacefully and continue business. We will remove the request from our profile immediately.
Thank you--
Familyforever
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haters gonna hate, business will speak for itself, let the love shine through.
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Unfortunately FamilyForever.....any goodwill and faith in a new LSD vendor has been pretty much TOTALLY DESTROYED by all the previous LSD scams that have happened before your arrival. People here are pissed off that it keeps happening. Just get your shit together....stay in escrow, post those pics and wait for that positive feedback to happen. It won't take long before you shine on or......
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We went and took a look at the "GummieStars" thread and we see now why you are all so apprehensive. People like that give this amazing thing such a bad name. It's sad. We are excited to spread our product and make return customers of you all! We are still deciding whether we will restock or not. If we do, would you all prefer vials? We could do custom orders, pay/per hit. Or if you would really like, I suppose we could give some sort of candies a shot? Seems like they would have been a hot commodity if they had turned out legit.
Thank you--
Familyforever
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Personally, I'd be interested in blotters and candy, if those worked out well I'd be interested in vials of liquid eventually. Assuming you are a legit vendor if you had a lower price than other vendors you would probably get alot of interest.
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Prove em wrong FF, so many scammers lately but if you prove everyone wrong you will be praised here and make large profits! Best of luck! :D
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How about chocolate covered vanilla wafers? The wafers should retain the drops properly and the chocolate coating will protect them. Sound good?
--Familyforever
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Just stick with the blotter IMO. Sorry if I missed it earlier, but how many ug is on your blotters? Thanks again!
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Vials are great in themselves but they are useless for international customers (and for sending to friends overseas) - sending liquid of any kind out of the US is practically impossible these days.
Trust me - what everyone wants is well-laid sheets, 100ug/hit at a reasonable price with a good price-break for sheets. Those who care about stealth will want unperfed WoW - those who care about convenience will like perfed prints.
There's really not much reason to prefer vials or candy. People just went for the gummystars story because it seemed plausible that this guy had a vial and was shipping out drops on candy.. Some people prefer vials because the liquid hit can come on a little quicker than heavy-card EUropean blotters, but with thinner US blotters or WoW I don't think there's any difference.
Please don't ignore the international market if you're really going to be shipping out self-laid family acid. I know plenty of people in Europe who are always glad to get it not because the European acid is bad, but because it is pretty much never accurately dosed, and getting real classic 100ug doses direct from the person who laid them just makes things so much more convenient.
Oh and props for the new escrow policy. I can't quite believe it. I can't yet let myself believe that this is for real...but if it isn't then I must admit that I'm failing to see that angle...
So accepting for the sake of argument that this is real - have any samples or orders actually shipped yet?
And props for the escrow policy. I can't quite believe it. I can't quite let myself believe that this if for real yet. Although if it isn't...I'm scratching my head to figure out the angle.
So accepting for the sake of argument that it is - have any samples or orders actually been shipped yet?
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Im going to classify this as a scam. FF is still asking for people to finalize early on SR. He probably knows that more then half of the buyers wont read the forums and will capitalize on that.
If anyone wants _REAL_ acid then I suggest them to read the LSD vendor sticky thread in the Rumor Mill.
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Im going to classify this as a scam. FF is still asking for people to finalize early on SR. He probably knows that more then half of the buyers wont read the forums and will capitalize on that.
If anyone wants _REAL_ acid then I suggest them to read the LSD vendor sticky thread in the Rumor Mill.
I guess that would be the angle. But the message on SR asking for early finalization is gone. Mitanox do you actually have reports from individuals who have been asked to finalize early?
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Im going to classify this as a scam. FF is still asking for people to finalize early on SR. He probably knows that more then half of the buyers wont read the forums and will capitalize on that.
If anyone wants _REAL_ acid then I suggest them to read the LSD vendor sticky thread in the Rumor Mill.
The thread that you created... and you run...? And please show us any evidence of us still asking anybody to finalize early? Actually. If you can present the evidence to support your claim right now, we will quit immediately and you will have complete control over the lsd market, as it seems you are so worried to lose it that you have to resort to tactics like this...
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Im going to classify this as a scam. FF is still asking for people to finalize early on SR. He probably knows that more then half of the buyers wont read the forums and will capitalize on that.
If anyone wants _REAL_ acid then I suggest them to read the LSD vendor sticky thread in the Rumor Mill.
I guess that would be the angle. But the message on SR asking for early finalization is gone. Mitanox do you actually have reports from individuals who have been asked to finalize early?
I just took this screenshot: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=77f4e38f3f310070d1371b27bed364d5.jpg so its not gone. Also I see alot of new custom orders which are for the same customer and are worth 50$ each. I guess thats what he was talking about with the whole stay in escrow 50% and prefinalize 50%.
Anyways, I have made my point.
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Im going to classify this as a scam. FF is still asking for people to finalize early on SR. He probably knows that more then half of the buyers wont read the forums and will capitalize on that.
If anyone wants _REAL_ acid then I suggest them to read the LSD vendor sticky thread in the Rumor Mill.
The thread that you created... and you run...? And please show us any evidence of us still asking anybody to finalize early? Actually. If you can present the evidence to support your claim right now, we will quit immediately and you will have complete control over the lsd market, as it seems you are so worried to lose it that you have to resort to tactics like this...
Oh yes! You got me! Daaammnnnn man! I guess thats why I vouch for freedomepeople (a Dutch acid seller), StreetPharmacy (who ships from germany, so thats saver then ordering from me) and several other people. Youre totally right! Forgive me for being so inconsiderate.
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Ummm...I hate to interrupt but...
it seems that the message about early finalization has been removed from the main page for this vendor, but not from the separate page for each product.
Presumably if it gets removed from the product pages this will go further towards satisfying skeptics.
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Im going to classify this as a scam. FF is still asking for people to finalize early on SR. He probably knows that more then half of the buyers wont read the forums and will capitalize on that.
If anyone wants _REAL_ acid then I suggest them to read the LSD vendor sticky thread in the Rumor Mill.
I guess that would be the angle. But the message on SR asking for early finalization is gone. Mitanox do you actually have reports from individuals who have been asked to finalize early?
Also I see alot of new custom orders which are for the same customer and are worth 50$ each. I guess thats what he was talking about with the whole stay in escrow 50% and prefinalize 50%.
Anyways, I have made my point.
Lol! Where is this!? Please show us? There are two custom orders open. One for an international buyer who finalized for half before we changed our policy(2 days ago) And the other custom listing is completely in escrow, exactly as the person WHO PURCHASED IT STATED. Gettin high on your own supply? Whats goin on over there Mitanox. People like to see facts presented with claims... and as of now, you're lookin like pretty easy pickens once our product gets out 8). So, as we have stated numerous times. WE ARE ACCEPTING NO ORDERS OUT OF ESCROW. AND WE ARE NOT REQUIRING THAT ANYBODY FINALIZES EARLY. This is the last time we will address this Mitanox, try to keep up. So now we are just going to sit back and let the product do the work. Don't quit your day job dude, expect a drastic hit in sales. ;D
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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Ummm...I hate to interrupt but...
it seems that the message about early finalization has been removed from the main page for this vendor, but not from the separate page for each product.
Presumably if it gets removed from the product pages this will go further towards satisfying skeptics.
It definitely is not...?
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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LOL!!!! Posting under a different name accidently ForeverFamily? Nice to see you quickly deleted it and used your own username again :)
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=b5aac0e982d14fdb86ddd8e651fbffe2.jpg
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LOL!!!! Posting under a different name accidently ForeverFamily? Nice to see you quickly deleted it and used your own username again :)
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=b5aac0e982d14fdb86ddd8e651fbffe2.jpg
Nope, spaced on the password for our account and was not about to sit out and let you slander our thread while we couldn't respond. Lucky for you we keep all our passwords stored on usb in case a situation ever like this ever came up. 8)
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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Woah!
Go to http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/17125
Either FF has changed the screen in the past few minutes, or Mitanox's screenshot was old.
Either way - the listing does not now look like it does in Mitanox's screenshot.
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Woah!
Go to http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/17125
Either FF has changed the screen in the past few minutes, or Mitanox's screenshot was old.
Either way - the listing does not now look like it does in Mitanox's screenshot.
Old screenshot.
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You can look at the timestamp on the screenshot and then see that FF changed his listing afterwards. The information is there any everyone can decide for themselves. Go ahead and order from FF, stay in escrow and make your own judgement. Im not trying to steal any business of anyone, my record here on the site proves that. Fact is that FF has been showing some very flakey behaviour, very similar to past scammers capitalizing on the large LSD market and new buyers on SR.
In a few weeks we will have a final conclusion on this matter I guess. For now im done with this shit.
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Lol my senses were right. COME AT ME BRO
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Anyone else think there's something weird about the times when FF logs in? They seem to be here all the time except for a definite 7/8 hour window around 16:00-1:00 GMT. This wouldn't map onto anything like a normal sleep pattern in any part of the US - more like W. Australia or Honk Kong.
Doesn't mean anything - there's a dozen plausible legit explanations. Still if they turn out to be Chinese or Ozzie scammers, then you heard it here first! ;)
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mitanox is the shit ;D
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This foreverfamily guy is a complete idiot.
In another thread, Mitanox called out this idiot on requiring early finalization on January 6th:
I advice everyone EXTREME CAUTION when ordering from FamilyForever, a new LSD vendor. He is requiring new and international buyers to finalize early despite his promises in the forums to not do so.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/128789
Then, 2 days later, on January 8th, foreverfamily posts this:
We have removed all of our requests for any sort of OOE purchase. We will remain in full escrow for everybody.
Thank you--
Familyforever
And here's where it becomes obvious he's a scammer. He then posts, also on January 8th, this post trying to make Mitanox look like an anti-competitive liar:
Really? We understand your concern for the community. But we are not requiring anybody to finalize early. So feel free to edit your post. At what point are you going to admit your crossing the seller who cares/seller worried about losing business line?
We have 5 samples going out and reviews will be up very soon.
Again, we are remaining in full escrow. So please disregard Mitanox's post.
Thank you--
Familyforever
Manipulation? That's not good to see in a vendor, now is it...
So, let's recap:
1. Mitanox says: Be careful, he's still requiring early finalization.
*2 days later*
2. foreverfamily says: Okay, everyone can stay in escrow now.
3. foreverfamily says in response to 2 day old post: Why are you lying???? You're trying to steal our business!!!! Don't listen to him, guys!!!!
So please disregard any trust you might have for foreverfamily. If he's not a scammer, he's a manipulative asshole.
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FF....I would just post the pics you said you would and stop talking shit to Mitanox...that's not gonna help you. People trust Mitanox here....WE DON"T TRUST YOU. The amount of negativity is directly related to all the previous LSD scammers and the mis-steps you have made so far in setting up your bizness. Pull it together....get some feedback coming in and then you can talk shit if you want.
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The alternate account does seem strange, but I am wondering how the scam will work if it is all being done in escrow. Is he hoping that buyers get maybe bunk product without testing and finalize?
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the only way I think he could scam at this point is either from selling RCs on blotters or inactive blotters
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the scam works because no matter what happens on the forums he knows that atleast half the newbs buying shit will never read the forums. he knows that if he can convince just some of them finalize early thats all he needs.
so far he has already had a couple early finalizations, and im sure he will get some more before he gets shut down
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Jesus Christ I have never read such paranoia in all my life. I thought I was being a little crazy by getting spooked about his logging-in times. But you guys are just being nuts.
Mrgrey your memory is faulty dude. That account was only ever used for that one post today - I saw today that it was listed as a 1-post account and if you go back in the thread there is no reference in unmodified posts about samples to any such nym.
extrasheets your account is ridiculous. All this stuff about how he was lying and manipulating - fact is, the guy took down the reference to finalizing out of escrow pretty much as soon as he was called on it. So he forgot to take it down from a couple of individual product-listings. Big deal. He's only had a seller account for a couple of days and he's still learning his way around the interface.
It seems like the more he complies with these demands, the more you guys seem desperate to call him out for the most trivial infractions. And Mitanox - you sound scared man, I have to admit.
And Mrgrey - If you're going to say that EVEN IF HE PUBLICLY ABJURES OOE then he's still 'obviously' a scammer, then what exactly could he do to prove himself?
Yeah there is every chance that the guy is a scammer. But he doesn't seem to me to be behaving any different from how an authentic IRL family-connected Lucy dealer who was new to SR would behave. Maybe that just means he is a very good actor. But this behavior scares me for the future if any real such guys should show up here. Seems like maybe a few people have a deep investment in making sure that they don't?
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@sam...................Is that you man?
If there's a possible scam brewing on the horizon........ sam usually shows up to chime in........... Either way, HA HA, What's up dude?
If I've learned anything, from my short lived existence here on the SR forums, it's that, you never speak up, for or against, a new vendor being, or not being a "Scammer"!
I just wait for the elected testers to receive the promised samples and post back the results........And If that never happens, as in the case of Gummystars, I haven't lost anything by waiting around, I've just became wiser in the process!........."The Proof Is In The Pudding!"
Think of how long the Gummystars thread became, heck Gummy-stars posted so many times in that one thread, he became a "Full Member" here in the forum from his thread count alone! It became so full of back and forth (he's a scammer, he's legit), eventually a person would have to read through 50 plus pages just to try and find out if the samples ever arrived, and if they were any good or not, only to here "TO BE CONTINUED"......Some Newbies probably read a few post by someone who was now showing up as a "Full Member", and figured just from this fact alone, he must be legit!.......They should've read the 50 plus pages!!!!......And by my count, Familyforever only needs three more post and he'll be considered a "Jr Member" and no longer a "Newbie"....... Go figure!
Look folks, if the vendor is legit, It comes out, and if not, they still have some limited success in making at least some money off of the newbies.......Stay in escrow, unless you fully trust the vendor, it's as simple as that! If you go outside of escrow with an order, then the only person you have to blame is yourself!
STAY IN ESCROW!
@Familyforever........I never received an "in transit" PM from you either (I sent Encrypted Address Jan 4th), It'd be nice to have the heads up as to when that sample may arrive, It's not like I had it sent to my house dude, and a heads up would be nice, that's all.
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@sam...................Is that you man?
If there's a possible scam brewing on the horizon........ sam usually shows up to chime in........... Either way, HA HA, What's up dude?
If I've learned anything, from my short lived existence here on the SR forums, it's that, you never speak up, for or against, a new vendor being, or not being a "Scammer"!
I just wait for the elected testers to receive the promised samples and post back the results........And If that never happens, as in the case of Gummystars, I haven't lost anything by waiting around, I've just became wiser in the process!........."The Proof Is In The Pudding!"
Think of how long the Gummystars thread became, heck Gummy-stars posted so many times in that one thread, he became a "Full Member" here in the forum from his thread count alone! It became so full of back and forth (he's a scammer, he's legit), eventually a person would have to read through 50 plus pages just to try and find out if the samples ever arrived, and if they were any good or not, only to here "TO BE CONTINUED"......Some Newbies probably read a few post by someone who was now showing up as a "Full Member", and figured just from this fact alone, he must be legit!.......They should've read the 50 plus pages!!!!......And by my count, Familyforever only needs three more post and he'll be considered a "Jr Member" and no longer a "Newbie"....... Go figure!
Look folks, if the vendor is legit, It comes out, and if not, they still have some limited success in making at least some money off of the newbies.......Stay in escrow, unless you fully trust the vendor, it's as simple as that! If you go outside of escrow with an order, then the only person you have to blame is yourself!
STAY IN ESCROW!
@Familyforever........I never received an "in transit" PM from you either (I sent Encrypted Address Jan 4th), It'd be nice to have the heads up as to when that sample may arrive, It's not like I had it sent to my house dude, and a heads up would be nice, that's all.
Lol so this guy new family was a scam and spent money with him STILL. Your a duck lol.
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really at this point the only thing that is going to convince me he is not a scammer is for orders to arrive and be reported on by members of the forums (not newb accounts either)
there are several L vendors that have come on here and quickly handled their business like momiji. people were skeptical of him at first but he quickly and quietly handled business.
also have ya noticed how the last thread to get this big was the infamous gummystars thread, and that in itself is a pretty bad omen.
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Grey did you ever end up requesting that sample??
I'd be curious..
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@Kali Kross,
You Posted:
"Lol so this guy new family was a scam and spent money with him STILL. Your a duck lol."
HUH????
If you read the thread from it's beginnings, you would realize, I was one of the few who were supposed to receive a sample, not a purchased order. And as of today, I still haven't heard back from FF regarding weather or not that sample has even been shipped, nor have I seen where anyone else has received their sample yet.
If I mis-read your post..........Then please disregard this post.
Also, I don't say he's a scammer, I just say the proof is in the pudding that's all!
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where is mambosun? he can test it for sure ;)
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It seems like figuring out if an LSD vendor is legit or not is just the waiting game... all the newbs purchase and finalize early and we figure it out eventually :P Too bad people get scammed in the process :/
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It seems like figuring out if an LSD vendor is legit or not is just the waiting game... all the newbs purchase and finalize early and we figure it out eventually :P Too bad people get scammed in the process :/
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Let's all reserve judgement until atleast friday (i'm sure someone should receive by then if it's legit) I've only seen one custom listing and that was for like 7 bitcoins. Seems pointless to scam someone out for such a menial amount.
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waiting on my sample now, detailed report to come
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Even if a few samples turn up, it could still be a scam. Its not hard to buy some tabs via SR then send them out as a sample....
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The samples and orders are going out in the morning. We're not taking any more orders until the samples and first orders arrive. There is no point in arguing and stressing out over all of this when the samples will do the talking. We will open shop again once everybody receives their orders and this all stops.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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wow.. if I was foreverfamily I would have made 'douchbags from forums - do not sell to them' list by now:)
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wow.. if I was foreverfamily I would have made 'douchbags from forums - do not sell to them' list by now:)
We stated a few pages ago a list has been started. ;D
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I have a good feeling about this new vendor :) Still curious about ugs on the blotter though :P
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I have a good feeling about this new vendor :) Still curious about ugs on the blotter though :P
Dude they answered this at the start of the thread. They claim both WoW and prints are at least 120-130 mics bu thatt that's probably an under-estimate. They were called on how come it's not family-standard 100 mics / hit and they said that's because they're clearing house and used up every last bit of crystal on what sheets they had around.
Not sayin' it's true or anything' but it's a good consistent story!
And look - they have actually pulled listings for now and what do we see on their page? Do we see page after page of 'finalizing early' feedback, which has been the universal hallmark of ever scammer on SR? NO! We see ONE SINGLE finalized-early feedback!
If it's a scam, then it's a wholly new breed of scam and it will be interesting in itself to see how they manage to make money from it. But it should also be regarded as eye-opening just how terrified certain people seem to be by the possibility that this might be for real...
Could it be that a certain set of people have something to lose if acid finally becomes available on SR at something like sane IRL prices? Could it even be that some of their loyal fans don't want to face up to just how badly they have been being ripped off for the past 6 months?
This may or may not be a scam but one thing is for sure - SR acid prices are BULLSHIT and they won't stay this way forever.
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So we've been doing a couple tests in the kitchen and as soon as our listings are back up we will be offering 2-Drop Chocolate covered Vanilla wafers. Mmm 8)
--Familyforever
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Even if a few samples turn up, it could still be a scam. Its not hard to buy some tabs via SR then send them out as a sample....
Prettying hard to fake a needlepoint experience. Let's rely on dis shizz
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So we've been doing a couple tests in the kitchen and as soon as our listings are back up we will be offering 2-Drop Chocolate covered Vanilla wafers. Mmm 8)
--Familyforever
How about some gummy stars with LSD in them?
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So we've been doing a couple tests in the kitchen and as soon as our listings are back up we will be offering 2-Drop Chocolate covered Vanilla wafers. Mmm 8)
--Familyforever
How about some gummy stars with LSD in them?
We considered this after looking through the gummiestars thread and seeing the market there would be for them. But we have no idea where to even start? Haha, is anybody skilled in the art of candy making that could give us a few pointers and suggestions?
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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nomad bloodbath
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Just work on your reputation first and then worry about making fucking candy......this is getting ridiculous.
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mmmmh, I don't know, another L vendor with top of the line product. sounds too good to be true, again.
FF, I very much hope you are legit!!!
Here is one question for all of you:
Do you really think the GDF starts selling acid on SR now?
I very much doubt it, they have their channels and ways of distribution set up since 50 years.
well, we will see.
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Just work on your reputation first and then worry about making fucking candy......this is getting ridiculous.
QFT
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nomad bloodbath
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It seems like sooner or later we will get a legit LSD vendor that everyone accuses as a scam but then he proves everyone wrong. Not EVERY SINGLE new LSD vendor has to be a scam... I hope....
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So we've been doing a couple tests in the kitchen and as soon as our listings are back up we will be offering 2-Drop Chocolate covered Vanilla wafers. Mmm 8)
--Familyforever
2 drops? As in equivalent of 2 blotters? ~240-260ug wafers?
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Postings are down. Only one early finalization (which I think was for like 7 bitcoins). Call me naive but this might be legit. If it is, I will be one super happy camper. Countdown to Friday/Saturday commences!
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Yup either this guy is legit, or failed at scamming haha
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So we've been doing a couple tests in the kitchen and as soon as our listings are back up we will be offering 2-Drop Chocolate covered Vanilla wafers. Mmm 8)
--Familyforever
2 drops? As in equivalent of 2 blotters? ~240-260ug wafers?
No, sorry. These will be made from a different batch of solution at the regular 90-100ug/drop. Our last sheets were only stronger as they were made with all of the remaining crystal from the last supply.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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why have you pulled your listings?
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Because there were accusations of us being scammers. So what better way to show this is false, than to remove all of our listings until every customer is satisfied.
--Foreverfamily
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Well, I'm sure you understand all the skepticism, foreverfamily. Especially with how things have been with LSD on this site lately. I for one really hope you turn out to be legit, but I've decided to just wait it out and see.
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I have that gut feeling that we all might just end up shitting our pants ::)
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Well judging from the pms we got about them, you guys seem to be pretty interested in the vanilla wafers. We will have 300 of them ready to ship Saturday, assuming all of our orders/samples arrive by then. If you would like to reserve some please contact us. Each chocolate dipped wafer contains 2 drops, estimated 90-110ug per drop.
Prices will be as follows.
10 Wafers -- $85.00
20 Wafers -- $160.00
50 Wafers -- $375.00
100 Wafers -- $700.00
THIS SALE DOES NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE FIRST ORDERS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED. WE WILL THEN BEGIN SHIPPING IMMEDIATELY. Everything will remain in full escrow.
As of now 20/300 have been reserved.
If this sale goes well we may do this again soon.
Please let us know if you would like us to set aside any for you.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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30/300 taken.
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well I thought you were clearing house? now your making wafers?
A few words from experience to people like "Holly"... real family doesnt walk around saying family this family that...
There really is no family...but we are all brothers and sisters..
Your ignorance amuses us. Please stick around.
--Foreverfamily
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uh no thanks "family"...
You do realize LSD penalties are dished out according to carrier weight do you not?
Vanilla Wafers weigh considerably more than a micro tablet or a hit paper.
I do not think your "family" would condone what your doing...
10 sheets of perforated blotter paper. 10 boxes of Vanilla Wafers. Which would you want in your house if the cops came through the front door. Once again, your ignorance amuses us.
--Foreverfamily
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165/300 taken.
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Haters gunna hate.
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LoL if they're shipping out Joot's Swiss needlepoint at these kind of prices then good luck to them!
I've had printed sheets laid with family crystal that were not bought on the lot.
As ever I'm not saying this is real or not real - but saying it's not real because FF might do things slightly different from how they were done in the heady days of Tour makes no sense - if that network is going to survive it's obviously going to have to do things a little different. The Grateful Dead don't actually tour anymore, in case you hadn't heard.
Of course that might just mean that this is a smart scam - but if it is then it's a smarter scam than the haters are giving it credit for.
On one level the wafers seem like a genius idea precisely for the reasons they were first suggested in the thread. On the other hand - better keep in mind that LE read this site. Whether they would bother to do anything at all about trying to look out for 300 vanilla wafers being shipped from some unknown location, I wouldn't know. I doubt it at this stage. They might well tell customs to keep an eye out though, so I wouldn't be shipping any overseas...
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we have all bought prints anyplace that was not the lot as they trickle down...the point is the guy is signifying hes family...and its unwritten rules that you put down 100 mics on white unperfed if your dealing in the mail. If you dont undestand that you have never known any one who got popped for L in the mail, they do tens of years in prison. And your gonna go down for grams of LSD and conspiracy and federal mail penalties for a few wafers...
And when I said Joot I really meant someone like Joot, someone dealing liquid that he really doesnt know personally.
And your quite wrong about another point you just made but Im not gonna go into that here...by the way where are all the people and the sample reviews...how many days does it take?
And goldgutted did you purchase some? wheres your review... What is there for me to hate on? there are no reviews of anything here..
you noobs think Im a hater because you know no better and are new but you will see...Im trying to help you save some coins, see the gummystars thread
Here we go again - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=6699.msg59058#msg59058
He's back - the king of the trolls - and now he's an expert on the Grateful Dead Family, of which I am quite sure he's a fully thumbprinted inner-circle initiate. Not to mention a member of the Illuminati, the Invisible College, and the council of Elrond.
Please Sam, continue to save us from our ignorance. Otherwise what protection would we have, apart from the puny escrow system?
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I always enjoy reading your posts sam. You are dead on about the whole carrier weight thing or whatever they call it. I don't understand the big attraction to putting LSD on a food item that has a limited shelf life anyways. I'm still waiting to read some reviews of product coming in.....any day now right? Let's hope so. :-)
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Mine was marked in transit on Monday, so hopefully it'll be here by Friday. expect a review shortly there after (probably Sunday)
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The samples and orders are going out in the morning. We're not taking any more orders until the samples and first orders arrive. There is no point in arguing and stressing out over all of this when the samples will do the talking. We will open shop again once everybody receives their orders and this all stops.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
This was posted on the Monday the 9th, that makes the samples and orders going out Tues the 10th.
Ive ordered packages that had to come from one US coast to the other, and It usually arrives in 3 days, I don't think any have ever went 4 days, but maybe........... So you're looking at receiving these by Friday the 13th, or Saturday the 14th, by my figures.
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Due to all the flack we've been receiving for the wafers we are just going to continue with the blotter after this first supply is gone. After this stock has run out, we are hoping to offer sheets for $400 (Mitanox we haven't forgotten about you) 8)
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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Have there been any reviews of this yet? It seems like he offered up all those sheets ages ago...
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Everything was sent out lettermail Tuesday morning.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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Then we should be hearing something tomorrow or the next day!
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Very interested in sampling the product and would be able to write a review the day i get it and sample. Let me know!
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Everything was sent out lettermail Tuesday morning.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
Awesome! Glad to hear it. Looking forward to placing an order once you make a general offering again :) And $400/sheets ? :):):)
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And $400/sheets ? :):):)
and a sigh of relief was had by all
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Hello friend. if you are still offering samples I'd be highly interested and I can try & review immediately . If not, I still am if you get some good reviews. & I will be an extremely consistent customer. My feedback & reputation here speaks for itself. I look forward to your reply :)
-MR. CranE-
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Everything was sent out lettermail Tuesday morning.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
Awesome! Glad to hear it. Looking forward to placing an order once you make a general offering again :) And $400/sheets ? :):):)
No promises yet, but we will do our damned best to make it happen. ;D
--Foreverfamily
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Hey ForeverFamily, what are the types of prints you have?
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Hey ForeverFamily, what are the types of prints you have?
At the moment all we have left in stock is Mayan calendar. If you have anymore questions feel free to ask!
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fuckkkk. no more questions from me, I just want those samples to begin showing up so I can place an order for some of those Mayan calenders haha.
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Any day now we will find out if FF is legit :)
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If Mayan around I am down to grab a good bit, cant wait.
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Did anyone recieve? I'm REALLY hoping they arrive tommorrow. They should be right? Lettermail to the east coast shouldnt take that long.
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As of this moment, it's not looking good at all. Domestic US first class mail doesn't take 4 days except in very rare cases. Somebody should have received by now, and obviously nobody has.
Sure, there might be some explanation and maybe we'll all get our mail tomorrow. But tomorrow is the absolute limit.
Just hope everybody did indeed stay in escrow...
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Everybody is in escrow so relax lol, you guys need to take a t break or somethin, you're all a little paranoid hehe. :D
--Foreverfamily
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Patience guys, patience. There are any number of reasons the shipment could have been delayed, and all of them equally delayed especially if they were dropped off as a batch.
I'm not trying to weigh in one way or the other, as I am not waiting on a sample. But I think this guy has been REALLY receptive (moving to escrow only, pulling reviewless listings) and dealt with a whole bunch of possibly undue animosity, and if he's legit, he went through all of that BS to share the single most wondrous substance known to man...Let's give him a chance? I'm not saying go out of escrow on a 10pack order first time out, I'm just saying, let's wait a legitimate amount of time before turning into complete dicks.
It would be a god damned shame to scare FF off our board just because we appear to be a bunch of paranoid fools. No one would want to do business with such people. What we want is to be an educated, thoughtful, and secure community, one that seeks truth via evidence, not working off of a "guilty until proven innocent" precedent.
Let's give him a chance, and let's not be dicks until it's clear this guy has been jerking our chain. And even if he has...it's all (supposedly) in escrow anyway....
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Hey now - read the thread! - I've been more supportive of FF than anyone, all the way through.
Sadly from my experience when a pack doesn't come the day you were expecting it - 9/10 it ain't comin' at all...Amsterdam24 got mad as hell when I called him because a friends' pack didn't show up within 2 days and lots of people said 'whoah dude be patient' (this was internal UK)...but I was right and he was a scammer
Vendors and buyers need to be aware of this history, I think.
But sure let's be patient indeed.
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Is there a reason to worry? He has nothing to gain, you guys don't get your packages he doesn't get your money.
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Nah there is no reason to worry at all.
I'm just trying to have it both ways - I want to be able to say I was FF's first friend AND to be able to say that I called them as scammer, whichever way it turns out ;)
Should probably stop being such a smartass... ;)
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Just thought id mention Monday January 16th is Martin Luther King Day.....no mail.
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just a reminder, mail is slower in the new year due to USPS cutbacks
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Just saw the USPS man walk by empty-handed. Things aren't looking great...
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Today is day 4, and my safe addie reveals to me, the mail has arrived, and no samples arrived today either.........................And someone mentioned there would be no mail running Monday either due to "Martin Luther King Day Holiday"............... Oh Well, I guess the waiting game is still on for at least another 3 days!
"TO BE CONTINUED!"
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sam you just bash on everyone! damn
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USPS cutbacks HAVE NOT taken effect and that is not the reason that the packages have not arrived. Make room on the scammer list fellas.
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Bahaha I knew it! Man am I glad that I passed up the opportunity to get a free "sample". I knew it was fishy when FF began handing out samples left & right. What was a limited sample of 5 quickly became a sample of 10+. Also FF got mad when I sent a test message to try out his communication. "They" complained about numerous PMs and orders, so they did not have time to respond to my message. Which I may add was like a day after FF came into the picture, so how "they" got so many "orders" before any listings I don't understand. FF also clearly stated that real life customers were more important, which rose a flag for me. Good thing we flushed him out guys! Remember if it's too good to be true. Then it is! Come on "they" said they were clearing house and that these sheets had more because they were using up every bit of crystal they had. Then miraculously they acquired more which they wanted to put onto gummi..erm I mean waffers.
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Agree that the packs not showing is a dead giveaway of something...but what?...has anyone actually been scammed by these 'scammers'?
If this really was bullshit then it's too simple to call it a scam when apparently nobody actually got scammed. And the usual paranoid reaction 'It must have been LE' makes no sense for all the obvious reasons (what would LE be doing collecting a bunch of safe addresses used by SR users who presumably don't have much drugs at home anyway cos otherwise why would they be ordering from these guys?).
If it was a failed scam, why did they bother keeping up the pretense for so long?
Was it just all some kind of trollish prank? Are they delusional? (in either which case we'll have a whole new phenomenon to deal with here)
(Here's theory 211: they actually have good acid to sell but they are not based in the US at all. They knew that if they said 'we're in Australia' or wherever then hardly anybody would be interested. They are relying on the fact that once people get the product a little later than expected then they will be so happy that they won't mind and will remain repeat customers. I refer to my earlier post about the very peculiar schedule of their log-in times).
It's easy for people to jump up and down shouting 'scammer scammer!'. But ultimately there's only one proof of a scam - the victims. And who are the victims here (apart from all of us who have wasted time paying attention to this thread)?
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It's easy for people to jump up and down shouting 'scammer scammer!'. But ultimately there's only one proof of a scam - the victims. And who are the victims here (apart from all of us who have wasted time paying attention to this thread)?
Prevention is better then cure, luckily some people were on the ball and could see this coming a mile off, the repeated posts by OP was designed to sway the opinion of the skeptics.
I don't mind being proved wrong, better to be proven wrong then to lose my money or to hear about my fellow SR forum members losing their hard earned money too..
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And they have all their listings open now despite promising to keep them closed until people had received samples or orders. SCAM.
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Yeah, what's up with that? Did anyone receive?
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Nobody has received. I was told my order shipped Wed morning by express mail, so how that would manage not to make it to the west coast by Saturday I'm really not clear. It's not looking good at all.
They actually contacted me Wednesday and said 'sorry we forgot your order yesterday so we'll ship it express today' which all seemed perfectly plausible - but express mail takes ONE DAY and three days later it still wasn't there.
The listings thing - it's POSSIBLE that it's a technical glitch - there have been a bunch of issues with old listings re-appearing for vendors inadvertently (yes, there have).
It's also true that the forum was down for a long time so maybe ff couldn't come and comment about what might have delayed delivery.
But right now the skeptics have the weight of evidence on their side, I'm afraid.
FF I am very sorry if actually all is cool and you think I'm just being impatient - but you DID tell me you were shipping express on Wednesday morning, and you obviously didn't. Maybe you shipped priority instead and then there was some extra delay and we will all receive tomorrow. Maybe the listings going back up is a mistake. But having been as supportive as possible all along, I have to say that right now it's looking like the skeptics were right.
Oh and before people start commiserating with me - don't cry for me, I'm fully in escrow. What I would really like to hear about is if anybody sent them money outside escrow in any way?
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lol how did you guys get moon units password?? lol...
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For everyone who is expecting (and by the looks of things won't get) a package from foreverfamily and hasn't seen my intro thread, I'm offering free samples to anyone who got taken by this guy. The first 5 people to make a convincing case to me will get a 2-tab chunk off of a slightly wide 10-strip that I was saving for my head stash. I already have 1 sample allotted that will be going out tomorrow. All I'm asking for in return is that you post some feedback in my thread when you get a chance to try my L.
If you were somehow persuaded to do an out-of-escrow transaction with this guy, post in my thread or contact me privately (either on here or through Silk Road, use PGP if you want) and describe how you got taken to be considered for receiving a free sample from me. I didn't consider that some people might want to be private about this but it's OK if that's how you want to do it. If you are just in escrow limbo and will get your money back, this offer isn't for you.
Link to my profile:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/125559
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For everyone who is expecting (and by the looks of things won't get) a package from foreverfamily and hasn't seen my intro thread, I'm offering free samples to anyone who got taken by this guy. The first 5 people to make a convincing case to me will get a 2-tab chunk off of a slightly wide 10-strip that I was saving for my head stash. I already have 1 sample allotted that will be going out tomorrow. All I'm asking for in return is that you post some feedback in my thread when you get a chance to try my L.
If you were somehow persuaded to do an out-of-escrow transaction with this guy, post in my thread or contact me privately (either on here or through Silk Road, use PGP if you want) and describe how you got taken to be considered for receiving a free sample from me. I didn't consider that some people might want to be private about this but it's OK if that's how you want to do it. If you are just in escrow limbo and will get your money back, this offer isn't for you.
Link to my profile:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/125559
Next vendor on the list who's gunna be plannin a goin outta business thread next week. :)
We took these pictures a few days ago and changed our minds about posting them, but you guys are driving us to our last straw, haha. You all REALLY need to chill out. We understand you guys have been scammed before but that does not mean you should begin a new witch hunt every time a new vendor chooses to set up shop here. You're going to scare a lot of vendors away and you're most likely burning bridges with someone you may want to do business with later. :D Keep that in mind.
--Foreverfamily
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=71dd34b938d96c77da22f30de4d00af1.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=9059107f80e92843ee1396c34fc999fb.jpg
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looks to me like a scam, your not foolin anyone bro.
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definate scam, all Family know not to wrap LSD in al foil.
It has properties that pull the L off the blotter.
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Moon Unit, that LSD/tinfoil thing is a myth. Read this thread about it on bluelight: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/426047-LSD-Subthread-Storage-in-Tin-Foil-amp-Myths .
