Silk Road forums
Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: HonkyGeorge on July 22, 2011, 07:50 pm
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Obviously they're aware of the Silk Road and are keeping tabs on it, but what about here?
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No idea what you're talking about.
~B
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Yeah ofcourse, youd have all sorts of authority figures worldwide monitoring activity to some degree and there methods, who knows? Safest to assume they are around but not to worry unless your displaying regular patterns of suspicious behaivour, I wouldnt worry untill they are questioning you face to face. Im a hell paranoid anxious character usually but after some solid insight and logical reasoning from other cluey members on this board, I totally filter out most thing relative to your question now.
Jesus iv'e been on here all day and night, I really should piss of haha. Such a comforting place to loiter though :)
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No idea what you're talking about.
~B
Haha that would have been so much easier! I took the bait again!
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Who knows. We have all kinds of different attitudes and beliefs on here, ranging from total paranoi-- they are spending tons of money just to watch *me!*--to not giving a shit.
I tend to think that probably they aren't as there isn't that much information to be gained here. Shutting down SR legally would be impossibly hard, and catching the sellers also pretty hard, so they've probably tipped off some of the western country's mail services to be on the lookout for strange packaging going to unusual addresses, but even that is hard for me to believe they would have any luck with...
We aren't *that* big a deal, and there isn't a whole lot they can do, because of the international nature of the internet, and the TOR network speciffically.
Anybody who's been on the wonderful site opiophile.org, knows this is a common question on there, also, and many have believed for *years* now that LE is tracking people on there, following them around, all that...yet I've yet to hear of even *one* likely bust because of LE tracking online movements.
Somewhere, reality has to come into play. They only have so much money and resources, and I doubt very seriously there is a room full of computer savvy LE geeks, acting like Jack Bauer's crew on '24.' More likely is occasionally some idiot will talk too much, and the cops will catch him with some product, realize he really has nobody he can rat on, so he'll get busted.
Like anybody, I worry at times, but I've never been a consipiracy theorist--too much like religion, for my taste--and try to deal with the world as I find it, which depends more on plain old 'good luck' than anything else...
Time, of course, will tell...
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Who knows. We have all kinds of different attitudes and beliefs on here, ranging from total paranoi-- they are spending tons of money just to watch *me!*--to not giving a shit.
I agree, I think a reasonable attitude would be somewhere in the middle, not too paranoid and not too 'I don't care' :)
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No idea what you're talking about.
~B
Haha that would have been so much easier! I took the bait again!
lmao ;D
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Obviously they're aware of the Silk Road and are keeping tabs on it, but what about here?
What is this Silk Road you speak of?
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Obviously they're aware of the Silk Road and are keeping tabs on it, but what about here?
What is this Silk Road you speak of?
It is a Road made of Silk, that we pay Bitcoins for pieces of - to wipe our asses with. Nothing like it in the world...
Shhhhhhhhhhh
~B
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I'm sure the DEA, FBI, and any other LE agency that would be concerned is watching/monitoring these forums and Silk Road. It's really not a big deal. Don't go posting your address, phone number, etc. And use a pseudonym that you don't use on regular internet.
Shit, "OpticalInfinity" is a pseudonym I completely made up when I joined Silk Road, and I only use it on Tor networks. It would be pretty easy to link a person if they used the same username on regular internet.
TL;DR: just don't be stupid.
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Obviously they're aware of the Silk Road and are keeping tabs on it, but what about here?
What is this Silk Road you speak of?
It is a Road made of Silk, that we pay Bitcoins for pieces of - to wipe our asses with. Nothing like it in the world...
Shhhhhhhhhhh
~B
Yeah i would agree with that, those 5 ply sheets of quality woven silk make taking a dump most worthwhile!! :)
I have given up with the mania and chronic axniety's and thought disorder patters associated with the whole "am i being watched" procedure... I know for a fact that i was being monitored some time ago, had my house tapped with an audio feed (uhf/vhf) etc (confirmed via sweep), when they realized i was nothing more than a perso using fiend, they had moved on... People like me/us are not worth their resources and time that could be better used catching a real crims...
If you know your doing something wrong, it's only natural for everyone taking these risks to experience paranoid thoughts etc...
I conclude to start shitting bricks when i actually have to answer to someone :)
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+1 !
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To all DEA, FBI, NSA, DHS, and LE - watching:
http://tinyurl.com/2stg9p
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Shhh they're behind you!!!!