Looking at the pictures it seems that FamilyForever seems to have some blotters and while it by itself doesn't really mean anything it does give me some hope again that he could be legit after all... That being said its still worrying me that no samples have been received yet by anyone and that he has been caught posting under sockpuppet accounts and lies about him not requiring anyone to finalize early. Stay cautious everyone, stay in escrow and dont give any safe addresses out you cant afford to lose :)
PS. FamilyForever, wouldnt the heat of the hot chocolate where the vanilla wafers with some LSD on them are dipped in degrade the LSD alot?
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Thank you for posting the pics FF. Would have been best to have posted them last week but better late than never I guess. Mail delivery returns today so LETS HOPE some people post up if they receive them.
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Today is day #7, and once again no sample......................
At this point, about the only logical explanation is "Theory 211", maybe this vendor is not actually based in the US, and just says so, knowing the demand for US LSD vendors.
"TO BE CONTINUED!"
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Mitanox your obviously not a chemist, I dont live my life by what Bluelight says, thanks anyway..besides it said nothing conclusive.
I dont go around saying "FAMILY FAMILY FAMILY" but put it this way a few different Families call me Family in front of others....
Family chemist will tell you that AL foil will attract L off the paper.
Its one of the first things you learn out on the haight. DO NOT USE FOIL with LSD.
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PS. FamilyForever, wouldnt the heat of the hot chocolate where the vanilla wafers with some LSD on them are dipped in degrade the LSD alot?
This was one of our main concerns when making them and another reason we decided against it. We weren't sure whether it would degrade the lsd or not so we decided we'd rather be safe than sorry and just stick with blotters. ;D Sorry we got off to such a bad start Mitanox, you seem very knowledgeable on the subject and we would love to chat with you about a few other ideas we have also. Feel free to message us anytime! ;D
And the tinfoil will work just fine for the short time the sheets are in the mail. We have kept sheets stored in foil throughout many week long festivals and have noticed no degradation in potency. It also protects against the elements if the letter ever happened to get rain/snow on it(God forbid).
--Foreverfamily
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the heat will not degrade the LSD how do you think gels are made?
the LSD solution is mixed with a hot gelatin solution and poured into molds
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Then why do people tell you to store your acid in the freezer, in aluminum foil?
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how am I supposed to answer that?
cold is good for storage, but foil is not...read why the whole thread was started on bluelight.
listen to the L snobs.
Is metal not reactive? alot more reactive than other materials
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Old school knowledge and actual chemist fact. LSD is a reactive acid salt of a delicate organic nature. Aluminum happens to be very sensitive and fast to oxidize (even if you can not really see it) with acids and bases. The actual statement to keep crystal in the freezer in foil was intended for chemists who realize they meant in sealed glass container that was wrapped in foil to keep any light out white or uv. Might even get carried away and use a nitrogen blanket in the container.
For blotter or other items with dose quantity LSD this even more important since it is so little. It does not take much degradation to make the doses get weak. Drvies me crazy when I get all excited to get some "fresh" laid acid and see the dude pull out a fucking slab of foil covered blotter. Total loss. That was the problem wiith the unamed grower bye the bye. His shit came packed in foil and w=his photos should it in foil. I tasted em they were acid but very weak. By Erhlichs they were acid contrary to the stories on here.
Hilly
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cold is good for storage, but foil is not...read why the whole thread was started on bluelight.
Just trying to wrap my brain around why we would need to keep it cold for long term storage if heat caused no problems as you stated.
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Heat is not a good thing especially for long term. I have been at shows with incredible heat and yes my blotters did not seem diminished if keep in the cool, dry, and dark. Heat and humidity are never good for acid and neither would hot and cold cycles that create condensation.
I am surprised by the number of people who would debate the myth or fact about foil. Simply said why take the chances lol. But honestly I have not had the good fortune to run an experiment on the MS-GC with certified standards and freshly extracted long term stability samples to confirm or deny the theory.
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Personally I always wrap mine in paper and then in foil - just to be safe
I kind of lean to the view that the foil thing is probably an old head's tale - even if it's true I don't think it should matter this time of year - you would need a fair amount of ambient heat to generate the putative reaction.
I've heard it said you shouldn't use foil for any international orders though, as it can attract attention if letters get x-rayed (and a cheap vacuum sealer costs next to nothing and will wrap the product up safe in thin plastic) - but then the Dutch vendors all seem to use these metallic envelopes that don't seem to cause them any problems so that may be bullshit.
Yep those pics look pretty convincing - I started the thread which eventually shut down Amsterdam24's scam because I noticed he was using pics straight from google images. Those don't seem to be - I haven't seen a print like that online at all.
Yet again I say - doesn't prove anything about the truth of the case until unless the acid actually arrives in our hands, which it still hasn't - but if it's a scam then it's one in which the attention to detail is impressive!
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heat will degrade LSD but it depends on how much heat and for how long its exposed.
for example when making gel tabs the heat must be high enough for the solution to be pourable but it cools within minutes.
The dose probably did degrade in some quantifiable degree but not enough to notice said degradation when human ingest it.
Just trying to wrap my brain around why we would need to keep it cold for long term storage if heat caused no problems as you stated.
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I just wanted to say thanks to foreverfamily for sticking around despite all of the nay-saying that has been directed at you.. If my welcome to this site had been quite as rough as yours then there is a good chance I would have probably head for the hills. I am super looking forward to the samples showing up and the listings being put back up because I am definitely ready to give one of your sheets a test run :D.. Everyone who is still waiting for shipments.. I have had all of my packages that were sent last week arrive a but later than anticipated, so try to not think about it and maybe tomorrow there will be a pleasant surprise in the mail(hell today is still early as hell too!).
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Moon Unit, did you even order anything from FF? Because I saw your listing in the market, and was wondering why it's up but FF doesn't even have listings posted.... I think the only people who can sat scam or not are people who ordered from him. I still haven't gotten anything which is unusual for US-US but there was a 3-day weekend last weekend so maybe the mail is running behind a bit. I am starting to worry a bit, but still hopeful
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I hope the best for u all, committed to this deal.... really the best...
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I've been trying to stay out of this, but my skeptisism has hit the breaking point. US to US been 14 days now, the mail has come today and still nothing. I'm done holding my breath it's over he wins I lose. Fuck it!
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I've been trying to stay out of this, but my skeptisism has hit the breaking point. US to US been 14 days now, the mail has come today and still nothing. I'm done holding my breath it's over he wins I lose. Fuck it!
Did you pay out of escrow?
Did you get told your shipped before last Tuesday (which was when they said in the thread that they shipped everything)?
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It's been 8 days now, and no samples today either.
"TO BE CONTINUED!"
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I've been trying to stay out of this, but my skeptisism has hit the breaking point. US to US been 14 days now, the mail has come today and still nothing. I'm done holding my breath it's over he wins I lose. Fuck it!
You didn't order anything from us...
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Sam you always bash on people. Everyone doesn't like you, why do you even post? lol
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So....anyone receive their samples? xD Surely 1 of the 10 are bound to arrive sooner rather than later.
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Man, I was really hoping FF was legit. It's been over a week and nobody has received anything, I guess it's time to move on.
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Man, I was really hoping FF was legit. It's been over a week and nobody has received anything, I guess it's time to move on.
Stick around.
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Man, I was really hoping FF was legit. It's been over a week and nobody has received anything, I guess it's time to move on.
Stick around.
I'm rootin for ya FF! Maybe all your samples that were shipped last week got bounced (to a fake addr I assume..) due to some postage error or something?
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Heads ups comrades, Dalai Lama on the board:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/18374
Boo-Yaaaa
Brand new vendor with no sales. Half of their vendors blurbs are copy and pasted from other vendors(aakoven, actually its almost word for word his vendor profile) and they are requiring early finalization for new buyers/international orders/bulk order... What gives sam? Isn't this what you were ready to crucify us for the other day?
Here's their profile
EU SHIPMENT:
I ship EU
EU Transit Time: 3-5 days !!!
It will sometimes take 3 days longer. I don’t know why, I’m not the postman!
INTERNATIONAL SHIPMENT TIME REST world -16 days
SHIPPING PROBLEMS:
If your order does not arrive in a reasonable time:
Customs probably has it, or it was stolen by the postman.
I do everything that is within my power to keep your product safe.
If you have any problems, just PM me.
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RELEASING ESCROW FUNDS:
I do my up most best to ship everything as quick as possible. I understand that waiting for your product sucks. I have been in that position many times.
I ask that you release the funds from Escrow once you have received the product, as quick as possible. You can always revise the rating later.
I honor my part of the deal, you honor yours. Thank you & I hope for your understanding.
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IMPORTANT:
New buyers (with 5 or less succesful transactions) - you will have to release funds before
we can ship your order. It's understandable that you might not trust us, so please wait
while customers with history put some feedback on our work.
***** U HAVE TO FINALIZE BEFORE I SEND.!! ******************
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LEAVING A RATING:
If your shipment doesn’t arrive, remember that it’s not easy for the sender.
Don’t just give me a negative review because of mail problems; it’s not my fault.
The packing I use is the best a person can do.
You will never have complaints about the product itself. I can assure you!
A quality only. :+)
And heres aakovens... You guys can decide
SHIPPING PROBLEMS:
If your order does not arrive in a reasonable time:
Customs probably has it, or it was stolen by the postman.
I do everything that is within my power to keep your product safe.
If you have any problems, just PM me.
STAY POLITE U CAN WE WORK IT OUT ; BIG MOUTH FUCK YOU !! :+)
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REFUND I CASE IT DID NOT ARRIVE \
I GIVE NEVER MORE THEN 50 % U DONT LIKE IT...DONT ORDER..
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EU SHIPMENT:
I ship EU Only – [Not ITALY & Ireland & Scandinavian country's]
EU Transit Time: 3-5 days !!!
It will sometimes take 3 days longer. I don’t know why, I’m not the postman!
Shipped same day, 4 times a day!
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INTERNATIONAL SHIPMENT TIME; 7-16 days i dont ship to USA..!
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INTERNATIONAL SHIPMENT : yes CAN ! * AND - ITALY , Scandinavian country's !!!
If you still want something, I will ship to your country. HERE ARE MY TERMS ****
@@@@@@@@ READ PLZZZZZZZ !!! @@@@@@@@@@@@@@
MAIL ME; ..
Bitcoin must be immediately finalized , BEFORE I send you the product. . !!!!!!
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LEAVING A RATING:
FUCK THIS RATING SYSTEM ITS UNFAIR LIKE FUCK AND I HAD IT WITH IT
YOU LIKE THE GIVE ME A SHIT RATING GO FOR IT...
I DONT FUCKING CARE ANYMORE. FUCK IT.. :+)
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RELEASING ESCROW FUNDS:
I do my up most best to ship everything as quick as possible. I understand that waiting for your product sucks. I have been in that position many times.
I ask that you release the funds from Escrow once you have received the product, as quick as possible. You can always revise the rating later.
I honor my part of the deal, you honor yours. Thank you & I hope for your understanding.
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What was the point of reposting that...
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Once the orders and samples arrive we will be organizing a group buy. If everything goes as planned we should have 20 sheets of WoW hopefully @ $400 per sheet. The entire group buy will remain in escrow and everything will be shipped priority with DCN. We're still deciding if we're going to offer this internationally or not yet. We expect this to fill up pretty quickly so let us know what you would like reserved. Please don't ask to have a sheet reserved if you do not fully intend on ordering, we don't want this to turn into a big mess of "I might want 2 or 3, maybe 4 if I get paid in time I dunno maybe not.." We would like to keep this neat and organized so we can continue to do this in the future.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
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Once the orders and samples arrive we will be organizing a group buy. If everything goes as planned we should have 20 sheets of WoW hopefully @ $400 per sheet. The entire group buy will remain in escrow and everything will be shipped priority with DCN. We're still deciding if we're going to offer this internationally or not yet. We expect this to fill up pretty quickly so let us know what you would like reserved. Please don't ask to have a sheet reserved if you do not fully intend on ordering, we don't want this to turn into a big mess of "I might want 2 or 3, maybe 4 if I get paid in time I dunno maybe not.." We would like to keep this neat and organized so we can continue to do this in the future.
Thank you--
Foreverfamily
In the (ever-decreasingly unlikely) event that you turn out to be legit, I'm sure people would be happy about this offer.
But you shipped stuff domestic 10 days ago, 2 days of which the post office was closed. I've never had domestic take longer than 5 days.
Ok, maybe one or two got lost. But your entire shipment? Not very likely. At this point, you're probably going to want to overnight a couple of hits to somebody who posts on this forum, because you're about 2-3 days from being written off for good.
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Heads ups comrades, Dalai Lama on the board:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/18374
Boo-Yaaaa
that, for the second time, made me laugh a fair bit.
for the record, im hedging my bets its a stubborn scam.
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Nobody has received anything?
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Why do the scam LSD threads always go into 15+ page threads.. :o
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no one has received.
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Brand new vendor with no sales. Half of their vendors blurbs are copy and pasted from other vendors(aakoven, actually its almost word for word his vendor profile) and they are requiring early finalization for new buyers/international orders/bulk order... What gives sam? Isn't this what you were ready to crucify us for the other day?
Not that I'm supporting sam here (guy is a troll, you should just ignore him), but some of these vendors are Euro based, and I assume working with an entirely different source of stock as you. I *think* (no way to no for sure here) people jumped so hard on you because you are domestic, and SR hasn't seen a reliable domestic supplier that isn't reshipping Euro product in a while.. That doesn't make it right, and I've been doing my best to not make any strong claims, but I would guess that is why you are seeing a disparity in response. If anything this should signal to you just how badly this community needs a reliable domestic source.
All the best man, if the GB happens I'll be all over it!
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Yeah, I will definitely be interested in a sheet once some reviews come in.
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nothing ever arrived... I don't think it ever will. You had such potential FF
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He had the potential to kick ass around here... $450 domestic sheets? Every new vendor has potential to be great. He's still asking me to wait a few days for it but that's kind of stretching it out I'd say
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what potential? It was blatantly obvious from the point he registered a uid that he was a super-fraud.
i totally agree i can throw out some fuckin prices on anything just because i say i have some cheap prices all of sudden i kick ass. what a fuckin joke.
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Looks like we've got a few more people to add to the blacklist. If everybodys stuff does not arrive Monday morning we will either reship or refund you 100%. You choose. But we've got a verrrrry good feeling everything will be arriving Monday. :D Even though we were really hoping they were going to arrive today :(
--Foreverfamily
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hate to bring up old news but anyone remember Gummy-Stars. i forgot about that asshole until i started to read this thread. maybe this will end up with more pages than that. we'll see if you are true. i have my doubts.
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I’m sorry FF - but for me, and I suspect for some others, Monday is just too late for us to take the chance. I will explain why in a moment.
FF you did give me a private explanation for the delay, but if it was true then frankly the stuff should have started showing up for people by Thursday. It hasn’t.
(And FF, with the best will in the world, I suggest you save any further explanations for now. If you are legit then obviously I wouldn’t want you to be giving away your MO in public in case of possible LE surveillance, and to be honest I don’t really want to hear any more private explanations until the order shows up. If you’re not legit well then just gtfo finally.)
FF just in case you are legit after all and this order is going to turn up next week, I will explain why I can’t wait any longer before claiming my money back out of escrow. If you are not legit then don’t bother reading or responding to this.
As you may or may not know, orders on SR auto-finalize 16 days after being marked ‘in transit’ unless a customer submits them to the resolution centre.
Now, there is nearly a week to go before my order will auto-finalize. However, even if it arrives on Monday, I won’t have time to test it before it auto-finalizes.
Given all the variables around this situation, you will, I’m sure, forgive me for not being prepared to let that situation arise.
People have asked in this thread how this could be a scam if you’re staying in escrow with everyone - well, this is one way it could be done: just drag everything out until the auto-finalization period is nearly reached, then just hope some people miss the deadline, or send out bunk blotters at the last minute in the hope that enough people won’t bother or have time to test them before auto-finalization occurs.
I have to protect myself from this eventuality and encourage others to do the same.
If the order does come through then be sure I will pay you in full, and I am putting this out here publicly as an extra reassurance for you in this matter. This is why I’m saying this in the forum and not just the a PM - I’m prepared to publicly stake my reputation on my willingness to pay you if this all goes good. Hell, if SR is down I will even track you down via tormail to get you paid. If you want you can even PM me another email address in case the whole damn Tor network goes down. I’ve never left a debt unpaid in my life and I’m not about to start now.
I’m afraid what I won’t be able to do is to pay before I’ve tested. I’ve put aside the past two week-ends for testing (losing both work and time with my family) on the promise that this order was going to show up first last weekend and then this weekend, and I’m not fucking around with my schedule any more; so if they come then I will have to test them in my own time - although I promise it will not take more than a couple of weeks unless I’m sick or there is some family emergency - and then for sure I will pay for them if they are as promised.
But this issue of needing time to test them is why I can’t just wait a few more days before asking for my refund from SR. Even if it shows up Monday, then I won’t have time to test them before auto-finalization occurs, and I want to have the freedom to wait until I can make time to test them before paying you.
If this all goes good then I promise to start a whole new thread singing your praises. Even if that happens, though, then this story should stand as a warning to vendors against marking goods in transit when they are not just a few days away from delivery.
I am going to submit the order to the resolution centre now. If it is possible simply to extend the auto-finalization deadline by a further 16 days then I’m willing to pursue that as an option and I will suggest that to SR support. That way we will still just be in escrow for a while longer. However if that is not an option then I’m going to have ask for a refund now.
Guys - if you are legit - you REALLY should not have been marking orders ‘in transit’ that were not going to show up for 2 weeks...
This is the last I’m going to say about it until the order shows up. If nobody hears from me again- assume that it hasn’t. For those still with orders in escrow my sad advice is - don’t leave it too late to get out, or, if you want, extend the escrow period…
Still hoping this will all work out,
Lightfoot
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HOLY SHIT IT CAME! FF was legit for me! Dosing now; will update.
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HOLY SHIT IT CAME! FF was legit for me! Dosing now; will update.
no way.... here we go....
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Haha, this is ridiculous. ScammyMcScamScam Scamstinator
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HOLY SHIT IT CAME! FF was legit for me! Dosing now; will update.
FF alt. ForeverFamily is trying to keep everyone in escrow until it auto-finalizes, sure some people will back out before but he only needs one. All his orders are hundreds of dollars and I'm sure that some buyers don't go on the community forums or know about auto-finalization. He has thousands of $$ in escrow right now and hes getting close to getting it. All it cost him was $150 for the account, lets take that from him. Freeze his account until someone reputable comes on and says they received. Also betting this is the same guy as gummystars, he has plenty of money now to the scam over and over again. All he needs is to scam >150 for it to be worth it.
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It actually did come in. Bad News However.... I took 3 tabs. 2 at 5PM... 1 at 8 PM because I didn't feel much (eyes were very dilated)... extremely mild, not sure if it was handled incorrectly or not... But disappointing nonetheless. it is now 10 PM and I will commence drinking because I'm not feeling it.
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It actually did come in. Bad News However.... I took 3 tabs. 2 at 5PM... 1 at 8 PM because I didn't feel much (eyes were very dilated)... extremely mild, not sure if it was handled incorrectly or not... But disappointing nonetheless. it is now 10 PM and I will commence drinking because I'm not feeling it.
man, that sucks bro. sorry to here that.
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Shocking
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Well then. Maybe FF was hoping no-one would have time to try his blotters before they finalized or it auto-finalized?
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yeah it sucks, was hoping for a lot more, gonna just take four tabs next time and hopefully something happens then...
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Yeah, I'm the sucker that finalized, the order amount was generous, I'm hoping it was just laid out shittily, and that 4 tabs is gonna knock me off my ass. Gonna send them a message, they were cool in their communicating with me though. Please everyone, dose before finalizing. I hope FF tries to make this right for me.
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Fuckin knew it. :P
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Well... I guess i'm the newbie that got screwed. Oh well, shit happens, Only verified dealers from here on out. Atleast I get to help the community by letting them know my experience... Right?
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Nope. Check your account. We refunded you 100% and will reship from this new batch immediately.
--Foreverfamily
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We sell these all day every day IRL and have never had a complaint like thia so we cannot tell if you simply got a poorly laid portion of the sheet or you are exploiting the weakness of our reputation at the moment to collect more.. Either way we will give you the benefit of the doubt and we're packaging your replacement tabs right now.
--Foreverfamily
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And to the guy who said we're just waiting for orders to auto finalize, we only have 3 orders open right now and all 3 are in resolution center. We are responding immediately and working out an agreement with every person who has an order with us and we are sure they will all attest to this.
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I received my order with some extras! I would like to publicly apologize to FF for dishonoring him here. Dosing this week and will leave feedback for everyone
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Listings are back up and prices reduced quite a bit to make room for our group buy!
--Foreverfamily
Edit: New prices as follows
5 Tabs WoW $45.00
5 Tabs Print $35.00
10 Strip WoW $90.00
10 Strip Print $65.00
25 Tabs Print $140.00
25 Tabs WoW $180.00
Print Full Sheet $425.00
Print Half Sheet $230.00
WoW Full Sheet $550.00
WoW Half Sheet $300.00
And here's our vendors page. ;D
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/128789
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When can I expect my samples to arrive? ???
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When can I expect my samples to arrive? ???
It seems most of the orders started arriving today, so if you didn't get yours with today's mail I'd expect it Monday for sure ;D
--Foreverfamily
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Hey All,
FF gave me a full refund (I don't want refunds in my history, as much as they don't want bad reviews)
They really are trying their best, hats off to them, I'm hoping I just got a mishandled portion, and that my results aren't usual. Thank you very much FF, you really are stand up guys.
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Hey All,
FF gave me a full refund (I don't want refunds in my history, as much as they don't want bad reviews)
They really are trying their best, hats off to them, I'm hoping I just got a mishandled portion, and that my results aren't usual. Thank you very much FF, you really are stand up guys.
Resend us your encrypted address and we'll resend your order tomorrow morning. Well get this worked out ;D
--Foreverfamily
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HOLY SHIT IT CAME! FF was legit for me! Dosing now; will update.
FF alt. ForeverFamily is trying to keep everyone in escrow until it auto-finalizes, sure some people will back out before but he only needs one. All his orders are hundreds of dollars and I'm sure that some buyers don't go on the community forums or know about auto-finalization. He has thousands of $$ in escrow right now and hes getting close to getting it. All it cost him was $150 for the account, lets take that from him. Freeze his account until someone reputable comes on and says they received. Also betting this is the same guy as gummystars, he has plenty of money now to the scam over and over again. All he needs is to scam >150 for it to be worth it.
If only they would hear you... I follow this thread for entertaining and only can agree wit you, Munchies.
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HOLY SHIT IT CAME! FF was legit for me! Dosing now; will update.
FF alt. ForeverFamily is trying to keep everyone in escrow until it auto-finalizes, sure some people will back out before but he only needs one. All his orders are hundreds of dollars and I'm sure that some buyers don't go on the community forums or know about auto-finalization. He has thousands of $$ in escrow right now and hes getting close to getting it. All it cost him was $150 for the account, lets take that from him. Freeze his account until someone reputable comes on and says they received. Also betting this is the same guy as gummystars, he has plenty of money now to the scam over and over again. All he needs is to scam >150 for it to be worth it.
If only they would hear you... I follow this thread for entertaining and only can agree wit you, Munchies.
Hear what? Orders are arriving now and the 2 that have not are in resolution center and we have reached agreements with both... If their order does not arrive Monday morning they can either request a reshipment or a 100% refund. So we're struggling to see what the problem is...?
--Foreverfamily
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And we gave a 100% refund along with a free reshipment for a mishandled/cold spot on the sheet..
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you want to sell here and the first product ever that shows up from you is not active?! come on dont you test your product?
If someone goes to a real vendor and buys L there she/he gets the real deal.
No way I jump on your greedy train. ...oh no wait you guys are the good ones the ones that love the people and care... just like a familie and only for the love and such ... bla bla bla
It is for the money, nothing else. If not ... why not start low and work your way up like others have?
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The tabs that received the negative feedback were from a 10 strip that has been handled and repackaged quite a bit. This is why we are offering him a free reshipment along with the 100% refund we gave him. Honestly, you sound like a competing vendor who's getting scared of the prices ;D
--Foreverfamily
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na no vendor, I just had not breakfast and so it could have sounded a bit harsh. Much more relaxed now.
I wish you the best and hope you really dont rob all these peoples.
take care
no_pain
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na no vendor, I just had not breakfast and so it could have sounded a bit harsh. Much more relaxed now.
I wish you the best and hope you really dont rob all these peoples.
take care
no_pain
*Sigh*... How could we even possible "rob" these people.
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I dont know. But it seem that some always find a way to do it. And I am not saying you do such things but it seems a bit sketchy, this whole thread.
And I dont know why people want to do big orders from a new vendor with literally no build trust in the community. There is nothing wrong to test the waters for a few bucks. If you are real you will get your buyers and make a nice profit. Just make it step by step.
It is easy. Sell some -> wait for feedback -> sell more -> get more feedback and a good reputation -> make connections and sell big -> profit and spread love.
take care
no_pain
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I see in your profile that you now claim to be shipping "silver fluff". However in your listings and all previous communications you have only referred to 'family fluff'."Silver fluff" is a term which is sometimes used for crystal at the top end of the 'silver' range, around 90% purity. For sure it is distributed by known 'families' (rainbow family, silver family), so one could call it 'family fluff'. But the vast majority of potential customers are going to interpret 'family fluff' in the usual way i.e. 'white fluff in the 90-98% purity range as supplied traditionally by the grateful dead family'.
This is further exacerbated if you're using the term 'WoW (=white one white): as the name implies, this term is always supposed to designate the application of WHITE crystal to white paper. If you're actually selling silver-on-white then you should make that clear to people. In case people don't know, as a rough rule of thumb, 'silver; grade crystal is 80-90% pure, while 'white fluff' should be 90-98% pure: so there is a big difference if FF are selling silver or selling white. FF Can you clarify the situation?
And can you tell us why you are still charging different prices for your 'WoW' and your prints? I thought this was a one-off thing and that you only had a few sheets of the WoW left...if you have continuous supply of both then why are you charging more for blank watercolor paper than for prints??
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obvious scammer changed his listing after he saw others talking about silver yesterday.
there is no silver fluff, its either fluff or its silver
what an idiot, hes probably laying nBOME on his shit and obviouly cant even get that right if you check his feedback
Sam, were you banned again? Are the SR staff banning people now? You should do sam1, sam2, just so people know how many times you've been banned.
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*"Update!"*
Seem as if the sample arrived in mail Saturday (1-21-12). it was discovered when the person who looks after this safe addy, came back into town late last night (around 2am). This is why it's important to know when the shipment went out, so it wouldn't have to sit in the mail box for probably somewhere in the ballpark of 14hrs.
This package shouldn't have taken this long to arrive, domestic from anywhere in the US is 3-5days....excluding Sundays & Holidays of course.
I now have the sample in hand, and the post mark on the envelope is dated "18, Jan 2012", the sample contains a five strip of prints on the smaller style perforated blotter tabs (1/4in X 1/4in) that definitely look to have been removed from one of the prints shown in the pics FF posted on January the 19th, with a note that his name tag in the pic shows a date of 1-14-12 (5 days before posting pics).....
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=9059107f80e92843ee1396c34fc999fb.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=71dd34b938d96c77da22f30de4d00af1.jpg
I saw where someone posted about receiving a PM from FF explaining the real deal on the shipping dates.
I only asked for this sample in order to check out this vendors product before making a substantially larger purchase, and in return I promised to post an accurate review about his acid, and make a purchase if everything is legit.
I appreciate the generous sampling portion that was sent, all though it's a shame I didn't get it in my hand until this morning, I have to work tomorrow, so it looks as if tomorrow may be a rough day for me at work, if I see any opportunity at all today, I will be dropping and posting the outcome with my test results for you all, this is something you can be sure of!
FamilyForever could you kindly drop me an encrypted PM explaining the obvious misconstruing of the posted shipping dates with the actual post mark dates, this is something I need to feel comfortable about before placing my order, I'm sure there are all kinds of explanations people could run around with in their brains, but the best one is the truth, we've all been there, if we've got any years of experience in this drug game, and sometimes as they say, "SHIT HAPPENS!", I just need to hear it from you.......... And please don't sell the amount you assured me you would be reserving for me, because once the good reviews start popping up on here, this stuff is going to fly out the door, and it would be a shame to miss out on my reserved order after all this time of patiently waiting!
In the mean time, I will try to sample the product and give the best review possible today,
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Good luck with that ^ my hunch tells me this is nBOM. The last bad trip I had was from some "acid" which was cut exactly like this - wow perf'ed blotters which were I tossed once I realized I'd been had two hours into the trip.
It saddens me to say that Forever Family is probably naive or full of it, but probably naive more than a scammer. I would NOT order any of his product until a road test and/or Ehrlich's reagent (or at least Marquis which turns black) is applied.
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Just wanna clear something up. So, FF, you have a family connect? Sorry if you've been asked this already but 20 pages was too many to go through and check.
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*"Update!"*
Seem as if the sample arrived in mail Saturday (1-21-12). it was discovered when the person who looks after this safe addy, came back into town late last night (around 2am). This is why it's important to know when the shipment went out, so it wouldn't have to sit in the mail box for probably somewhere in the ballpark of 14hrs.
This package shouldn't have taken this long to arrive, domestic from anywhere in the US is 3-5days....excluding Sundays & Holidays of course.
I now have the sample in hand, and the post mark on the envelope is dated "18, Jan 2012", the sample contains a five strip of prints on the smaller style perforated blotter tabs (1/4in X 1/4in) that definitely look to have been removed from one of the prints shown in the pics FF posted on January the 19th, with a note that his name tag in the pic shows a date of 1-14-12 (5 days before posting pics).....
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=9059107f80e92843ee1396c34fc999fb.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=71dd34b938d96c77da22f30de4d00af1.jpg
I saw where someone posted about receiving a PM from FF explaining the real deal on the shipping dates.
I only asked for this sample in order to check out this vendors product before making a substantially larger purchase, and in return I promised to post an accurate review about his acid, and make a purchase if everything is legit.
I appreciate the generous sampling portion that was sent, all though it's a shame I didn't get it in my hand until this morning, I have to work tomorrow, so it looks as if tomorrow may be a rough day for me at work, if I see any opportunity at all today, I will be dropping and posting the outcome with my test results for you all, this is something you can be sure of!
FamilyForever could you kindly drop me an encrypted PM explaining the obvious misconstruing of the posted shipping dates with the actual post mark dates, this is something I need to feel comfortable about before placing my order, I'm sure there are all kinds of explanations people could run around with in their brains, but the best one is the truth, we've all been there, if we've got any years of experience in this drug game, and sometimes as they say, "SHIT HAPPENS!", I just need to hear it from you.......... And please don't sell the amount you assured me you would be reserving for me, because once the good reviews start popping up on here, this stuff is going to fly out the door, and it would be a shame to miss out on my reserved order after all this time of patiently waiting!
In the mean time, I will try to sample the product and give the best review possible today,
i hope it's good man. happy tripping bro. i hope!!!
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well, i take it back.
I've been loosely following. i jumped in on the betting hes a scammer train. But it looks like hes coming through, maybe some start up pains....but it seems hes getting there. Guess youre not a scammer. mind you, you cant blame us for thinking you were...
hopefully the tabs are strong and clean. If so, ill be one of the first to eat my words and get me some new tabs. Like the art work by the way.
foreverfamily, hopefully im not jumping the gun. I recon your here to stay, just try and sort your shit out on the time span front and you'll do well here.
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Well here goes..........................!
Me and my long time acid trippin friend "Fat Bob" dropped one hit each 10 mins ago, and I will try to come back and update every once in awhile or until this stuff takes completely over!
Either way Me and Fat Bob are in it for the duration, whatever that may be!
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*Sigh* We're tired of constantly defending ourselves in this thread so well get it all out now. I don't feel like typing a lot right now, this cold kills my joints. So it will be short, sweet and to the point. This crystal does not come from a magical "Family fairy", it does not come in a shiny golden vial marked "FAMILY WHITE FLUFF". It is simply from our local source who has been around forever and provides most of the crystal to our region of the country. It is referred to as white fluff around here, but to us it does not appear 100% snow white. It has more off an off white, silver tinge to us. Therefore, we label it as Silver fluff. This way if we ever decide to offer strictly the crystal, we will not have complaints of it not being perfectly white.
And in reference to our shipping methods. We feel it's really a shame we have to reveal some of our security tactics to prove ourselves to you, but we ship all of our orders a few states away to a friend who has agreed to receive and reship, for a small fee, all of our orders as an extra blanket of security for us. We hoped to not have to reveal this info, but it seems nothing else is going to calm you guys down.
Jesus that's great your samples came in yesterday! We're anxiously awaiting your report back to the thread! :D
--Foreverfamily
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Still no word from Jesus?
--Foreverfamily
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*Sigh* We're tired of constantly defending ourselves in this thread so well get it all out now. I don't feel like typing a lot right now, this cold kills my joints. So it will be short, sweet and to the point. This crystal does not come from a magical "Family fairy", it does not come in a shiny golden vial marked "FAMILY WHITE FLUFF". It is simply from our local source who has been around forever and provides most of the crystal to our region of the country. It is referred to as white fluff around here, but to us it does not appear 100% snow white. It has more off an off white, silver tinge to us. Therefore, we label it as Silver fluff. This way if we ever decide to offer strictly the crystal, we will not have complaints of it not being perfectly white.
And in reference to our shipping methods. We feel it's really a shame we have to reveal some of our security tactics to prove ourselves to you, but we ship all of our orders a few states away to a friend who has agreed to receive and reship, for a small fee, all of our orders as an extra blanket of security for us. We hoped to not have to reveal this info, but it seems nothing else is going to calm you guys down.
Jesus that's great your samples came in yesterday! We're anxiously awaiting your report back to the thread! :D
--Foreverfamily
Re: crystal - that does sound really fuckin' plausible actually ;) sorry for the pedantry...I have a friend who I believe has ordered and I'm starting to think I might have to take up his offer of a taste...
As for the shipping methods - it's kind of disappointing that this has been flushed out of FF - I think anyone with a little imagination could have worked it out. Anyone with ambitions to move the quantities these guys are talking about should be working like that anyway. Maybe that part of the post could edited out soon...
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"Update"
We're about a hour and a half in, and the come up has been real slow, but very smooth, I haven't reported back until now, because I wasn't quite sure I was really feeling anything, but now I'm happy to report, that it's making its way up nicely.
We are starting to get that stupid grin feeling starting to develop in the back of our jaws, and mouth is watering up (a couple of things that have always been tell-tale signs for me).
I've spent the last hour watching the very First broadcast hour from back on August 1st 1980 of MTV..... Back when MTV still played music videos! And then the cid started to build a little on me, it started getting a little bit squirly to watch it anymore (it was kind of screwin with my head!)
So I've now turned on my recently put together component stereo system, old school components I put together from yard sales and good wills, and thrift shops, nothing but the best.......It may be old but it rocks, a set of 12in Sansui speakers ($20 Yard Sale) rocking from a Old School Sony Tuner and Power Amp, I Dont think you can even buy new component systems anymore.
The hit's not kicking our butt but we can definitely feel it.......And we're loving the music at this point.......yea, the jams are sweet! Ahw There's AC/DC Rock N RolL Aint Noise Pollution.......Gotta go, I'll Holla Back!!!
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"Update"
We're about a hour and a half in, and the come up has been real slow, but very smooth, I haven't reported back until now, because I wasn't quite sure I was really feeling anything, but now I'm happy to report, that it's making its way up nicely.
We are starting to get that stupid grin feeling starting to develop in the back of our jaws, and mouth is watering up (a couple of things that have always been tell-tale signs for me).
I've spent the last hour watching the very First broadcast hour from back on August 1st 1980 of MTV..... Back when MTV still played music videos! And then the cid started to build a little on me, it started getting a little bit squirly to watch it anymore (it was kind of screwin with my head!)
So I've now turned on my recently put together component stereo system, old school components I put together from yard sales and good wills, and thrift shops, nothing but the best.......It may be old but it rocks, a set of 12in Sansui speakers ($20 Yard Sale) rocking from a Old School Sony Tuner and Power Amp, I Dont think you can even buy new component systems anymore.
The hit's not kicking our butt but we can definitely feel it.......And we're loving the music at this point.......yea, the jams are sweet! Ahw There's AC/DC Rock N RolL Aint Noise Pollution.......Gotta go, I'll Holla Back!!!
Haha, finally. We're so glad somebody can finally confirm we are legit and we can get back to business! Jesus keep us updated! We love hearing feedback ;D
--Foreverfamily
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"Update"
We're about a hour and a half in, and the come up has been real slow, but very smooth, I haven't reported back until now, because I wasn't quite sure I was really feeling anything, but now I'm happy to report, that it's making its way up nicely.
We are starting to get that stupid grin feeling starting to develop in the back of our jaws, and mouth is watering up (a couple of things that have always been tell-tale signs for me).
I've spent the last hour watching the very First broadcast hour from back on August 1st 1980 of MTV..... Back when MTV still played music videos! And then the cid started to build a little on me, it started getting a little bit squirly to watch it anymore (it was kind of screwin with my head!)
So I've now turned on my recently put together component stereo system, old school components I put together from yard sales and good wills, and thrift shops, nothing but the best.......It may be old but it rocks, a set of 12in Sansui speakers ($20 Yard Sale) rocking from a Old School Sony Tuner and Power Amp, I Dont think you can even buy new component systems anymore.
The hit's not kicking our butt but we can definitely feel it.......And we're loving the music at this point.......yea, the jams are sweet! Ahw There's AC/DC Rock N RolL Aint Noise Pollution.......Gotta go, I'll Holla Back!!!
Sounds like 130 mics of fluff to me :)
Almost excited now...presume my order will arrive tomorrow and I'll now be testing at the end of the week: first reagent test then if that's good, self-administration. Better believe it won't just be one hit though...;)
Rock on, Jesus!!
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"Update"
We're about a hour and a half in, and the come up has been real slow, but very smooth, I haven't reported back until now, because I wasn't quite sure I was really feeling anything, but now I'm happy to report, that it's making its way up nicely.
We are starting to get that stupid grin feeling starting to develop in the back of our jaws, and mouth is watering up (a couple of things that have always been tell-tale signs for me).
I've spent the last hour watching the very First broadcast hour from back on August 1st 1980 of MTV..... Back when MTV still played music videos! And then the cid started to build a little on me, it started getting a little bit squirly to watch it anymore (it was kind of screwin with my head!)
So I've now turned on my recently put together component stereo system, old school components I put together from yard sales and good wills, and thrift shops, nothing but the best.......It may be old but it rocks, a set of 12in Sansui speakers ($20 Yard Sale) rocking from a Old School Sony Tuner and Power Amp, I Dont think you can even buy new component systems anymore.
The hit's not kicking our butt but we can definitely feel it.......And we're loving the music at this point.......yea, the jams are sweet! Ahw There's AC/DC Rock N RolL Aint Noise Pollution.......Gotta go, I'll Holla Back!!!
Sounds like 130 mics of fluff to me :)
Almost excited now...presume my order will arrive tomorrow and I'll now be testing at the end of the week. Better believe it won't just be one hit though ;)
Rock on, Jesus!!
We're pretty confident/excited the rest will be showing up tomorrow ;D
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okay ill be the first to say im sorry man. yeah i was one of those that doubted you. i didn't launch an all out attack but i did think you scammed alot of my fellow silkroaders, and im sorry for thinking that.
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"Update"
We're about a hour and a half in, and the come up has been real slow, but very smooth, I haven't reported back until now, because I wasn't quite sure I was really feeling anything, but now I'm happy to report, that it's making its way up nicely.
We are starting to get that stupid grin feeling starting to develop in the back of our jaws, and mouth is watering up (a couple of things that have always been tell-tale signs for me).
I've spent the last hour watching the very First broadcast hour from back on August 1st 1980 of MTV..... Back when MTV still played music videos! And then the cid started to build a little on me, it started getting a little bit squirly to watch it anymore (it was kind of screwin with my head!)
So I've now turned on my recently put together component stereo system, old school components I put together from yard sales and good wills, and thrift shops, nothing but the best.......It may be old but it rocks, a set of 12in Sansui speakers ($20 Yard Sale) rocking from a Old School Sony Tuner and Power Amp, I Dont think you can even buy new component systems anymore.
The hit's not kicking our butt but we can definitely feel it.......And we're loving the music at this point.......yea, the jams are sweet! Ahw There's AC/DC Rock N RolL Aint Noise Pollution.......Gotta go, I'll Holla Back!!!
Sounds like 130 mics of fluff to me :)
Almost excited now...presume my order will arrive tomorrow and I'll now be testing at the end of the week: first reagent test then if that's good, self-administration. Better believe it won't just be one hit though...;)
Rock on, Jesus!!
Goes right to a nice deep purple/black for us ;D
okay ill be the first to say im sorry man. yeah i was one of those that doubted you. i didn't launch an all out attack but i did think you scammed alot of my fellow silkroaders, and im sorry for thinking that.
Apology accepted. :)
--Foreverfamily
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Glad to see 22 pages wasn't in vain. Look forward to the other reviews, hopefully the product will continue to speak for itself.
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I've reserved judgement until now, but it's starting to sound very hopeful. And at those prices, I'm pretty excited to see if it all ends up well.
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wow! i hope this is as good as it sounds! 8)
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wow! i hope this is as good as it sounds! 8)
We assure you it is ;D Jesus, care to back that up? ;D
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And to get this thread back on track, we're gunna have a little sale ;D
Here's what were gunna do. For the next 48 hours we'll offer an extra incentive for every order.
How's this sound to you guys?
For a 5-strip purchase you will receive an extra 2 tabs.
For a ten-strip purchase you will receive an extra 3 tabs.
For a 25-strip you will receive an extra 7 tabs.
For a half sheet you will get an extra 15 tabs.
And for a full sheet you will get an extra 20.
This will only go on for 48 hours, anybody after that, we're sorry but well have to cut you off :(
Get at it guys!
--Foreverfamily
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Glad to hear from you lightfoot, I took 3 tabs and got a grin and some giggles, but not much more. It was absolutly L though. Eyes super dilated within an hour, clean taste. I'm patiently awaiting my reshipment (I already got my refund... and if this product is legit, FF has the price and customer service to kill all US L vendors) and I'm hoping to see some of lightfoot's results! (times a couple tabs maybe :])
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Glad to hear from you lightfoot, I took 3 tabs and got a grin and some giggles, but not much more. It was absolutly L though. Eyes super dilated within an hour, clean taste. I'm patiently awaiting my reshipment (I already got my refund... and if this product is legit, FF has the price and customer service to kill all US L vendors) and I'm hoping to see some of lightfoot's results! (times a couple tabs maybe :])
Again we apologize for your mishandled/coldspot strip, we're sure your reshipment will make up for it and you'll get a true taste of our product! ;D
--Foreverfamily
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Still no word from Jesus? Must be havin a pretty good time ;D
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"Update"
Close to 3 hours in, and me and Fat Bob have enjoyed the high up to this point very much, it's not really overwhelming at all, and to be truthful it has a real clean feel good high to it, I could really see myself taking just one hit of this acid, and going to about any social function, but it would really enhance a night in the club, the lights and music would be beautiful on this acid, and I can imagine myself smiling and laughing and having a blast!
This Acid is some of the cleanest acid I have ever had the opportunity to drop, no jitters, or overwhelming panic like feelings that you get with some cid, so, for me to say I like this acid very much would be an understatement!
That being said, Anyone who's read my reviews or post in the past, knows that I'm a straight shooter, and I will call it like it is.
As For the claims of this acid being 130mics............. It doesn't come close, and knowing the fact that I have done acid that was government tested at 90mics, I would put this acid below that, not much, but a little, maybe somewhere in the 75-80mic range, and i personally love it, knowing it will get you high enough to enjoy a good clean hit of acid, without being so mind blown that people wouldn't want to carry you anywhere (You've got your crap about you, without having a "Far Out Man!" conversation).
I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that two hits of this acid should put anybody in a solid trip unable to control the laughing and crap, and loving it!
I wanted to give a solid 1 hit review for our community here on SR, and I hope this helps everybody out. I may add tomorrow.
Foreverfamily, you better not sell what you promised to reserve for me man, I'll have the bitcoin in my account tomorrow, and I want the new special I saw posted too!!!!!
Love the way this acid feels, kind of makes you wanna hug someone........."BIG HUGS SR" and much love! The way acid was meant to be!
Keep it Spiritual,
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"Update"
Close to 3 hours in, and me and Fat Bob have enjoyed the high up to this point very much, it's not really overwhelming at all, and to be truthful it has a real clean feel good high to it, I could really see myself taking just one hit of this acid, and going to about any social function, but it would really enhance a night in the club, the lights and music would be beautiful on this acid, and I can imagine myself smiling and laughing and having a blast!
This Acid is some of the cleanest acid I have ever had the opportunity to drop, no jitters, or overwhelming panic like feelings that you get with some cid, so, for me to say I like this acid very much would be an understatement!
That being said, Anyone who's read my reviews or post in the past, knows that I'm a straight shooter, and I will call it like it is.
As For the claims of this acid being 130mics............. It doesn't come close, and knowing the fact that I have done acid that was government tested at 90mics, I would put this acid below that, not much, but a little, maybe somewhere in the 75-80mic range, and i personally love it, knowing it will get you high enough to enjoy a good clean hit of acid, without being so mind blown that people wouldn't want to carry you anywhere (You've got your crap about you, without having a "Far Out Man!" conversation).
I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that two hits of this acid should put anybody in a solid trip unable to control the laughing and crap, and loving it!
I wanted to give a solid 1 hit review for our community here on SR, and I hope this helps everybody out. I may add tomorrow.
Foreverfamily, you better not sell what you promised to reserve for me man, I'll have the bitcoin in my account tomorrow, and I want the new special I saw posted too!!!!!
Love the way this acid feels, kind of makes you wanna hug someone........."BIG HUGS SR" and much love! The way acid was meant to be!
Keep it Spiritual,
Thank you very much for this very detailed honest review! Much better than just a "good shit" or "bad shit" we worried we were going to get. ;D Keep us updated Jesus!
--Foreverfamily
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Only 4 sheets left!
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Only 4 sheets left!
are you still planning on restocking?
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I must say FF, I hope this is how your service always is and not just while you're trying to make a reputation for yourself. Keep it up and you may be very popular very soon.
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Only 4 sheets left!
are you still planning on restocking?
Not on the prints. We'll only have the WoW after this.
And 7 of the 20 sheets for the group buy are already reserved. 8) So let me know if you'd like in, $400 a sheet of wow if we make the 20 sheet mark!
--Foreverfamily
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Will the GB be in escrow?
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Will the GB be in escrow?
Yup.
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"Update on my Update"
Getting ready to lay this body down SR, and I went back and looked at my last update, I don't even know if anyone else caught it, I said that me and Fat Bob were about 3hrs in...........Holy crap!, I just started counting up what time we took the hits vs what time it is now, and noticed that at my last update, we were actually at the 5-5 1/2 hr mark instead of the posted 3hr mark, but anybody who has experience with LSD can attest to the fact that L has the ability to let time screw with you, sometimes you feel like you've been high forever (The trips you wish would end so you could go to bed!), and then there's to times, (whenever you're enjoying yourself) that time flies by! Time really flew by on this trip, and I really enjoyed being level headed enough to review this acid in real time for you guys.
I still have a very strong feeling of love all over, and that has got to be the most beautiful part of this whole trip, easily the most loving and warm spiritual feeling I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing while taking LSD....... And yea Fat Bobs my buddy and all, but this feeling has nothing to do with him, and everything to do with the crystal used to produce this acid, a very beautiful substance indeed! So please convey my remarks to the chemist, and tell them to never stop doing what they're doing, the world needs this beautiful substance! (All we need is Love!)
Well, if I've got it right this time, it is now somewhere around 7hrs into it, and getting very late, Fat Bob has already shoved off to bed, and I believe I may be right behind him, right after I check in on my miniature dachshund who has been in labor this whole time, and if she's still having complications, she may need to go to the vet first thing in the morning, And we start a brand new work week.
Good night SR, and Thank You Foreverfamily for choosing to share this wonderful substance with us here on the Silk Road,
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Great review Jesus! We're glad you enjoyed yourself ;D
And with the special we're offering we're now down to 2 sheets guys, better hurry lol.
--Foreverfamily
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"Update on my Update"
Getting ready to lay this body down SR, and I went back and looked at my last update, I don't even know if anyone else caught it, I said that me and Fat Bob were about 3hrs in...........Holy crap!, I just started counting up what time we took the hits vs what time it is now, and noticed that at my last update, we were actually at the 5-5 1/2 hr mark instead of the posted 3hr mark, but anybody who has experience with LSD can attest to the fact that L has the ability to let time screw with you, sometimes you feel like you've been high forever (The trips you wish would end so you could go to bed!), and then there's to times, (whenever you're enjoying yourself) that time flies by! Time really flew by on this trip, and I really enjoyed being level headed enough to review this acid in real time for you guys.
I still have a very strong feeling of love all over, and that has got to be the most beautiful part of this whole trip, easily the most loving and warm spiritual feeling I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing while taking LSD....... And yea Fat Bobs my buddy and all, but this feeling has nothing to do with him, and everything to do with the crystal used to produce this acid, a very beautiful substance indeed! So please convey my remarks to the chemist, and tell them to never stop doing what they're doing, the world needs this beautiful substance! (All we need is Love!)
Well, if I've got it right this time, it is now somewhere around 7hrs into it, and getting very late, Fat Bob has already shoved off to bed, and I believe I may be right behind him, right after I check in on my miniature dachshund who has been in labor this whole time, and if she's still having complications, she may need to go to the vet first thing in the morning, And we start a brand new work week.
Good night SR, and Thank You Foreverfamily for choosing to share this wonderful substance with us here on the Silk Road,
good for you!!! i love to hear to hear people having good trips.
well FF it looks like you came through. good job. you just may want to get shipping down to a science.
rowdyrasta
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"Update on my Update"
Getting ready to lay this body down SR, and I went back and looked at my last update, I don't even know if anyone else caught it, I said that me and Fat Bob were about 3hrs in...........Holy crap!, I just started counting up what time we took the hits vs what time it is now, and noticed that at my last update, we were actually at the 5-5 1/2 hr mark instead of the posted 3hr mark, but anybody who has experience with LSD can attest to the fact that L has the ability to let time screw with you, sometimes you feel like you've been high forever (The trips you wish would end so you could go to bed!), and then there's to times, (whenever you're enjoying yourself) that time flies by! Time really flew by on this trip, and I really enjoyed being level headed enough to review this acid in real time for you guys.
I still have a very strong feeling of love all over, and that has got to be the most beautiful part of this whole trip, easily the most loving and warm spiritual feeling I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing while taking LSD....... And yea Fat Bobs my buddy and all, but this feeling has nothing to do with him, and everything to do with the crystal used to produce this acid, a very beautiful substance indeed! So please convey my remarks to the chemist, and tell them to never stop doing what they're doing, the world needs this beautiful substance! (All we need is Love!)
Well, if I've got it right this time, it is now somewhere around 7hrs into it, and getting very late, Fat Bob has already shoved off to bed, and I believe I may be right behind him, right after I check in on my miniature dachshund who has been in labor this whole time, and if she's still having complications, she may need to go to the vet first thing in the morning, And we start a brand new work week.
Good night SR, and Thank You Foreverfamily for choosing to share this wonderful substance with us here on the Silk Road,
good for you!!! i love to hear to hear people having good trips.
well FF it looks like you came through. good job. you just may want to get shipping down to a science.
rowdyrasta
We've already covered why the shipping takes longer.
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"Update on my Update"
Getting ready to lay this body down SR, and I went back and looked at my last update, I don't even know if anyone else caught it, I said that me and Fat Bob were about 3hrs in...........Holy crap!, I just started counting up what time we took the hits vs what time it is now, and noticed that at my last update, we were actually at the 5-5 1/2 hr mark instead of the posted 3hr mark, but anybody who has experience with LSD can attest to the fact that L has the ability to let time screw with you, sometimes you feel like you've been high forever (The trips you wish would end so you could go to bed!), and then there's to times, (whenever you're enjoying yourself) that time flies by! Time really flew by on this trip, and I really enjoyed being level headed enough to review this acid in real time for you guys.
I still have a very strong feeling of love all over, and that has got to be the most beautiful part of this whole trip, easily the most loving and warm spiritual feeling I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing while taking LSD....... And yea Fat Bobs my buddy and all, but this feeling has nothing to do with him, and everything to do with the crystal used to produce this acid, a very beautiful substance indeed! So please convey my remarks to the chemist, and tell them to never stop doing what they're doing, the world needs this beautiful substance! (All we need is Love!)
Well, if I've got it right this time, it is now somewhere around 7hrs into it, and getting very late, Fat Bob has already shoved off to bed, and I believe I may be right behind him, right after I check in on my miniature dachshund who has been in labor this whole time, and if she's still having complications, she may need to go to the vet first thing in the morning, And we start a brand new work week.
Good night SR, and Thank You Foreverfamily for choosing to share this wonderful substance with us here on the Silk Road,
good for you!!! i love to hear to hear people having good trips.
well FF it looks like you came through. good job. you just may want to get shipping down to a science.
rowdyrasta
We've already covered why the shipping takes longer.
cool, then can i get a sample? im just messin with you. i'll take the plunge and ill be getting some this week sometime as long as im not blacklisted still. lol
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"Update on my Update"
Getting ready to lay this body down SR, and I went back and looked at my last update, I don't even know if anyone else caught it, I said that me and Fat Bob were about 3hrs in...........Holy crap!, I just started counting up what time we took the hits vs what time it is now, and noticed that at my last update, we were actually at the 5-5 1/2 hr mark instead of the posted 3hr mark, but anybody who has experience with LSD can attest to the fact that L has the ability to let time screw with you, sometimes you feel like you've been high forever (The trips you wish would end so you could go to bed!), and then there's to times, (whenever you're enjoying yourself) that time flies by! Time really flew by on this trip, and I really enjoyed being level headed enough to review this acid in real time for you guys.
I still have a very strong feeling of love all over, and that has got to be the most beautiful part of this whole trip, easily the most loving and warm spiritual feeling I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing while taking LSD....... And yea Fat Bobs my buddy and all, but this feeling has nothing to do with him, and everything to do with the crystal used to produce this acid, a very beautiful substance indeed! So please convey my remarks to the chemist, and tell them to never stop doing what they're doing, the world needs this beautiful substance! (All we need is Love!)
Well, if I've got it right this time, it is now somewhere around 7hrs into it, and getting very late, Fat Bob has already shoved off to bed, and I believe I may be right behind him, right after I check in on my miniature dachshund who has been in labor this whole time, and if she's still having complications, she may need to go to the vet first thing in the morning, And we start a brand new work week.
Good night SR, and Thank You Foreverfamily for choosing to share this wonderful substance with us here on the Silk Road,
good for you!!! i love to hear to hear people having good trips.
well FF it looks like you came through. good job. you just may want to get shipping down to a science.
rowdyrasta
We've already covered why the shipping takes longer.
cool, then can i get a sample? im just messin with you. i'll take the plunge and ill be getting some this week sometime as long as im not blacklisted still. lol
We accepted your apology. We're still waiting for one from a few others also... 8)
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"Update on my Update"
Getting ready to lay this body down SR, and I went back and looked at my last update, I don't even know if anyone else caught it, I said that me and Fat Bob were about 3hrs in...........Holy crap!, I just started counting up what time we took the hits vs what time it is now, and noticed that at my last update, we were actually at the 5-5 1/2 hr mark instead of the posted 3hr mark, but anybody who has experience with LSD can attest to the fact that L has the ability to let time screw with you, sometimes you feel like you've been high forever (The trips you wish would end so you could go to bed!), and then there's to times, (whenever you're enjoying yourself) that time flies by! Time really flew by on this trip, and I really enjoyed being level headed enough to review this acid in real time for you guys.
I still have a very strong feeling of love all over, and that has got to be the most beautiful part of this whole trip, easily the most loving and warm spiritual feeling I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing while taking LSD....... And yea Fat Bobs my buddy and all, but this feeling has nothing to do with him, and everything to do with the crystal used to produce this acid, a very beautiful substance indeed! So please convey my remarks to the chemist, and tell them to never stop doing what they're doing, the world needs this beautiful substance! (All we need is Love!)
Well, if I've got it right this time, it is now somewhere around 7hrs into it, and getting very late, Fat Bob has already shoved off to bed, and I believe I may be right behind him, right after I check in on my miniature dachshund who has been in labor this whole time, and if she's still having complications, she may need to go to the vet first thing in the morning, And we start a brand new work week.
Good night SR, and Thank You Foreverfamily for choosing to share this wonderful substance with us here on the Silk Road,
good for you!!! i love to hear to hear people having good trips.
well FF it looks like you came through. good job. you just may want to get shipping down to a science.
rowdyrasta
We've already covered why the shipping takes longer.
cool, then can i get a sample? im just messin with you. i'll take the plunge and ill be getting some this week sometime as long as im not blacklisted still. lol
We accepted your apology. We're still waiting for one from a few others also... 8)
cool man, ill be talking to you later this week. thanks
rowdyrasta
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Glad to hear FF is shaping up to be a solid vendor.
Has anyone tried both FF and LSDirect's product?
They seem to be about the same quality and roughly same price.
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Glad to hear FF is shaping up to be a solid vendor.
Has anyone tried both FF and LSDirect's product?
They seem to be about the same quality and roughly same price.
LSDirect doesn't seem to have any product listed at the moment and I believe our prices are considerably lower...
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Glad to hear FF is shaping up to be a solid vendor.
Has anyone tried both FF and LSDirect's product?
They seem to be about the same quality and roughly same price.
LSDirect doesn't seem to have any product listed at the moment and I believe our prices are considerably lower...
Know that you've got lower prices, hence why I said roughly :)
I'm not buying sheets, max 5 or so tabs at a time, and you're definitely cheaper on this retail level.
And you seem to have your supply chain in order, so consistent listings.
Just wanted to get an idea of apples-to-apples quality.
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i tried LSDirect's mickey mouse blotters and they were awesome. BUT this was the middle of last month and i've been hearing his hits are weak which wasn't the case last month i will vouch for his mickey mouse hit's. ill be ordering FF's later this week so how ill review them when i get them.
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i tried LSDirect's mickey mouse blotters and they were awesome. BUT this was the middle of last month and i've been hearing his hits are weak which wasn't the case last month i will vouch for his mickey mouse hit's. ill be ordering FF's later this week so how ill review them when i get them.
Yeah I had mickey's around same time, looking forward to your thoughts on FF's tabs.
Sorry if I'm hogging your thread FF, didn't intend to :)
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i tried LSDirect's mickey mouse blotters and they were awesome. BUT this was the middle of last month and i've been hearing his hits are weak which wasn't the case last month i will vouch for his mickey mouse hit's. ill be ordering FF's later this week so how ill review them when i get them.
Yeah I had mickey's around same time, looking forward to your thoughts on FF's tabs.
Sorry if I'm hogging your thread FF, didn't intend to :)
your not hogging anyones thread man. if you have a question ask. and ill give an detailed review once i try FFs' well after i sample some shrooms this week. ;D so it'll be next week til i eat FFs' acid.
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Good to see happy ending once in while!
Hmm, nice resell value on these sheets around my parts. Hope to see more group buys in the future, coz I'm broke at the moment:/
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Mmmm.... I wish I had me 400 hundred bucks. this stuff sounds like heaven. I'll be pickin some up this thursday fosho.
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will you ship to the EU?
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Got my order just now - with VERY generous extras Thanks FF!!
I'll be testing at the end of the week and will post a detailed review.
Any response to Jesus' comments about the dosage FF? I must say it concerned me a little given the size of my order, even with the very generous extras...I guess I'll be able to feed back into that discussion after I've tested.
This may have no relevance at all to your situation, but in my experience of online sourcing, degradation of blotters in the mail is a perennial and very unpredictable issue. I tend to favor vacuum sealing but others don't.
Very happy that this looks to be going good.
Gotta run!
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Got my order just now - with VERY generous extras Thanks FF!!
I'll be testing at the end of the week and will post a detailed review.
Any response to Jesus' comments about the dosage FF? I must say it concerned me a little given the size of my order, even with the very generous extras...I guess I'll be able to feed back into that discussion after I've tested.
This may have no relevance at all to your situation, but in my experience of online sourcing, degradation of blotters in the mail is a perennial and very unpredictable issue. I tend to favor vacuum sealing but others don't.
Very happy that this looks to be going good.
Gotta run!
We're already contemplating a few other methods of shipping to hopefully correct this problem.. Another thought that crossed our mind is that the purity of this crystal gives a very smooth and clean trip minus a lot of negative effects, so we're curious if this lack of other features to a trip effected Jesus' decision on the dosage of the tabs?
Also, just curious when you planned on competing your order Light, you said you've received your package already? There's a decent little chunk of change sittin in escrow and the sooner we have access to it, the sooner we can purchase our new supply for the group buy ;D
--Foreverfamily
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Like I said a couple of times guys, I will complete once I've had a chance to test my own order, which will be on Friday.
I'm sorry about the wait but if I'd received it in time for either of the last two weekends then I would have been able to test it then.
As you say - there is a chunk of change sitting there, and I can't release it just because we've had one good review so far, with the best will in the world. It wouldn't be at all unusual for a scammer to send out some good samples and then pressure someone with a big order to complete early. I'm really sorry to put it this way and I know how frustrating this must be for you presuming everything is completely legit. But that's the way it is: it's gone down like that before I'm afraid.
Like I said to you before - I did actually clear the past two weekends at some inconvenience to myself in order to free up time to test and it wasn't my fault that the order didn't come for either of those weekends, so I think it's fair enough for me to get a few days grace now.
I understand the pressure to release funds for the group buy which is why I''m going to make the test just as soon as I possibly can: I don' think a couple of days is going to kill anybody at this stage though.
Your comments about the crystal / dosage are fair enough - very clear crystal CAN feel less intense at lower dosages. I'll be reporting back on a 3-hit trip on Friday and we'll see then :)
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Cancel the group buy ($400/sheet WoW) guys. We had a window of opportunity for it and it looks like we're not going to be able to make it now. All prices will stay the same ($450/sheet print $650/sheet WoW) and the extra tabs sale ends in 24 hours. Thanks.
--Foreverfamily
Lightfoot, Didn't you say you had a reagent test ready for this situation? Why not select a few random tabs from each sheet and use that?
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Cancel the group buy ($400/sheet WoW) guys. We had a window of opportunity for it and it looks like we're not going to be able to make it now. All prices will stay the same ($450/sheet print $650/sheet WoW) and the extra tabs sale ends in 24 hours. Thanks.
--Foreverfamily
Lightfoot, Didn't you say you had a reagent test ready for this situation? Why not select a few random tabs from each sheet and use that?
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This may have no relevance at all to your situation, but in my experience of online sourcing, degradation of blotters in the mail is a perennial and very unpredictable issue. I tend to favor vacuum sealing but others don't.
I believe that might have been my issue :/
Edit: Just to point out yet again; FF made my issue 200% better. Re-ship and refund. Best customer service I've ever received in my whole life.
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This may have no relevance at all to your situation, but in my experience of online sourcing, degradation of blotters in the mail is a perennial and very unpredictable issue. I tend to favor vacuum sealing but others don't.
I believe that might have been my issue :/
Edit: Just to point out yet again; FF made my issue 200% better. Re-ship and refund. Best customer service I've ever received in my whole life.
Thank you chalk, it's a shame we're not gunna be able to go through with this group buy. :( We were really excited for it.
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$350 a sheet guys! Only 20 available, check it out! ;D
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=9567.0
--Foreverfamily
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Well, IF this does turn out good, and this is anything like the WoW I've been getting lately from a local supplier, I might start buying quantity from ya, FF. You also have some prints? Are the prints the same quality or weaker than the WoW (I'm sure it's probably weaker, right? Considering the price). Anyway, I'm hoping this shit turns out good. And I definitely don't want to have to wait 2 weeks for my shit to arrive, that's for sure. I would need it in a week at the absolute longest.
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It has already been reviewed and it is most definitely good. Also, we have made a few changes to our shipping technique so orders will not take that long again.
--Foreverfamily
Don't forget to check out our $350/sheet sale goin on until Wednesday!
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=9567.0
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Any chance you would sell any crystal? Maybe just enough for a thumbprint?
If not a tiny thumbprint dose, would you just sell my sheet or vial to me as 10mg crystal?
It's been on my bucket list for a while and not being "family" affiliated, I figure SR is the closest I may ever come.
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Any chance you would sell any crystal? Maybe just enough for a thumbprint?
If not a tiny thumbprint dose, would you just sell my sheet or vial to me as 10mg crystal?
It's been on my bucket list for a while and not being "family" affiliated, I figure SR is the closest I may ever come.
I don't think you know what you're getting yourself into... You know you'll be out of commission for a good week or two? You'll basically be a new born baby the first few days..
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Any chance you would sell any crystal? Maybe just enough for a thumbprint?
If not a tiny thumbprint dose, would you just sell my sheet or vial to me as 10mg crystal?
It's been on my bucket list for a while and not being "family" affiliated, I figure SR is the closest I may ever come.
I don't think you know what you're getting yourself into... You know you'll be out of commission for a good week or two? You'll basically be a new born baby the first few days..
Yes sir, have read and heard about printing for most my adult life, always fucking intrigued the hell out of me. I am down for the experience and have people to babysit me while I die and get reborn. I'm ready for that shit more than anything in life. I'm not going to cover my whole thumb either, I was thinking of going new school with a needlepoint really.
So FF, first time I've talked to ya, I assume you have printed given the nature of your response?
Glad to see you're really legit, from the way it looks. Keep it up and you'll do just fine around here. deuces
toker
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Just made a half sheet purchase, can't wait to see how it is :) FF is the 50 hits + 15 offer still avaliable?? Thanks again! Knew you had it in yuh! ;D
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Just made a half sheet purchase, can't wait to see how it is :) FF is the 50 hits + 15 offer still avaliable?? Thanks again! Knew you had it in yuh! ;D
Most definitely is until tomorrow at 6. ;D
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Gnarly! I will review the product when it arrives as well :) Is the product vaccuum sealed? I have been getting lots of rain where I am lately, I dont want the blotters to get diluted :/
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Does anyone know how many mics the WoW and print are respectively? Are they laid with the same crystal?
I scanned the thread but couldn't find this info, though it's long :)
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Sorry, this might sound like a stupid question (Just recently got interested in acid after doing a lot of other hallucinogens) what's the difference between the print and WoW?
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Does cancelling an order hurt our vendor rating?
--Foreverfamily
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FF asked the question about the removal of some of the negative aspects.
Aprox 2 weeks ago, Me and Fat Bob started out our evening with 1 hit of "Ganesha/Budha" double sided prints that was supposed to have been EU Govt tested @ 90mics purchased from Asbjorn, and I have no reason to doubt the legitimacy of these 90mic claims. At about 1 hr in, the results were very mild, but we could feel the effects of the acid for sure, and at 2hrs mark, not thinking it was quite enough, and being the"Old School Acid Heads" we are, we decided to drop a second hit.....Bing....Bam....Boom!
If you care to read anymore, you can read my posts in the following thread:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=6991.75
My reason for bringing up this last trip for me is to make a comparison. The Ganesha/Budhas were good but is was easily distinguishable crystal, this crystal that I tested for FF last night did not have any of what I would consider negative aspects to it as compared to the Ganesha/Budhas such as the medium, but not heavy body load, nor did it have any of the looming panic or anxiety feelings associated with it. Non of which plays down how good the Ganesha/Budhas are, they are just different crystal! (Call it like it is!)
So yes, I can very easily say, that this was a refreshingly major factor in how much I liked this acid.
I also had the opportunity to purchase some of LSDirects "Mickey Mouse Fantasia" acid, and it was sold to me as 170mics, and when I took a hit of it, it was very comparable to this acid in strength, something which upset me, simply because it was advertised at 170mics, and it was more like 65-75mics in strength, the following weekend I and a group of about 4 more people took @ 2hits each of it and was quite pleased with the results. The negative in comparison to this acid, is that the crystal didn't seem to be quite as clean as this, and it also had some of the looming panic like feel to it at times, whereas this acid does not,
As far as price,
Ganesha/Budhas: (very good acid/properly advertised strength/a bit edgy feeling/fair prices)I believe I paid about $5.50 a hit for a 60hit order, and I believe he is around $7.50 a hit for that same amount now.
Mickey Mouse: (good acid/not properly advertised strength/slightly edgy feeling/over priced) I believe I paid $200 for 20hits.
FF's Prints (Myian Calendar I think): (very clean, smooth, lovely crystal, a little weak from advertised strength/AND THE FREAKING PRICE......DUDE!!!)
Very Comparable to the strength of the Mickey Mouse, but the price and clean crystal is what makes this acid so good comparably!
Oh, and I woke up this morning feeling wonderful and refreshed, with I believe a new lease on life!......
And yea, my weenie dog had to have a c-section today for those of you who were wondering, 6 pups, 4 which survived, Two chocolates 1 male, 1 female, and two black and tans, 1 male, 1 female, the pups are doing good, but the mama's have a hard go of it, we'll see in the morning, c-section set me back $300!
Keep It Spiritual,
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<short essay>
Hi Everyone, here's some light reading:
I am the international order that finalised half upfront at the beginning, when FF first bought a vendor's account. I did this for my own reasons. I've been keeping track of this thread, and am glad to see that things are coming through now, even if slowly. FF, my apologies for the occasional PM'ing harassment.
I have to say that while I understand people never like a scammer (and are sick of scammers targeting the love we all have for this beautiful molecule) I am a little disappointed that such a volume of cuntish behaviour spilled out so quickly, openly and repeatedly. I say this not to abuse or insult anyone, but simply to state my feelings on the matter. I admit, I too was worried. VERY worried at numerous stages. At one point I felt like brutally slandering FF via PM, feedback and this forum, as well as demanding an immediate refund of my half-money in escrow. However, I did not do this because even though I can't afford to lose the amount of money I finalised upfront, a little Faith goes quite a ways. A little Love and a little Patience go even further. All together it's a combo I like to call LFP - and it's a combo that has almost always served me, personally, extremely well in life. (FWIW the one time it didn't serve me well was in the face of unrecognised institutionalised Pure Evil + Corruption. Keeping the Faith still helped me come out on top in the long run, though.)
How did I keep a little faith in FF? Communication. Both ways. FF always responded to my concerns. I am away from my safe addy and have tasked an associate with suitable checking, retrieval & storage until my return in many days time. To allow for this, I submitted a resolution of approx. 40 day extension to the remaining half-money in escrow and FF accepted without complaint. Sure, this may have been part of a scam tactic, but that little bit of Faith and Patience came in handy as it now appears people have started receiving their orders, and things look to be somewhat on the up with this new vendor. It might be a slow up, but Up is Up. Unless you're upside down, but fuck that.
More honest & helpful reviews are, of course, necessary to increase the faith. In people's own time. Many thanks to those who have posted descriptions/reviews thus far.
My likely unnecessary rambling aside - FF, do your utmost to prove (rather, keep proving) your legitimacy to all of us, and the love you receive will hopefully make up for the douches that are, unfortunately, abundant throughout the world. SR isn't my normal source of L, but I'm very keen to experience the FF print so as soon as I return to my normal realm, I'm hitting that L like a fat kid beating on a cake thief. Even though it will be some time before this happens, I'll still try to post an objective overview of my thoughts on the product. Primarily because I believe in helpful contributions. And, well, I like words (as evidenced by this post).
Please keep it Real, FF, and please send the Faithful among us (and those apologetic of past mis-speaks [up to you, of course]) on many a great Journey.
Cheers,
afh
PS. Did anyone else get LysanderSpooner's ""150µg LSD Blotter Teddy Bear's Picnic"" when it was available? If so, and you also got Print from FF, I would be interested to read your thoughts on how the two compare & differ. TIA to any readers who respond.
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Little something else I wanted to add about what may have played a part on the strength of these tabs........14 plus hour setting in a mailbox on a rainy day I might add!
And to the other poster who had very bad experience with multiple hits, I don't know how true it is, but I've always heard that chlorinated water would instantly kill LSD, I wouldn't know this for sure because I've never put the myth to the test, I don't even drink cool aid, or iced tea that has been prepared with chlorinated water, BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY I THINK! But I would love to hear if this myth is true, from someone who has real scientific knowledge about the matter.
Just thought I'd throw that in there, as a possible reason for the weird results that's all.
@Foreverfamily, I've got the MP card in my pocket, but didn't get with my go-to BTC guy early enough today, had a lot going on man, and like they say "Shit Happens", but I definitely get right tomorrow, if all the planets align, and if they don't, it must not be in the cards for me i guess! (Part of that new lease on life I guess!)
Keep It Spiritual,
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I did drink mountain dew... But i've never had that effect my trip I don't think.
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Naw, Mt Dew Shouldn't have been a problem. :)
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Yea, Mt. Dew should have had no effect at all. They were most likely just a cold spot on the sheet or mishandled and your replacements are on the way! :D
--Foreverfamily
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Nothing in the box today :'(
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Nothing in the box today :'(
If you don't receive anything tomorrow red we will priority you a 10-strip. :D Sound fair?
--Foreverfamily
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Nothing in the box today :'(
If you don't receive anything tomorrow red we will priority you a 10-strip. :D Sound fair?