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To all DEA, FBI, NSA, DHS, and LE - watching:
http://tinyurl.com/2stg9p
Now thats what I'm talking about! NIce work!
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Imagine someone offered you a job buying drugs on SR and posting to the forum 8 hours a day working with their money. (and getting paid for it) This undercover agent would be highly knowledgable about routes of administration, local trends, prices etc. They would discuss their many purchases, and give the impression they were a big fish with plenty of disposable income who wasn't too worried about losing a dollar here or there. Slowly but surely they would gain the trust of forum members through their consistent and voluminous postings. They would be confidant, sociable and act like a leading authority on drugs and their use. They would eventually gain the trust of the community, and have a rock solid reputation. Once reputation was established they would elicit certain behaviors through PM, in an effort to gain privileged information. Then a sting would go down, probably on multiple sellers simultaneously. They'd probably want to establish criminal conspiracy as well as trafficking. It's social engineering, and spys have been using it since the beginning of time.
If this is done correctly, people will say "I never would have suspected it was him"
Trust no one.
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I heard of one horror story on opiophile where this girl just finished her 2 year sentence. (she got off easy) LE set up a site on tor, it was totally ran by them and on another, they were just trusted members. And she said the exact same thing. IT totally blew her away when she found out they were LE. She really thought that they were her friends. They spent about 6 months of doing business, etc then one day, they lowered the boom. Got a lot of people.
The big difference with what she was doing is that she was sending and receiving cash either to her door or through WU. So, she let her guard down. Had she not let it down, she probably wouldn't have gotten busted.
Don't ever feel comfortable or safe with ANYONE!!! Keep your guard up.
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I heard of one horror story on opiophile where this girl just finished her 2 year sentence. (she got off easy) LE set up a site on tor, it was totally ran by them and on another, they were just trusted members. And she said the exact same thing. IT totally blew her away when she found out they were LE. She really thought that they were her friends. They spent about 6 months of doing business, etc then one day, they lowered the boom. Got a lot of people.
FBI set up a site that was not on Tor. Everyone who was part of private forums called it out as a federal honey pot from the day it opened, because nobody knew the group of people who ran it and their cover story was that they came from a mixed martial arts forum that had a drug section and just so happened to decide to branch out into the dedicated drug forum scene out of the blue. They encouraged people to not use Tor, and said it was for scammers to hide themselves. Then they blocked Tor because they claimed it was being used to DDOS the server. For the forums entire lifespan it was called a federal forum. We called them Drug Zone Feds, instead of Drug Zone Forum. Their admins name was LEOnidas.
The girl who got busted used no security at all. She gave customers her phone number. She got payment to a donation site for some relative of hers with a medical disorder, when she wasn't taking cash in the mail or western union. She was probably the least secure person to ever sell drugs online. If the DZF sting is the best the cock suckers at the FBI have, then I seriously feel a mixture of relief in knowing that they are never going to be able to bust me and a strange sense of fear in thinking of how easy it must be for seriously bad people to run circles around them.
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And it really couldn't have blown her away that they were LE considering multiple people told her as much. Way to go FBI you tricked some poor dumb/naive girl into thinking you were her friends and then fucked her life. This is the reason why I will cheer when you faggots are thrown against walls and shot. The day is coming, don't have any doubt at all. Someday you will face justice for the evil that you do. And there will not be peace for you even after your failed war comes to an end, just as there was no peace for the Nazi's after world war II you will be tracked down and rightfully killed if you participated in this oppression. I suggest you read up on the Nuremberg trials so you can see just how well "just doing my job" works as an excuse for sociopathic fascism.
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Was it desaree or dez who got busted?
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Im glad someone knows more about the story other than the girl that told it. She made it sound as if they were really covert, etc. it sounds like she was pretty stupid on the way she handled business.
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Anyone who has been around this scene for a long time has heard these stories (damn Chr0nic, you pulled that name out of the past, huh? ;) ) and only a few of them, like the Leonidas one, are actually true.
What is true almost 100% of the time is that the reason people get caught is "human error" (which when I do it I call it "a big fucking mistake").