--Foreverfamily
It is fair by my standard but by yours? How much of a hit can you take??? a 10 stip is a-lot of give out for free.. I am looking to solve some problems in my life so this lsd should help shed some light on the issues I face :) and for later problems I will return 8)
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Nothing in the box today :'(
If you don't receive anything tomorrow red we will priority you a 10-strip. :D Sound fair?
--Foreverfamily
It is fair by my standard but by yours? How much of a hit can you take??? a 10 stip is a-lot of give out for free.. I am looking to solve some problems in my life so this lsd should help shed some light on the issues I face :) and for later problems I will return 8)
10-Strip on the way first thing tomorrow am, if you need anyone to talk about your problems with brother, we're here ;D
--ForeverFAMILY
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I have not been following the thread but has everybody gotten their samples? I did not get mine, which is nbd but if everybody else has and it checks out then I am happy that there is more acid flowing. :-)
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Yeah, I'm placing my first order with this guy. Love is what I've been wanting since I first came to this place, and this is the only guy selling it at a good price with good ratings. Just need Sugar Mama to respond so I know I'll get my damn bitcoins by tonight. I don't wanna rush to get a moneypak if I can't order these and have it by the weekend. I kinda need my cash by the weekend or product.
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Well we just got back with the WoW for the group buy. ;D All of the sheets are completely unperforated so would you guys like them perforated for you or left as is?
--Foreverfamily
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I think perforated would lead to more responsible and/or honest situations but personally I'd be happy with either.
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Personally I really prefer unperfed WoW. It's less obvious what it is, and for that reason, easier to transport. If you write a fake phone number on it, it just becomes another piece of paper in your wallet...
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anyone else think this is LEO harvesting addresses?
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anyone else think this is LEO harvesting addresses?
Lol, yes we're the police, even though we've already sent out over 8 sheets and our product has been reviewed by multiple people...
--Foreverfamily
You posted this in our other thread also... what gives?
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Haters gonna hate Family.
Maybe in the coming weeks you'll have some decent priced sheets cause I can't make this sale :)
Good wishes! 8)
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Unperforated. You should be able to tell by measuring it that it's the correct amount. It's really simple. Paper is ALWAYS 2 and a half inches by 2 and a half inches. Each hit measuring a quarter inch by quarter inch. So just measure your paper when you get it.
I'm so disappointed I wasn't able to scoop up on this deal. =( I was extremely excited about this. Is there any chance a deal like this might come back soon, FF?
And FF isn't LEO. Lmao. Nobody would have actually gotten any product, especially ones that turned out good, and people would be disappearing like flies from buying it.
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Looks like unperfed it is.
--Foreverfamily
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Put an order in, told me it will ship tomorrow. Let's see how this goes!
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Put an order in, told me it will ship tomorrow. Let's see how this goes!
Be sure to give us a detailed report! ;D
--Foreverfamily
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without revealing any particular shipping info, you guys gotten DCN?
the order is already placed, and the trust is already there, so it's sortof a moot point, just curious!
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anyone else think this is LEO harvesting addresses?
Nah man, you got it all wrong...
I heard FamilyForever actually killed Colonel Mustard in the Lounge Room, with the Candlestick..
Thats all I got ;)
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wow, my planets are majorly misaligned - would love to go for your special offer, but sadly not payday until Monday :( if this stuff is as good as the dancing bears then I'm all over it. I've kinda skip read this thread - do you ship to UK and has anyone in UK received yet? :-X
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I was intently watching this thread over the past 2 weeks or so, until my internet went out for a couple days, and I gotta say, what a happy ending to this story, haha. As someone who trash talked you at first FF, I apologize, and I gotta hand it to you man, you are one persistent mother fucker! Good to see that not every new vendor is a scammer, you have restored my faith in SR FF. =]
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I placed an order of a half sheet IN ESCROW. So hopefully things will work to its best :) It was sent out yesterday, I will update when it arrives :)
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Have an order in escrow. Was shipped yesterday.
If FF is LEO (which I doubt he is) I love you guys and goodbye.
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Put an order in, told me it will ship tomorrow. Let's see how this goes!
Be sure to give us a detailed report! ;D
--Foreverfamily
Oh of course. It's the least I can do for you wonderful vendors :)
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I too have an order in. Was supposed to ship today, but haven't heard back from em yet, and it still says processing. Can't wait to get it! I will keep you all updated.
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I had a friend test 1 of the print tabs from FF. He didn't give me much detail, but he said he felt great though the visuals were lacking. He said they were slightly weaker than the hoffmans that mitanox recently had up. I'm thinking from the sound of it, 2 hits would be a pretty decent trip. Thanks for coming through FF. I will try to get more info, or do a self-test soon
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No lsd yet.. awaiting eagerly@!
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No lsd yet.. awaiting eagerly@!
Would you like to be a tester of the new WoW for the group buy then? ;D
--FF
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No lsd yet.. awaiting eagerly@!
Would you like to be a tester of the new WoW for the group buy then? ;D
--FF
yeah I would test it of course... who would deny such an offer :P
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I'm also receiving some WoWs which i will test immedeately too. actually, imma test the WoW, since they're stonger, i'll let my friends test the prints.
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So! Who out of 27 pages and 2 weeks of posts has got their yummy LSD yet???
Well if you had read you would know the answer to this.... YES PEOPLE HAVE RECEIVED THEIR ORDERS! Furthermore One person did a very detailed review for everyone, and I left a very undetailed review as well. It is definitely LSD, This is not a scam. FF IS THE REAL DEAL
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jtemp I wasn't meaning to start annomosity, sorry but it didn't seem like you had read the thread or else there seems no reason to post asking if people received anything. Also I feel bad that so many people are giving a new vendor such a hard time, especially one that has proven to not be a scammer. Too many people remark on this forum about vendors they haven't even tried, it's starting to get really annoying filtering through everything. However, it is always nice to see a happy ending to a new vendor. I've been scammed (funinapackage) and it sucks! So I hope the best for all new legit vendors and if they carry product I want, I'll give them a shot. If anyone is skeptical about going through a new vendor than keep an eye on them and see what people who have ordered from them have to say about the product before ordering
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sorry guys. the review i read seemed to say something about eating 3 hits and ready to fall asleep after an hour or two. that doesn't sound like good dose to me.just saying.....
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Jtemp seems to be upset since we asked him not to message us 8 times a day daily, asking the most random/meaningless quesions, or just spouting off random childish phrases. Still have all 5 pages of messages to prove it ;)
And Jerry the review you read has already been determined to be a mishandled 10-strip. A reship and 100% refund was given and the rest of our reviews are completely positive. ;D
--FF
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Well it seems we are already being taken advantage of and being held hostage by a buyer. We are not going to name any names but this person claims to have taken 3 hits to no effect(who takes 3 hits of unknown lsd their first time with that batch). He has also tried saying they gave him a bitter taste (Trying to imply they are rcs) when other members have already tested and stated that they are completely clean tasting and most definitely legit lsd tabs. Everybody's order will still go out as planned but we are done with this place once everything is wrapped up. If this is the sort of community this is then we want no part of it. We tried offering you all a great service and a few of you just had to take advantage of it. Now you've ruined it for everybody. Goodbye all.
EDIT: Haha, he is offering to post a fully reviewed 5 star feedback if we refund him his entire order! If this was an honest customer who was truly not happy with their order they would not be thinking of things like this. They would be more interested in getting their order fixed. Not 100% of their money back and willing to lie to the community about their rating.
--FF
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lol, gummy bears 2.0
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bye ff
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Is this really how you guys treat all vendors? We have done absolutely everything in our power to make sure EVERY ONE of you was happy and to prove to you our legitimacy. Yet you still insist upon crucifying us every chance you get. We joined here believing this was a loving trusting community and would be a great place to bring our business too. You have all proved us wrong and we have no ambition to stay any longer.
Those of you who were honest and were kind enough to look past the instigators, we thank you. Maybe we will meet again someday, some other place.
-FF
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This is the pm we received from the buyer.
The news is not good . Whatever happend to gogoggins hits has happened to my entire order. These have been tested today by me, by a friend, by another contact who is an SR member who is well known from the OVDB community. 3 hits each all from different parts of different sheets. All results the same. There's maybe 15-20 micrograms per hit on these things. 3 hits = maybe 50 mics. I would say it probably is clean acid but I wouldn't swear that it's not a low dose of some unfamiliar RC. The bitter taste on the blotter would ring alarm bells for many.
4 hours in and I'm not in good shape to write a lot - there's certainly something there. Probably clean acid. But it isn't more than half a normal hit.
I'm willing to accept that this is all the result of some kind of mistake. You wanna transfer to me the full 925 +150 = 1075 then I'll go ahead and finalize (so you'll get what's in escrow) and leave good 5 star feedback and put a positive account in the thread. You wanna take it to SR admin for resolution well we can do it that way too.
You guys be the judge.
--FF
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Hey FF,
I'll follow up with a PM, but in case you run away before checking your messages, just wanted to say that I definitely *don't* have a stick up my ass, I trust you, and I'd love to order if you're in supply and can ship quickly. I believe in the power of humanity, and thus I'm not going to make a big stink about escrow either.
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Is this really how you guys treat all vendors? We have done absolutely everything in our power to make sure EVERY ONE of you was happy and to prove to you our legitimacy. Yet you still insist upon crucifying us every chance you get. We joined here believing this was a loving trusting community and would be a great place to bring our business too. You have all proved us wrong and we have no ambition to stay any longer.
Those of you who were honest and were kind enough to look past the instigators, we thank you. Maybe we will meet again someday, some other place.
-FF
So.. whats going on..?
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Actually what better way to prove he his lying than this. The first 10 people with over 150 pots to respond will receive a free tab. If any of you have the same experience as him then we will refund him 100%. We're doing this because we know it will prove without a shadow of a doubt that he is trying to take advantage of our new status as a seller and trying to get over on us.
-FF
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Actually what better way to prove he his lying than this. The first 10 people with over 150 pots to respond will receive a free tab. If any of you have the same experience as him then we will refund him 100%. We're doing this because we know it will prove without a shadow of a doubt that he is trying to take advantage of our new status as a seller and trying to get over on us.
-FF
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Well thanks :D, hopefully in the end this will work out.
Karma.. is it real?
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Actually what better way to prove he his lying than this. The first 10 people with over 150 pots to respond will receive a free tab. If any of you have the same experience as him then we will refund him 100%. We're doing this because we know it will prove without a shadow of a doubt that he is trying to take advantage of our new status as a seller and trying to get over on us.
-FF
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You're in mate.
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You're in mate.
Well that's generous of you, I'd really appreciate it! Seeing as you seem to be quite the honest vendor, do you think one would be enough for much of a trip off of or should I go find a few BTC for a second tab?
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You're in mate.
Well that's generous of you, I'd really appreciate it! Seeing as you seem to be quite the honest vendor, do you think one would be enough for much of a trip off of or should I go find a few BTC for a second tab?
We will make sure you have enough for a very enjoyable ride ;D
--FF
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Does this include Canadians with over 150 posts?
I think I would be a good judge of potency, and I'm at least honest.
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This is the pm we received from the buyer.
The news is not good . Whatever happend to gogoggins hits has happened to my entire order. These have been tested today by me, by a friend, by another contact who is an SR member who is well known from the OVDB community. 3 hits each all from different parts of different sheets. All results the same. There's maybe 15-20 micrograms per hit on these things. 3 hits = maybe 50 mics. I would say it probably is clean acid but I wouldn't swear that it's not a low dose of some unfamiliar RC. The bitter taste on the blotter would ring alarm bells for many.
4 hours in and I'm not in good shape to write a lot - there's certainly something there. Probably clean acid. But it isn't more than half a normal hit.
I'm willing to accept that this is all the result of some kind of mistake. You wanna transfer to me the full 925 +150 = 1075 then I'll go ahead and finalize (so you'll get what's in escrow) and leave good 5 star feedback and put a positive account in the thread. You wanna take it to SR admin for resolution well we can do it that way too.
You guys be the judge.
--FF
Okay well here we go folks.
Here is the story in full.
I always thought FF sounded possibly legit, so I was willing to give them a good try so long as I stayed in escrow. The week they first appeared on the scene was the week the BTC value shot up, so when I found myself holding a few hundred that I hadn't been expecting, I agreed to loan them the 150 they needed to set up the seller account. In return they offered me what at the time seemed like a very sweet deal on 2.5 sheets (1075 total =925 to pay because I had already loaned them the 150) which I took. Of course they have been offering much lower prices since then, but I didn't know that was gonna happen. They actually sent me 3 sheets which was very nice.
As we all know, the orders took a very long time to arrive, and I finally got mine Monday. This was 13 days after it was first marked in transit. Despite it having been made very clear that I wasn't willing to pay for the merchandise without trying it, and despite the fact that as soon as it did arrive I indicated that I would be testing it today, FF immediately began to pressure me to finalize sooner. Remember all that hysteria about how 'one inconsiderate buyer was going to ruin the group buy for everybody'?. Please.
So anyway, I did what I said I was gonna do. In fact I did better than that. On Tuesday I vac sealed 3 hits (one from each sheet) and UPS expressed them to a friend of mine in Europe who is sometimes active here but was much more active on OVDB (he uses the nym sitdown on both forums) and who a few people know to be fairly knowledgeable about LSD, so he could test them today too. I got up very early today (I'm on Pacific time) so that we could drop around the same time and compare notes.
For the record - we have both been taking LSD for decades. I had another friend with me who is less experienced but has tripped plenty of times. We each took 1 hit each from each sheet, and from different parts of the sheets.
And you wanna know what happened?
Well - surprise, surprise, - pretty much what you might expect, given the reports so far.
Before I tell you, please note that so far we have had two reports. One was from someone who actually paid money (gogoggins), who received a ten-strip of blotters which don't seem to have had more than 15 mics on each of them. One was from Jesustwice who received a sample which he estimated at around 75 mics per hit. Please note that at this point in the story, nobody has actually received more than 2 hits that evidently did anything (what HAS happened to the TEN samples that were supposedly mailed out FF? Cos so far only Jesus even seems to have received one...)
So what happened to us. Well, we each had a trip which was what you would expect from around 50 mics: about half what you would get from a standard-issue GDF hit as distributed by vendors such as Munchies or the late-lamented enelysion of OVDB. Please note that this was from THREE HITS CONSUMED AT THE SAME TIME. At times I wondered if it WAS LSD - the blotter tasted very bitter, and it was overall just too weak to be sure that it wasn't some RC with which I'm unfamiliar - but the blotter did have very colorful ink on it, which is the probably reason, and now that it's all over I would say the time-frame and effects were about right for a very weak acid experience: early body high effects after maybe 40 minutes, about 2-3 hours to peak, maybe 7 hours in total.
You want details of the effects? Pleasant body high, nice responsiveness to music, very difficult to concentrate, impossible to read or type for at least a couple of hours, meditation very enjoyable. Visuals? LOL - no. Some nice sparkly enhancement of colors and appreciation of light, but no real surface patterns and only barely detectable tracers. Overall it felt like 50 mics of very nice clean crystal. But only 50 mics. From 3 hits taken at one time together. Which would be entirely consistent with the only other report from someone who actually paid for some hits and received them.
I knew these guys were anxious for the report, so yeah, about 4 hours in, as soon as I could get it together, I wrote the above message. I really don't see the problem, because I know for a fact that this is exactly the way they worked it with gogoggins. They refunded his money directly so that he wouldn't have to have a refund on his buyer record, and he finalized and left good feedback explaining the situation. So...given that I know that this is exactly what happened with the only buyer in a comparable position - why exactly was it sneaky or unreasonable to ask for the same treatment?
I admit it - I'd rather get my money back without a fight and move on, and I'd rather not have had to write this epic treatise, and I'd rather believe that these guys do have some nice crystal and that some mistake along the way has led to both me and gogoggins receiving hits that are about 15 mics each. I would have believed all that if FF had dealt with the scene like grown-ups.
If you look at the way gogoggins responded to the situation - he was honest about his experience but wrote very warmly about FF's response to it in the forum. All I was saying to FF was that if they were as decent about it with me as they were with him, then I would return the treatment in kind. What exactly was the problem with this? I wasn't offering to lie to anyone or to cover anything up - I was just inviting them to treat the matter professionally as they did with him. And I certainly wasn't trying to blackmail them. At the time when I wrote the message, my request for 100% refund was already in the resolution center. So it's not like I was sneaking around or trying to circumvent the system at all.
Oh and of course, I would like to get my 150 back. Which I obviously won't do if this is simply forced through the resolution center, because SR admin has no power over direct transfers between members. But obviously I'm not going to see that again now. To be fair to all concerned, arguably I DID get the equivalent of about 30 decent hits of acid out of it all. But frankly, even if I get all my money back including the 150, that will be scant compensation for the total enormous waste of my time this was turned out to be. Maybe FF don't have jobs but I do and I took a day off for this today when I could have been earning.
If the message came off wrong then I sincerely apologize to all concerned. But let's be clear a) I was only 4 hours in, having taken 50 mics of acid b) I was pretty fucking pissed off that the 400 mic trip I had been promised was obviously not occurring.
Because of course, in case anyone has forgotten, these guys told us at the start of the thread that these hits were AT LEAST 130 mics. Even their one big fan, JesusTwice, can't bring himself to endorse that claim.
So there we go folks. What do you think? Do you think I loaned them that money and planned this all along just so I could scam them? Do you think I used my agents at the post office to ensure that gogoggins would receive super-weak hits just to give my story credibility? Do you think I would throw away my rep as a buyer and on the forum for a couple of hundred hits? Or do you think maybe I'm telling the truth. I guess we'll have to led SR admin decide, as it seems FF have no intention of being civilized about this. The case is in the resolution center. We shall see.
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Oh yes, by the way, if anyone reputable wants me to send them samples from my sheets, so they can verify the story - no problem!
FF saying they are going to send out hits to prove their case is bullshit. It's already clear that not all of their hits are the same. Gogoggins and Jesus obviously received something very different. So what would it prove if they send you all some good hits?
Anyone wants to take one of mine from me then they are MORE THAN WELCOME.
But FF - instead, maybe you should calm the fuck down and take responsibility for your shit. Nobody has received 130 mic hits from you. Either you are a scammer, or you have fucked up. If you want to prove you're not a scammer then man up and take responsibility for your fuck-up.
The whole reason I did it the way I did it is that SAMPLES PROVE NOTHING. Sending out good samples is STANDARD SCAMMER MO.
People have this idea that if you get good samples or good 'test orders' then you will avoid scams. It doesn't work like that. Smart scammers always start off sending out little bits of good shit. Anyone can get a few good strips, and send them out in little pieces to 'prove' their validity. The ONLY WAY to catch real scammers is if people put in decent-sized orders, to see if the vendors can really deliver on them, and rely on the escrow system to protect them. Which is what I've done.
Even now, I'm not saying FF are scammers. But I am inviting them to prove they're not by behaving like adults.
But please - you people who are planning on taking samples from FF in order to 'prove' that I am lying - please PM me your address too so I can send you one of the ones that I actually received.
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My spider sense has been tingling strong for FF. The fact that they basically put up the WHOLE trip report from Jesustwice was a Strange thing to me. Where are all the other reports??? This whole thing has been a CLUSTER from the beginning. Shit at one point they were actually talking about Chocolate Wafers instead of just CONCENTRATING on building their reputation and getting samples out. Now knowing that they didn't even have the $$$ to open a vendor account themselves??? WTF? Who has so much LSD but no $$$ to open an account on their own? Add it all up and I am not sure what you get but it just seems off. This has gone on too long. And they are also VERY QUICK to point out there awesome feedback....yeah from 1 person....now 2 that I see. I'm staying away. $300 sheet or not. Which is another red flag.
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Unbelievable. We never once pressured you to finalize early. The entire time you were stating it was going to be a week before you could test we let you know that it didn't make us the happiest that you were going to take so long to test but we did not have a problem with it. We even stated in resolution center we would wait for you without a problem. And to the guy who said who has so much LSD but not the money to open the account. We already had purchased the BTC to open our account and were waiting on our BTC to arrive to open it. Lightfoot offered to cover the vendors fee so we could begin business sooner. To repay him for this we were very generous with his order. I don't have near the energy right now to type a full page argument to this, but the only two possible reasons I can think of you would do this is either 1. You're just a scammer taking advantage of our vulnerable reputation as a new vendor. or 2. You are a competing vendor hoping to put a dent in our stock and reputation, while at the same time gaining 3 more sheets for your supply.. at no cost. I'm not quite sure which one you are, but it's pretty shady either way. I would ask you to send out some tabs from each of your sheet as you said you would but I can't think of what is stopping you from simply soaking the tabs in water or something else prior to sending them to cause them to not be active for others.. The one thing I cannot understand is EVERYBODY ELSE'S TABS WERE OFF OF YOUR SHEETS. How are they getting effects and you are not? 2 buddies are sitting with me right now having a wonderful time off of 2. I simply cannot wrap my mind around what is going on here but somethings not right.
--FF
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My spider sense has been tingling strong for FF. The fact that they basically put up the WHOLE trip report from Jesustwice was a Strange thing to me. Where are all the other reports??? This whole thing has been a CLUSTER from the beginning. Shit at one point they were actually talking about Chocolate Wafers instead of just CONCENTRATING on building their reputation and getting samples out. Now knowing that they didn't even have the $$$ to open a vendor account themselves??? WTF? Who has so much LSD but no $$$ to open an account on their own? Add it all up and I am not sure what you get but it just seems off. This has gone on too long. And they are also VERY QUICK to point out there awesome feedback....yeah from 1 person....now 2 that I see. I'm staying away. $300 sheet or not. Which is another red flag.
Here ya go, we'll send you a 20 strip Jack. If you're such a skeptic please give it a try for yourself.
--FF
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Sorry to be such a skeptic FF. I really want nothing more than to being reading all your positive reviews that's all. So far that hasn't happened. It seems like this has been going on for awhile is all I'm saying.
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Sorry to be such a skeptic FF. I really want nothing more than to being reading all your positive reviews that's all. So far that hasn't happened. It seems like this has been going on for awhile is all I'm saying.
So try it for yourself.
--FF
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lightfoot,
I'll take you up on that sample offer. Is your key posted here somewhere to encrypt a PM to you?
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Unbelievable. We never once pressured you to finalize early. The entire time you were stating it was going to be a week before you could test we let you know that it didn't make us the happiest that you were going to take so long to test but we did not have a problem with it. We even stated in resolution center we would wait for you without a problem. And to the guy who said who has so much LSD but not the money to open the account. We already had purchased the BTC to open our account and were waiting on our BTC to arrive to open it. Lightfoot offered to cover the vendors fee so we could begin business sooner. To repay him for this we were very generous with his order. I don't have near the energy right now to type a full page argument to this, but the only two possible reasons I can think of you would do this is either 1. You're just a scammer taking advantage of our vulnerable reputation as a new vendor. or 2. You are a competing vendor hoping to put a dent in our stock and reputation, while at the same time gaining 3 more sheets for your supply.. at no cost. I'm not quite sure which one you are, but it's pretty shady either way. I would ask you to send out some tabs from each of your sheet as you said you would but I can't think of what is stopping you from simply soaking the tabs in water or something else prior to sending them to cause them to not be active for others.. The one thing I cannot understand is EVERYBODY ELSE'S TABS WERE OFF OF YOUR SHEETS. How are they getting effects and you are not? 2 buddies are sitting with me right now having a wonderful time off of 2. I simply cannot wrap my mind around what is going on here but somethings not right.
--FF
Firstly - you can't soak out the acid or even neutralize it with chlorine without it being obvious that the hits have been tampered with. So no, I couldn't do that. And yes, I'll send them to whoever.
Secondly - if you weren't pressurizing me then what was all that 'we're going to have to cancel the group buy because of one selfish buyer' crap? How was that not pressurizing you? And when did I ever say I needed a week?
Thirdly - go through all of my posts on SR. Find one piece of evidence that I'm a vendor or a scammer.
Fourthly - if I was going to scam you, why wouldn't I just have said it never arrived - you were all set to offer refunds if stuff never arrived on Monday. Lots of shipments apparently never arrived. Why would I even have admitted that it came?
Fifthly - if I was a rival vendor, why the fuck would I order that much instead of just a strip or a half-sheet or even just one sheet?
Look, I don't want to spend a lot of time trading accusations with you. Something has gone wrong with your shit. It sounds to me like there was some bad fuck-up in the treatment of your product en route. I don't know - maybe someone left in the trunk of a running car all day, or something.
I'm not saying this isn't acid. I'm not saying it doesn't feel like good crystal. I'm not saying these are total blanks. These are all the things I would say if I was a rival or a scammer. I'm telling the truth - these hits are very very very weak.
I'm even willing to entertain the prospect that this is all a fluke, that there were a couple of weak spots on the sheets and by some terrible coincidence we got them all. If you want to just extend escrow for a couple of weeks and have me send out ten samples and then also try them again myself we could do it that way. I don't know what else to say man. I'm disappointed in the product. I'm furious at your response to my expression of disappointment - you didn't even wait for me to come down off the fucking trip before writing accusations about me in the thread. But I hope we can move past this mutual disappointment and frustratin to behave like adults.
And I'll ask sitdown to log on tomorrow to confirm the account.
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lightfoot,
I'll take you up on that sample offer. Is your key posted here somewhere to encrypt a PM to you?
Thanks wretched
I don't want to mail out a bunch of samples until we've established the terms of reference: exactly why I'm sending them, and what validity (if any) will be attributed to the results. I don't want a bunch of bad reports to come in and then to be accused of setting them up. I don't want to work myself up into a FF-style fit of paranoia about the possibility of my enemies bribing people to write misleading reports...
not sure what the conclusion of that is. To be honest, I think I need a break from this now.
To be honest right now I just need to chill out, smoke a bowl, and try to enjoy what is left of the afterglow of what was, after all, 50 mics of very decent LSD. I'll get back on tomorrow or maybe not till Sunday (it looks like SR will be down for a couple of days thanks to the Gawker article anyway, so I guess the resolution center will be closed for that long at least) and probably post a key so people can start PM-ing me for samples.
Sheesh - to be honest, I was always planning to put aside 30 hits to send out for free samples - but I thought I was gonna be doing it in a generous spirit of helping to share the good news because FF were so generous with me. I don't want all this bad vibe around the business and I'm hoping that maybe after a day FF and I will both calm down and find a way to stop hating on each other and move forward constructively. I had a much weaker trip than hoped for. I'm disappointed, FF is disappointed. Let's take a break and see if doesn't look better tomorrow. It's only money and LSD goddam it.
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sure, but my testing services are always available to any who need it. browsing through this post reminds me of the long ass tarp thread on ovdb when the keys landed. I am still sitting on a pile of them. and my experience was mixed working with tarp. long ass wait time, then got significantly more than I ordered. but I didn't trip at all of of them, then tripped my face off with the freebies. nice little trip down memory lane. if you still feel like outsourcing a sample though, I'm here for you.
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lightfoot -- I am confused....I have not received anything from FF, not sure which posts of mine you are referring to but anything I've made claims about are based on speculation only unfortunately.
I do hope this situation gets resolved amicably, the whole thing is off to such a rough start :/
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I simply cannot wrap my mind around what is going on here but somethings not right.
--FF
How many mics do you expect to be on the print tabs? Maybe they are getting significantly deteriorated during shipping??
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Highly doubt the deterioration rate man...I got 16 hits mailed from Germany that were 150ug stated and 1 was a good steady trip, 2 would've made us stay inside :).
Shipping took 5 days
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We're going to eliminate our middle man from the equation and see if that changes anything... We trust him very much but greed can get to the best of us... Hopefully this changes things.
--FF
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Doesn't have to be shipping, maybe at some point they were thrown in a freezer without properly protecting for moisture, maybe they were left sitting at the bottom of a hot USPS blue box for hours before being picked up, maybe they got mishandled by the USPS and left in the rain during shipping, etc. etc.
But who knows really. Hopefully the GB comes back soon with some more convincing data points.
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could I get a sample FF? I dont quite have 150 posts though :/ I did buy a half sheet of print from you 3 days ago, still has not arrived :(
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Hey FF, I sent you a PM about a sample. Thanks!
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could I get a sample FF? I dont quite have 150 posts though :/ I did buy a half sheet of print from you 3 days ago, still has not arrived :(
3 days, and you're ''sad''? If you read the entire thread, you would know that 3 days is not a realistic time frame considering their shipping methods. I too ordered a half sheet 3 days ago, and am patiently waiting for it to arrive so I can give an HONEST review.
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Man this is so suspenseful I hate it! Offering great prices and pretty good customer service but people saying the hits are weak. I wish there were more reports so I could hurry up and either order or not.
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well, i'm in for a sheet of the print and 7 of the wow... so if it's bunk imma be a sad panda :-(
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I put an order in for 25 tabs of print on Monday (1/23). It hasn't arrived yet but two other orders (from other vendors) made at the same time as well as one the day after have all arrived. I'm in the middle of the country and two of those came from the coasts, so based on that average anything shipped normally should be reaching me by now. Slower shipping does seem to be the norm with this vendor, but hopefully I'll get them tomorrow.
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i love it when people fail to read whole threads but post anyway...
It's already been explained, part of his obfuscation.
But i'll admit, i'm nervous about thhe qualitty.
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lightfoot -- I am confused....I have not received anything from FF, not sure which posts of mine you are referring to but anything I've made claims about are based on speculation only unfortunately.
I do hope this situation gets resolved amicably, the whole thing is off to such a rough start :/
Man I just woke up from a long doze really stressing about this shit - I knew there was something I had to fix...
I'm so very sorry gogoggins. Somehow I got you mixed up with ripechlk. I've gone and changed the relevant messages where I could.
I also see that we've had one other test report with agreed with Jesus' estimate of the dosage. psychedelicbees has a friend who pegged them at 'slightly weaker than the hoffmans that mitanox recently had up'. Please note that the latest batch of hoffmans have been lab-tested by DrAmsterdam and they came in at 75mics.
Nobody is coming close to calling these hits at 130. Two reports of 50-75. Two reports of dosage below 20. Nobody arguing that it's decent crystal.
I don't see why there has to be so much paranoia and animosity around this. If FF are telling the truth that the hits started off 130 mics then clearly SOMETHING has happened to them since that, and whatever it is is not likely to have had a uniform effect. Why is this so hard to believe FF?
You haven't yet answered this basic point - two people say the hits are over 50, but not over 75 mics. Two people said the ones they received were less than 20. Why do you assume that just one of those 3 people is lying? And how do you respond to the fact that so far not one but two reports say that the hits are 75 or less - which is already almost half what you claimed?
I also just remembered I have to be out of town for a couple of weeks from Monday, so I don't know if I will be sending out samples for a while - hopefully I can get a friend to do it. Hopefully I might not have to: once enough other people report that their hits are to varying degrees obviously not close to 130, maybe FF will have to concede that something has gone wrong and I may not be a lying scamming vending cheating bastard.
Enough - back to bed.
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@lightfoot: I believe you although I don't know you, but I know sitdown from OVDB. Could you ask him to post here? If he too confirms that 3 hits combined were weak then there's a problem. Not necessarily a problem with FF but definitely a problem with the blotters.
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I'm right here sd4!
Yes I can confirm everything lightfoot has said.
In fact I can do even better than that. Lightfoot actually sent me 6 of the blotters, so sd4 if you feel like testing the other 3 then hit me up in a pm and I'll stick them in the post to you right away. I know that you are familiar with good acid and everyone from OVDB know it. If not then I can send out one each to the first 3 reliable people who ask in the thread. They'll be coming from Western Europe. I know lightfoot is going to be pretty busy for a week or so but I'm happy to send these out if it helps clarify things.
My report: I had a not unenjoyable but ultimately very mild time on 3 hits of these yesterday. I would say the dose from all 3 was what I would normally call 'a mild party dose' - it would have been fine if all I wanted was some energy for dancing - or just to sit around laughing with friends - but not for a serious trip. They do indeed feel like they are laid from nice crystal, and today I feel very nice and refreshed. But I've tripped on 3+ hits of 100mic GDF fluff several times recently, and this just wasn't in the same universe as that experience. It wasn't even as strong as one of those, I don't think. But then it's a while since I've taken just one hit at that level so I wouldn't like to say 100%.
I have to admit I'm not massively confident about judging low doses - I think it was me who said to lightfoot that we should try 3 at once, thinking that would make it easier. If it turned out that the 3 hits had a total of, say, 90 mics on then I wouldn't be totally surprised. But there's no way it was close to 200 mics: so I'm afraid these particular blotters are clearly weaker than the ones that have been posited at around 75 mics. And the idea that these were anything close to the advertized 130 mics is simply ridiculous.
Wretched already mentioned the sense of deja vu in relation to a thread that existed on OVDB and he is right about that. Even the biggest and most-established vendors have been known to send out product that seemed to arrive in a much weaker state than the vendors believed it to be when they sent it. Blotters are pretty vulnerable and if they're not kept temperature-controlled and vacuum-sealed then they can suffer degradation easily. There can also be unrealized mistakes in laying, preparing and drying blotters. The problem is that this is not a predictable thing and also the degradation is not always even even across a single strip (OVDB folks remember the saga of Tarp's Mayan Calendars? I still have most of mine because I don't dare give them to anyone because it still seems to be an absolute lottery how strong any particular blot will be...). Somebody mentioned that they've had blotters from Europe to US stay good over 5 days. Well sure - we all have. I've had plenty of sheets from the US stay good, with no packaging except a sheet of paper and in the middle of summer. But I've also had blotters from Western Europe suffer serious degradation. If I'm completely honest then I have to say that if there is a connecting factor then it's the time spent in the mail. I've had sheets get here from the states in 5 days and they were fine. I've had sheets get here from Western Europe that took 2 weeks and they were fucked. Given that, as I understand it, lightfoots' sheets were in transit for 2 weeks, then that experience doesn't bode too well...
One thing I will say, partly based on my experience at OVDB and on my observations of SR: grown-up professional vendors accept that this shit happens. They accept that sometimes things go wrong. They accept that sometimes buyers may be temperamental or may genuinely respond to products in a way they don't like. They accept that packs go missing. When shit like this comes up with known and reputable buyers, they swallow it, even if they suspect that the buyer is wrong or is taking the piss. They accept it quietly and with dignity, and they offer the refund or the re-ship without arguing. If they are serious about their business, then they can take the hit, even with a fairly large order (and for someone coming from OVDB, the idea that 3 sheets is a huge colossal order that would break a vendor is just laughable). What they do NOT do, is to start writing hysterical messages in public forums, attacking customer who have made no public attack on them, and quoting private messages that were obviously written while the writer was still tripping, and then arguing like fuck, offering to bribe customers with free samples in order to 'prove' the guilt of the customer. @FF your behavior on this occasion has been unconscionable.
Let's just re-cap finally shall we.
FF promised to send out samples and orders for hits that were advertized as AT LEAST 130 mics. They were said to be in transit nearly 3 weeks ago.So far, received and reviewed, we have 2 samples that have both been reviewed (by Jesus and by psychedelicbees) as being noticeably weaker than European tabs that are known to lab-test in the 75-90 range. We've had reports from ripechlk, lightfoot and now me that the hits they received were all probably less than 20 mics each. Those are the only reports received.
So where exactly do you get off, FF, in making all these accusations at lightfoot, instead of just trying to make things right? So far you have not shipped one person a blotter that was more than half as strong as you said it was - at least by the time they received it. Even if all your others turn out to be good, it doesn't disprove that something has gone wrong with lightfoot's order, and you should be apologizing for it and fixing it - not attacking him in your thread. Christ, when I think about how excited he was about you guys and how I warned him to stay calm and not get his hopes up - to see you attacking him like this just makes me livid. But then I DID warn him. Sorry lightfoot mate, but I did...
Anyway sorry to ramble - OVDBers know that I do tend to go on a bit...;)
sd4 let me know if you want those 3 hits to try.
peace
sd
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Bleh, If I were more gullible I would probably be convinced that I am either a) not going to receive my order, or b) get REALLY REALLY weak hits. Though, I'm not one to follow with hysteria. 3rd day after ship date today, will update if anything comes in the mail!
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FAMILYFOREVER -- READ THIS! (ALL of it) (and respond) sorry for the length of my posts
I ordered a sheet of print 20 days ago. Haven't seen a single thing come in the mail. FF said to me in a PM 4 days ago that if it hadn't arrived by last Wednesday, he'll send out another sheet. I PMed him again today to have that replacement sheet sent out. I gave him several more days than he requested, just to be sure.
Familyforever, do not disappear before I get my sheet. I have tried my utmost to not get sucked into the maelstrom that is this thread. I have tried my utmost to not attack or slander you, but rather support you (eg half-finalisation up-front) and give you my Trust.
I don't know what to make of this situation. As I explained to you in PM, I as a lone person with very very little to my own name cannot afford to lose the amount of money that I finalised upfront in support of you. If the acid is not at least 100mics, then this is no good given your original claim of 130mics. If I don't get my sheet at all, this is doubly not good.
You have always communicated with me in a prompt and friendly manner, and have always been quick to allay my concerns. Unfortunately, I feel that words are no longer enough. It is time to take decisive action. Here are two options for action you can take to solve the problem that you and I are having:
1. Send me my replacement sheet by some sort of priority mail, preferably overnight express airmail. This will be at your own expense, which shouldn't be an issue for you since you are sending replacement product all over the place. Each of the 100 squares on the print sheet will be at least 100mics. Less than this will result in less than 5/5 feeback and much complaining to you from me. I'm sorry but this is how I feel. Show me some love FF and provide me with what you sold to me!
2. Give me all my money back, both what I finalised upfront and what is currently sitting in the resolution center. This should all be done through direct transfer so that I don't get a refund on my account (I have zero refunds and don't want that to change because of all this). Once direct transfer is done I'll release what's in the resolution center so that all is even (but I will release with 2/5 rating).
I firmly believe that the above two options are extremely reasonable. I prefer option 1, and I hope you do too. I'm going to PM you this post. You should respond as quickly as the Universe allows with a decision on what course of action you are going to take to remedy our problem. Until this problem is resolved amicably I'm changing my feedback to 1/5 because I feel that this is now necessary.
Cheers,
afh
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yeah I just think its this guys shipping methods :/ I will report back too! I will drop 2 at once, see how that does to me lol
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We've canned our middleman and we're going back to our original methods.
Please reply in a neat and orderly fashion if you have not received your order yet or are overall not happy with it. I'm going to take a hit on the pocketbook with this one, but this must all be fixed. Everybody will receive replacements from the new WoW batch. I dosed two of these last nights and there is no doubt in my mind these are 100% the product I originally advertised. We will return to our normal shipping methods (Don't know if our middleman was simply being careless with the sheets or if the greed got to him and he was swapping some out, god forbid) This means everybody will receive their following orders in the typical 3-4 day delivery time, everything will also be packaged 100% by us with methods we know are 100% foolproof.
--FF
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So you are gonna re ship me a half sheet of WoW blottes? that would be awesome! :)
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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Dang, This is really gonna suck for somebody, sounds like something definitely went wrong, but I did enjoy the single hits me and Fat Bob did last Sunday evening, and we may drop another 1.5 each this evening, we still have three hits left. And the last dose definitely change my whole outlook on life this week, and I've told others about how much so!
But I still didn't get my sheet ordered, played heck trying to put my hands on BTC before the super deals went away, but I guess the planets just didn't align for me.
Either way, sorry to here about all the problems, I wish the whole world could feel what I felt, It would be a better place for sure!
Good luck everyone, and I hope it all works out,
Keep It spiritual,
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Dang, This is really gonna suck for somebody, sounds like something definitely went wrong, but I did enjoy the single hits me and Fat Bob did last Sunday evening, and we may drop another 1.5 each this evening, we still have three hits left. And the last dose definitely change my whole outlook on life this week, and I've told others about how much so!
But I still didn't get my sheet ordered, played heck trying to put my hands on BTC before the super deals went away, but I guess the planets just didn't align for me.
Either way, sorry to here about all the problems, I wish the whole world could feel what I felt, It would be a better place for sure!
Good luck everyone, and I hope it all works out,
Keep It spiritual,
Ya we're gunna take quite a hit to the pocketbook on this one... :-[ And it all could have been avoided.
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considering your good intentions with reshipments and the higher quality product going out, you should recieve a shit ton of customers :) I will definately post my honest review when it comes in :)
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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It's a dirty game, FF, and I'm sure your all too well aware of that. Hate to see you taking a hit to the pocketbook like that, BUT, when you get this all sorted, you're gonna need to hire a landscaping crew to help you rake in all the cash =] I would be a regular customer to you, and there's a lot of people here who would be too. Huge demand for domestic acid man. Just keep your eyes on the prize. You'll easily make any losses you suffer back.
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Been 4 days and no package. If it doesn't get here, where would it have gone? I'm not happy at all about the prospect of an envelope with my name and address on it filled with acid somewhere not in my mailbox.
Feeling like a made a huge mistake ordering if this is how it goes down with these guys.
I can't even log into SR right now. Is anyone else on? I can get to the sign in page but its not accepting my username and password. Shit is fucked up right now not feeling good.
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I'm not happy at all about the prospect of an envelope with my name and address on it filled with acid somewhere not in my mailbox.
Dont send it to the person who will be holding onto it (this case you) you should have it sent to a trusted friend because they can then truthfully deny ordering the package if one is to get caught AND once it arrives they get it to you un opened (safer to leave it un opened so the friend can claim they are returning the package) and you can open it away from your house. Their name is connected to the drugs, but they have nothing to do with it. You have the drugs but your name isnt conected to it. Hope this helps!
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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I'm not happy at all about the prospect of an envelope with my name and address on it filled with acid somewhere not in my mailbox.
Dont send it to the person who will be holding onto it (this case you) you should have it sent to a trusted friend because they can then truthfully deny ordering the package if one is to get caught AND once it arrives they get it to you un opened (safer to leave it un opened so the friend can claim they are returning the package) and you can open it away from your house. Their name is connected to the drugs, but they have nothing to do with it. You have the drugs but your name isnt conected to it. Hope this helps!
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
Thanks for the advice.
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ok then enjoy getting caught up :) just tryin to help a memner of the community, don't need to be a dick.
Best Regards,
Stormtooper
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I'm not happy at all about the prospect of an envelope with my name and address on it filled with acid somewhere not in my mailbox.
Dont send it to the person who will be holding onto it (this case you) you should have it sent to a trusted friend because they can then truthfully deny ordering the package if one is to get caught AND once it arrives they get it to you un opened (safer to leave it un opened so the friend can claim they are returning the package) and you can open it away from your house. Their name is connected to the drugs, but they have nothing to do with it. You have the drugs but your name isnt conected to it. Hope this helps!
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
Oh alright thanks let me take that advice, hop into my time machine and go back to before I ordered from a shady guy who cant get a letter to me within the same country. I've received orders from out of the country and not had problems without having to involve my friends in what I do. Now I'm out a weekend when I could have had L from elsewhere and can't even sign on like I've been hacked or something.
We've already stated that EVERYONE will be compensated. But with an attitude like that do you really expect us to put much effort into helping you? Especially since you are complaining about a simple 20 strips when others have 3 plus sheets out...
--FF
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People need to calm down. Sometimes first class is just weird (assuming he did indeed use FC). It might take a week or more. Maybe 2. Just stay patient, I understand how hard that can be when you have money tied up into waiting for something you REALLY want. But that's the game we play, For me security and the comfort of ordering from my computer is enough for me to wait up to 2 weeks for my drugs.
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I'm not happy at all about the prospect of an envelope with my name and address on it filled with acid somewhere not in my mailbox.
Dont send it to the person who will be holding onto it (this case you) you should have it sent to a trusted friend because they can then truthfully deny ordering the package if one is to get caught AND once it arrives they get it to you un opened (safer to leave it un opened so the friend can claim they are returning the package) and you can open it away from your house. Their name is connected to the drugs, but they have nothing to do with it. You have the drugs but your name isnt conected to it. Hope this helps!
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
Oh alright thanks let me take that advice, hop into my time machine and go back to before I ordered from a shady guy who cant get a letter to me within the same country. I've received orders from out of the country and not had problems without having to involve my friends in what I do. Now I'm out a weekend when I could have had L from elsewhere and can't even sign on like I've been hacked or something.
Someone needs to clean the sand out of their vagina, and calm down! ;) Stop being such a bitch, and just wait it out! If it isn't there by say Wednesday, then maybe start thinking about it, but I wouldn't worry about 4 days. I'm in the same boat as you, and I'm not in the least concerned yet. Smoke a phatty and chill out!
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We've got a pretty cool surprise for you guys once this is all behind us. ;D I've got a pretty good feeling you guys are gunna be excited!
--FF
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Yeah, glad to see you are trying to get right with everyone who is complaining.. Having had a flawless order with you myself I'm kinda scratching my head and wondering wtf... but ya know, stuff happens. Kinda wish my tabs were no good so I could get some of that WoW lol, but alas, they are legit, a bit weak, but still a decent 50mics or so.
I forsee we will all be laughing about this hilariously rough start in a few months when FF is the goto WoW supplier on SR...
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Yeah, glad to see you are trying to get right with everyone who is complaining.. Having had a flawless order with you myself I'm kinda scratching my head and wondering wtf... but ya know, stuff happens. Kinda wish my tabs were no good so I could get some of that WoW lol, but alas, they are legit, a bit weak, but still a decent 50mics or so.
I forsee we will all be laughing about this hilariously rough start in a few months when FF is the goto WoW supplier on SR...
You've got 20 tabs on the way first thing after the weekend.
--FF
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We've got a pretty cool surprise for you guys once this is all behind us. ;D I've got a pretty good feeling you guys are gunna be excited!
--FF
Ooh, so mysterious FF! :P
Did you see my PM? No rush whatsoever, I'd assume such a popular person as yourself would be a bit overwhelmed lately.
And everyone who's losing their shit over an order taking more than a week, my first purchase on SR was out of escrow [stupid, i know] and took 2 weeks and arrived the monday of a 3rd week. Calm down, FF is being more than generous in his compensations and is putting out a lot of effort to try and work something out with all of you.
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hello foreverfamily,
how many mcg (for realz)? USA only?
I could review too, I would even take a day off from work for that:)
130-140ug which we feel is quite fair for the price.
@Gogoggins,
You were wondering where the "Claimed Mics" of 130mics was posted, so I found it for you. It was also questioned later in the thread, and someone stated they thought all "Family Acid" was dosed at 100mics, to which FF replied something to aspects of it being the remainder of the crystal so they used it all on the sheets they had, and they felt very confident that by quoting the hits at 130mics would be a conservative estimate. (I hope I'm not misquoting FF on that!)
Keep It Spiritual,
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hello foreverfamily,
how many mcg (for realz)? USA only?
I could review too, I would even take a day off from work for that:)
130-140ug which we feel is quite fair for the price.
@Gogoggins,
You were wondering where the "Claimed Mics" of 130mics was posted, so I found it for you. It was also questioned later in the thread, and someone stated they thought all "Family Acid" was dosed at 100mics, to which FF replied something to aspects of it being the remainder of the crystal so they used it all on the sheets they had, and they felt very confident that by quoting the hits at 130mics would be a conservative estimate. (I hope I'm not misquoting FF on that!)
Keep It Spiritual,
And we're going to stand by these claims. ;D Wait till you guys try these new wows... yummmmmyyyyyyy
--FF
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Right, I remember now :P The only thing that I'm still unclear about is what the difference between the prints and WoW was? I assume weaker? Was that ever stated?
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Watch the surprise be that FF is actually LE and turns out he makes a huge bust on SR. Hahahah jkjk I jest. Couldn't resist sorry. No offense FF, I'm totally on your side and admire how persistent you are. A lot people woulda left town after being trash talked as much as you were. No but seriously that would be kinda funny, surprise! You're under arrest! Lol. Much love FF, much love.
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Watch the surprise be that FF is actually LE and turns out he makes a huge bust on SR. Hahahah jkjk I jest. Couldn't resist sorry. No offense FF, I'm totally on your side and admire how persistent you are. A lot people woulda left town after being trash talked as much as you were. No but seriously that would be kinda funny, surprise! You're under arrest! Lol. Much love FF, much love.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against FF as a vendor, but personally I've got a hunch the downfall of SR will be based on a harmless drug like LSD or weed....
Seems like the hardest drugs (coke, H, meth) are fairly easy to spot vendors fishing as LE, but LSD?
There have been like 3-4 potential acid vendors recently who sourced addy's, then disappeared.....That wouldn't fly with other substances
Again, NOT badmouthing FF, just putting my thoughts out there cuz its late and I'm drunk.....
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Just recieved something in my friends mailbox :) I got 3 orders coming in, one from the UK so I know thats not it, and two domestic US orders. One from elvis sent 3 days ago, and one from FF sent 5 days ago. I'll update which one it is, hopefully I will be on acid while updating ;D
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We've canned our middleman and we're going back to our original methods.
Please reply in a neat and orderly fashion if you have not received your order yet or are overall not happy with it. I'm going to take a hit on the pocketbook with this one, but this must all be fixed. Everybody will receive replacements from the new WoW batch. I dosed two of these last nights and there is no doubt in my mind these are 100% the product I originally advertised. We will return to our normal shipping methods (Don't know if our middleman was simply being careless with the sheets or if the greed got to him and he was swapping some out, god forbid) This means everybody will receive their following orders in the typical 3-4 day delivery time, everything will also be packaged 100% by us with methods we know are 100% foolproof.
--FF
For the record - FF offered me a 60% refund and a full re-ship in the resolution center. This was pretty generous. I've responded offering to take just an extension of escrow period to allow for the re-ship.
Just a reship with no refund is fine with me. I've even offered to allow them to re-sell the sheets I'm holding (which should amount to the equivalent of a few good strips at least) at a knock-down price and I'll ship them out to whoever, or else we can just auction them and donate the money to SR. I hope this means that FF no longer believe that I was trying to scam them
FF the details are in the re center so please log in to it and respond. I need to give you a new address for the re-ship (as should everyone actually - you shouldn't have anyone's address on record...)
And btw I agree with everyone who says the crystal is nice - even though I didn't even really trip, I did feel very nice afterwards, as several others have commented :)
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Right, I remember now :P The only thing that I'm still unclear about is what the difference between the prints and WoW was? I assume weaker? Was that ever stated?
FF told me in a pm that prints and wow were the same potency. Can't remember if they said it in the thread.
Can't help wondering if there was something up with the print sheets themselves - I mean the actual medium. I've never had that bitter ink taste from US prints before and normally the people who make prints strenuously avoid it. Just a thought.
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Oh wow if the prints are really supposed to be 130ug then that is really messed up. :(:( I had kinda assumed they were supposed to be under that given they were priced cheaper from the get go. But if FF really thinks the prints I received in the group buy are 130mics that is quite a misrepresentation. I could perhaps believe they were laid at 90-100mics and were mangled in transport. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to receive the bit of L that was on the sheet as it is quality, but it is no where near what FF claims/believes is on these tabs. It's crucially important that he honestly represent his product to the community, willfully doing anything else is NOT ok, it makes it really tough to establish trust between the community and a new vendor.
Proceed with caution folks, as I have seen no reviews that suggest FF has shipped anything near 130mics/tab.
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... FF is being more than generous in his compensations and is putting out a lot of effort to try and work something out with all of you.
I agree. It seems like FF is doing what he can and losing a lot (which as someone else said will no doubt be made up quickly once the FF fever catches on around here). After my previous post I was informed I'd receive a replacement WoW sheet (new batch) for the print sheet that never showed. I feel much calmer now, thanks FF.
Proceed with caution folks, as I have seen no reviews that suggest FF has shipped anything near 130mics/tab.
Sure, but let's see how things go with the middle man cut out...?
Also, FF....are you still contemplating leaving SR? If you come good it would probably be worth your while sticking around methinks. As for surprises....what is it?
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I'm sorry to step into the middle of this and stir the pot, but FF is a new seller, and his 1st deals seem to have lots of issues with extended shipping times, weak product, accusations toward buyers, and middleman excuses. that is 3 more issues than I would care to deal with on a new seller right out of the gate. of course he will tell you that "things are changing" and "the new batch is stronger" because that is what you want to hear, and it gives him the chance to keep listings up, and make a few more deals. I am not saying that he is a scam at all, I haven't dealt with him ,nor would I (not because I think he is a scam, but because he is unprofessional, and he posted a PM from a buyer on the forum when that buyer hadn't complained here at all until AFTER ff posted it).
It seems that every new acid dealer gets a very long thread going, with tons of discussion, but very few customers.
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We've already stated that EVERYONE will be compensated. But with an attitude like that do you really expect us to put much effort into helping you? Especially since you are complaining about a simple 20 strips when others have 3 plus sheets out...
--FF
True true, sorry about that FF and Stormtrooper especially. I just had people sweating me about when I was going to get them in because they wanted to review them this weekend instead of wait through another week of work. Sorry I had to be a pussy and take it out on you guys, I was just frustrated that there seems to be so many problems reported. FF you seem to genuinely want to resolve these things so Ill just keep smoking and chill the fuck out.
In all likelihood if my strips have a reasonable amount of mics then I won't ask for a reship or replacement, I'll just finalize and cut my losses (twice as many half strength hits for half the price is about the same as paying full price for half as many full strength hits, so whatevs). My order is small fish anyways because as you said other people are out sheets, and it'll probably save you guys time and money if I release the coin once I get my product however weak it is (but if its completely bunk I might have to ask for some kind of replacement or leave a 4/5).
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I'm sorry to step into the middle of this and stir the pot, but FF is a new seller, and his 1st deals seem to have lots of issues with extended shipping times, weak product, accusations toward buyers, and middleman excuses. that is 3 more issues than I would care to deal with on a new seller right out of the gate. of course he will tell you that "things are changing" and "the new batch is stronger" because that is what you want to hear, and it gives him the chance to keep listings up, and make a few more deals. I am not saying that he is a scam at all, I haven't dealt with him ,nor would I (not because I think he is a scam, but because he is unprofessional, and he posted a PM from a buyer on the forum when that buyer hadn't complained here at all until AFTER ff posted it).
It seems that every new acid dealer gets a very long thread going, with tons of discussion, but very few customers.
It's a shame of the lack of customers. But with such few customers it should be a sign, no? Everything will pretty much be a waste of time (and money) if you get your desired tabs, go for a desired trip then get robbed by half. Hopefully these reships get some good feedback. Will we see a higher potency or have to compensate with amount?
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I'm sorry to step into the middle of this and stir the pot, but FF is a new seller, and his 1st deals seem to have lots of issues with extended shipping times, weak product, accusations toward buyers, and middleman excuses. that is 3 more issues than I would care to deal with on a new seller right out of the gate. of course he will tell you that "things are changing" and "the new batch is stronger" because that is what you want to hear, and it gives him the chance to keep listings up, and make a few more deals. I am not saying that he is a scam at all, I haven't dealt with him ,nor would I (not because I think he is a scam, but because he is unprofessional, and he posted a PM from a buyer on the forum when that buyer hadn't complained here at all until AFTER ff posted it).
It seems that every new acid dealer gets a very long thread going, with tons of discussion, but very few customers.
It's a shame of the lack of customers. But with such few customers it should be a sign, no? Everything will pretty much be a waste of time (and money) if you get your desired tabs, go for a desired trip then get robbed by half. Hopefully these reships get some good feedback. Will we see a higher potency or have to compensate with amount?
Do you people even read threads before you post or do you just immediately hop on spouting off whatever feels good to you at the moment? Jesus Christ you guys are making it VERY difficult to want to stick around.
--FF
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Oh wow if the prints are really supposed to be 130ug then that is really messed up. :(:( I had kinda assumed they were supposed to be under that given they were priced cheaper from the get go. But if FF really thinks the prints I received in the group buy are 130mics that is quite a misrepresentation. I could perhaps believe they were laid at 90-100mics and were mangled in transport. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to receive the bit of L that was on the sheet as it is quality, but it is no where near what FF claims/believes is on these tabs. It's crucially important that he honestly represent his product to the community, willfully doing anything else is NOT ok, it makes it really tough to establish trust between the community and a new vendor.
Proceed with caution folks, as I have seen no reviews that suggest FF has shipped anything near 130mics/tab.
And seriously? After the VERY generous offer we gave to you? You people have absolutely no patience on here, it's insane.
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of course he will tell you that "things are changing" and "the new batch is stronger" because that is what you want to hear, and it gives him the chance to keep listings up, and make a few more deals.
And all of our listings are down...
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don't forget about me bro :-)
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Just recieved something in my friends mailbox :) I got 3 orders coming in, one from the UK so I know thats not it, and two domestic US orders. One from elvis sent 3 days ago, and one from FF sent 5 days ago. I'll update which one it is, hopefully I will be on acid while updating ;D
Update?? ;D
And guido I have not forgotten about you ;)
--FF
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FF, sorry I if I came off as harsh in my other post. I didn't place my order expecting 130mics on the prints as I couldn't find that officially advertised anywhere, so I was happy to receive the sheet that I did, that's why I gladly finalized for you (I'm sure you have a bunch of $$ tied up in escrow right now). I just wanted to stress to you and to other buyers that it's important that we all be honest to each other. Personally, and I'm sur eothers feel the same way, I would gladly buy hits honestly marketed at 50mics a hit. I don't really think you willfully misrepresented anything, seems all just like shipping issues, I just wanted to place a clear note to people who were just coming into this thread the current state of reviews.
All the best man, really didn't mean to come off as a dick in my other post :)
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FF, sorry I if I came off as harsh in my other post. I didn't place my order expecting 130mics on the prints as I couldn't find that officially advertised anywhere, so I was happy to receive the sheet that I did, that's why I gladly finalized for you (I'm sure you have a bunch of $$ tied up in escrow right now). I just wanted to stress to you and to other buyers that it's important that we all be honest to each other. Personally, and I'm sur eothers feel the same way, I would gladly buy hits honestly marketed at 50mics a hit. I don't really think you willfully misrepresented anything, seems all just like shipping issues, I just wanted to place a clear note to people who were just coming into this thread the current state of reviews.
All the best man, really didn't mean to come off as a dick in my other post :)
I feel exactly like this guy. I wouldn't mind at all buying tabs rated at 50 ug each, if you just tell me up front. It's kind of annoying when vendors say that their tabs are 2-3 times stronger than they really are. If your stuff is legit, and your prices good, people are gonna buy it, even if its low dosage. There's several vendors around here that are proof of that.
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*sigh* Just wait for the fresh WoWs guys ;)
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Just recieved something in my friends mailbox :) I got 3 orders coming in, one from the UK so I know thats not it, and two domestic US orders. One from elvis sent 3 days ago, and one from FF sent 5 days ago. I'll update which one it is, hopefully I will be on acid while updating ;D
Update?? ;D
And guido I have not forgotten about you ;)
--FF
Checked it out, it was an order from Elvis :/ will let everyone know when the FF order arrives :)
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We've already stated that EVERYONE will be compensated. But with an attitude like that do you really expect us to put much effort into helping you? Especially since you are complaining about a simple 20 strips when others have 3 plus sheets out...
--FF
True true, sorry about that FF and Stormtrooper especially. I just had people sweating me about when I was going to get them in because they wanted to review them this weekend instead of wait through another week of work. Sorry I had to be a pussy and take it out on you guys, I was just frustrated that there seems to be so many problems reported. FF you seem to genuinely want to resolve these things so Ill just keep smoking and chill the fuck out.
In all likelihood if my strips have a reasonable amount of mics then I won't ask for a reship or replacement, I'll just finalize and cut my losses (twice as many half strength hits for half the price is about the same as paying full price for half as many full strength hits, so whatevs). My order is small fish anyways because as you said other people are out sheets, and it'll probably save you guys time and money if I release the coin once I get my product however weak it is (but if its completely bunk I might have to ask for some kind of replacement or leave a 4/5).
No worries at all mate :) Things will unfold how they should. Thanks for having the balls to apologize and not acting all big and tough behind the computer like a lot of the immature brats on this lol
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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Ohhh boy the surprise is on ;D ;D ;D I'll let you guys know in a little bit!
--FF
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how long till we know?? :)
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Please stick around FF, seems like you're trying really hard to be successful, and just got fucked over a bit. You'll be making in rain in no time if you stick around though!
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Awww fuck it I can't hold out on you guys! Vials! Along with the group buy we'll have 15 .0115g (11500ug) per 100drop vial so right about 115ug per drop ;D ;D and there's no possible way for degradation so we won't have to deal with that mess anymore. ;D
--FF
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Sold!! To Stormtrooper :)
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Pricing on the vials?>???????
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Don't get too anxious guys we gotta get everything else settled up first.
--FF
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well i want in :) i would love to join the group buy :)
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Save me a spot :D
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Save me a spot :D
+1
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Mhh more LSD listings coming up on SR.. drops on candies.. interesting.
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Mhh more LSD listings coming up on SR.. drops on candies.. interesting.
We're not even gunna try puttin em on candies haha, just drops or blotters. ;D
--FF
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Pricing on the vials?>???????
Most likely $425 including shipping. ;D
--FF
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Pricing on the vials?>???????
Most likely $425 including shipping. ;D
--FF
Awesome :)
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Pricing on the vials?>???????
Most likely $425 including shipping. ;D
--FF
Dude. DUDE! Sounds epic, will you be doing vials regularly or is this a once off? (if it's once off let me sell my bike & get some btc to get in please?) (also looking forward to the WoW v. much)
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Pricing on the vials?>???????
Most likely $425 including shipping. ;D
--FF
Dude. DUDE! Sounds epic, will you be doing vials regularly or is this a once off? (if it's once off let me sell my bike & get some btc to get in please?) (also looking forward to the WoW v. much)
Oh my good God you people are PATHETIC!. Don't you get this. FF have not delivered ONE DAMN THING that has come close to their endless promises. And yet every time they start dangling the promise of some new goody in front of you, you piss your pants like excited toddlers. It's just amazing. They talk about the weak blotters like that was all somebody else's fault and anyone who even raises it as an issue is obviously an asshole. Please, get this:
They advertised blotters at 130 mics. and WoW at the same potency.
All they have shipped out isa load of print blotters with maybe 50 mics of acid on each of them. I'm sorry but you can pick up better shit from any of a dozen LSD vendors on SR.
They have not shipped out ANYTHING ELSE, despite promising
-WoW (where is it?)
-chocolate wafers (where were they? what happened to the people who who supposedly reserved them?)
One minute they tell us they are 'clearing house', the next minute they have plenty of acid to put on wafers. One minute they have a time-limited group buy on WoW, the next minute they have enough to re-ship everyone who bought the crappy blotters.
Jesus when are you going to stop leaping up and down like excited puppies every time they promise you some new toy? They are so obviously full of shit. PLEASE SHOW US ONE PERSON WHO HAS RECEIVED WHAT THEY WERE PROMISED BY THESE GUYS.
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^I think this kind of hating on FF and general trolling is really unnecessary.
Having said that - I have to say FF - your general tone could be a little more humble given your track record so far...
I can see that from YOUR point of view, you're doing the best you can and the problems that have arisen are not your fault. These problems always arise in the L business and at the end of the day who cares if things take a few weeks to all get straight? You're right - L is NEVER something that just shows up exactly when you want it, routinely, regularly, like a normal product, and people should be patient.
BUT - from the customers' point of view - it remains the case that you have everything to prove and have actually delivered very little. Despite this, your tone over the past few pages has been arrogant, aggressive, and dismissive of anyone (eg Gogoggins) who has even mentioned some of the problems. I'm not clear why you think this is justified, or how you think you've earned the right yet to be so dismissive and hostile towards people who simply point out the truth - that so far, the promised products have not been delivered.
A little humility about this might prevent assholes like that ^ from trolling up the thread...
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Agreed. The lack of professionalism shown by FF on a few occasions has made me just as nervous as the problems with the quality of the product have.
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Pricing on the vials?>???????
Most likely $425 including shipping. ;D
--FF
Dude. DUDE! Sounds epic, will you be doing vials regularly or is this a once off? (if it's once off let me sell my bike & get some btc to get in please?) (also looking forward to the WoW v. much)
Oh my good God you people are PATHETIC!. ..... etc etc more pussy bullshit
[advance apologies for further flaming]
Thanks shithead - there's nothing wrong with a little good-will albeit empty encouragement towards an underperforming potential new vendor. If you're not intelligent enough to read between the lines and understand the intention behind my statements, I'd appreciate it if you didn't quote me in your cuntish responses. You honestly think I'd sell my bike to buy a vial from someone that I'm still waiting on for my initial order? Fuck that! Think harder my friend, it'll serve you well in life to do so.
If you're intention was simply to instill some sensibility into other members of this community, thanks, but I don't need that from you, and you should probably take a less-insulting approach to your future attempts of this kind. I'd like to be pleasant towards familyforever in the hope he doesn't disappear before I get what I paid for.
Don't feel the need to respond to, or quote, this post.
Cheers,
afh
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please remember that shipping vials overseas isn't safe, especially from the US. There is basically no safe way to ship any kind of liquid out from the US unless you have a liquor license.
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Dude I can not wait till everything is done and over with lol
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Cool. Look forward to trying the sample of WoW you offered, I'm sure it's tip top if you've tried it yourself :)
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Dude I can not wait till everything is done and over with lol
I agree.
Everyone just needs to calm down and give FF a chance to prove himself. There was only a couple reports of weak blotters, the rest of us are (patiently) awaiting our orders. I for one still trust that I am getting somewhere around 130ug blotters, IF this happens to not be the case I'm sure FF will compensate like he already has been doing. Please hold your judgement for a few more days until this sorts itself out. :)
I can't wait, either. I get the feeling in a month or two FF is going to be THE acid vendor on SR, if he can bear this for that long. You guys sure are giving him a lot of shit about this. And he's putting up with all of it and being VERY generous in his compensations. If you ask me, he's just having some issues with his shipping methods that are causing it to degrade in the mail. Or just some really bad luck. Either way, I hope he's in this for the long run because if so he'll make a killing once everything settles down.
Also, VIALS :D
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Pricing on the vials?>???????
Most likely $425 including shipping. ;D
--FF
Dude. DUDE! Sounds epic, will you be doing vials regularly or is this a once off? (if it's once off let me sell my bike & get some btc to get in please?) (also looking forward to the WoW v. much)
Oh my good God you people are PATHETIC!. Don't you get this. FF have not delivered ONE DAMN THING that has come close to their endless promises.(1. And yet every time they start dangling the promise of some new goody in front of you, you piss your pants like excited toddlers.) It's just amazing. They talk about the weak blotters like that was all somebody else's fault and anyone who even raises it as an issue is obviously an asshole. Please, get this:
They advertised blotters at 130 mics. and WoW at the same potency.
All they have shipped out isa load of print blotters with maybe 50 mics of acid on each of them. I'm sorry but you can pick up better shit from any of a dozen LSD vendors on SR.
(2.)They have not shipped out ANYTHING ELSE, despite promising)
(3.-WoW (where is it?))
(4.-chocolate wafers (where were they? what happened to the people who who supposedly reserved them?))
(5.One minute they tell us they are 'clearing house', the next minute they have plenty of acid to put on wafers.)(6. One minute they have a time-limited group buy on WoW, the next minute they have enough to re-ship everyone who bought the crappy blotters.)
Jesus when are you going to stop leaping up and down like excited puppies every time they promise you some new toy? They are so obviously full of shit.(7. PLEASE SHOW US ONE PERSON WHO HAS RECEIVED WHAT THEY WERE PROMISED BY THESE GUYS.)
I have numbered your points and addressed them below.
1. We clearly said this would not happen until every other order is corrected. Please read before you post.
2. Umm, yes we have? Once again have you even been reading the thread?
3. A few people from here have some in their hands right now and the rest is sitting right here infront of me?
4. Lol we discussed this for nearly 3 pages, so I know for damn sure you're not even reading and just trolling. After much discussion we decided they would not even be worth the risk and work put into them, therefore we did not do them...
5. Again, it was understood we we're clearing stock to purchase the WoW's for the group buy.
6. Where do you think the WoWs being reshipped are coming from...? The group buy.. We covered this already too...
7. AGAIN READ THE THREAD. There's actually quite a few people who have received their orders as promised...
This is the last time I am addressing you trolls. If you have anything to say to me READ THE THREAD FIRST IT'S ALL IN THERE.
--FF
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Yo, FF. Down on my luck, just got scammed by a little twat for my last $100 worth of moneypak I just got. Would you send me a sample so I can give review in the mean time while listings are down? I have been dying to try your product and would buy more than a few vials if the quality of your L is good. Let me know. Peace.
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Just an update for everyone: Got a domestic package and international package from Canada today. The domestic package was shipped 2 days after my order from FF and my international package the same day as FF's. Not worried yet, just hope it makes it here by Thursday.
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For the last time. I said at least 4 times that we would not begin to offer the vials until EVERY order was fixed first. Even told a few people to not get their hopes up for them.. Do you guys even read the threads before you post?
--FF
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And all of our listings have been down.
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I apologize... It's been a VERY stressful week.
--FF
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I apologize... It's been a VERY stressful week.
--FF
Understandable :/ but luckily something came in the mail for me today :)
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I apologize... It's been a VERY stressful week.
--FF
Understandable :/ but luckily something came in the mail for me today :)
When will you know what it is? :o :o ;D
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OK SO REVIEW TIME!
My half sheet came in the mail today of print blotters. First thing I'd like to say is great shipping from the Family lol :) But next thing is, I bought the half sheet durng the sale where I would get an extra 15 blotters, I only recieved 50 :/ These are the first 2 things I can review before dropping tomorrow. Oh also like stated before, on the back of the sheet I see lots of big droplet spots. We will see how things go :P I will update tomorrow!
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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OK SO REVIEW TIME!
My half sheet came in the mail today of print blotters. First thing I'd like to say is great shipping from the Family lol :) But next thing is, I bought the half sheet durng the sale where I would get an extra 15 blotters, I only recieved 50 :/ These are the first 2 things I can review before dropping tomorrow. Oh also like stated before, on the back of the sheet I see lots of big droplet spots. We will see how things go :P I will update tomorrow!
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
You didn't get extra tabs as promised by FF? Sounds like false advertising to me.
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OK SO REVIEW TIME!
My half sheet came in the mail today of print blotters. First thing I'd like to say is great shipping from the Family lol :) But next thing is, I bought the half sheet durng the sale where I would get an extra 15 blotters, I only recieved 50 :/ These are the first 2 things I can review before dropping tomorrow. Oh also like stated before, on the back of the sheet I see lots of big droplet spots. We will see how things go :P I will update tomorrow!
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
You didn't get extra tabs as promised by FF? Sounds like false advertising to me.
Correct I did not :/ but I am sure FF will make up for it :)
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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OK SO REVIEW TIME!
My half sheet came in the mail today of print blotters. First thing I'd like to say is great shipping from the Family lol :) But next thing is, I bought the half sheet durng the sale where I would get an extra 15 blotters, I only recieved 50 :/ These are the first 2 things I can review before dropping tomorrow. Oh also like stated before, on the back of the sheet I see lots of big droplet spots. We will see how things go :P I will update tomorrow!
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
You didn't get extra tabs as promised by FF? Sounds like false advertising to me.
Correct I did not :/ but I am sure FF will make up for it :)
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
Welp. Color me disappointed. Unless my print turns out to be strong, it seems everything I expected when I ordered will have been untrue.
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And down the hatch two blotters go! tastes pretty bitter :/ but again like someone claimed before this could just be from the ink, because the reviews have been pretty confident of LSD being present so I will let everyone know :)
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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Been following this from the beginning, lurking and hoping. FF may be a bit unorganized, but still seems legit. Everyone has had those times in life when nothing at all will go right, and he seems to be making an honest effort at righting whatever wrongs have occurred.
Want FF to know there are plenty of people watching this who aren't actively posting. Business will be excellent if everything gets sorted properly. Wish would've grabbed some to sample before, but can't wait to try some when all is well and listings are back.
Sending good vibes your way at what is probably a stressful time...but reserve the right to switch those good vibes to death rays from Mars if the situation merits it :D
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Update
2 hits.... pretty strong I must say. but I puked, left me feeling a bit weak and its kinda hard to type this lol, would guess between 70-80 mics of great quality crystal. Will update more
best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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Update
2 hits.... pretty strong I must say. but I puked, left me feeling a bit weak and its kinda hard to type this lol, would guess between 70-80 mics of great quality crystal. Will update more
best Regards,
Stormtrooper
You puked? o_O
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Update
2 hits.... pretty strong I must say. but I puked, left me feeling a bit weak and its kinda hard to type this lol, would guess between 70-80 mics of great quality crystal. Will update more
best Regards,
Stormtrooper
You... puked? Is this normal for you? LSD doesn't make me nauseous whatsoever...
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Update
2 hits.... pretty strong I must say. but I puked, left me feeling a bit weak and its kinda hard to type this lol, would guess between 70-80 mics of great quality crystal. Will update more
best Regards,
Stormtrooper
You... puked? Is this normal for you? LSD doesn't make me nauseous whatsoever...
Serotonin agonist tend to cause nausea in me. Including LSD, MDMA, MDA, etc. Most psy's/enactogen's in general. Things I think most people don't puke on, but I did. Not a bad thing for me though, puking on MDMA or Acid is just refreshing.
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Update
2 hits.... pretty strong I must say. but I puked, left me feeling a bit weak and its kinda hard to type this lol, would guess between 70-80 mics of great quality crystal. Will update more
best Regards,
Stormtrooper
I can't believe I forgot your extra tabs. :( Nothing is going right at all. Well extra 20 strip of WoW for you as well.