If people maintain their anonymity on SR and don't get sloppy or reveal personal details, they should be fine. IMHO. :)
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Imagine someone offered you a job buying drugs on SR and posting to the forum 8 hours a day working with their money. (and getting paid for it) This undercover agent would be highly knowledgable about routes of administration, local trends, prices etc. They would discuss their many purchases, and give the impression they were a big fish with plenty of disposable income who wasn't too worried about losing a dollar here or there. Slowly but surely they would gain the trust of forum members through their consistent and voluminous postings. They would be confidant, sociable and act like a leading authority on drugs and their use. They would eventually gain the trust of the community, and have a rock solid reputation. Once reputation was established they would elicit certain behaviors through PM, in an effort to gain privileged information. Then a sting would go down, probably on multiple sellers simultaneously. They'd probably want to establish criminal conspiracy as well as trafficking. It's social engineering, and spys have been using it since the beginning of time.
If this is done correctly, people will say "I never would have suspected it was him"
Trust no one.
SHHHHH!!!! >:\
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Obviously they're aware of the Silk Road and are keeping tabs on it, but what about here?
...only DEA would ask that question.....are you....nah jk lol!
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Imagine someone offered you a job buying drugs on SR and posting to the forum 8 hours a day working with their money. (and getting paid for it) This undercover agent would be highly knowledgable about routes of administration, local trends, prices etc. They would discuss their many purchases, and give the impression they were a big fish with plenty of disposable income who wasn't too worried about losing a dollar here or there. Slowly but surely they would gain the trust of forum members through their consistent and voluminous postings. They would be confidant, sociable and act like a leading authority on drugs and their use. They would eventually gain the trust of the community, and have a rock solid reputation. Once reputation was established they would elicit certain behaviors through PM, in an effort to gain privileged information. Then a sting would go down, probably on multiple sellers simultaneously. They'd probably want to establish criminal conspiracy as well as trafficking. It's social engineering, and spys have been using it since the beginning of time.
If this is done correctly, people will say "I never would have suspected it was him"
Trust no one.
SHHHHH!!!! >:\
Watch it Univac. We see what you did there
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Imagine you decided to sell drugs on a public drug forum. You spend 8 hours a day answered pm's and packing orders. You like to get high before you go online because it makes the busy work of answering the messages seem like more fun. Time flies, you're doing great! You ship a lot of orders, your customers like the product, feedback is all positive. You start to plan your retirement to Cabo and start buying your super hot model gf jewelry so she'll be amenable to moving with you to a third world country. You do more drugs, live virtually 24/7 in the ether, shipping all day and answering messages all night. You are a budding kingpin. Little by little though, you get sloppy. You stop wearing gloves when handling product or packages. You tell a lot of your friends who come over to party how much money you are making on the Internet. You sell off your excess product to "friends of friends" who stop by occasionally. You sell your BTC to people on Ebay using your real name. You leave fingerprints, personal information, and tracks all over the Internet and real life.
If you do this correctly, everyone will say "damn, he had good product, but what an idiot!".
Don't get high on your own supply. Protect your precious life from your own destructive tendencies.
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Anyone who has been around this scene for a long time has heard these stories (damn Chr0nic, you pulled that name out of the past, huh? ;) ) and only a few of them, like the Leonidas one, are actually true.
What is true almost 100% of the time is that the reason people get caught is "human error" (which when I do it I call it "a big fucking mistake").
If people maintain their anonymity on SR and don't get sloppy or reveal personal details, they should be fine. IMHO. :)
No, everything I said is 100% true. DZF staff were always against Tor and they blocked it entirely on multiple occasions, giving obviously bullshit reasons both times. Des did everything I said she did. What exactly isn't true about what I said? Sorry, but like many others in the scene during that time I saw the entire DZF operation play out and the only people who thought they were legit were noobs and retards. So many people were calling them feds, even the fucking scammers were calling them feds. Only the dumbasses who joined scene during DZF thought it was legit, and they sure as hell were not going to be convinced otherwise.
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Anyone who has been around this scene for a long time has heard these stories (damn Chr0nic, you pulled that name out of the past, huh? ;) ) and only a few of them, like the Leonidas one, are actually true.
What is true almost 100% of the time is that the reason people get caught is "human error" (which when I do it I call it "a big fucking mistake").
If people maintain their anonymity on SR and don't get sloppy or reveal personal details, they should be fine. IMHO. :)
No, everything I said is 100% true. DZF staff were always against Tor and they blocked it entirely on multiple occasions, giving obviously bullshit reasons both times. Des did everything I said she did. What exactly isn't true about what I said? Sorry, but like many others in the scene during that time I saw the entire DZF operation play out and the only people who thought they were legit were noobs and retards. So many people were calling them feds, even the fucking scammers were calling them feds. Only the dumbasses who joined scene during DZF thought it was legit, and they sure as hell were not going to be convinced otherwise.