--FF
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Hehe, DudeRugs got to taste the real WoW ;D
Order came fast. Tried the WoW and it was great. I was not able to try this sheet variation however so I can not speak upon its dose concentration. The white was phenomenal though.. if that means anything to anyone or not :)
Order arrived promptly. shipped express for free which was nice, however, may want to let recipient know that package is being delivered express so that when the mailman starts knocking on the door it doesn't catch someone off guard and cause them to start fluching things down the toilets :)... gave me a brief startle anyway. Also upgraded the print to WoW, which was very awesome. Ordered 1.5 sheets of print, received 1 sheet WoW and .5 sheet print. Not a bad deal if I do say so. The quality of the WoW was investigated immediately upon opening and expectations were certainly met if not exceeded. Took 1 tab to test the water and after 35 minutes I was too high. I wasn't planning on getting so high off one hit and had some things I needed to do before taking the rest of my dose. About 2.5 hours later I took 3 more tabs once I was ready to go to the deep end. Staggering the hits seemed to diminish the effects slightly and I also took some xanax after eating the first hit to allow me to finish my chores. I still was tripping rather intensely for the rest of the night. Took some mdma midway through but the L totally overpowered any noticeable effects. Definitely your fluff variety. I felt a bit amped up, similar to how most of the silver I had last summer made me feel. Was never able to try the printed sheet though. Overall satisfying experience. easy 5/5
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And do you guys have any idea why we're still receiving orders even though we took our listings down 2 days ago?? How do we stop this?
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Hehe, DudeRugs got to taste the real WoW ;D
Order came fast. Tried the WoW and it was great. I was not able to try this sheet variation however so I can not speak upon its dose concentration. The white was phenomenal though.. if that means anything to anyone or not :)
Order arrived promptly. shipped express for free which was nice, however, may want to let recipient know that package is being delivered express so that when the mailman starts knocking on the door it doesn't catch someone off guard and cause them to start fluching things down the toilets :)... gave me a brief startle anyway. Also upgraded the print to WoW, which was very awesome. Ordered 1.5 sheets of print, received 1 sheet WoW and .5 sheet print. Not a bad deal if I do say so. The quality of the WoW was investigated immediately upon opening and expectations were certainly met if not exceeded. Took 1 tab to test the water and after 35 minutes I was too high. I wasn't planning on getting so high off one hit and had some things I needed to do before taking the rest of my dose. About 2.5 hours later I took 3 more tabs once I was ready to go to the deep end. Staggering the hits seemed to diminish the effects slightly and I also took some xanax after eating the first hit to allow me to finish my chores. I still was tripping rather intensely for the rest of the night. Took some mdma midway through but the L totally overpowered any noticeable effects. Definitely your fluff variety. I felt a bit amped up, similar to how most of the silver I had last summer made me feel. Was never able to try the printed sheet though. Overall satisfying experience. easy 5/5
:)
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This is what we've been waiting for FF. Finally Feedback for Forever Family or FFFFF. Things seem to be looking up.
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these reviews have me looking forward to your reappearance ;D
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still nothing in my box :-( waiting on 5(7 with the special) WoW and a sheet of print. hopefully tomorrow will be the day :-)
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Still waiting. Was supposedly shipped 6 days ago under the premise of being a 2-3 day shipping time.
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I have finally landed back on earth lol still a bit is going on but clear enough to type a little bit :) And yes I puked, I get nauseous on hallucinagens enough to say it isn't out of the ordinary, definately wouldn't say its ordinary either. Nothing for the customers of FF to be concerned about really, just my body. I am also sick to begin with so I am sure that doesn't help too much. So here is my trip report now :)
Dropped the 2 hits, stinging in my mouth on my tongue mainly which raised suspision to me. Then in about 20 or so minutes drink a sip of koolaid and out comes the two tabs from my stomach into the toilet. But that puke punched me in the face with colors and kaleidoscope patterns, I was trippin damn hard. I go and lay back down in my bed with my girlfriend and feel sick and weak, the weakness is in my muscles but this is probably due to tensing so much and dry heaving. I am laying there and my girlfriends dad stops in and decides he wants to talk to me. Worst Timing Ever. We had our discussion while I was playing with the cat trippin very hard trying to pass off as sober. Looking at his face his eyes were shrinking and gowing and everything behind him was hazy and orange.... to sum it up, shit was going crazy behind her dads head lol. Finally after about a good half hour of trying to act sober I got to lay back down. I was experiencing heat flashes and getting shivers and upset stomach after I went and lied back down with my girlfriend, just not as bad as the take off. She falls asleep and I am left awake staring at the ceiling for a good few hours just thinking and thinking awesome things :) I was just thinking about how you can not really explain the way you feel or why you feel that way in a trip. Each trip is unique to each individual and you can not teach what you have been taught to others, they will learn from their unique experience when its their time. Now 6 hours in and I am being gently let back down with a clearer and clearer head :) Ok I am kinda rambling lol
To sum things up, this is legit LSD. Pretty potent stuf too I must say, not the strongest, but better than what I was thinking I was gonna get from others reviews. I had kinda a rough come up but this is natural for me and definately was not in the right enviornment. So as for my trip, not bad, not good either. Just kinda there. But what matters to everyone whether my trip was good or not is FAMILY FOREVER IS LEGIT! IT IS TRUE LSD AND PRETTY DECENT STUFF
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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I think I might have a clue as to the bitter taste ;D but I could be completely wrong. I know the first batch of the prints and WoW's were laid with the classic gram to a bottle of red label triple distilled vodka, but this latest batch was laid with pure everclear. This is the only thing I can possibly think of??
--FF
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hey, what did i end up getting, print or wow? :-D
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hey, what did i end up getting, print or wow? :-D
WoW if I remember correctly ;D
--FF
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yaaay
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Just so everyone is aware, DO NOT BLAME THE SUBSTANCE FOR MY ROUGH COME UP. I was in the wrong setting, already ill, etc pretty much I was in the exact scenario to not trip lol. Stupid on my part yes but I wanted a review for everyone to read and contribute to the community. :) So in conclusion, FF is has legit product that he/she/they really really really wanna share to the public otherwise they would have left long ago and we all would have thought "another domestic LSD scam..." as regards to their organization, that seems to be a bit of a cluster fuck. But that could also be due fom everyone attacking them. So eveyone lets give FF a breather for a minute to sort everything out and everyone will come out of this happy :)
Best Regards
Stormtrooper
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I'm glad this turned out to be well. Have you got your hands on more WoW ?
Yes'm ;D
--FF
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Just so everyone is aware, DO NOT BLAME THE SUBSTANCE FOR MY ROUGH COME UP. I was in the wrong setting, already ill, etc pretty much I was in the exact scenario to not trip lol. Stupid on my part yes but I wanted a review for everyone to read and contribute to the community. :) So in conclusion, FF is has legit product that he/she/they really really really wanna share to the public otherwise they would have left long ago and we all would have thought "another domestic LSD scam..." as regards to their organization, that seems to be a bit of a cluster fuck. But that could also be due fom everyone attacking them. So eveyone lets give FF a breather for a minute to sort everything out and everyone will come out of this happy :)
Best Regards
Stormtrooper
Don't forget to finalize ;D
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Hehe, DudeRugs got to taste the real WoW ;D
Order came fast. Tried the WoW and it was great. I was not able to try this sheet variation however so I can not speak upon its dose concentration. The white was phenomenal though.. if that means anything to anyone or not :)
Order arrived promptly. shipped express for free which was nice, however, may want to let recipient know that package is being delivered express so that when the mailman starts knocking on the door it doesn't catch someone off guard and cause them to start fluching things down the toilets :)... gave me a brief startle anyway. Also upgraded the print to WoW, which was very awesome. Ordered 1.5 sheets of print, received 1 sheet WoW and .5 sheet print. Not a bad deal if I do say so. The quality of the WoW was investigated immediately upon opening and expectations were certainly met if not exceeded. Took 1 tab to test the water and after 35 minutes I was too high. I wasn't planning on getting so high off one hit and had some things I needed to do before taking the rest of my dose. About 2.5 hours later I took 3 more tabs once I was ready to go to the deep end. Staggering the hits seemed to diminish the effects slightly and I also took some xanax after eating the first hit to allow me to finish my chores. I still was tripping rather intensely for the rest of the night. Took some mdma midway through but the L totally overpowered any noticeable effects. Definitely your fluff variety. I felt a bit amped up, similar to how most of the silver I had last summer made me feel. Was never able to try the printed sheet though. Overall satisfying experience. easy 5/5
Damn, it sounds like that WoW is straight fire. Can't wait to try it. FF, did my sample make it out the door?? :D
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I wanna place an order for a sheet but your listings have been pulled D: when's the earliest I may?
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I wanna place an order for a sheet but your listings have been pulled D: when's the earliest I may?
Once we get everything else sorted out ;D We will most likely put up 20-30 sheets this Saturday for the weekend sale. ;D
--FF
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O_O
Magic word is sale.
What prices we looking at?
$400-$425 most likely. Have to see what kinda dent refilling all these orders is going to put in my pocketbook.
--FF
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Hope you got my PM FF, trying to finalize, SR is always acting funky :/
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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So glad to see great reviews coming through for FF now. :) He's been working so hard he really deserves it. Sorry for bugging you man!
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O_O
Magic word is sale.
What prices we looking at?
$400-$425 most likely. Have to see what kinda dent refilling all these orders is going to put in my pocketbook.
--FF
Sorry, just to clarify, we're talking about WoW right?
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Yup. The new batch
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Can't wait for the new batch if thats what the old batch did to me haha.
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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I'd be interested in a sheet at least. But I'd also like a sample before I invest. PM me please.
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$400-425 for a sheet of your new stuff, hot damn. Are you only selling in sheets? I can't afford a full sheet at the moment, but I want to get my hands on this batch.
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Is anyone else still waiting for the print order? I ordered last Tuesday...
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The print is what I got and it arrived safely :)
As for anyone that may have questions regarding this vendor don't hesitate to ask me :) I feel like its sometimes nice to talk to someone who isn't the person selling their product, and I just want this to all finally come to an end cuz I know that FF is legit now.
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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The print is what I got and it arrived safely :)
As for anyone that may have questions regarding this vendor don't hesitate to ask me :) I feel like its sometimes nice to talk to someone who isn't the person selling their product, and I just want this to all finally come to an end cuz I know that FF is legit now.
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
I've got a question....
Since you received your order....
You wanna hang out this weekend?
Hah kidding
But seriously, I believe you have tested FF's prints, no? Subjective thoughts on quality?
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I'm awaiting a halfsheet of prints! I ordered last Thursdayy(: I'm so exciteddd!
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I'm glad everything got figured out. =) so ill hopefully be placing my first order soon. Hopefully. Still waiting for a vendor to reach me on selling me bitcoins for MP ...
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The print is what I got and it arrived safely :)
As for anyone that may have questions regarding this vendor don't hesitate to ask me :) I feel like its sometimes nice to talk to someone who isn't the person selling their product, and I just want this to all finally come to an end cuz I know that FF is legit now.
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
What do you estimate the dosage to be?
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The print is what I got and it arrived safely :)
As for anyone that may have questions regarding this vendor don't hesitate to ask me :) I feel like its sometimes nice to talk to someone who isn't the person selling their product, and I just want this to all finally come to an end cuz I know that FF is legit now.
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
I've got a question....
Since you received your order....
You wanna hang out this weekend?
Hah kidding
But seriously, I believe you have tested FF's prints, no? Subjective thoughts on quality?
haha I have hung out with other people that I met through pillreports, but I think that is a little more safe than Silk Road hahah xD But back to the actual question. I tested his prints yes :) I took 2 hits at once because I kept seeing hits spread apart or one hit reports. Thought I would change it up which in the end would actually make it harder for me to figure out dose per single hit. But I would have to give this a rough estimate of 180-200 mics after everything was all said and done, so each hit 90-100?? ehh 80-100, I wouldn't say it went passed 100 much if it did go passed that at all. Now this means that it was advertised incorrectly which FF should change that. But on the bright side is I would say it is still a snag of a deal for the price. :)
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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today wasn't my day either :-(
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How many confirmed orders/ unconfirmed are out.
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How many confirmed orders/ unconfirmed are out.
I'm still waiting for a week now on a 20-strip (plus bonus tabs) that was supposed to take only 2-3 days from the ship date. Ordered on Tuesday, was marked over 24 hours later as processing on Wednesday.
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Still waitin here too. Placed an order last Tuesday as well. Man, FF must have the shitiest luck of anyone I know! I was really hopin to have mine before the weekend, but it looks like I might have to wait another week. :( Oh well, patience is virtue!
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i hope it's just a coincidence Sr. Members have received theirs and newbies haven't... I just want to state i'm one of the "newbie" accounts but my real account carries much more weight. I hope to receive soon. Have given this fine gentleman the benefit of the doubt. But if my order does not come this week by friday, i'm asking for a reship from one of those WoW. Not assuming the worst, just assuming he's made some bad choices with the shipping methods maybe.
But why are some people getting express and others not???
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Yep no delivery today. I believe at this point that its me who had the bad luck of believing FF's bullshit claims on their vendor page. To say FF had bad luck would make sense IF they hadn't said on their page that they changed their shipping method and would include extra tabs BEFORE I ordered. But, they did in fact say this exact thing wouldn't happen on their vendor page, which I believed and which led me to order from them, so FF is a shit vendor in my book.
I see myself in the resolution center in the near future because of these broken promises.
And the last thing I want is a reship from these liars.
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Yep no delivery today. I believe at this point that its me who had the bad luck of believing FF's bullshit claims on their vendor page. To say FF had bad luck would make sense IF they hadn't said on their page that they changed their shipping method and would include extra tabs BEFORE I ordered. But, they did in fact say this exact thing wouldn't happen on their vendor page, which I believed and which led me to order from them, so FF is a shit vendor in my book.
I see myself in the resolution center in the near future because of these broken promises.
Go to the resolution center right now and request a 100% refund. I will give it to you then please do not message me, place another order or post in this thread again. For the rest of you, thank you for your patience and believe me it is worth it.
--FF
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Yep no delivery today. I believe at this point that its me who had the bad luck of believing FF's bullshit claims on their vendor page. To say FF had bad luck would make sense IF they hadn't said on their page that they changed their shipping method and would include extra tabs BEFORE I ordered. But, they did in fact say this exact thing wouldn't happen on their vendor page, which I believed and which led me to order from them, so FF is a shit vendor in my book.
I see myself in the resolution center in the near future because of these broken promises.
Go to the resolution center right now and request a 100% refund. I will give it to you then please do not message me, place another order or post in this thread again. For the rest of you, thank you for your patience and believe me it is worth it.
--FF
No problem as soon as the resolve button opens up Ill hit it.
And I'll post where I please. Sending you a name and address only to have the shit not show up is beyond shady and I'll be glad to never deal with you again.
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hey, FF, could you reply to my message on the main SR site please? Still waiting on those DCNs you promised :-)
sorry to keep bugging you, but in order to participate in this weekend's sale(hopefully gonna get two sheets) i need to get this one and unload it by friday, so i can have funds available by saturday night, capisce?
thanks!
edit: do we REALLY need to go back to the shit slinging? :-/ I thought we'd established he was legit, if a bit scatterbrained and unorganized, but when having access to so much acid, who wouldn't be spun out half the time???
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Ok.
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hey, FF, could you reply to my message on the main SR site please? Still waiting on those DCNs you promised :-)
sorry to keep bugging you, but in order to participate in this weekend's sale(hopefully gonna get two sheets) i need to get this one and unload it by friday, so i can have funds available by saturday night, capisce?
thanks!
edit: do we REALLY need to go back to the shit slinging? :-/ I thought we'd established he was legit, if a bit scatterbrained and unorganized, but when having access to so much acid, who wouldn't be spun out half the time???
Haven't been able to get on SR yet today.. :-\
--FF
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hey, FF, could you reply to my message on the main SR site please? Still waiting on those DCNs you promised :-)
sorry to keep bugging you, but in order to participate in this weekend's sale(hopefully gonna get two sheets) i need to get this one and unload it by friday, so i can have funds available by saturday night, capisce?
thanks!
edit: do we REALLY need to go back to the shit slinging? :-/ I thought we'd established he was legit, if a bit scatterbrained and unorganized, but when having access to so much acid, who wouldn't be spun out half the time???
My goal wasn't to sling any shit but rather talk to FF since he doesn't respond to PM's, and let the community know the experiences of people who ordered from him.
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sent it to your inbox here on the forum site right now :-)
and forget the haters. Like i told you, once i confirm this order i'll post with my OVDB screen name and give a full detailed trip report. My vouch should at least get the OVDB community to trust you, and they are a'hankering for some good acid since summer, hehe.
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in the spirit of full disclosure, he's provided the DCNs, BUT neither of them are functioning as of now(not checked through tor, not an idiot, hehe). So either horrible bad luck on FF's part, or they are reships from after he let the middle man go and they still haven't been scanned.
let's hope my optimism is correct... i'm still holding out hope that he's going to deliver :-)
please come through man, i've been rooting for you since the beginning. :-)
oh, and just in case, as long as i get something, i'm giving a 5 of 5, as getting a few white lies is much much much better than getting scammed!
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Just when you think FF has turned a corner......I keep reading WAY TOO MANY reports of product not received yet. What is UP? It's like the X files.....the truth is out there and we ALL WANT TO BELIEVE.
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in the spirit of full disclosure, he's provided the DCNs, BUT neither of them are functioning as of now(not checked through tor, not an idiot, hehe). So either horrible bad luck on FF's part, or they are reships from after he let the middle man go and they still haven't been scanned.
let's hope my optimism is correct... i'm still holding out hope that he's going to deliver :-)
please come through man, i've been rooting for you since the beginning. :-)
oh, and just in case, as long as i get something, i'm giving a 5 of 5, as getting a few white lies is much much much better than getting scammed!
I was under the impression DCN's were not tracking? That they only register once the package is delivered? I could be wrong though..
--FF
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They usually get scanned at the receiving post office and the sorting center. it may go silent for a while after that until delivery, but most times they'll update at least the major stops. At least all of mine have always shown at least the sorting center information.
Did these go out first class, priority or express and around what time frame? Because i'll admit i've never received or shipped first class with DCN so i wouldn't know for thsoe methods, but i believe for that the package would have to be over 1/4" thick(ie, a bubble mailer).
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I believe the first was priority and the second was first class. If they don't arrive to you in time for the sale guido I will send you 2 sheets on consignment. Fair enough?
--FF
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in the spirit of full disclosure, he's provided the DCNs, BUT neither of them are functioning as of now(not checked through tor, not an idiot, hehe). So either horrible bad luck on FF's part, or they are reships from after he let the middle man go and they still haven't been scanned.
let's hope my optimism is correct... i'm still holding out hope that he's going to deliver :-)
please come through man, i've been rooting for you since the beginning. :-)
oh, and just in case, as long as i get something, i'm giving a 5 of 5, as getting a few white lies is much much much better than getting scammed!
I was under the impression DCN's were not tracking? That they only register once the package is delivered? I could be wrong though..
--FF
Are you using those green tags that you stick on, and tear off part? If so, you should be able to track those, from the very least, once they are shipped, and once they are delivered. These are the only ones I know of. Is there another way?
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fair enough :-)
ENBOOM can attest to the fact that i pay all debts :-)
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So how many of the group buy recipients have weighed in? I think I only saw reports from Stormtrooper and myself?
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like i said, waiting anxiously on mine to report :-)
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like i said, waiting anxiously on mine to report :-)
Same here! I've been assured that I should receive my order before the weekend. Fingers crossed :)
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So how many of the group buy recipients have weighed in? I think I only saw reports from Stormtrooper and myself?
Duderugs and psychbees also. Swifttabs received his order the other day also but he hasn't finalized or said a word since he ordered...?
--FF
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Any progress on the reships FF? You mentioned you were gonna put up someething on SR to organize it?
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My order shipped the 25th, still not here. No candy flip for me today :(
FF, where would be the best place to contact you?
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My order shipped the 25th, still not here. No candy flip for me today :(
FF, where would be the best place to contact you?
Right here ;D Sounds like I need to get some WoW out to you also then?
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My order shipped the 25th, still not here. No candy flip for me today :(
FF, where would be the best place to contact you?
Right here ;D Sounds like I need to get some WoW out to you also then?
How do you explain shipments made on the 25th not showing up? Where did they go? This was after you said you changed your shipping method...
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Ordered silver fluff sheets on 24th and 25th Jan. Still waiting.
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My order shipped the 25th, still not here. No candy flip for me today :(
FF, where would be the best place to contact you?
Right here ;D Sounds like I need to get some WoW out to you also then?
What ever you deem satisfactory. If I just get the 10 strip of print you promised, I would be happy. I'm easy to please :)
Do I need to resend my address?
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Yes, a custom listing is going up right now for Deleuze, Scot Walker and Trinitron to purchase for 0 btc. Encrypt your address there and you will get your reshipments of the new WoW batch sent out with the WoW group buy orders. That way everybody is getting everything at the same time and theirs no excuses for orders showing up late.
--FF
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Thanks Bro! Just got home, and checked my mail, and nothing yet. Logged on to see if the others had gotten theirs yet, and instead see this! ;D
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Yes, a custom listing is going up right now for Deleuze, Scot Walker and Trinitron to purchase for 0 btc. Encrypt your address there and you will get your reshipments of the new WoW batch sent out with the WoW group buy orders. That way everybody is getting everything at the same time and theirs no excuses for orders showing up late.
--FF
This is really cool of you FF. I appreciate the gesture and generosity, especially since I've posted about you negatively.
But what I'd really appreciate, moreso than another shipment, is a clear explanation as to what exactly happened to the name and address I sent you the first time. This might also allay the fears of people who are waiting and those who want to participate in the group buy.
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hey, how about me, FF, checked both boxes today, zilch :-(
and the DCN's are stil inactive.
can i get in on the o btc listing?
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hey, how about me, FF, checked both boxes today, zilch :-(
and the DCN's are stil inactive.
can i get in on the o btc listing?
Yea sorry about that guido, I meant to put your name up their to begin with.
--FF
And to deleuze, most likely lost in usps land forever bouncing back and forth between undeliverable and unreturnable. Or our reshipper let the greed get to him, which personally is what I believe, but my partner can't come to believe it. And he simply never resent the package out hoping it would just be lost in the confusion. Either way you are getting a full replacement of the new WoWs.
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So these would go out with the ones from saturday? Are they going priority?
I would HIGHLY suggest sending all of them priority with DCN, and the DCN provided at the time of shipping to those that request it, at least the ones with the reships.
in fact, i'd pay extra for SIGNING WAIVED express shipping(ie, you check the thing that says "no signature needed") as soon as possible with the DCN provided. I'd rather avoid first class AT ALL costs, as first class mail has NO guarantee of delivery, ie, they can lose it and it's all good on their part :-P
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So these would go out with the ones from saturday? Are they going priority?
I would HIGHLY suggest sending all of them priority with DCN, and the DCN provided at the time of shipping to those that request it, at least the ones with the reships.
in fact, i'd pay extra for SIGNING WAIVED express shipping(ie, you check the thing that says "no signature needed") as soon as possible with the DCN provided. I'd rather avoid first class AT ALL costs, as first class mail has NO guarantee of delivery, ie, they can lose it and it's all good on their part :-P
I too wouldn't mind paying a little extra for a better shipping method as long as there is no sig required. I tend to think that if you are still having someone re-ship the letters, they are messing with them. There's just been way too much fucked up shit going on with this whole thing. Some people getting good shit, some people getting bad shit, some people not getting their shit at all, and some getting it right away. It definitely sounds to me like someone is messing with the orders one way, or another, somewhere along the line.
Peace Bro!
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Man so many shipping problems for domestic.....
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We're not using a middleman anymore he was canned a few days ago. So there's no shipping problems anymore ;D
--FF
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FF, any chance I could get in on the reship thing on SR? You mentioned you could throw me a few strips of the WoW to offset the weak sheet of print that I got.
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FF, any chance I could get in on the reship thing on SR? You mentioned you could throw me a few strips of the WoW to offset the weak sheet of print that I got.
Yea, go ahead and purchase the listing gogo, make sure you encrypt your address though, seems like I've been having alot of people forget to do that lately?
--FF
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Cool -- you mentioned these would go out with the group buy orders, next Monday?
and thanks again FF. :)
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Yup. The reshipments and the first part of the group buy will go out Monday, second part of the group buy, Tuesday, then the third Wednesday. ;D
--FF
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Can we have an option to have express shipped?
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I can do priority, express is really 2 day because I don't actually take it into the post office.
--FF
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Yup. The reshipments and the first part of the group buy will go out Monday, second part of the group buy, Tuesday, then the third Wednesday. ;D
--FF
FF can you just send me the 22 bitcoin refund ASAP so I can have the coin to order during the discount weekend?
I don't want to have to wait the 10 hours for the resolve button to open and then wait on the refund.
If you just send me the coin now Ill finalize and leave you a 5/5 for 100 percent refund.
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hey, you need to make another reship listing, when i finally got on there were none left.
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I placed an order for a 5 strip of print last wed/thurs and was wondering what the word is on these. I'm really not sure when they shipped, as I've had trouble connecting to SR the following few days after I ordered. They are marked "in transit" now (since at least tues), and I'm really not yet worried they haven't arrived yet.. I'm just wondering if I should be worried about the potency. Keeping up with this thread over the last week or so has been quite the trip itself. As of now, I have faith FF is legitimately getting orders out, but I haven't seen much in the way of reviews yet. I thought I read at least one account of the acid being not to strong (not sure if WoW, print, same batch etc obviously), and at least one saying it was decently strong. I'm just curious as I'm kind of taking introducing a friend to Lucy and don't want them to end up unsatisfied. I really don't mean to sound negative, and I hope everything goes well in the end. I hope I can say I have a new acid connect after all is said and done.
So, yeah, how's dat print?
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Yup. The reshipments and the first part of the group buy will go out Monday, second part of the group buy, Tuesday, then the third Wednesday. ;D
--FF
FF can you just send me the 22 bitcoin refund ASAP so I can have the coin to order during the discount weekend?
I don't want to have to wait the 10 hours for the resolve button to open and then wait on the refund.
If you just send me the coin now Ill finalize and leave you a 5/5 for 100 percent refund.
Refund sent. ;D
hey, you need to make another reship listing, when i finally got on there were none left.
Got another listing up. ;D
--FF
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I placed an order for a 5 strip of print last wed/thurs and was wondering what the word is on these. I'm really not sure when they shipped, as I've had trouble connecting to SR the following few days after I ordered. They are marked "in transit" now (since at least tues), and I'm really not yet worried they haven't arrived yet.. I'm just wondering if I should be worried about the potency. Keeping up with this thread over the last week or so has been quite the trip itself. As of now, I have faith FF is legitimately getting orders out, but I haven't seen much in the way of reviews yet. I thought I read at least one account of the acid being not to strong (not sure if WoW, print, same batch etc obviously), and at least one saying it was decently strong. I'm just curious as I'm kind of taking introducing a friend to Lucy and don't want them to end up unsatisfied. I really don't mean to sound negative, and I hope everything goes well in the end. I hope I can say I have a new acid connect after all is said and done.
So, yeah, how's dat print?
At this point it's safe to assume that all orders sent before we got rid of the middleman will either not show up or will be hit and miss on the potency. I can either issue you a 100% refund right now and if you receive the strips still and like them, take it as a gift lol. Or I can have you resend me your encrypted address and I'll reship your order from the new WoWs. Whichever you'd prefer. ;D Just let me know.
--FF
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doesn't matter too much there FF, Nomad has a hard on for you now, you schwag mf'er!
What's the problem?
--FF
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I placed an order for a 5 strip of print last wed/thurs and was wondering what the word is on these. I'm really not sure when they shipped, as I've had trouble connecting to SR the following few days after I ordered. They are marked "in transit" now (since at least tues), and I'm really not yet worried they haven't arrived yet.. I'm just wondering if I should be worried about the potency. Keeping up with this thread over the last week or so has been quite the trip itself. As of now, I have faith FF is legitimately getting orders out, but I haven't seen much in the way of reviews yet. I thought I read at least one account of the acid being not to strong (not sure if WoW, print, same batch etc obviously), and at least one saying it was decently strong. I'm just curious as I'm kind of taking introducing a friend to Lucy and don't want them to end up unsatisfied. I really don't mean to sound negative, and I hope everything goes well in the end. I hope I can say I have a new acid connect after all is said and done.
So, yeah, how's dat print?
At this point it's safe to assume that all orders sent before we got rid of the middleman will either not show up or will be hit and miss on the potency. I can either issue you a 100% refund right now and if you receive the strips still and like them, take it as a gift lol. Or I can have you resend me your encrypted address and I'll reship your order from the new WoWs. Whichever you'd prefer. ;D Just let me know.
--FF
You've got some of the best customer service I've seen on SR. If it really isn't too much I'd love a taste of the WoW's, at least know that it'll bring me back for (a lot) more! I'll send you a message on the main site with my address encrypted. I'll let you know if those other ones come through,though that's kind of a moot point now haha.
Thanks again.
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someone else keeps taking em, cause it's not there :-S
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Lol, try one more time guido, should be up now ;D
And listings for the sale are up guys!!!
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/20030
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/20031
--FF
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someone else keeps taking em, cause it's not there :-S
It's there bro, go to their page, and scroll all the way to the bottom. It's listed under Cannabis.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/128789
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these wow better get here quick, i'm in a tripping mood and i'd rather not have my tolerance take a hit and not be able to test these correctly!
If they indeed go out priority they should make it by the weekend for everybody :-)
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these wow better get here quick, i'm in a tripping mood and i'd rather not have my tolerance take a hit and not be able to test these correctly!
If they indeed go out priority they should make it by the weekend for everybody :-)
Sooner than the weekend! Priority is 2-3 days I believe ;D ;D
--FF
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just know that the standard i'm testing against is enelysion's WoW and cartoon shivas, 100mcg and 80-90 respectively. I rarely take just one hit, it's almost torture to me as i'm ALMOST normal, to the point i can get bored, but not normal enough were i can actually interact with normal people, haha, but for this test i will take just one to ascertain the correct dosage.
you're going up against the king(everyone that got to try enelysion before his demise loved him) and i actually think you might win... so i hope you can pull off a crown!
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Tonight, I'm trying the print sheet I got last week again.
This time I'm trying some of the tabs that clearly have a droplet on them. Not sure what the droplet is...best case it's some of the liquid that FF was talking about offering in a GB.
One drop roughly covered 4 tabs, so I ate all 4. I don't believe there to be much LSD on the 4 tabs as it is, the last trip out on 3 tabs was pretty weak, possibly ~100mics all together, by later, more sober and careful analysis.
Anyway, ate up a few minutes ago, I'll report back, hopefully to say that at least SOME of the print sheet I got was fire :)
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Tonight, I'm trying the print sheet I got last week again.
This time I'm trying some of the tabs that clearly have a droplet on them. Not sure what the droplet is...best case it's some of the liquid that FF was talking about offering in a GB.
One drop roughly covered 4 tabs, so I ate all 4. I don't believe there to be much LSD on the 4 tabs as it is, the last trip out on 3 tabs was pretty weak, possibly <100mic by later, more careful analysis.
Anyway, ate up a few minutes ago, I'll report back, hopefully to say that at least SOME of the print sheet I got was fire :)
Sounds like the reshipper may have switched the sheet out as I suspected. :-\ I wouldn't get your hopes up... Just wait for the WoWs! ;D ;D
--FF
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Ahhhh, so my group buy print sheet did come via the bullshit reshipper ? That makes a lot of sense ... why I got mine immediately (Ordered weds recvd Sat) but some out of the same group buy STILL have never received.
Dude, I'm really sorry your friend broke your trust. That hurts more than the lost money / rep IMO.
All the best man. :)
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Ahhhh, so my group buy print sheet did come via the bullshit reshipper ? That makes a lot of sense ... why I got mine immediately (Ordered weds recvd Sat) but some out of the same group buy STILL have never received.
Dude, I'm really sorry your friend broke your trust. That hurts more than the lost money / rep IMO.
All the best man. :)
I wouldn't call him a friend.. Just an associate who had an opportunity to make some easy money on the side but let the greed get to him for a quick payout.
--FF
But yes keep me updated anyway ;D
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Interesting update! That droplet on the back of the sheet really had some kick to it, I think :D This is some of the most gorgeous, righteous, beautiful L that I've sourced off of this site.
So I took the 4 tabs the droplet was touching and I am just in the most beautiful acid-space that I've seen in weeks of sampling different vendors wares off this site.
Just.
Fucking.
Beautiful.
I am stunned, ESPECIALLY given how totally underwhelmed I was with the other tabs I tried last week. But my guess is someone, possibly the reshipper (??), dropped some BEAUTIFUL liquid onto the weak/bunk sheets.
But really FF, this is just absolutely Righteous L you've got. My only regret is there are only like 10 drops on the back of the sheet...not quite as many trips as I was hoping for. The few strips that are well covered by drops are probably just straight FIRE, but as for the other 70 hits...lol :/
Anyway, with this new trip report, I leave it to you FF to decide if I should be getting some reshipped WoW, as I obviously did get some amazing L from you...just not a lot :P
To clear up anything I've said earlier in this thread about FF not proving himself to have the legit goods....holy FUCK WAS I WRONG. This is beautiful, clean L. BEAUTIFUL. :D If this next batch of WoW goes off without a hitch and the potency is anything like what I'm sampling right now, we're going to have a thread full of people going ape shit...
He was given a quarter vial as part of his payment for reshipping, my guess is he swapped the sheets out for fresh ones and added a few drops of the liquid we gave him to each one. >:( >:(
--FF
I am glad, however, that you finally got to see what I've been ranting and raving about for so long ;D ;D
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I don't think I can rant and rave enough about how fucking beautifully clean and amazing this stuff is. JUST HOLY SHIT WOW.
Hold on to your hats folks, when all this stupid bullshit shakes out and we realize we have another Ene quality hookup on our hands.....
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I don't think I can rant and rave enough about how fucking beautifully clean and amazing this stuff is. JUST HOLY SHIT WOW.
Hold on to your hats folks, when all this stupid bullshit shakes out and we realize we have another Ene quality hookup on our hands.....
You said that was pretty much one drops worth correct? That means that's one tab of your guys' new sheets. So don't go droppin 3 right off the bat because you read about potency issues earlier in the thread ;D
--FF
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Yeah the droplet fit neatly onto 4 tabs....and lol, if you are serious about the potency on the WoW....You're gonna have at least a few people in here claiming it's too much :D I'm well versed in my L, and this could send a novice spinning for sure.
Gotta ask, with my updated reports (just updated my SR review too :D), do you still feel its fair to reship me some of the WoW in place of the bunk part of my sheet?
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Yeah the droplet fit neatly onto 4 tabs....and lol, if you are serious about the potency on the WoW....You're gonna have at least a few people in here claiming it's too much :D I'm well versed in my L, and this could send a novice spinning for sure.
Gotta ask, with my updated reports (just updated my SR review too :D), do you still feel its fair to reship me some of the WoW in place of the bunk part of my sheet?
I already told you I would and I'm not gunna go back on my word now. ;D
--FF
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Sounding better all the time FF. Way to hang in there......and prove us skeptics wrong.
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Sounding better all the time FF. Way to hang in there......and prove us skeptics wrong.
Doin my best ;D
--FF
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Wow, man FF and Gogogoggins are in a straight up circle jerk....no offense.
Glad to see FF's product being delivered and quality being vouched for. For how much bullshit FF has put up with to this point, some due to his practices and others due to SR whiney-faces, I have to say kudos on hangin in there FF.
Now lets get a few more confirmed deliveries and quality reports, and then all these nay-sayers can be silenced forever :)
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Wow, man FF and Gogogoggins are in a straight up circle jerk....no offense.
How? He commented on the product and I thanked him for it and told him I would still send him a replacement.. ???
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Yeah well when we hear back from that idiot who bought 3 bunk sheets then I'll believe it.
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FF hope to hear a response soon, your rejection is making me sad. ):
+1
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Wow, man FF and Gogogoggins are in a straight up circle jerk....no offense.
How? He commented on the product and I thanked him for it and told him I would still send him a replacement.. ???
Was 100% a joke, literally no offense intended.
The buyer-seller relationship is a sacred bond, upheld since the beginning of time, and I was just making a sarcastic quip about the beauty of it.
Point of that post was just to say 'Keep up good work FF'. That is all.
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Dude.. seriously... that's a weird analogy to use...
I can't even begin to imagine the weird stuff that must come out of your mouth during an intense trip.... haha.
that said, happy to hear the glowing review of the xtal itself. :-)
I seriously want to take some klono's and just sleep till it's here! hehe.
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Yeah well when we hear back from that idiot who bought 3 bunk sheets then I'll believe it.
How is he an idiot? We've already worked everything out in the resolution center and he is still in full escrow? His new sheets are going out Monday with everybody else's..
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sent it to your inbox here on the forum site right now :-)
and forget the haters. Like i told you, once i confirm this order i'll post with my OVDB screen name and give a full detailed trip report. My vouch should at least get the OVDB community to trust you, and they are a'hankering for some good acid since summer, hehe.
OVDB??
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sent it to your inbox here on the forum site right now :-)
and forget the haters. Like i told you, once i confirm this order i'll post with my OVDB screen name and give a full detailed trip report. My vouch should at least get the OVDB community to trust you, and they are a'hankering for some good acid since summer, hehe.
OVDB??
A site kinda like SR but based more on trust. It's not up anymore though :-\
--FF
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I put in for a 1/2 sheet.
This sale is fantastic, and you can't really go wrong in escrow.
I would only be sad if they were weak or didn't arrive... and it has never not arrived for me.
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OVDB??
A site kinda like SR but based more on trust. It's not up anymore though :-\
--FF
sorry, but saying SR is like OVDB is like saying Walmart is like a tradeshow.
SR, until you came along at least, has historically been INCREDIBLY over priced and with few exceptions(namely mitanox and maybe dramsterdam) were third and fourth hand dealers. I don't see anyone here offering kilo's of MDMA and actually hitting pecunix transaction limits, haha.
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Hmmm, so what exactly happened to OVDB causing it to shutdown?
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Last night I took two of the print that went out with the first order, and I noticed it was different than the print in the picture so there must have been some sort of mix up in the whole shipping fiasco. After eating two, I went for a joyous bike ride while the sun was setting. Around 30-40 minutes I stopped and watched the clouds form into 3-D geometric patterns, but there was no movement typical of my full visual experience. I continued listening to Miles Davis and kept riding, noticing I was becoming very focused on the path in front of me with out taking much heed to the outside world. I was definitely off baseline, but not more than a plus one. I came home and smoked some BHO about 1:15 in and watched some tv while interacting fine with my sober roommate without much difficulty. I was spacier than usual for BHO and had a few times where I zoned out but at most I would say a plus one at the peak. I had a slight head buzz and felt my thoughts more scattered than usual. No visuals though but I did feel quiet nice, and didn't get to sleep until 8 hours in.
I'm really excited to try some of this WoW soon!
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the admin got tired of running it :-P it was a not for profit site.
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I ordered 1/2 sheet in January and FF show it being shipped on the 1st of Febuary. An in country transfer. Sent a couple of messages to ff asking to release my Funds. Did get one answer that it has been shipped.
Sure! Sent a msg to SR a couple of days ago advising them of the scam and to hold the funds and when can I expect to get the funds released to me. No response yet.
Has anyone heard from SR?? They have to be very aware that this is a big problem. I would think that they have a responsibility to the buyers in Escrow and others to inform us of whats going on and what we can expect. I would certainly like those funds back to order from someone else.
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To be honest, I have not received one piece of 3 that were said to be sent as a sample several weeks ago. Im not sure why but I am tired of running to check the mail everyday.
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SR Fraud Prevention is aware of the situation and have been monitoring it, do not worry. I think I was one of the first to send a scam alert, and the fraud prevention has been response to my messages.
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I'm glad SR admin are monitoring the situation, but if it is they who have told FF that the deadline for clearing this all up is Tuesday, then they are being way too lenient.
SR admin should not be forcing customers with funds in escrow to wait another day.
All FF orders should be cancelled NOW.
Presumably there are people who have had money sat in escrow for like 6 weeks here. Even if they are naive enough to carry on leaving it there, SR has a duty to protect them from their naivety and to punish FF for their complete incompetence and their proven lying.
Come on SR - make an example of these clowns and restore our faith in the escrow system. Act NOW.
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SR doesn't aren't explicitly responsible for the things you've said, there is not enough proof to take such action. If you have faith in the escrow system, then wait it out.
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never got the reshipment I was promised 3 weeks ago. FF seems to have vanished aswell, haven't got a response to my messages either.
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never got the reshipment I was promised 3 weeks ago. FF seems to have vanished aswell, haven't got a response to my messages either.
Have you been following the other thread? If you were one of the people who got the custom listing for your addie, then it should be here tomorrow if it didn't come today. Mine came today, as did several others.
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I havent. catching up now, hopefully it comes in tommorrow. Forums were down for a long time for me for some reason
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I havent. catching up now, hopefully it comes in tommorrow. Forums were down for a long time for me for some reason
If you have trouble getting on, try clicking the "Use new identity" tab in Vidalia. Works for me when I'm having trouble.
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I'm still waiting for mine, ordered 8 days ago...
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I'm still waiting for mine, ordered 8 days ago...
Expect it tomorrow ;D
--FF
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I'm still waiting for mine, ordered 8 days ago...
Expect it tomorrow ;D
--FF
Can't wait, I'm yet to experience LSD, so excited! =)
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FF claimed to have had it in the mail a week and a half ago, in-country.
They stopped responding to PMs despite them visiting the site every day (you can click on their profile and it shows when they have last been online). After the second unanswered PM asking for status, they just canceled the order. I was willing to hear them out, but they just refused to answer. If it was an honest screw-up, I would have accepted a re-ship and left positive feedback when it arrived. But it was just summarily canceled with no explanation after holding my funds in escrow for a week and a half (during which time, the bitcoin value dropped significantly).
I will feel like a complete tool for posting this if it arrives in the mail tomorrow or something, but seriously, they either lied about shipping from within the country, lied about the day they shipped, lied about it being shipped at all or shipped it so indiscreetly that it got snagged enroute (and since they basically sell a product that can't be sniffed by drug dogs, has no noticeable thickness and needs no special packaging, that's damn unlikely).
They also no longer have active listings on SR as of a few minutes ago. Either they bailed, or the SR admins shut them down, or they are just keeping a low profile until the current rash of complaints dies down. In any case, I advise staying away and ordering from one of the reputable vendors rather than FF.
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FF claimed to have had it in the mail a week and a half ago, in-country.
They stopped responding to PMs despite them visiting the site every day (you can click on their profile and it shows when they have last been online). After the second unanswered PM asking for status, they just canceled the order. I was willing to hear them out, but they just refused to answer. If it was an honest screw-up, I would have accepted a re-ship and left positive feedback when it arrived. But it was just summarily canceled with no explanation after holding my funds in escrow for a week and a half (during which time, the bitcoin value dropped significantly).
I will feel like a complete tool for posting this if it arrives in the mail tomorrow or something, but seriously, they either lied about shipping from within the country, lied about the day they shipped, lied about it being shipped at all or shipped it so indiscreetly that it got snagged enroute (and since they basically sell a product that can't be sniffed by drug dogs, has no noticeable thickness and needs no special packaging, that's damn unlikely).
They also no longer have active listings on SR as of a few minutes ago. Either they bailed, or the SR admins shut them down, or they are just keeping a low profile until the current rash of complaints dies down. In any case, I advise staying away and ordering from one of the reputable vendors rather than FF.
Almost every order has arrived now. Check my vendor page. You spammed my message box day after day after I told you you could either have a reship or a full refund. After you messaged me 3 times in a row I simply gave you a 100% refund even though it will most likely arrive over the weekend. 11 orders arrived yesterday and today alone. Get off the scammer bandwagon already, please.
--FF
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FF claimed to have had it in the mail a week and a half ago, in-country.
They stopped responding to PMs despite them visiting the site every day (you can click on their profile and it shows when they have last been online). After the second unanswered PM asking for status, they just canceled the order. I was willing to hear them out, but they just refused to answer. If it was an honest screw-up, I would have accepted a re-ship and left positive feedback when it arrived. But it was just summarily canceled with no explanation after holding my funds in escrow for a week and a half (during which time, the bitcoin value dropped significantly).
I will feel like a complete tool for posting this if it arrives in the mail tomorrow or something, but seriously, they either lied about shipping from within the country, lied about the day they shipped, lied about it being shipped at all or shipped it so indiscreetly that it got snagged enroute (and since they basically sell a product that can't be sniffed by drug dogs, has no noticeable thickness and needs no special packaging, that's damn unlikely).
They also no longer have active listings on SR as of a few minutes ago. Either they bailed, or the SR admins shut them down, or they are just keeping a low profile until the current rash of complaints dies down. In any case, I advise staying away and ordering from one of the reputable vendors rather than FF.
Almost every order has arrived now. Check my vendor page. You spammed my message box day after day after I told you you could either have a reship or a full refund. After you messaged me 3 times in a row I simply gave you a 100% refund even though it will most likely arrive over the weekend. 11 orders arrived yesterday and today alone. Get off the scammer bandwagon already, please.
--FF
FF is a scammer OoO
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FF claimed to have had it in the mail a week and a half ago, in-country.
They stopped responding to PMs despite them visiting the site every day (you can click on their profile and it shows when they have last been online). After the second unanswered PM asking for status, they just canceled the order. I was willing to hear them out, but they just refused to answer. If it was an honest screw-up, I would have accepted a re-ship and left positive feedback when it arrived. But it was just summarily canceled with no explanation after holding my funds in escrow for a week and a half (during which time, the bitcoin value dropped significantly).
I will feel like a complete tool for posting this if it arrives in the mail tomorrow or something, but seriously, they either lied about shipping from within the country, lied about the day they shipped, lied about it being shipped at all or shipped it so indiscreetly that it got snagged enroute (and since they basically sell a product that can't be sniffed by drug dogs, has no noticeable thickness and needs no special packaging, that's damn unlikely).
They also no longer have active listings on SR as of a few minutes ago. Either they bailed, or the SR admins shut them down, or they are just keeping a low profile until the current rash of complaints dies down. In any case, I advise staying away and ordering from one of the reputable vendors rather than FF.
Almost every order has arrived now. Check my vendor page. You spammed my message box day after day after I told you you could either have a reship or a full refund. After you messaged me 3 times in a row I simply gave you a 100% refund even though it will most likely arrive over the weekend. 11 orders arrived yesterday and today alone. Get off the scammer bandwagon already, please.
--FF
Fucking crybaby :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
If you sent everyone a ten pack instead of a sheet and it was legit, I doubt if anyone would continue with your bullshit. You lie too much, your shit is inconsistent, and you think that 11 orders arriving makes you the SR King of LSD, LMAO. You aren't shit around here, until that changes, quit acting like it. I knew guys moving grams of raw every week and before he got locked up he was never a cocky self absorbed fuck like yourself. He used the sacrament in the right way, not just to make a dollar like you are.
I'd be highly, highly surprised if you're still here in a month, like envy already said. Unless of course you go by another name, how many have you done now, lets see/// There's 18kct, gummystars, ff. Any others that you were involved in?
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FF claimed to have had it in the mail a week and a half ago, in-country.
They stopped responding to PMs despite them visiting the site every day (you can click on their profile and it shows when they have last been online). After the second unanswered PM asking for status, they just canceled the order. I was willing to hear them out, but they just refused to answer. If it was an honest screw-up, I would have accepted a re-ship and left positive feedback when it arrived. But it was just summarily canceled with no explanation after holding my funds in escrow for a week and a half (during which time, the bitcoin value dropped significantly).
I will feel like a complete tool for posting this if it arrives in the mail tomorrow or something, but seriously, they either lied about shipping from within the country, lied about the day they shipped, lied about it being shipped at all or shipped it so indiscreetly that it got snagged enroute (and since they basically sell a product that can't be sniffed by drug dogs, has no noticeable thickness and needs no special packaging, that's damn unlikely).
They also no longer have active listings on SR as of a few minutes ago. Either they bailed, or the SR admins shut them down, or they are just keeping a low profile until the current rash of complaints dies down. In any case, I advise staying away and ordering from one of the reputable vendors rather than FF.
Almost every order has arrived now. Check my vendor page. You spammed my message box day after day after I told you you could either have a reship or a full refund. After you messaged me 3 times in a row I simply gave you a 100% refund even though it will most likely arrive over the weekend. 11 orders arrived yesterday and today alone. Get off the scammer bandwagon already, please.
--FF
Fucking crybaby :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
If you sent everyone a ten pack instead of a sheet and it was legit, I doubt if anyone would continue with your bullshit. You lie too much, your shit is inconsistent, and you think that 11 orders arriving makes you the SR King of LSD, LMAO. You aren't shit around here, until that changes, quit acting like it. I knew guys moving grams of raw every week and before he got locked up he was never a cocky self absorbed fuck like yourself. He used the sacrament in the right way, not just to make a dollar like you are.
I'd be highly, highly surprised if you're still here in a month, like envy already said. Unless of course you go by another name, how many have you done now, lets see/// There's 18kct, gummystars, ff. Any others that you were involved in?
Did anyone receive anything from any of them...? And trust me more than 11 orders have arrived lol. I'm done replyin to you toker.
--FF
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LOL, in your other thread I'm a proven scammer/troll. Yet you reply to every post made here within 2 seconds LMAO.
Give me one quote of anyone saying what I scammed them out of. I'm all ears ;D ;D
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FF you claimed to have 50+ orders from the sale weekend (http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=10690.msg111533#msg111533)
At that time you also owed a bunch of people re-ships from your bunk first shipments.
So by your earlier accounts, 50-70+ orders should have arrived in the past week.
What proportion of that would you say have arrived?
Looking at your feedback page, I see a number of 5/5 feedbacks with no actual comments - this usually indicates a refund that may well have been forced by SR admin or may have been voluntary on your part. It rarely indicates a successful order.
So I'm asking. How many of the 50-70+ orders that according to you were you were supposed to have sent out have actually arrived? I'm not counting more than 12, on the basis of your feedback and your threads...Even if all of the 5/5s with no comment ARE successful orders, then I'm STILL not counting more than 16 successful orders in the past 2 weeks.
Can you please answer the question? 50+ sale orders you claimed. A whole bunch of re-ships on top of that. How come only 12-16 feedbacks indicating successful receipt in that time?
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HOLY SHIT, he asctully sent out 12-16 orders. EVERYONE, THIS JUST IN FF IS THE BEST LSD VENDOR THE ROAD HAS EVER SEEN!!!!! 12 SUCCESSFUL ORDERS AND COUNTING!!!!!!!!
ROFLMAO, Give it up bro, you're making yourself look bad at this point. I'm not the only one calling you out anymore, you noticed that? I have been letting the rest of the hounds attack now that they smell your mom's pussy juice on your chin. :'(
You are something else FF, host that group buy so you can run off with everyone's money, class act.
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Toker you need to toke on some weed and relax. Please. This forum is for knowledge and information not insults that sound like they were written by teenage trolls. "Smell your mom's pussy juice on your chin" Serious???
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Toker you need to toke on some weed and relax. Please. This forum is for knowledge and information not insults that sound like they were written by teenage trolls. "Smell your mom's pussy juice on your chin" Serious???
Yeah, you read it right. Turn your head if you don't like that shit.
If you don't like my posts, don't read them. Thanks
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Toker you need to toke on some weed and relax. Please. This forum is for knowledge and information not insults that sound like they were written by teenage trolls. "Smell your mom's pussy juice on your chin" Serious???
Yeah, you read it right. Turn your head if you don't like that shit.
If you don't like my posts, don't read them. Thanks
Same goes for you. If you don't like our posts, or FF's posts, stop fucking posting in them and mind your own business. Thanks.
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Toker you need to toke on some weed and relax. Please. This forum is for knowledge and information not insults that sound like they were written by teenage trolls. "Smell your mom's pussy juice on your chin" Serious???
Yeah, you read it right. Turn your head if you don't like that shit.
If you don't like my posts, don't read them. Thanks
Same goes for you. If you don't like our posts, or FF's posts, stop fucking posting in them and mind your own business. Thanks.
Look you fucking cunt muffin, IDK if your head is up your ass or you're just brain damaged. ??? Let me break it down for you, it's not just that I read his post and didn't like it. This fucker is still calling me a scammer and not even attempting to prove the accusation. I don't stand for that. It's not just me being a dick and posting because I didn't agree with what he said, it's asking for facts.
Mind your own fucking business, I don't think you were in this until you stuck your nose in it just now dumbass. Did you even think before you typed that?
Have a nice day, go eat some crow.
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Toker....Look dude....I appreciate your posts when you provide useful information it's just all the other vindictive personal shit I can deal without is all. Not gonna get in a pissing match with you over FF that's FOR SURE. I'll try my best to read the relevant parts of your posts and ignore the hateful bullshit the best I can I guess. :-)
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Toker you need to toke on some weed and relax. Please. This forum is for knowledge and information not insults that sound like they were written by teenage trolls. "Smell your mom's pussy juice on your chin" Serious???
Yeah, you read it right. Turn your head if you don't like that shit.
If you don't like my posts, don't read them. Thanks
Same goes for you. If you don't like our posts, or FF's posts, stop fucking posting in them and mind your own business. Thanks.
Look you fucking cunt muffin, IDK if your head is up your ass or you're just brain damaged. ??? Let me break it down for you, it's not just that I read his post and didn't like it. This fucker is still calling me a scammer and not even attempting to prove the accusation. I don't stand for that. It's not just me being a dick and posting because I didn't agree with what he said, it's asking for facts.
Mind your own fucking business, I don't think you were in this until you stuck your nose in it just now dumbass. Did you even think before you typed that?
Have a nice day, go eat some crow.
Point proven.
You have taken everything personal and none of your regards is concerning the whole community's best interest.
Thank you. ;D
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Still interested to see what comes of this. If FF gets his shit together and has good product his prices can't be beat. He also works in escrow, I do think that is a +1 to him. Has he actually ever scammed anyone? I haven't read one actual case, just crappy shipping methods is all. Everyone seems to have gotten a refund or reship. I don't have the patience or time to deal with that but I don't think it's fair to call someone a scammer if they haven't actually ripped anyone of money.
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If you stay in escrow what's the problem? :o
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How about this? Is there any way DPR can freeze my funds but still allow my account to vend for the sale? Then as soon as EVERYONE has received their order he can unfreeze them? ;D I can't think of any other way to get through to you guys.
--FF
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Still interested to see what comes of this. If FF gets his shit together and has good product his prices can't be beat. He also works in escrow, I do think that is a +1 to him. Has he actually ever scammed anyone? I haven't read one actual case, just crappy shipping methods is all. Everyone seems to have gotten a refund or reship. I don't have the patience or time to deal with that but I don't think it's fair to call someone a scammer if they haven't actually ripped anyone of money.
Dude, there are quite a few people who havent received their shit yet.
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How about this? Is there any way DPR can freeze my funds but still allow my account to vend for the sale? Then as soon as EVERYONE has received their order he can unfreeze them? ;D I can't think of any other way to get through to you guys.
--FF
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I mean... I feel like alot of the 1/5's are just waiting for FF reships, but if he selectively picks the ones that mess up the finalize process than he can achieve a higher success rate. I just want my sheets to arrive :( I finalized early on one order and the other is currently waiting in resolution, I wish that I could get an overnight reship before the saturday sale so I can tell you guys how it tastes. I really wanna see some of this silver crystal and hope that we do indeed see FF stick around, then Envious and the others will come around.
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Here's the listings for the last of my sheets guys :-/ Sucks it has to go like this but I just can't handle the stress and put in the time needed to be a full time vendor here. Props to the guys who do this every day. Once again, full escrow, shipped Monday morning via Priority with DCN.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/21864
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/21863
--FF
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You spammed my message box day after day after I told you you could either have a reship or a full refund.
Check your sent messages folder. You didn't send me a damn thing. Hence my griping about you not answering PMs.
After you messaged me 3 times in a row I simply gave you a 100% refund even though it will most likely arrive over the weekend.
Two. There were two, not three. Once asking for an ETA because 10 days had passed since shipping (the USPS says 4-5 business days is about the most it would take anywhere in the lower 48). It was late and I just wanted to check, but you did not answer. The second one was still polite, and still just asking you to tell me when it was shipped so I know the status. You did not answer.
And if you had answered any of them (you did not) to say the mail is taking a few extra days longer than normal, I would have given it a couple more days. But you refused any communication and your claimed shipping date is an obvious lie.
Nothing I printed here is false. And you know that, because that information is available to you with one mouse click. You may lie to the posters on the board and have friends put up shill accounts to inflate your numbers when the PR gets negative and do whatever else you think will help, but the fact is you got caught in a lie with crappy customer service and all of this could have been avoided by simply replying to one email and saying "I'll look into it. Sorry dude."
I'm human. I forgive. I had a minor problem with a seller who had to cancel an order for packing-related issues. He said sorry, I said cool, refunds were given, and would totally buy from him again because he was honest. I would have done the same for you, if you made even a halfass attempt.
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Hi All,
Just chiming in after a long jaunt without internet.
20 days ago I was informed I'd be sent a replacement WoW sheet to make up for my initial print sheet that never showed. This has not arrived either.
FF was this still with your dodgy reshipper? Or did you cut him out before the WoW was sent? I sent you a PM on SR, and will do so here too. Let me know what you want to do.
Cheers,
afh
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DO NOT ORDER UNTIL YOU FULLY READ
' i ordered 50mgs of 25i-nbome. I haven't got it yet but from doing some research I found that in order to prepare this stuff for use you need some equipment and ingredients. Apparantly u need something called HPBCD which is a chemical u can purchase online and use to make the 25i more water/alcohol soluble. Then you need some kind of alcohol like ethanol or vodka, or plain water. U need a cylnder measuring container or flask, a Magnetic stirrer, a stir bar, filter paper, a syringe or some sort of blotter, and a mg scale. So aside from the mg scale which i have, i'm looking at another $50 to spend in order to properly prepare the stuff, and that's a lowest estimate i came up with after looking into how much magnetic stirrers cost ( i saw one that's $28 bucks but the good ones cost hundreds of dollars.)
So i guess i should of done my homework before i ordered this stuff, which cost $33 by the way. I probably wouldn't have ordered this if i knew it was goin to be such a hassle to prepare. Also i have absolutely no experience doing this sort of liquid measuring so even if i get all the supplies i won't know if the finished product will be accurate.
But i read some really good experiences that people posted who successfully tested this RC. So it might be worth spending the extra cash to do this right, but i might just try to insufflate a really small amount and see what happens. I have a mg scale so i can measure out 5mgs and then split it into 5 piles and hopefully get and estimate of 1mg. But that's goin to be hard because its so small that it will be difficult to try to pick it up even.'
THIS SUBSTANCE IS SCARILY SIMILAR TO LSD, EVEN TO LSD CONNOISSEURS THIS CAN CAUSE ALMOST ALL SIMILARITIES EXCEPT LSD NEVER NUMB S THE TONGUE. GC / MS CONFIRMED GET THIS FUCKER OFF.
EATING 5-7 TABS WILL NOT INDUCE THE ASPECTS OF A HIGH DOSE LSD TRIP, THIS IS WHERE THE DIFFERENCES CAN BE TRULY DIFFERENTIABLE. IN LOWER DOSES IT IS ALMOST A COMPLETE CLONE OF LSD. LSD NEVER FUCKIN NUMBS THE TONGUE.
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Well I posted this in my other thread and it looks like it's needed here also.
God, just one problem after another. Everybody keeps screaming they're going to reagent test and I have been asking for it all along, along with a lab test. But nobody ever comes through with their claims. Now this? This is absolutely insane. I've been researching this RC and you can KILL somebody if they you lead them to believe it is LSD and they take a high dose. I personally have taken 60+ tabs of this exact crystal, and from what I read on erowid, if this was any sort of RC I would have surely been in the hospital and most likely suffered some sort of mental breakdown. SOMEBODY JUST USE YOUR FREAKIN REAGENT ALREADY. I WILL ORDER SOMEBODY SOME FOR THIS EXACT PURPOSE. I am absolutely sick and tired of solving one problem, only for somebody who has NEVER ordered from me or tested my product to come in here and starting throwing out completely false claims with absolutely no proof to back them up? Why are only 3 or 4 people complaining of numbing sensations? But others who have reported back with wonderful trip reports have not?
And I don't feel like retyping it all but after researching RC's on erowid this was my response to Holly
I looked up 25-bome on Erowid and it reports a 1hr - 1 1/2hr come up. Followed by a 12-14 hour trip? Sounds nothing like my baby lucy lol. And I read that you must allow it to dissolve completely in-between your cheek and gums, or leave it under your tongue for 30+ minutes to experience effect. I swallow my tabs almost instantly and never experience any loss of potency :D All these new crazy drugs scare me, sure they're great now but we have no idea what they can do 20+ years from now. Why is it so hard to stick to the naturals :(
From what I read, even with "complexing" as that guy called it, you still have to allow your tabs to fully dissolve inbetween your cheek and gums, or you must allow it to sit under your tongue for 30+ minutes without swallowing your saliva. I swallow every tab I take immediately and never notice any sort of loss in potency. This coupled with the >20 minute come up I always experience, unlike 45 minutes to a 1 1/2 hour come ups I am reading about with 25-bome, proves to me without a doubt this is 100% lsd. Me, my family (not a lame lsd family reference, actual family) and all of my friends have been dosing crystal from this supplier since 1995. As far as I am aware, RC's were not even around then and LSD was so abundant they were not needed. I would NEVER take the risk of actually killing or causing someone permanent psychological damage, as I've read these new drugs can cause very easily.
Who can I purchase a reagent for to settle this?
And would you mind posting picture of your test results AYK (Toker420)? ;D If you really have them this should be no problem at all.
--FF
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Well I posted this in my other thread and it looks like it's needed here also.
God, just one problem after another. Everybody keeps screaming they're going to reagent test and I have been asking for it all along, along with a lab test. But nobody ever comes through with their claims. Now this? This is absolutely insane. I've been researching this RC and you can KILL somebody if they you lead them to believe it is LSD and they take a high dose. I personally have taken 60+ tabs of this exact crystal, and from what I read on erowid, if this was any sort of RC I would have surely been in the hospital and most likely suffered some sort of mental breakdown. SOMEBODY JUST USE YOUR FREAKIN REAGENT ALREADY. I WILL ORDER SOMEBODY SOME FOR THIS EXACT PURPOSE. I am absolutely sick and tired of solving one problem, only for somebody who has NEVER ordered from me or tested my product to come in here and starting throwing out completely false claims with absolutely no proof to back them up? Why are only 3 or 4 people complaining of numbing sensations? But others who have reported back with wonderful trip reports have not?
And I don't feel like retyping it all but after researching RC's on erowid this was my response to Holly
I looked up 25-bome on Erowid and it reports a 1hr - 1 1/2hr come up. Followed by a 12-14 hour trip? Sounds nothing like my baby lucy lol. And I read that you must allow it to dissolve completely in-between your cheek and gums, or leave it under your tongue for 30+ minutes to experience effect. I swallow my tabs almost instantly and never experience any loss of potency :D All these new crazy drugs scare me, sure they're great now but we have no idea what they can do 20+ years from now. Why is it so hard to stick to the naturals :(
From what I read, even with "complexing" as that guy called it, you still have to allow your tabs to fully dissolve inbetween your cheek and gums, or you must allow it to sit under your tongue for 30+ minutes without swallowing your saliva. I swallow every tab I take immediately and never notice any sort of loss in potency. This coupled with the >20 minute come up I always experience, unlike 45 minutes to a 1 1/2 hour come ups I am reading about with 25-bome, proves to me without a doubt this is 100% lsd. Me, my family (not a lame lsd family reference, actual family) and all of my friends have been dosing crystal from this supplier since 1995. As far as I am aware, RC's were not even around then and LSD was so abundant they were not needed. I would NEVER take the risk of actually killing or causing someone permanent psychological damage, as I've read these new drugs can cause very easily.
Who can I purchase a reagent for to settle this?
--FF
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/nbome/nbome_effects.shtml
This is just to put out information, the total duration for 25i-nbome is 6-8 hours, the come up is 30-90 mins, onset being 0-15 mins. I noticed when I took the tabs that it was the fastest come up I've ever experience on L, but the trip was exactly like L. I don't even know what to say. The numbing/bitterness on WoW thing puzzles the shit out of me. I too swallowed the tabs immediately but you can combine nbome with a certain chemical cheaply online to make it water soluble so that if the user wants, he can just swallow the blotter and it will retain effects. Reading up more trip reports on shroomery and other related sites also attest to this claim. Moon unit also claims that reagent testing even with elhreich will test for deep purple because 25i nbome shares the same indole as LSD? I'm no fucking chemist but I know moon unit is. The dude that made the claim that this is 25i-nbome should post lab results, but this is still strikingly scary. Profound substance or not, I would not want to knowingly give this research chemical out without thorough intense testing by somebody else other than myself. Not many of us have laboratory access testing in the USA, the Dutch Government does, however, but I don't think anyone from NL bought from FF. I wish Mitanox himself would test it. This is all very puzzling.
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And now that I look, every single one of your posts are in one of my threads spamming this complete bs lol. Actually, one of your posts you are blatantly admitting you were going to try to trick your friends into believing your RC was actually lsd. This one right here.
Shipping / Quick Shipping Question
« on: February 11, 2012, 05:27 PM »
Hey I'm not planning to be a vendor or anything, just want to mail out some acid to a few friends using Priority Flat Rate Envelopes. When buying these flat rate envelopes do I need to provide an already designated return address? I actually have no experience shipping any packages, or letters. As far as I know I don't have to put any stamps on it..... if I want delivery confirmation do I have to buy one and slap a label on it or is this already trackable/confirmable with flat rate priority envelopes? As for the return address goes would it be wise to use a printed return business address from a local business?
The exact crime you are accusing me off. Good luck, don't come crying here when you're buddies leave you in a ditch for causing them permanent brain damage or death.
--FF
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Who can I purchase a reagent for to settle this?
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/20607
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Well I posted this in my other thread and it looks like it's needed here also.
God, just one problem after another. Everybody keeps screaming they're going to reagent test and I have been asking for it all along, along with a lab test. But nobody ever comes through with their claims. Now this? This is absolutely insane. I've been researching this RC and you can KILL somebody if they you lead them to believe it is LSD and they take a high dose. I personally have taken 60+ tabs of this exact crystal, and from what I read on erowid, if this was any sort of RC I would have surely been in the hospital and most likely suffered some sort of mental breakdown. SOMEBODY JUST USE YOUR FREAKIN REAGENT ALREADY. I WILL ORDER SOMEBODY SOME FOR THIS EXACT PURPOSE. I am absolutely sick and tired of solving one problem, only for somebody who has NEVER ordered from me or tested my product to come in here and starting throwing out completely false claims with absolutely no proof to back them up? Why are only 3 or 4 people complaining of numbing sensations? But others who have reported back with wonderful trip reports have not?
And I don't feel like retyping it all but after researching RC's on erowid this was my response to Holly
I looked up 25-bome on Erowid and it reports a 1hr - 1 1/2hr come up. Followed by a 12-14 hour trip? Sounds nothing like my baby lucy lol. And I read that you must allow it to dissolve completely in-between your cheek and gums, or leave it under your tongue for 30+ minutes to experience effect. I swallow my tabs almost instantly and never experience any loss of potency :D All these new crazy drugs scare me, sure they're great now but we have no idea what they can do 20+ years from now. Why is it so hard to stick to the naturals :(
From what I read, even with "complexing" as that guy called it, you still have to allow your tabs to fully dissolve inbetween your cheek and gums, or you must allow it to sit under your tongue for 30+ minutes without swallowing your saliva. I swallow every tab I take immediately and never notice any sort of loss in potency. This coupled with the >20 minute come up I always experience, unlike 45 minutes to a 1 1/2 hour come ups I am reading about with 25-bome, proves to me without a doubt this is 100% lsd. Me, my family (not a lame lsd family reference, actual family) and all of my friends have been dosing crystal from this supplier since 1995. As far as I am aware, RC's were not even around then and LSD was so abundant they were not needed. I would NEVER take the risk of actually killing or causing someone permanent psychological damage, as I've read these new drugs can cause very easily.
Who can I purchase a reagent for to settle this?
--FF
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/nbome/nbome_effects.shtml
This is just to put out information, the total duration for 25i-nbome is 6-8 hours, the come up is 30-90 mins, onset being 0-15 mins. I noticed when I took the tabs that it was the fastest come up I've ever experience on L, but the trip was exactly like L. I don't even know what to say. The numbing/bitterness on WoW thing puzzles the shit out of me. I too swallowed the tabs immediately but you can combine nbome with a certain chemical cheaply online to make it water soluble so that if the user wants, he can just swallow the blotter and it will retain effects. Reading up more trip reports on shroomery and other related sites also attest to this claim. Moon unit also claims that reagent testing even with elhreich will test for deep purple because 25i nbome shares the same indole as LSD? I'm no fucking chemist but I know moon unit is. The dude that made the claim that this is 25i-nbome should post lab results, but this is still strikingly scary. Profound substance or not, I would not want to knowingly give this research chemical out without thorough intense testing by somebody else other than myself. Not many of us have laboratory access testing in the USA, the Dutch Government does, however, but I don't think anyone from NL bought from FF. I wish Mitanox himself would test it. This is all very puzzling.
How many times have I specifically asked if somebody could arrange a lab testing for me? Mitanox or anyone else from the NL, if I cover all fees could you make this happen? I want to put an end to this once and for all.
--FF
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PM'd Mitanox. This is such a headfuck ??? This is actually a bigger headfuck than the LSD gummy stars scam.
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PM'd Mitanox. This is such a headfuck ??? This is actually a bigger headfuck than the LSD gummy stars scam.
I thought you said you also had some reagents on the way? Why haven't you tested them for yourself?
--FF
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PM'd Mitanox. This is such a headfuck ??? This is actually a bigger headfuck than the LSD gummy stars scam.
I thought you said you also had some reagents on the way? Why haven't you tested them for yourself?
--FF
They're not here yet. Moon unit also made a claim yesterday that reagent testing is useless because it also tests for deep purple for nbome. Moon unit get your ass on here! Either way my trip on these tabs were lovely & profound. Also I know many members have reagent tests already so why aren't they even posted to say the least?
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PM'd Mitanox. This is such a headfuck ??? This is actually a bigger headfuck than the LSD gummy stars scam.
I thought you said you also had some reagents on the way? Why haven't you tested them for yourself?
--FF
They're not here yet. Moon unit also made a claim yesterday that reagent testing is useless because it also tests for deep purple for nbome. Moon unit get your ass on here! Either way my trip on these tabs were lovely & profound. Also I know many members have reagent tests already so why aren't they even posted to say the least?
Exactly, everybody keeps saying they're going to test for me but when I request them nobody can provide anything. Not even the guy who said he recently tested them. If his claims were true, don't you think he would have posted photos for legitimate proof? Instead of having everyone just take his word for it? Those are pretty drastic claims to make and I would have definitely posted pictures along with my claim to back myself up.
Something else to take into thought, I just read 25i-nbome has a very quick tolerance build up. And that it is nearly impossible to achieve full effects two days in a row. I have personally tripped for 5 days straight at a festival on these tabs. Each morning just as strong and profound as the first.
Another point I never thought of, DudeRugs creates and sells 25-nbome blotters and he has bought a sheet weekly from me for the last 3 weeks. Why would he continue to purchase my lsd if it was truly an RC, especially one he has an abundance of. Don't you think he, over anyone else, would be the first to make this claim if it were true?
--FF
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PM'd Mitanox. This is such a headfuck ??? This is actually a bigger headfuck than the LSD gummy stars scam.
I thought you said you also had some reagents on the way? Why haven't you tested them for yourself?
--FF
They're not here yet. Moon unit also made a claim yesterday that reagent testing is useless because it also tests for deep purple for nbome. Moon unit get your ass on here! Either way my trip on these tabs were lovely & profound. Also I know many members have reagent tests already so why aren't they even posted to say the least?
Another point I never thought of, DudeRugs creates and sells 25-nbome blotters and he has bought a sheet weekly from me for the last 3 weeks. Why would he continue to purchase my lsd if it was truly an RC, especially one he has an abundance of. Don't you think he, over anyone else, would be the first to make this claim if it were true?
--FF
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Another point I never thought of, DudeRugs creates and sells 25-nbome blotters and he has bought a sheet weekly from me for the last 3 weeks. Why would he continue to purchase my lsd if it was truly an RC, especially one he has an abundance of. Don't you think he, over anyone else, would be the first to make this claim if it were true?
--FF
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This is true and wouldn't make any fucking sense. DudeRugs should also come onto here and attest to the experience.
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Another point I never thought of, DudeRugs creates and sells 25-nbome blotters and he has bought a sheet weekly from me for the last 3 weeks. Why would he continue to purchase my lsd if it was truly an RC, especially one he has an abundance of. Don't you think he, over anyone else, would be the first to make this claim if it were true?
--FF
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I haven't taken any orders in 2 weeks. Every order but 3 have arrived or been 100% refunded. Two have chosen a reshipment and one asked to wait until Monday before he decided. I posted numerous times SR can freeze my funds but still allow me to vend, then unfreeze them once every one has confirmed they have received their order. Why do you keep ignoring these facts? How is this getting out of control?
--FF
so you haven't taken any orders in the last 3 weeks, or duderugs has bought a sheet per week for the last 3 weeks?
this is why you get such a hard time from people like me. it CAN'T be both of these quotes from today!!