Huh? Maybe my wording is just lousy. That's not what I was saying or meant at all. I *agree* with your posting, Gorilla. 100%. :)
I just prodded ch50n1c because that name is a real blast from the past, at least to me. Sorry if I was obfuscatory. Not my intent at all.
cheers.
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Watch it Univac. We see what you did there
btc:
I'm encouraging skepticism. You're promoting blind faith. What's your motivation? No friends in the real world?
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Watch it Univac. We see what you did there
btc:
I'm encouraging skepticism. You're promoting blind faith. What's your motivation? No friends in the real world?
Univac, u mad. Your personal attacks are not welcomed, and I'm not sure what your intent is here. Do not attempt to ruffle feathers or make waves.
The result will be opposite of your expectations.
Your e-opinions are a bit pervasive to this community, and frankly I think you are a negative contribution to the forum.
We need to discuss whatever bullshit you started with this thread, and my motivation is to shut up the hype.
My goal = 1,000,000 feet in perspective - above yours. Just stop now while you think you're ahead.
I have a great scope of this situation and you have none. It's clear after pissing off our mod, that your manpussy is weeping.
What if I purchased from Illy and am covering it up? Does that change your outlook?
I'm promoting nothing but safety for our Market community.
You are just an asshatting troll. I will now stop the feeding.
peace and love to everyone who cares about making this place right.
Nomad feel free to bitch slap me if I'm out of line, but this cunting needs to stop.
~B
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Keep it civil guys...
Staying Anonymous is the game here. :D
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Univac, u mad. Your personal attacks are not welcomed, and I'm not sure what your intent is here. Do not attempt to ruffle feathers or make waves.
The result will be opposite of your expectations.
Your e-opinions are a bit pervasive to this community, and frankly I think you are a negative contribution to the forum.
We need to discuss whatever bullshit you started with this thread, and my motivation is to shut up the hype.
My goal = 1,000,000 feet in perspective - above yours. Just stop now while you think you're ahead.
I have a great scope of this situation and you have none. It's clear after pissing off our mod, that your manpussy is weeping.
What if I purchased from Illy and am covering it up? Does that change your outlook?
I'm promoting nothing but safety for our Market community.
You are just an asshatting troll. I will now stop the feeding.
peace and love to everyone who cares about making this place right.
Nomad feel free to bitch slap me if I'm out of line, but this cunting needs to stop.
BTCfreedom: A misogynist and a homophobe?
With sincerest respect, please limit the verbosity of your posts. You've already given up enough material for a meaningful forensic analysis of your linguistics/stylistics. I shudder to think what will happen when your ability to remain silent is the only thing protecting us from your self-incriminating statements. Just keep it succinct and meaningful, there's no need to boast, insult, speculate or promote. Is that such bad advice?
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*pops some popcorn* and *rolls another spliff*
I think I'll just kick off my shoes and watch how this little psycho-drama unfolds.
- Bit
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Dess was a great vendor with a great business sense. i would call her a friend even. She was such a good person. Fuck the FBI for doing that to her. She did nothing to deserve that shit. Yeah she was sloppy but she was naive and didn't really know what she was getting herself into. We all tried to help her but at that point it was too late.
On the note of DZF being a fed forum and blocking tor... Guess what clearnet forum is blocking tor these days? LHG. I sure hope you all are staying far away from that place...
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Always assume LE is reading everything you type, everywhere you type it.
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RATM
...know your enemy.
"what? the land of the free? whoever told you that, is your enemy!"
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I am 99 percent sure that LEO tried to contact me. He wanted to meet face to face or do a dead drop. He didnt trust bitcoins, He thought I lived in his area. Which I don't. Sellers, keep your game face on at all times. I only responded by saying that i dont live there.
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+1 chronicpain. Thanks for the update. Throw um off. "Dave's not here, man." Lmao!! I don't live in that area either. LE just needs to go home!
I have had a few email requests recently. I don't reply usually. Asking specific packaging questions. People not trusting BTC or having trouble getting them to SR and wanting to wire the cash. VERY suspicious to me. And I am not falling for those tricks.
A thread about questionable buyers/sellers... Hmmm... Somebody should start one of those, lol.
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Some poor FBI agent has to read all of SR_Seller_Accounts troll posts.
(Not that SRSA doesn't have valuable information, but he does seem to piss off some of his interlocutors)