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Another point I never thought of, DudeRugs creates and sells 25-nbome blotters and he has bought a sheet weekly from me for the last 3 weeks. Why would he continue to purchase my lsd if it was truly an RC, especially one he has an abundance of. Don't you think he, over anyone else, would be the first to make this claim if it were true?
--FF
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I haven't taken any orders in 2 weeks. Every order but 3 have arrived or been 100% refunded. Two have chosen a reshipment and one asked to wait until Monday before he decided. I posted numerous times SR can freeze my funds but still allow me to vend, then unfreeze them once every one has confirmed they have received their order. Why do you keep ignoring these facts? How is this getting out of control?
--FF
so you haven't taken any orders in the last 3 weeks, or duderugs has bought a sheet per week for the last 3 weeks?
this is why you get such a hard time from people like me. it CAN'T be both of these quotes from today!!
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I have not taken orders for exactly 13 days. Since most of this drama began. Before I stopped taking them, DudeRugs ordered a sheet a week for 3 weeks. Clear?
--FF
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thats ridiculous saying lsd and 25x-nbome cant be differentiated with marquis and mecke tests. 25x have shown to go yellow under marquis, brown under mecke, and yellow (with slight green tint) for mandellin.
lsd maquis will go straight to a deep blackish green, like very deep color like hash oil kinda, , lsd mecke also goes to just about the same dark green black. ive never done a mandellin test on lsd so no clue what color it goes.
but LSD and 25x-nbome can most definitely be differentiated using the tests above
ah! another reputable post. this is what I like to see. ;D
what about the numbing sensation on the tongue, mrgrey?
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well lsd on wow should have absolutely no taste at all. some printed blotters you can taste the ink or the sealent that was used to attach and keep the lsd on the tab, ie the avatars have that slitghtly sweet taste and the hoffmans have a kinda wierd taste too. but ive never heard of wow tasting like anyting because it has no ink and should really have no flavor at all.
hypothtically can you fit nbome onto small cm x cm blotter? yes you could probably get around 700mics onto it if you had the right paper and concentration. how would it taste? bitter and kinda nasty.
Yeah that's the only thing that concerns me at this point, the taste and numbness and that it is on white paper.
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Tried mine out last night...they were very distinctly bitter and slightly numbed my tongue, strange for WoW. Trip seemed kinda short too, only ~8 hours. We need this shit lab tested already..
And the bandwagon begins, you guys see what you create? Now every order after this somebody is going to report bitterness/numbness and request a refund. People just take one thing they hear on the forums and run with it. I'm not convinced half the people in here have ever actually had legit lsd in their lives. This is not directed directly towards you uspgawd, just to everybody in general. It's getting out of hand and I'm sick of receiving 50+ messages and having to cancel orders for people every time some dude with like 7 posts on the forums says he's doesn't believe it's acid because it's nothing like the acid he remembers his uncle's best friend's niece's step-mom gave him 10 years ago that one summer when he was running around chasing unicorns and shit. Sorry /endrant
--FF
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I've changed my stance a slight bit, if everything from this fiasco actually turns out to be legit I hope you stay FF. We need as many good vendors as possible and especially for the drugs that are hard to acquire in general. I will personally link to your buyer profile in my buyer profile so that people who would rather buy sheets/larger amounts can go directly to you to get what they need. Ive had retarded amounts of requests for me to start selling vials. Once i do start selling vials i will still link to your buyer page because there are some people who would much rather have sheets.
Good Luck.
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I've changed my stance a slight bit, if everything from this fiasco actually turns out to be legit I hope you stay FF. We need as many good vendors as possible and especially for the drugs that are hard to acquire in general. I will personally link to your buyer profile in my buyer profile so that people who would rather buy sheets/larger amounts can go directly to you to get what they need. Ive had retarded amounts of requests for me to start selling vials. Once i do start selling vials i will still link to your buyer page because there are some people who would much rather have sheets.
Good Luck.
And I personally do not like dealing with anything below a quarter sheet. I will send anyone asking me for smaller amounts like that to you. :) We can all vend here in peace.
--FF
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Hey FF I sent you a PM on the website about the 20 strip, please reply when you can :) I can encrypt my address to you?
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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er, hey FF, I posted before but not sure if it went through? Can't see it with my crappy desert internet...
That replacement sheet hasn't shown yet - was it sent before or after you canned your reshipper? Let me know what you'd like to do (eg wait more, try sending another sheet or refund the half I haven't finalised yet...). But we'll give it a few more days just in case...
Cheers
afh
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er, hey FF, I posted before but not sure if it went through? Can't see it with my crappy desert internet...
That replacement sheet hasn't shown yet - was it sent before or after you canned your reshipper? Let me know what you'd like to do (eg wait more, try sending another sheet or refund the half I haven't finalised yet...). But we'll give it a few more days just in case...
Cheers
afh
Completely up to you man. If you'd like I will get you a sheet out via priority with dcn along with the other orders Monday morning ;D
--FF
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Tried mine out last night...they were very distinctly bitter and slightly numbed my tongue, strange for WoW. Trip seemed kinda short too, only ~8 hours. We need this shit lab tested already..
And the bandwagon begins, you guys see what you create? Now every order after this somebody is going to report bitterness/numbness and request a refund. People just take one thing they hear on the forums and run with it. I'm not convinced half the people in here have ever actually had legit lsd in their lives. This is not directed directly towards you uspgawd, just to everybody in general. It's getting out of hand and I'm sick of receiving 50+ messages and having to cancel orders for people every time some dude with like 7 posts on the forums says he's doesn't believe it's acid because it's nothing like the acid he remembers his uncle's best friend's niece's step-mom gave him 10 years ago that one summer when he was running around chasing unicorns and shit. Sorry /endrant
--FF
I keep promising myself I'm gonna stay out of this but I feel like I have to say this to be fair to FF.
-According to all I've read (e.g. the main thread on bluelight) 25iNBOMe is not orally active. You can't just eat some blotters and it works. You have to keep them under the toungue or against the cheek for a long time.
Well, although it was very weak, when I sampled some of FF's print, it definitely worked - and all I did was eat it.
-8 hours is not that short for an LSD trip- after around the 8 hour mark it can be very subjective whether someone feels like the 'trip' is still happening. Also, I have heard people specifically remark that trips on fluff can seem a little shorter than others (I remember twolips saying that his 'family fluff' only lasted for about 8 hours). In my experience, the long drag-out at the end of a trip is actually a mark of dirtier acid. Psiolcybin trips are shorter because psilocybin has lower toxicity than LSD.
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imo clean acid feels weaker than dirty acid, but at higher doses it is clear win. No comment on FF or his acid though as I do not have experience with either. I have experience with blotter laid with crystal of differing purity though.
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Psiolcybin trips are shorter because psilocybin has lower toxicity than LSD.
plz dont say stupid shit like that if you dont know the answer. lsd is one of the most untoxic chemicals around. you could literally eat 10,000 hits and though you will trip balls for like a week, its still not toxic.
asshole
"Psilocybin has an LD 50 of 280mg/kg. In comparison, the LD 50’s of LSD, THC (the active compound in marijuana), and mescaline are 30mg/kg, 42mg/kg, and 370 mg/kg. Thus, when death is considered as the toxic endpoint, psilocybin is one of the least toxic of the hallucinogens."
source: hxxp://www.shroomery.org/6297/Psilocybe-Toxicity-Information
Nobody was saying LSD is toxic. But in medical terms, its toxicity is higer than psilocybin.
Plz don't accuse people of saying 'stupid shit' when you're the one who doesn't understand what they're talking about.
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imo clean acid feels weaker than dirty acid, but at higher doses it is clear win
me 2
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FF you ignored my comment :/ Please reply to my PM on the main site
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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actually nbome can be rendered orally active if it's put in a complex which is what was originally being suggested so I should just shut up:
hxxp://trippy-town.blogspot.com/2011_12_01_archive.html
hxxp://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15746434
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Psiolcybin trips are shorter because psilocybin has lower toxicity than LSD.
plz dont say stupid shit like that if you dont know the answer. lsd is one of the most untoxic chemicals around. you could literally eat 10,000 hits and though you will trip balls for like a week, its still not toxic.
asshole
"Psilocybin has an LD 50 of 280mg/kg. In comparison, the LD 50’s of LSD, THC (the active compound in marijuana), and mescaline are 30mg/kg, 42mg/kg, and 370 mg/kg. Thus, when death is considered as the toxic endpoint, psilocybin is one of the least toxic of the hallucinogens."
source: hxxp://www.shroomery.org/6297/Psilocybe-Toxicity-Information
Nobody was saying LSD is toxic. But in medical terms, its toxicity is higer than psilocybin.
Plz don't accuse people of saying 'stupid shit' when you're the one who doesn't understand what they're talking about.
Well, actually, if you look at the active dosage, percentage wise mushrooms are more toxic. The number of doses of acid required to meet the LD as compared to mushrooms is much higher, as it's more active in lower doses. More people go to the hospital every year for mushroom complications than LSD complications. This may be in part to the issue of stomach pain and nausea associated with some mushroom strains freaking out the ingester. If it were down to side effects period, I would also say because of the pain and nausea that mushrooms cause, they would be an obvious choice as the more toxic.
The LD you list for LSD is close to the mouse LD I believe. This is from wikipedia...
"Estimates for the median lethal dose (LD50) of LSD range from 200 µg/kg to more than 1 mg/kg of human body mass, though most sources report that there are no known human cases of such an overdose. Other sources note one report of a suspected fatal overdose of LSD occurring in November 1975 in Kentucky in which there were indications that ~1/3 of a gram (320 mg or 320,000 µg) had been injected intravenously."
Not that wikipedia is THE source for any information, it does pull together various sources to provide a decent idea here.
Albert Hoffman himself says,
" The minute doses that cause death in animal experiments may give the impression that LSD is a very toxic substance. However, if one compares the lethal dose in animals with the effective dose in human beings, which is 0.0003-0.001 mg/kg (0.0003 to 0.001 thousandths of a gram per kilogram of body weight), this shows an extraordinarily low toxicity for LSD. Only a 300- to 600-fold overdose of LSD, compared to the lethal dose in rabbits, or fully a 50,000- to 100,000fold overdose, in comparison to the toxicity in the mouse, would have fatal results in human beings. These comparisons of relative toxicity are, to be sure, only understandable as estimates of orders of magnitude, for the determination of the therapeutic index (that is, the ratio between the effective and the lethal dose) is only meaningful within a given species."
Also, from Erowid...
"Abram Hoffer has estimated, on the basis of animal studies, that the half-lethal human dose--meaning half would die (a standard measure for drugs)--would be about 14,000 [ug]. But one person who took 40 mg. (40,000 [ug]) survived. In the only case of death reportedly caused by overdose ([Griggs and Ward, 1977]), the quantity of LSD in the blood indicated that 320 mg. (320,000 [ug]) had been injected intravenously.2"
SO...
The likelihood of you coming into contact with enough LSD to meet the LD is pretty slim compared to that of mushrooms, considering mushrooms grow almost everywhere, and most LSD you can get is in blotter or dropper from a few dealers here and there. I'm sure you could drink an entire vial from one of our vendors here, have the craziest trip of your life, and still live to tell the tale.
This all being said, I think that mushrooms, mescaline, and LSD are all safe products to use and this whole idea of toxicity in classic hallucinogens is pointless.
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Psiolcybin trips are shorter because psilocybin has lower toxicity than LSD.
plz dont say stupid shit like that if you dont know the answer. lsd is one of the most untoxic chemicals around. you could literally eat 10,000 hits and though you will trip balls for like a week, its still not toxic.
asshole
"Psilocybin has an LD 50 of 280mg/kg. In comparison, the LD 50’s of LSD, THC (the active compound in marijuana), and mescaline are 30mg/kg, 42mg/kg, and 370 mg/kg. Thus, when death is considered as the toxic endpoint, psilocybin is one of the least toxic of the hallucinogens."
source: hxxp://www.shroomery.org/6297/Psilocybe-Toxicity-Information
Nobody was saying LSD is toxic. But in medical terms, its toxicity is higer than psilocybin.
Plz don't accuse people of saying 'stupid shit' when you're the one who doesn't understand what they're talking about.
Well, actually, if you look at the active dosage, percentage wise mushrooms are more toxic. The number of doses of acid required to meet the LD as compared to mushrooms is much higher, as it's more active in lower doses. More people go to the hospital every year for mushroom complications than LSD complications. This may be in part to the issue of stomach pain and nausea associated with some mushroom strains freaking out the ingester. If it were down to side effects period, I would also say because of the pain and nausea that mushrooms cause, they would be an obvious choice as the more toxic.
The LD you list for LSD is close to the mouse LD I believe. This is from wikipedia...
"Estimates for the median lethal dose (LD50) of LSD range from 200 µg/kg to more than 1 mg/kg of human body mass, though most sources report that there are no known human cases of such an overdose. Other sources note one report of a suspected fatal overdose of LSD occurring in November 1975 in Kentucky in which there were indications that ~1/3 of a gram (320 mg or 320,000 µg) had been injected intravenously."
Not that wikipedia is THE source for any information, it does pull together various sources to provide a decent idea here.
Albert Hoffman himself says,
" The minute doses that cause death in animal experiments may give the impression that LSD is a very toxic substance. However, if one compares the lethal dose in animals with the effective dose in human beings, which is 0.0003-0.001 mg/kg (0.0003 to 0.001 thousandths of a gram per kilogram of body weight), this shows an extraordinarily low toxicity for LSD. Only a 300- to 600-fold overdose of LSD, compared to the lethal dose in rabbits, or fully a 50,000- to 100,000fold overdose, in comparison to the toxicity in the mouse, would have fatal results in human beings. These comparisons of relative toxicity are, to be sure, only understandable as estimates of orders of magnitude, for the determination of the therapeutic index (that is, the ratio between the effective and the lethal dose) is only meaningful within a given species."
Also, from Erowid...
"Abram Hoffer has estimated, on the basis of animal studies, that the half-lethal human dose--meaning half would die (a standard measure for drugs)--would be about 14,000 [ug]. But one person who took 40 mg. (40,000 [ug]) survived. In the only case of death reportedly caused by overdose ([Griggs and Ward, 1977]), the quantity of LSD in the blood indicated that 320 mg. (320,000 [ug]) had been injected intravenously.2"
SO...
The likelihood of you coming into contact with enough LSD to meet the LD is pretty slim compared to that of mushrooms, considering mushrooms grow almost everywhere, and most LSD you can get is in blotter or dropper from a few dealers here and there. I'm sure you could drink an entire vial from one of our vendors here, have the craziest trip of your life, and still live to tell the tale.
This all being said, I think that mushrooms, mescaline, and LSD are all safe products to use and this whole idea of toxicity in classic hallucinogens is pointless.
sigh.
Fisrlty - You have also completely missed the point. Nobody was talking about the question of whether these drugs will kill you. Toxicity is a bio-medical term which can be applied to any substance and it is in part an index of how quickly the substance breaks down in and leaves the body. Psilocybin breaks down in and leaves the body faster than LSD, which is often speculated as being the reason why the trip is shorter. That was all I was saying and your comments have no bearing whatsoever upon that issue.
Secondly - your commenst about mushrooms are purely speculative. And I didn't say anything about mushrooms anyway. I'm talking about the active component - psilocybin. They're not the same thing.
Thirdly - you following these speculations by citing a set of sources which only refer to LSD without making any direct comparison with psiolsybin. What is the relevance of that? Your sources just show that LSD is highly non-toxic. They don't show anyting about its toxicity relative to psilocybin.
My source, on the other hand, makes a direct comparison between the two using a common measure. It doesn't make any difference if that common measure is mouse or human. The point is that it shows psilocybin to be less toxic than LSD. That's all I was saying and it's a scientific fact so why are you arguing with it?
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Allright, so I decided to join the thread after I got PMed by Holly. I saw that it was coined that I would bring a tab to the testcenter in my country but I will have to dissapoint everyone, its not going to happen, I cant give up my anonymity by getting drugs shipped to me, sorry! The way to get a good verdict I think is the following:
The people who received their stuff and are trusted will send some tabs to nomadbloodbath, RapidImprovement and DigitalAlch (if they agree). FF will reimburse these people for their postage costs + a small donation if these members want that. The reason I want not FF to send them any tabs is because then we will get a discussion of how FF would send real acid this time but phenethylamines to all others. Nomadbloodbath, RapidImprovement and DigitalAlch will then make up their mind ban the fuck out of FF or reinstate his legitimacy.
Another way is to take one tab, make a small tripreport and leave another tab in warm place with light for a while, inside the lightbulbcover for example for 2weeks and then trip on thatone and give another tripreport. Phenethylamines are very stable molecules to my knowledge and shouldnt degrade while acid would. If the trip is still the same strenght then you know enough, is it noticeably less then FF is selling legit LSD. This method isnt foolproof though but comes close.
What I think of the whole situation? I think FF has been giving sketchy signals since the beginning;
-Lieing about early finalizing (you said you didnt require it yet you still asked for it untill I confronted you with it)
-Selling his product way to cheap (If you really had "family access" you wouldnt run out all the time, and if you dont youre not making any money. I know what I buy my acid for and I doubt you would be able to get it cheaper. Basicly youre either well connected and making $$ or not well connected and making no $$ or selling RC's and making boatloads of $$)
-Bumping/reviving ancient threads just "casually saying" something could be a RC and saying someone is a scammer.
-Using various aliases on the forum instead of just 1 (Yes, I caught you with that, that was funny :P)
-Not delivering product on time (If you say you ship "this week" and have domestic orders take 3 weeks youre lieing, simple as that)
-Accusing me and others of defamation (I have nothing against anyone and consider other LSD sellers collegues rather then competitors, yet you still think I have a grudge against you while im just stating facts.)
Personally I would never order from you, even if I was living in the US and had nothing else then SR available to me. If you will get your shipping process fixed asap and get confirmed that what you are selling is indeed LSD I would recommend you though :) Make that your goal!
To end this longish post I will say that I think by judging the trip and duration its to close to call for most people to say if its 2C-I or LSD and that a bitter taste on the blotter doesnt mean anything. Also, never finalize early :) It keeps the scammers away and the honest vendors honest!
Warm greetings,
Mitanox
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I'm not the one that brought up LD, which is directly related to death. So I apologize if I jumped to a conclusion about you discussing a "question of whether these drugs will kill you" or not, when you're discussing toxicity (Toxicity is the degree to which a substance can damage a living or non-living organisms) and referring to lethal doses. I guess I really jumped the gun on that one. Humble apologies.
I'm saying, percentage-wise the LD for Psilocybin, using your numbers, vs the LD for LSD, when considering active dosage, shows LSD as being less toxic per dose. Sure it is probably more potent and "toxic" gram for gram, I don't argue that.
I'm also saying:
1) The article you cited uses LD to establish toxicity comparisons, when human LD is really conjecture. Not to mention the numbers it cites are likely wrong. Comparing Rats to Rats using the LD charts from erowid: Mescaline= 370 mg/kg, LSD=46 mg/Kg, THC=1270 mg/Kg (males 730 mg/Kg in females) and finally at Psilocybin=285 mg/Kg. So, by your conjecture, citing a source that uses multiple research sources, Mescaline and THC are "less toxic." Now, the effects of Mescaline are longer lasting than Psilocin. I think toxicity doesn't have as much to do with effects as you think. If you read some Shulgin you will learn a lot about how little you have to change a substance to make it behave very differently, and how sometimes just moving or adding a single carbon atom can have a huge effect on the length of the active "trip." You don't even take similar amounts of these substances to produce the effects you want to argue about.
2) Anyone using plain conjecture, with no science background, would believe after taking each substance for the first time, that mushrooms (Psilocybin) and mescaline are more toxic due to the actual side effects of nausea and stomach pain associated with ingestion. Of course that isn't science-based, just blind reason. I don't believe this, I think all of these substances are beneficial and generally as non-toxic as most other items we ingest daily.
Let's compare the heavy doses for a 190lb/86.18kg man:
1lb=.454kg
Mushrooms - 5g (LD 285 mg/Kg or 24.56grams for an 86.1kg man)
5g = 20.36% of the LD
Mescaline - 700mg (LD 370 mg/kg or 31.89grams)
.7g = 2.2% of the LD
LSD - 400ug (LD 46 mg/Kg or 3.96grams)
.0004g = 0.01% of the LD
I'm not attacking the beloved mushroom... mushrooms, mescaline and LSD are different substances that tend to have similar effects on the brain... but they do it through different mechanisms. That study you quote says nothing about toxicity correlating with duration of trip. Using the numbers above, the amount of psilocybin required to allow similar trips to the other substances is closer to the LD than the others, and therefore, could be construed as being MORE toxic for you.
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+1 Mitanox.
I would be more than willing to post a hit or three to a mod when my package arrives to see this gets the proper treatment.
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I have to agree. My connection is directly related to GDF and he gets it for close to what you are offering it for.
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Psiolcybin trips are shorter because psilocybin has lower toxicity than LSD.
plz dont say stupid shit like that if you dont know the answer. lsd is one of the most untoxic chemicals around. you could literally eat 10,000 hits and though you will trip balls for like a week, its still not toxic.
asshole
"Psilocybin has an LD 50 of 280mg/kg. In comparison, the LD 50’s of LSD, THC (the active compound in marijuana), and mescaline are 30mg/kg, 42mg/kg, and 370 mg/kg. Thus, when death is considered as the toxic endpoint, psilocybin is one of the least toxic of the hallucinogens."
source: hxxp://www.shroomery.org/6297/Psilocybe-Toxicity-Information
Nobody was saying LSD is toxic. But in medical terms, its toxicity is higer than psilocybin.
Plz don't accuse people of saying 'stupid shit' when you're the one who doesn't understand what they're talking about.
oh shut the fuck up already, you go around answering questions like you are mr know it all, but you are still a fucking dolt. even with your logic it doesnt change the fact that the length of the trip has nothing to do with the toxcicity. according to your logic mescaline would have an even shorter duration since its less toxic, but we all know that isnt true. length of trip of course has to do with how your body processes and converts various things and how its excreted, not to mention drug half lifes which have to do with chemical structure. so please professor enlighten us with your almighty knowledge. ya fucking bitch
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I took two of the WOW from the customer appreciation sale, and let me tell you they were fucking BOMB! I took the first one without the extra drops and had the bitter numbing taste, then took another one with the drop on it after 30 minutes. About 45 minutes after the first tab I started feeling jittery and excited, as i usually do with LSD. In the next 15 minutes I started having some of the best visuals i have ever had! I looked at myself in a mirror and the walls would move with slight movement of my arms. As i was checking that out, i suddenly grew two heads! then that shaped into a lion. I listened to some Black Moth Super Rainbow (great tripping music BTW), and started at the concrete as it formed into various patterns with colors appearing out of no where. I started was definitely in full peak when the sun started setting and I sat down and starred at some flowers growing in the backyard, and saw that the innerpart of the flowers were growing into other flowers while constantly being in motion, this was the most visual and beautiful trip I've been on since some local WOW i used to get when i first found the joy of Lovely Lucy! I ~200mg of some of Dopeboy's MDA from a while ago at 6 hours in, and became so full of life that I had to stop being alone and go to a show and enjoy live music. Long story short I have not felt so good in a long time! I'm glad that I took another shot with FF after the first prints turned out to be weak. Also I had extreme bitterness and tongue numbing with the Hoffmans that Mitanox had up a couple weeks ago so i don't think it's anything to worry about. I do agree though that FF could improve some of his shipping methods, but as I've said before I have been happy for the most part with FF's services and if I have a vote, I say he should be allowed to stay if he wants!
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Psiolcybin trips are shorter because psilocybin has lower toxicity than LSD.
plz dont say stupid shit like that if you dont know the answer. lsd is one of the most untoxic chemicals around. you could literally eat 10,000 hits and though you will trip balls for like a week, its still not toxic.
asshole
"Psilocybin has an LD 50 of 280mg/kg. In comparison, the LD 50’s of LSD, THC (the active compound in marijuana), and mescaline are 30mg/kg, 42mg/kg, and 370 mg/kg. Thus, when death is considered as the toxic endpoint, psilocybin is one of the least toxic of the hallucinogens."
source: hxxp://www.shroomery.org/6297/Psilocybe-Toxicity-Information
Nobody was saying LSD is toxic. But in medical terms, its toxicity is higer than psilocybin.
Plz don't accuse people of saying 'stupid shit' when you're the one who doesn't understand what they're talking about.
oh shut the fuck up already, you go around answering questions like you are mr know it all, but you are still a fucking dolt. even with your logic it doesnt change the fact that the length of the trip has nothing to do with the toxcicity.
Thanks for your warm and mature response man - really appreciate your lucidity and your friendly insight!
Okay right so let's be clear - you're saying trip-length has NOTHING to do with the toxicity. And you know this. For a fact.
according to your logic mescaline would have an even shorter duration since its less toxic, but we all know that isnt true.
No - according to my logic, toxicity would be one factor in predicting the length of trip, along with a bunch of other factors, the most important of which would be the basic neurochemical actions of the different substance. The neurochemical actions of LSD and psilocybin are much more similar to each other than to mescaline. So they are more comparable. Of course the basic neuro-chemical action is a more important predictor of trip length than is toxicity. And given its different neuro-chemical action we'd expect a drug like mescaline to last longer, irrespective of its relative toxicity.Sure. That doesn't prove that toxicity has NOTHING to do with it, which is what you have just asserted.
length of trip of course has to do with how your body processes and converts various things and how its excreted, not to mention drug half lifes which have to do with chemical structure.
uhhh...yeah....that was kind of my initial point...."how your body processes and converts various things and how its excreted, not to mention drug half lifes ". These are all factors directly related to the 'toxicity' of a chemical. That's actually what the term means, in this context, in fact. Sooo....you do realize that you have just totally contradicted yourself, right?
And for the record -nobody said that toxicity was the predictor of trip-length - just that they were related.
I don't claim any great knowledge about this - all I know is that it has been speculated that there is a relationship between the varying trip-lengths of those two substances and their varying toxicities. Precisely because, as you say, trip lenght is related to "how your body processes and converts various things and how its excreted, not to mention drug half lifes". So what exactly did I say that was so wrong?
I agree - it may be bullshit speculation. I'm not enough of an expert to know. But why does it offend you so much for me even to refer to it? Especially given that you seem ulimately to concede that it ma be true?
I'm still not sure why you hated me saying this so much that you had to accuse me of saying 'stupid shit'?
And why you are carrying on with these childish insults?
What exactly did I do to offend you?
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I took two of the WOW from the customer appreciation sale, and let me tell you they were fucking BOMB! I took the first one without the extra drops and had the bitter numbing taste, then took another one with the drop on it after 30 minutes. About 45 minutes after the first tab I started feeling jittery and excited, as i usually do with LSD. In the next 15 minutes I started having some of the best visuals i have ever had! I looked at myself in a mirror and the walls would move with slight movement of my arms. As i was checking that out, i suddenly grew two heads! then that shaped into a lion. I listened to some Black Moth Super Rainbow (great tripping music BTW), and started at the concrete as it formed into various patterns with colors appearing out of no where. I started was definitely in full peak when the sun started setting and I sat down and starred at some flowers growing in the backyard, and saw that the innerpart of the flowers were growing into other flowers while constantly being in motion, this was the most visual and beautiful trip I've been on since some local WOW i used to get when i first found the joy of Lovely Lucy! I ~200mg of some of Dopeboy's MDA from a while ago at 6 hours in, and became so full of life that I had to stop being alone and go to a show and enjoy live music. Long story short I have not felt so good in a long time! I'm glad that I took another shot with FF after the first prints turned out to be weak. Also I had extreme bitterness and tongue numbing with the Hoffmans that Mitanox had up a couple weeks ago so i don't think it's anything to worry about. I do agree though that FF could improve some of his shipping methods, but as I've said before I have been happy for the most part with FF's services and if I have a vote, I say he should be allowed to stay if he wants!
Ok, I have to say here, this post is complete fucking horse shit, and has basically confirmed my suspicion that FF is either an address harvester or a complete con-man. No acid Mit has EVER purveyed on this website was tongue numbing. NBOMe is tongue numbing- two blotters of DudeRugs' shit can numb your mouth all over (his blotters are really, really powerful at the three mark, btw). FF, just fuck off man. Do you think you're dealing with a bunch of simps here dude? You post on the previous page how worried you are about the RC claims levelled at you, and then poof! Some cunt shows up claiming Mitanox, who is dyed in the wool LEGIT, has peddled "tongue numbing" acid through his store front. If there's cat hair in the house, there's probably a cat. I'm glad I never handed over any personal information or bitcoins over to you- you have been continually shady, unethical, and practiced your sales with such ineptitude that it is alarming you are in the business of dealing drugs. You had a "middle man" that was stealing people's orders? Replacing them with something? That's really convenient.
WoW does not have a taste- period. If it does, the acid is garbage, or there are research chemicals involved. If you push order, you deserve what you get. What does this guy have to lose? He's publicly announcing he is leaving. So he gets a couple water heads to finalize early and checks out. He has consistently lied and supplied shit, suspect product. Fuck off- we don't need you here.
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Also, if your head split in twain and turned into lion heads from two hits of acid... you need to check yourself into an insane asylum immediately, because you clearly have the worst case of schizophrenia on the books.
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Psiolcybin trips are shorter because psilocybin has lower toxicity than LSD.
And for the record -nobody said that toxicity was the predictor of trip-length - just that they were related.
well which is it professor?? im confused, maybe you can keep trolling us with your impressive knowledge you gained from reading erowid ;)
God is this what's really bothering you?
It's the second one. Guess what - in ordinary everyday speech and writing, people sometimes throw out explanations without all the necessary qualifications. The first was just a quick way of saying the same thing as the second, but without getting into all the complexities.
You are here calling me 'professor' in a sarcastic way - but you are the one who is getting all hot and bothered just because I didn't give all the necessary explanation and qualification. You're the one who's acting like you're grading a fucking term paper...
If it came from erowid then I could give you the source. It doesn't even come from there. It just comes from some shit that someone who studied psychopharmacology told me like 10 years ago. Does that mean I shouldn't refer to it?
And what is the definition of trolling exactly? That remark of mine was just a minor and insignificant part of a post which was directly related to the topic. You jumped on it, picked it out, accused me of 'saying stupid shit' over it, and then insulted me when I backed it up. Who is trolling exactly?
FWIW - what seems to have confused and annoyed both you and cannabian is originally my use of this term 'toxicity' to mean not 'lethalness' but 'how quickly your body processes it'. Well I gotta be honest and say come to think of it, I don't really know where the hell I got that from and that may just be a stupid use of the term that I picked up from somewhere and shouldn't have. Sounds kind of half-assed come to think of it...in which case I apologize
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I took two of the WOW from the customer appreciation sale, and let me tell you they were fucking BOMB! I took the first one without the extra drops and had the bitter numbing taste, then took another one with the drop on it after 30 minutes. About 45 minutes after the first tab I started feeling jittery and excited, as i usually do with LSD. In the next 15 minutes I started having some of the best visuals i have ever had! I looked at myself in a mirror and the walls would move with slight movement of my arms. As i was checking that out, i suddenly grew two heads! then that shaped into a lion. I listened to some Black Moth Super Rainbow (great tripping music BTW), and started at the concrete as it formed into various patterns with colors appearing out of no where. I started was definitely in full peak when the sun started setting and I sat down and starred at some flowers growing in the backyard, and saw that the innerpart of the flowers were growing into other flowers while constantly being in motion, this was the most visual and beautiful trip I've been on since some local WOW i used to get when i first found the joy of Lovely Lucy! I ~200mg of some of Dopeboy's MDA from a while ago at 6 hours in, and became so full of life that I had to stop being alone and go to a show and enjoy live music. Long story short I have not felt so good in a long time! I'm glad that I took another shot with FF after the first prints turned out to be weak. Also I had extreme bitterness and tongue numbing with the Hoffmans that Mitanox had up a couple weeks ago so i don't think it's anything to worry about. I do agree though that FF could improve some of his shipping methods, but as I've said before I have been happy for the most part with FF's services and if I have a vote, I say he should be allowed to stay if he wants!
Ok, I have to say here, this post is complete fucking horse shit, and has basically confirmed my suspicion that FF is either an address harvester or a complete con-man. No acid Mit has EVER purveyed on this website was tongue numbing. NBOMe is tongue numbing- two blotters of DudeRugs' shit can numb your mouth all over (his blotters are really, really powerful at the three mark, btw). FF, just fuck off man. Do you think you're dealing with a bunch of simps here dude? You post on the previous page how worried you are about the RC claims levelled at you, and then poof! Some cunt shows up claiming Mitanox, who is dyed in the wool LEGIT, has peddled "tongue numbing" acid through his store front. If there's cat hair in the house, there's probably a cat. I'm glad I never handed over any personal information or bitcoins over to you- you have been continually shady, unethical, and practiced your sales with such ineptitude that it is alarming you are in the business of dealing drugs. You had a "middle man" that was stealing people's orders? Replacing them with something? That's really convenient.
WoW does not have a taste- period. If it does, the acid is garbage, or there are research chemicals involved. If you push order, you deserve what you get. What does this guy have to lose? He's publicly announcing he is leaving. So he gets a couple water heads to finalize early and checks out. He has consistently lied and supplied shit, suspect product. Fuck off- we don't need you here.
Lol, you really think that guy is me? Have you checked his other posts? I've never spoken to you before, so I'm not sure what your problem is with me.
You seem to have missed a few points. This sale is COMPLETELY in escrow. Not a single person is being asked to finalize early. Everybody will have a DCN. I've told SR to go ahead and freeze my funds for this sale and only release them once every person has confirmed receipt of their order. I've also offered to buy anybody on reagent to test and post their results here. I've also offered to cover any fees it would take to have a some tabs lab tested. You come in here ranting with absolutely no facts to back up any of your complaints. You don't know me and we don't need YOU here. Nobody's forcing you to read this thread or to order. This is for people who have ordered from me before and would like to again. If I was scamming or offering bunk product it blows my mind why they would return. Maybe you can answer that for me? ???
--FF
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Send me a sample and I'll buy a fucking reagent test.
Mostly because I'm just as curious as everyone else.
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Fucking ridiculous. Trinitron encrypt me an address and find out of how much it's going to cost me to purchase you a reagent please. I'll buy you one immediately and send you a 10 strip tomorrow. Mitanox is there any way you can arrange lab testing for me also. Or anyone for that matter, this is fucking unbelievable.
--FF
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Of all my years of eating L this has NEVER happened. I'm willing to bet my life on it. In fact let me send the same batch FF gave me, in the likely case he sends non-tongue numbing batches (same he gave DudeRugs ) to get tested. Unfuckingbelievable is right. I didn't want to believe it at first, but after my gf right next to me not experiencing jack shit either? We're acid heads this is our drug of choice. You fucked with the wrong people now, mate.
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Why can't anybody just test already?!?!?! Holly you told me 3 days ago you had reagents on the way from Davidd. Why not use them and post results? Why can't anybody just fucking test them!?!?!?!?!
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When I tried mine I had zero tongue numbing (in fact, it tasted like nothing. or paper, maybe. which WoW should)
I also had none of the body load typically associated with the NBOME Rc's.
Not sure why you are bothering at this point if you've already decided to quit SR, but I would be happy to reagent test one of the tabs FF if you sent me a kit. I can upload pics or whatever is necessary. Let me know, my SR username is same as here.
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When I tried mine I had zero tongue numbing (in fact, it tasted like nothing. or paper, maybe. which WoW should)
I also had none of the body load typically associated with the NBOME Rc's.
Not sure why you are bothering at this point if you've already decided to quit SR, but I would be happy to reagent test one of the tabs FF if you sent me a kit. I can upload pics or whatever is necessary. Let me know, my SR username is same as here.
I'm gunna ask Davidd if I can send him the btc for a reagent and you can message him your address. Please, please, please do not flake on this. :-\
--FF
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Why can't anybody just test already?!?!?! Holly you told me 3 days ago you had reagents on the way from Davidd. Why not use them and post results? Why can't anybody just fucking test them!?!?!?!?!
Cause the mail fucking sucks and I still haven't gotten them.
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Why can't anybody just test already?!?!?! Holly you told me 3 days ago you had reagents on the way from Davidd. Why not use them and post results? Why can't anybody just fucking test them!?!?!?!?!
Cause the mail fucking sucks and I still haven't gotten them.
Well I'm buying element12 some immediately.
--FF
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I still have not had one thing arrive in blotter form to the address I gave you Family.. Are you sending the swat team?
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I still have not had one thing arrive in blotter form to the address I gave you Family.. Are you sending the swat team?
Back to square 1. Different people receiving different shit/not receiving at all/receiving legit shit. TOO. MUCH. SCATTER.
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You all got scammed.
You shouldnt even have to test the LSD, this is ridiculous!
Start a New thread this one is locked.
Also DO not order from ForeverFamily.
PS. Don't PM me ForverFamily
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